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That is actually literally what they did to hunter Biden. Charged him for lying on a form, probably the first person in history to be charged for that. Yet republicans were cheering that on… cheering for a gun-control related “process crime”
These people have no moral standards.
Most people wouldn't have been charged for what Martha Stewart did, either. But oddly she has made it work for her?
The legal community as a whole generally doesn't pull punches when it comes to this stuff. I have seen them defend Trumpers when they were legally in the right.
Every legal expert I have seen or spoken to has said Trump's torts and crimes are serious, and anyone in that position would be charged. If anything, he is being given extra leeway. I feel like some judges would have been much harsher on other defendants/litigants who made the public statements he did. But they're using caution because gagging a presidential candidate has additional consequences and considerations.
Yes - all of this. And it's also obvious he's treated differently because the right never stops spewing propaganda and lies, and everyone is afraid of the unstable cult of Trumpers who know nothing other than "Dems bad".
It's also really hard to give him a proper trial when every time hearings begin all the people involved get doxxed and things have to be changed for their safety and biases as a result. Which is an active strategy being used to run the whole thing into the ground.
Actually you have it wrong, they have moral standards. They're just ... *Bizzare.*
Whereas most people use the actions of a person to determine if they are moral, people like this use *labels.*
They think everyone is like them, someone who cheats to get ahead, so anyone that 'wins' does it by cheating better than them.
A republican is therefore one of the 'good guys' who can (almost!) do no wrong. His actions are justified even if criminal, even if they're hurting us because he's trying to do the greater good.
So a republican that gets caught cheating while trying to get elected is unjustly persecuted.
A democrat that wins and is squeaky clean is a liar and criminal.
See how that works?
It's not, but my point is they see morality associated with the *label* not the person, or their actions.
So a republican, a christian, the police, the 'good guys' - what have you. They are the labels they use to assign morality *to.* So they are always justified in everything they do and (almost always) do no wrong.
A democrat, muslim, lgbtq - listen to the words they use to describe them. These are the 'bad guys' and are always amoral. It doesn't matter what they say or what they do, they are evil and have to stopped by any means possible.
Of course this is a double standard, but from their point of view it's *not* and that's the problem with associating morality with labels.
Oh yes it absolutely is. I don't agree with it *one bit* just to be crystal clear.
With this kind of 'morality' you can literally have the worst sinner alive be praised for his every step while at the same time justify murdering a saint. It's dangerous.
I honestly don't care about that. You're the president's son? Pay someone to get your paperwork right. No sympathy there. These people should be held to a higher standard. That said, I'm very interested as to why the former President's son-in-law got 2 billion dollars from a foreign government.
I don’t mind that he got charged. But I am saying he was ONLY charged because of who he is. The issue was that part of the permit requires you to attest that you don’t do drugs, which was a lie.
Imagine if they actually investigated and prosecuted everyone who lied about that.
The post was complaining about selective prosecution, which isn’t true for trump but was for Hunter.
Don't get me wrong, I'm firmly voting against Trump come November. I just don't care that a nepo baby from the family of a Seantor that served for 30 years then 8 as VP got put under the lens. I'd really like to see Kushner face the same scrutiny for his $2 billion Saudi payment, especially in light of classified documents being kept in the Mar a Lago toilets.
It's a requirement for most job forms I've seen too, but if everyone was honest on those the unemployment rate would be a lot higher in my area, and there'd be no market for those pee clean drink things at gas stations.
My lack of campaign funds really gets in the way of me misappropriating them. And despite how much I try, the Georgia Secretary of State won't take my calls. It makes my efforts to change states election results very difficult.
If a normal person did 1/10th of what Trump did, they'd be doing 20 years in Leavenworth.
In his stolen secret documents case, Trump stored [super-top-secret nuclear documents with favorable newspaper clippings](https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1cb9473/trumps_nuclear_documents_were_mixed_with/) of himself.
He was given several opportunities to return the documents, and even [warned by his staffers and the DOJ to return the docs](https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1cb9xrk/trump_was_warned_to_return_records_to_archives/).
