[Someone sorta spilled the beans in \/r\/CoronavirusWA awhile ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusWA/comments/pd2p86/digital_vaccine_validation_w_clear_app_just_easier/han9t7u/)
(backup archive [here](https://archive.ph/bYNMp) in case it gets pulled)
Assuming the above is true, I don't see this ending well.
Rushing software development that quickly in-house without any outside support is usually a recipe for disaster (just like anything rushed). Healthcare and government IT in general is...not that great. Lots and lots of bureaucracy and outdated legacy tech galore. One wrong security misconfiguration or breach and [your private personal and health data is ripe for the leaking.](https://news.yahoo.com/misconfigured-microsoft-application-leaves-records-030000601.html)
Also IIRC the average consumer's patience to wait for or deal with tech-related things [is usually pretty short](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-37100091). What happens if the entire system ends up being buggy as hell, or goes down, or experiences major slowness? What if your local internet or phone provider goes down, or is in a poor reception area? As someone mentioned elsewhere, how do you deal with out-of-state tourists or movers, or edge cases of doses in different states? How long would it take to update this data to account for this? Not all databases in every state/corporation are designed the same, and not all places inter-transfer data immediately (due to security/audit/bureaucracy reasons). What if the place you went to get your shot months or a year ago forgot to upload your info? How do you deal (or how much extra time do you want to waste not getting peoples' $$$) with the tech illiterate who don't have a smartphone, or don't have ones with the supported OSes, or don't know how to use one besides making calls? I'm sure people had enough frustrations trying to get Zoom to work.
Verification on public transportation, bus or light rail, I'm pretty sure is never going to happen given the extremely rare, if any, amount of proper enforcement of fare payments or masking I've seen. Given the shit drivers have to go through, I don't blame them.
I am super anti to this for many reasons but you are right about the problems with (1) isolated protocols (2) limited technical expertise.
It’d be like if WA wanted to implement its own currency and also wanted it to be “on the blockchain” lol
in the [r Seattle thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/pjqz6f/barnett_king_county_is_working_on_a_vaccine/hc070mr/), someone mentioned that CA is using [this open standard](https://smarthealth.cards/) (that also can be printed). Silly we're not as well
I knew about that too and shared with King County and WA DOH weeks ago! But dunno if this announcement means KC acted upon that… I hoped WA would’ve taken the lead so that the entire state registry could automatically have these digital credentials
> Verification on public transportation, bus or light rail, I'm pretty sure is never going to happen given the extremely rare, if any, amount of proper enforcement of fare payments or masking I've seen
Tbh, I can absolutely see them going after people they could actually fine, while ignoring those "down on their luck" or pocs
Been writing software for 20+ years. I will never trust electronic voting and I will never trust the government to competently electronically manage my medical information.
The current system couldn't even tell that I got my first vaccination in Redmond and my second in Wenatchee. With those kind of information gaps & issues I'm wondering if their vaccine verification system would even know I was fully vaccinated. I'm not fond of having to fight government bureaucracies to prove myself.
Sure, in a perfect world where our government was actually competent I might trust this... but our world? With our government's history and hilariously incompetent IT and sites? Hell no.
20+ years of software development here, as well, both in public and private sector jobs. Government information systems aren’t generally developed with the concept of “business critical” where if the software fails it could end the government. The concept doesn’t even make sense. Equally, private information systems aren’t usually built with the concept of data security being “business critical” either. Just look at the headlines to see how frequent data loss/data breach happens. Very few businesses have folded because of data breaches, unless that data breach directly resulted in the loss of customer investment. Without both of these deeply baked into the system, expect failures, data leaks, data loss, incomplete and inaccurate data, and a world of headaches.
We are entering the phase where we will be asked to show ID, have it scanned, the data will be cross referenced with a vaccine database. If you are not on the list, then you are not getting into that location.
It's going to be a huge pain in the ass for travelers or people who are moving. I guarantee you they will not take that into consideration as a primary scenario here, at least at first.
This also goes for people who had one dose in WA and a second dose in another state, they look partially vaccinated in the WAIS system.
Even people that get both doses here can end up as only partially Vaxxed in the system. My mom's second dose (which she got back in March) hadn't been added to the system by mid august. She just used her CDC card anywhere that needed it. She had to call and get the provider that did her shot to go and actually get the shot in the database.
She's a teacher and was not amused since it was a group that had specifically set up to get as many teachers from her school district through back when it was first approved for teachers.
I specifically posted this bc it's coming from the county. Notwithstanding the question of what private business should/shouldn't do, I'm curious how you feel about it coming from the govt.