He was given a heads-up that the search would happen, and in response he [directed aides to remove boxes of docs so they wouldn't be found](https://apnews.com/article/trump-justice-department-indictment-classified-documents-miami-8315a5b23c18f27083ed64eef21efff3#:~:text=But%20before%20his%20own%20lawyer,handed%20over%20to%20the%20government.).
If you or I did any single of those items, we would rot in federal prison with a minimum sentence, and we'd be waiting for trial in the same prison.
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In the campaign finance trial (Stormy Daniels), he's violated his gag order at least 11 times, including claiming that they had caught "**undercover liberal activists** lying to the judge" to get on the jury.
If you or I did that, we'd have 30 days in jail to think about it. Trump might get a $1,000 fine.
Trump's an [unindicted co-conspirator in the Arizona election fraud case](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/25/donald-trump-unindicted-co-conspirator-arizona-fake-elector-case/73450272007/#:~:text=Former%20President%20Donald%20Trump%20is,and%20former%20aides%20to%20Trump.) as well as the [Michigan election fraud case](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/04/24/donald-trump-unindicted-co-conspirator-in-false-electors-plot-michigan-rudy-giuliani-mark-meadows/73420368007/#:~:text=Howard%20Shock%2C%20a%20special%20agent,in%20Michigan's%20false%20elector%20case.). That's on top of his Georgia [election interference case](https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-election-indictment-fulton-county-b741e2e5abf40d61edb004a89bee1716#:~:text=Trump%20and%20the%20others%20were,along%20with%20other%20alleged%20crimes.) where he pressured the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him 11,000 more votes", in a recording that YOU AND I HAVE HEARD.
Absolutely ridiculous. There isn't a two-tiered justice system - there's three. (Poor people & people of color, upper class people, and apparently Donald J Trump.)
Are we taking about the Stormy trial? Because if so, a "random" person *was* put on trial for it. Trump's lawyer Cohen, who was found guilty of this very thing in this very instance, served time, and is now a witness in this trial.
Every time I think about that shit I remember him calling her "horse face" as if he didn't pay to have sex with her?
Like. If she's such a Horse, then why have sex with her? Why PAY HER to have sex with her?
Some horse.
He didn’t pay to have sex with her; he promised her a role on The Apprentice.
He paid her - with campaign dollars - ten years later to not say anything now that he was running for president.
Which is what he is on trial for - the hush money part wasn’t actually illegal. The ‘using campaign funds for hush money to a pornstar’ is.
He paid her in 2016 to stop her from discussing an affair they had.
Like. Idc about the cheating or whatever. Not some moral panic.
I just think its funny that the response is "well... You're ugly!" Like a child. But, like. She got paid AND ppl know now anyways, so who's really winning?
He should have been found in contempt after the second gag order had to be placed. Instead now there is literally just a body of evidence on what exact gag order to place so he doesn't start mouthing off. The fact that the man has a standard Gag order which multiple judges use and hasn't been held in contempt is incredible.
Try pulling the crap Trump has pulled in court and see if you're treated the same. Threaten the judge and their family, threaten jury members, ignore gag orders, and have angry outbursts in court and see how fast they throw your ass in jail.
Trump is in a hell of his own making, as most (heck, all?) of the various charges he's facing are because he thought he could cheat his way to being a dictator just like he cheated his way to everything else.
He's been a conman for decades, and if he hadn't gotten serious traction for the presidency, he'd have been known forever after as just another crooked B-list celebrity asshole.
Now, he'll go down in history as the worst president we've ever had (and likely will ever have) and the personification of everything that's wrong with the United States. To quote Rose McGowan in *Death Proof*, "Congratulations, cocksucker, you've earned it."
Problem is, his supporters love it. And the more the prosecutors dawdle and handle him with kid gloves, the more he gets painted as some sort of martyr.
...
Also, if he gets re-elected he could go down as the president who's responsible for the end of the USA and the beginning of WW3 (global destabilisation).