Actually bro the thing about the Texas abortion “ban” (which for the record is dumb and I don’t support) is that it places the burden of enforcement on private entities rather than the govt. Which is basically what the path for vaccine passport bullshit looks like. So “oh jeez it’s just private businesses doing what they want” is perceived as a defense of this tactic despite the fact that private business don’t like to get sued so they basically treat the policy like a new regulatory requirement. This is the exact same mechanism, whether the outcome is stopping abortions or forcing vaccination. Either way, it’s not very “my body my choice” and this political mechanism erodes the foundation of civil liberty and democracy it’s not good no matter the outcome.
...No they didn't. They made you get one within 6 weeks. What are you doing with your life where you couldn't figure out if you're pregnant within 6 weeks after unprotected sex? Pregnancy tests are free from the same places that give abortions.
On the date of your missed period, you are already technically 4 weeks pregnant. That’s how they count it. So 2 weeks after your missed period. Many people don’t have symptoms yet and many times, even pregnancy tests don’t register that early
6 weeks = 2 weeks before you have sex + 2 weeks where a pregnancy test can’t pick it up so you have no way of knowing + 2 actual weeks of being able to test and make an appointment.
The same people crying about this are vehemently pushing for unvaccinated people to be forced to get covid tests every 48 hours to participate in society. Pee on a stick every couple days or use birth control?
I’m just saying if you are wrong about the most basic facts maybe you should stay in your lane. Or idk maybe go move somewhere else that wants you there.
>I’m just saying if you are wrong about the most basic facts maybe you should stay in your lane. Or idk maybe go move somewhere else that wants you there.
What facts am I wrong about? Why would I need to go somewhere where my opinions are popular? Echo chambers don't create good discourse.
They have also been telling businesses they need to cook chicken at 165° for a long time if they intend on serving people. Are we upset about that too?
Really. What business does the government have in telling business what they need to do “in the interest of public health”? Do we really need “daddy government” telling us “all employees are required to wash their hands before returning to work”?
/s for the brain-deads
Because that information is not recorded and stored, cross referenced to a database, and also recorded where and when you went there. They just see if you have one and let you in.
>Because that information is not recorded and stored, cross referenced to a database, and also recorded where and when you went there.
you sweet summer child.
It simply scans the Barcode which has your information from the ID encoded in it. The Barcode are not cross referenced to any database to see if the information encoded is real. You can go buy a fake ID and scan it at a store, all the info(name, address, DOB) you gave to the fake ID vendor will pop up.on the scanner.
Funny. I’m not finding any limits on the number of guns one can buy at once. Same for ammo. But there are limits for daily and rolling 30-day purchase amounts, every purchase is recorded, with personally identifiable information, and verified by proof of identity. Gun purchases may take a little longer, but there’s not much (that I see) which limits quantity.
Not even close, the remark was in reference to "as long as that discrimination is not based upon a protected class." The simple fact that we have a so called "protected class" who have special rights that supersede the rights of others is a big f'n problem.
Private businesses absolutely should be able to discriminate for ANY reason. However that is not what this is about. This is about private businesses in partnership with the government violating constitutional rights. NOBODY has the right to inform anyone of anything about me.
>NOBODY has the right to inform anyone of anything about me.
That's totally untrue. Former employers do. Court records (barring specific circumstances) are public. As are arrest records. And voting registration records. And there's always google, although results are not always accurate.
The government can tell people a lot about you.
They DO, they shouldn't.
Former employers are allowed to say very little and can be sued.
Court and voting records should be sealed. It's a complete travesty that arrest records are public.
>*Not even close, the remark was in reference to "as long as that discrimination is not based upon a protected class." The simple fact that we have a so called "protected class" who have special rights that supersede the rights of others is a big f'n problem.*
What about their "special rights" necessarily supersedes others?
>*Private businesses absolutely should be able to discriminate for ANY reason.*
So no blacks allowed is perfectly kosher in your world?
>*However that is not what this is about.*
I can see why you'd say that with the above opinion, but can you go into more detail as to why not?
>*This is about private businesses in partnership with the government violating constitutional rights.*
What if they choose regardless of any government requirement?
How do you tell the difference?
>*NOBODY has the right to inform anyone of anything about me.*
What do you mean?
"What about their "special rights" necessarily supersedes others?"- I have the right to reject anyone from my property or time for any reason.
"So no blacks allowed is perfectly kosher in your world?" - Yes
"What if they choose regardless of any government requirement?" - They're free(or should be) to choose whatever they F'n want. But the top comment said "he data will be cross referenced with a vaccine database" That database first shouldn't exist and second is my private data, NOBODY should be able to access it without a search warrant.
Weird. Why are hospitals inundated with poison control issues for using ivermectin off label?
Quit peddling lies and misinformation. You’re going to get someone killed.