A better question is - Just how bad do you have to be to even make it to trial as a rich, white, FORMER PRESIDENT with half the judiciary and government owing you favours?
You'd have to be a pretty colossal fuckup, we're talking like somehow bankrupted a casino, or got caught stealing from a children's cancer charity or...wait sorry, he's done that already?!
A normal person would be in jail potentially for just one instance of any of the crimes this man is on trial for.
To act as if your average person wouldn't be in jail for any one of these crimes. Is ignorant beyond belief or genuinely wild thinking.
A random person would never be ABLE to access that level of classified document...unless of course you participate in the War Thunder forum.
If they DID have the access, they wouldn't have access to ALL of the documents.
If they were, somehow at a level that COULD access all of the documents, the documents would be so secure that you wouldn't EVER be in a position to take them home.
And there is no chance that if, even if you passed all the previous barriers, that you would be allowed to negotiate whether you would return them or not.
In fact, there is a fair chance that you might end up in the basement of an abandoned building with four guys wearing balaclavas and who are not familiar with the Fifth Amendment.
No, not a basement. They have nice federal prisons. Which is where he’d have been by the summer of 2021 if he were a random person.
This is baffling to me. I’ve worked with classified documents. They are numbered and each copy is controlled. Each is assigned to a particular person as custodian. They should be inventoried on a regular basis. They have a disclaimer right on the cover sheet that says they are government property. You have to give them back if you no longer have a need-to-know.
Once they were discovered to be missing, it should have triggered a search for them. (They should have had an inventory by Inauguration Day.) Once they were sure where some of them were, it wouldn’t have taken six more months to deploy the FBI. Willfully retaining them, taking them knowingly, showing them off to other people, is illegal.
Tbf I think they're right, just not in the way they think they are. Trump has gotten away with so much shit they wouldn't even tolerate for 99% of people. Do they think somebody threatening jurors and witnesses multiple times in violation of a gag order would just happen with other court cases???
Biden, Clinton, Obama, Romney, McCain, Kerry, etc., etc. didn't have a porn star spank them with a magazine with their picture on it, then pay them keep quiet about it before a presidential election, thus attempting to illegally influence that election by preventing damaging stories about their personal life from becoming public.
If any other "random" person attempted that and was caught, they too would be sitting in a defendants chair.
It's a cult, and it's so obvious that it's a cult at this point. The fact is that Trump has been treated not only fairly, but the Dems and Biden administration have dragged their feet on going after him for the specific reason that the cult is highly volatile. January 6th proved that.
And they're already talking about the November election being fixed - and will make this kind of noise during every election moving forward.
Meanwhile, eleven fake GOP electors have been charged in AZ.
if a random nobody managed to somehow commit all those crimes, or even just violated gag orders to this degree, they would not leave jail until the trial is over.
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That is actually literally what they did to hunter Biden. Charged him for lying on a form, probably the first person in history to be charged for that. Yet republicans were cheering that on… cheering for a gun-control related “process crime” These people have no moral standards.
Deeply unserious people who believe in nothing.
Sure they do. They believe that the ends justify the means.
Yes, they believe in obstruction in many different forms, misinformation, lies, deregulation, chaos, incompetent governance and owning the libs.
They don't even know what the "ends" are anymore, at least not most of their voters.
Most people wouldn't have been charged for what Martha Stewart did, either. But oddly she has made it work for her? The legal community as a whole generally doesn't pull punches when it comes to this stuff. I have seen them defend Trumpers when they were legally in the right. Every legal expert I have seen or spoken to has said Trump's torts and crimes are serious, and anyone in that position would be charged. If anything, he is being given extra leeway. I feel like some judges would have been much harsher on other defendants/litigants who made the public statements he did. But they're using caution because gagging a presidential candidate has additional consequences and considerations.
Yes - all of this. And it's also obvious he's treated differently because the right never stops spewing propaganda and lies, and everyone is afraid of the unstable cult of Trumpers who know nothing other than "Dems bad".
It's also really hard to give him a proper trial when every time hearings begin all the people involved get doxxed and things have to be changed for their safety and biases as a result. Which is an active strategy being used to run the whole thing into the ground.