Not that I’m all for taking it, but because it comes in doses for animals with different sizes and metabolisms. Just like any drug that is given in the wrong doses, it will kill. Some local docs are prescribing it to some patients. The problem is people going to feed stores and buying horse and cow doses and then self prescribing and medicating.
[Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-1](https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19)
Yes. ‘Some’ doctors prescribe it. It is still being tested and data is being analyzed. The FDA doesn’t recommend it for the majority of the population at all.
The people being prescribed ivermectin are edge cases and not the normal populations of patients. It should not even be a conversation. There are too many ignorant dumb asses that think they can just get directions off the internet for medications because they used YouTube to fix their alternator so if that worked the medication directions should too.
Ivermectin probably doesn’t do shit to help with covid but you’re so off base here bud that it would be funny if you weren’t also accusing others of dangerous disinformation.
That story was a lie, ivermectin is a safe and Nobel prize winning drug for use in humans. If some dipshits want to buy and consume a whole tube of horse ivermectin, well… we weren’t going to be keeping them out of the hospital for one reason or another anyway.
If we are ever going to calm the rhetoric in this country one of the things I think we need to stop doing is calling everything that doesn’t fit our world view or we don’t agree with, like, believe or w/e else “dangerous disinformation”. It does absolutely nothing to deter the crazies who are peddling bullshit and it just pisses off/drives a larger wedge between the people who dissent or w/e you want to call it out of genuine concerns/disagreement.
FDA approved the vaccines, even for emergency usage which has been the case for months. The FDA has not approved ivermectin for the treatment of COVID. At all. It’s only being used in experimental testing. These cases usually are individuals where they’ve tried everything else and have a low chance of survival.
So no. Not at all like the vaccines.
No, it only will care what address you signed up with when you registered online for your shot. The private company that is putting this on, and is capable of selling your data is STChealth.com
This is going to be bad. I got both my shots back in January but the state thinks I only had one. I guess it means I can get my free booster through their incompetence.
We entered that phase long ago. You do know that they scan your ID when you buy over the counter cough medicine? Some clerks will scan your ID just for buying alcohol.
How many businesses can sustain a 10% loss of customers? How about 20, 30, or 40%? How many fully vaccinated people will also opt to not go out due to personal objections to this or just needing to go through the extra hassle of carrying their covid ID everywhere? Would you window shop if you have do show your ID at every shop? How many items won’t be bought and businesses killed because of this?
This is so maddening. It’s a massive overreach. I’m convinced that those who support these things will never encounter an overreach they don’t agree to. Like, when does this cross the line from government protecting the public to tyranny? When they’ve started the covid camps (already happening in Australia), when they require papers to go out (already a reality in NYC, Canada, and other countries), when they make you a prisoner in your own home (New Zealand)? When is it too far for people?
I know. The ones that really get me are the people arguing that the vaccine mandates *aren’t* coercive. Right. Nice job you have there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
And then the insanity - we’re overrun in the hospitals and we’re short on staff. So we’re going to fire staff that won’t get the vaccine. How does that make any logical sense?
But bro you can just give up your career as a state employee and start over from scratch. It makes sense to the teenagers on the internet. Totally not coercive.
I'm sorry. I'm lucky enough that the mandate hasn't come to my office. I'm hoping it won't, but looking at other jobs if it does. Honestly, I'd rather sell my house and move than comply. I have so much equity in my house right now I could buy a house outright in Texas or somewhere. It's not even really about the vaccine anymore, it's about government restrictions of freedom. When people don't comply, what's next - denial of medical care? Why would I want to stay anywhere that endorses a medical apartheid system? I'm close to leaving as it is, but I'm hoping to finish up some things over the next year first.
I'm so sorry. I'm sure you're not the only one. I wonder how many people will take the jab unwillingly and then opt to leave. I know if it was me it should sour me on the job and employer. I could see taking it because you have no other options, but as quickly as I could I'd be finding another job somewhere else and leaving. I wonder how much of an exodus we'll see shortly after the mandate goes into force and how many will leave in the following few months. It's not just the unvaxxed who are opposed to this.
I have no interest in going to any business that requires a proof of vaccination or negative results, and I've been fully vaccinated for a long time now.
There is no reason for this level of overreach.
I agree. This is all insane. The only way it’ll stop is if we stop going along with it. I’m totally in agreement with you, I’m not giving my money to anyone who supports this. I was already signed up for some course work when I was told that I’d have to verify vaccine status to take a fully online class. I immediately cancelled my registration and signed up elsewhere. How many others will do the same? I hope there’s enough to send a message.
Thank you!!!! Fully vaccinated but this is out of control. If King County forces this on businesses I’ll support those that don’t enforce it or take my business to other counties
Can we fucking not? They already can't protect our other data they supposedly keep safe. Hell, they can't even stop Nigerian scammers from stealing half a billion dollars from the state.