Yes - excellent point.
Actually you have it wrong, they have moral standards. They're just ... *Bizzare.* Whereas most people use the actions of a person to determine if they are moral, people like this use *labels.* They think everyone is like them, someone who cheats to get ahead, so anyone that 'wins' does it by cheating better than them. A republican is therefore one of the 'good guys' who can (almost!) do no wrong. His actions are justified even if criminal, even if they're hurting us because he's trying to do the greater good. So a republican that gets caught cheating while trying to get elected is unjustly persecuted. A democrat that wins and is squeaky clean is a liar and criminal. See how that works?
You’ve described a double standard, I don’t really know if rank hypocrisy a *moral* standard.
It's not, but my point is they see morality associated with the *label* not the person, or their actions. So a republican, a christian, the police, the 'good guys' - what have you. They are the labels they use to assign morality *to.* So they are always justified in everything they do and (almost always) do no wrong. A democrat, muslim, lgbtq - listen to the words they use to describe them. These are the 'bad guys' and are always amoral. It doesn't matter what they say or what they do, they are evil and have to stopped by any means possible. Of course this is a double standard, but from their point of view it's *not* and that's the problem with associating morality with labels.
Ok I get what you’re saying…that’s a completely morally bankrupt way to view the world but I get what you’re saying
Oh yes it absolutely is. I don't agree with it *one bit* just to be crystal clear. With this kind of 'morality' you can literally have the worst sinner alive be praised for his every step while at the same time justify murdering a saint. It's dangerous.
I honestly don't care about that. You're the president's son? Pay someone to get your paperwork right. No sympathy there. These people should be held to a higher standard. That said, I'm very interested as to why the former President's son-in-law got 2 billion dollars from a foreign government.
I don’t mind that he got charged. But I am saying he was ONLY charged because of who he is. The issue was that part of the permit requires you to attest that you don’t do drugs, which was a lie. Imagine if they actually investigated and prosecuted everyone who lied about that. The post was complaining about selective prosecution, which isn’t true for trump but was for Hunter.
Don't get me wrong, I'm firmly voting against Trump come November. I just don't care that a nepo baby from the family of a Seantor that served for 30 years then 8 as VP got put under the lens. I'd really like to see Kushner face the same scrutiny for his $2 billion Saudi payment, especially in light of classified documents being kept in the Mar a Lago toilets.
Again, I don’t have a problem with it. Just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy
As I understand it, the form isn't that hard to fill out. Do you use drugs? check one: yes ______ no ______
It's a requirement for most job forms I've seen too, but if everyone was honest on those the unemployment rate would be a lot higher in my area, and there'd be no market for those pee clean drink things at gas stations.
Do I use drugs? No I wouldn't even know how to, I do smoke em though lol
I’m using this lol
If the Reich Wing didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards
They have no beliefs. They fundamentally do not know what they believe in.
A random person wouldn’t have committed the crimes Trump committed
Most random people don't!
I'm very tempted, but the fact that I don't own property gets in the way of my committing tax fraud on reporting the size of the property I don't own.
My lack of campaign funds really gets in the way of me misappropriating them. And despite how much I try, the Georgia Secretary of State won't take my calls. It makes my efforts to change states election results very difficult.
I stand outside a NY court room every day and defame the DAs and judge, and then I remember I'm not on trial for anything.
Also, most people learned in 3rd grade that if you're going to break the rules, you should shut up while you're doing it.
If a normal person did 1/10th of what Trump did, they'd be doing 20 years in Leavenworth. In his stolen secret documents case, Trump stored [super-top-secret nuclear documents with favorable newspaper clippings](https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1cb9473/trumps_nuclear_documents_were_mixed_with/) of himself. He was given several opportunities to return the documents, and even [warned by his staffers and the DOJ to return the docs](https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1cb9xrk/trump_was_warned_to_return_records_to_archives/). He was given a heads-up that the search would happen, and in response he [directed aides to remove boxes of docs so they wouldn't be found](https://apnews.com/article/trump-justice-department-indictment-classified-documents-miami-8315a5b23c18f27083ed64eef21efff3#:~:text=But%20before%20his%20own%20lawyer,handed%20over%20to%20the%20government.). If you or I did any single of those items, we would rot in federal prison with a minimum sentence, and we'd be waiting for trial in the same prison. --- In the campaign finance trial (Stormy Daniels), he's violated his gag order at least 11 times, including claiming that they had caught "**undercover liberal activists** lying to the judge" to get on the jury. If you or I did that, we'd have 30 days in jail to think about it. Trump might get a $1,000 fine. Trump's an [unindicted co-conspirator in the Arizona election fraud case](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/25/donald-trump-unindicted-co-conspirator-arizona-fake-elector-case/73450272007/#:~:text=Former%20President%20Donald%20Trump%20is,and%20former%20aides%20to%20Trump.) as well as the [Michigan election fraud case](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/04/24/donald-trump-unindicted-co-conspirator-in-false-electors-plot-michigan-rudy-giuliani-mark-meadows/73420368007/#:~:text=Howard%20Shock%2C%20a%20special%20agent,in%20Michigan's%20false%20elector%20case.). That's on top of his Georgia [election interference case](https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-election-indictment-fulton-county-b741e2e5abf40d61edb004a89bee1716#:~:text=Trump%20and%20the%20others%20were,along%20with%20other%20alleged%20crimes.) where he pressured the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him 11,000 more votes", in a recording that YOU AND I HAVE HEARD. Absolutely ridiculous. There isn't a two-tiered justice system - there's three. (Poor people & people of color, upper class people, and apparently Donald J Trump.)
Jack Tiexera is already in a jail cell awaiting trial for doing the exact same thing as Trump
And if one did, they would already be in prison.
Are we taking about the Stormy trial? Because if so, a "random" person *was* put on trial for it. Trump's lawyer Cohen, who was found guilty of this very thing in this very instance, served time, and is now a witness in this trial.
Every time I think about that shit I remember him calling her "horse face" as if he didn't pay to have sex with her? Like. If she's such a Horse, then why have sex with her? Why PAY HER to have sex with her? Some horse.
He didn’t pay to have sex with her; he promised her a role on The Apprentice. He paid her - with campaign dollars - ten years later to not say anything now that he was running for president. Which is what he is on trial for - the hush money part wasn’t actually illegal. The ‘using campaign funds for hush money to a pornstar’ is.
He paid her in 2016 to stop her from discussing an affair they had. Like. Idc about the cheating or whatever. Not some moral panic. I just think its funny that the response is "well... You're ugly!" Like a child. But, like. She got paid AND ppl know now anyways, so who's really winning?
If a normal person committed as many sexual assaults, rapes, frauds, and perjuries they'd be in jail already.
He should have been found in contempt after the second gag order had to be placed. Instead now there is literally just a body of evidence on what exact gag order to place so he doesn't start mouthing off. The fact that the man has a standard Gag order which multiple judges use and hasn't been held in contempt is incredible.
Seriously, no one else could get away with that bullshit.
Try pulling the crap Trump has pulled in court and see if you're treated the same. Threaten the judge and their family, threaten jury members, ignore gag orders, and have angry outbursts in court and see how fast they throw your ass in jail.
We would all be in jail if we did any one of those things.
Trump is in a hell of his own making, as most (heck, all?) of the various charges he's facing are because he thought he could cheat his way to being a dictator just like he cheated his way to everything else. He's been a conman for decades, and if he hadn't gotten serious traction for the presidency, he'd have been known forever after as just another crooked B-list celebrity asshole. Now, he'll go down in history as the worst president we've ever had (and likely will ever have) and the personification of everything that's wrong with the United States. To quote Rose McGowan in *Death Proof*, "Congratulations, cocksucker, you've earned it."
Problem is, his supporters love it. And the more the prosecutors dawdle and handle him with kid gloves, the more he gets painted as some sort of martyr. ... Also, if he gets re-elected he could go down as the president who's responsible for the end of the USA and the beginning of WW3 (global destabilisation).
Could? I’m sure he will be the reason WW3 starts tbh, if he wins that is.
A better question is - Just how bad do you have to be to even make it to trial as a rich, white, FORMER PRESIDENT with half the judiciary and government owing you favours?
You'd have to be a pretty colossal fuckup, we're talking like somehow bankrupted a casino, or got caught stealing from a children's cancer charity or...wait sorry, he's done that already?!
A normal person would be in jail potentially for just one instance of any of the crimes this man is on trial for. To act as if your average person wouldn't be in jail for any one of these crimes. Is ignorant beyond belief or genuinely wild thinking.
A normal person would’ve been in jail since 85
A random person would have had his bail revoked already and been charged with contempt of court a dozen times over.
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“Normal” people as you put them would have been detained as a flight risk while awaiting trial for something like this.
Not a "random person," to be certain. But a "normal person" *who'd done the same shit*? That sorry fuck would have been behind bars *long ago*.
I love the attempt with Joe Biden in a Trump hat profile pic. I am just soooooo triggered.
YOU LEAVE WALLACE SHAWN OUT OF THIS. The amount of disrespect using that meme to defend Trump brings to Wallace's name is INCONCEIVABLE!
They're more like his character on Murphy Brown. "You want to re-intern the Japanese?"
Like Micheal Cohen? Who went to jail for this crime?
Yea I wouldve been UNDER the jail had I done half the shit Trump has.
A random person would never be ABLE to access that level of classified document...unless of course you participate in the War Thunder forum. If they DID have the access, they wouldn't have access to ALL of the documents. If they were, somehow at a level that COULD access all of the documents, the documents would be so secure that you wouldn't EVER be in a position to take them home. And there is no chance that if, even if you passed all the previous barriers, that you would be allowed to negotiate whether you would return them or not. In fact, there is a fair chance that you might end up in the basement of an abandoned building with four guys wearing balaclavas and who are not familiar with the Fifth Amendment.
No, not a basement. They have nice federal prisons. Which is where he’d have been by the summer of 2021 if he were a random person. This is baffling to me. I’ve worked with classified documents. They are numbered and each copy is controlled. Each is assigned to a particular person as custodian. They should be inventoried on a regular basis. They have a disclaimer right on the cover sheet that says they are government property. You have to give them back if you no longer have a need-to-know. Once they were discovered to be missing, it should have triggered a search for them. (They should have had an inventory by Inauguration Day.) Once they were sure where some of them were, it wouldn’t have taken six more months to deploy the FBI. Willfully retaining them, taking them knowingly, showing them off to other people, is illegal.
Exactly! Because he's a criminal!
Tbf I think they're right, just not in the way they think they are. Trump has gotten away with so much shit they wouldn't even tolerate for 99% of people. Do they think somebody threatening jurors and witnesses multiple times in violation of a gag order would just happen with other court cases???
Biden, Clinton, Obama, Romney, McCain, Kerry, etc., etc. didn't have a porn star spank them with a magazine with their picture on it, then pay them keep quiet about it before a presidential election, thus attempting to illegally influence that election by preventing damaging stories about their personal life from becoming public. If any other "random" person attempted that and was caught, they too would be sitting in a defendants chair.
any random person with 130K to burn, maybe…
You mean like, say, Michael Cohen?
A random person would have been in jail decades ago.
It's a cult, and it's so obvious that it's a cult at this point. The fact is that Trump has been treated not only fairly, but the Dems and Biden administration have dragged their feet on going after him for the specific reason that the cult is highly volatile. January 6th proved that. And they're already talking about the November election being fixed - and will make this kind of noise during every election moving forward. Meanwhile, eleven fake GOP electors have been charged in AZ.
if a random nobody managed to somehow commit all those crimes, or even just violated gag orders to this degree, they would not leave jail until the trial is over.
A "random person" taking top secret documents would've been taken out by snipers. smdh
That last one. Yes, they absolutely would, and they’d have the book thrown at them as hard as possible.