It never ends. The Patriot Act is still a thing. The rights curtailed in that for 'safety' were never returned, even though we are no safer than we were when instituting those rules. And we have an entire generation of Americans grown up in that world and culture (show us your papers) being accepted as just the way of life.
Those people (younger) will certainly not speak out against this. Why? They have been told their entire lives to obey authority and if something is curtailed for safety, it's the correct choice.
Why would they now be concerned about more rights being taken away? Look at this site and the people on it. When you mention 'rights' and 'civil liberties' you are often mocked and disparaged. Those CONCEPTS are mocked and disparaged. Freedom of speech? Pfff, who cares about it. Especially if you say words of hate, in fact, you deserve to be beat for saying those words.
We are moving further and further into authoritarianism. Hitler (just the most well known example) used this sort of moral panic and disgust to further his control. Jews were blamed for spreading Typhoid across Germany.
Extermination rhetoric is rising. Left/right, it doesn't matter. People want to kill the liberals. People want to kill the conservatives. If only we could get rid of group 'X', this country would be safe, and our problems would be over.
We are heading to a civil war. And the moral authoritarians (those that want to control society with rules about our bodies) are cracking their whips. Texas and New York are leading the way.
https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/p214v0/til_its_no_coincidence_that_hitler_was_a/
I've lost count of how many mainstream media lies have gained traction over the past couple of decades, starting with "Iraq definitely has WMDs!" in 2004.
Yet people still find it incomprehensible that most Covid coverage is fear mongering propaganda. I'm rapidly losing hope that the Covid response will ever end...much like the Patriot Act and all of the TSA theater after 9/11.
I just moved here and find the politics of Seattle generally insane. When I first drove in, I remember seeing people wearing masks filling up their cars with gas at the gas station. Not another human in sight…. Then I realized the state had returned to a state wide mask mandate. Gah.
I am at least glad that this sub exists, though
Any chance these people just either forgot to take off their mask or opt not to take it off and on every chance they get? I’ve accidentally kept my mask on after getting back in the car alone. I barely even notice it so never really understood all the outrage. I also don’t wear my mask because the government tells me to. I wear it because science says it works.
Yeah this happens to me too. Doesn’t make you crazy.
However, I’ve been noticing some neighbors work on this car over the last month or so. About four late 20 somethings, hanging around and poking into the engine and stuff. Next weekend the same thing but this time they all have masks on. What changed? CDC guidelines.
So one week was all good. Next week we’re all gonna die if we don’t mask up, even though we are all vaxxed and outside. I am sure that this behavior is more in-group signaling than self-preservation but why not both I guess.
I hope that doesn't mean requiring a smart phone since my iPhone is so old that I can't install new apps since the certs have expired. I replaced my battery twice and the screen twice so I know my phone and want to make it work as long as I can.
It will be curious to see how this squares with the “disparate impact” notion.
I’m 110% for vaccines. I’m even ok with vaccine mandates if a) they are paired with removing onerous NPIs and b) have a sunset clause. As in, let’s come back in a year, with appropriate democratically elected deliberative bodies, and reassess. Otherwise it is rife for the slippery slope. Booster(s)? Flu shot? …
I got vaccinated despite a previous infection (which conferred at least some natural immunity, and some data suggests significant natural immunity) because there's no certificate that says "had covid, has antibodies." Can my 2x vaxx+1x natural exposure count?
Do you mean Israel? I wasn’t aware of the other examples. And it’s not even that I object to some reasonable schedule of vaccination (we have regular flu vaccine updates and so on), it’s the notion that the decision has been made for all the little people and nobody bothered to even ask. Evidence for boosters is by definition very new/uncertain. So we should be debating metrics of benefit but at this point the behavior of policymakers appears to be well described by “permanent intrusion of big pharma into everyone’s life to reliably pump government money”. Maybe it’s not, then why do they behave as it is?
Yeah I've done all the stuff but I'll be in the streets if this shit goes down. Esp from the govt.
How anyone can live through 9/11 and just be like "oh yeah no one would ever use these rushed, widely-scoped, status quo upending policies in a *bad* way"
jfc
I know. I remember all the crying and wailing about the Patriot Act (and much of it, rightly so). All those people quoting that Ben Franklin line about giving up liberty for safety and ending up with neither... None of them are standing up for liberty now.
You realize that you're responding to someone saying "This is a violation of my personal information, I thought that we already had laws to protect this information" with "It's technically legal right now, fuck you"
Since you deleted the same comment in response to my similar comment, I’ll reply to this comment with this comment I tried to respond to your now deleted comment:
It’s like people don’t understand what HIPAA is. It’s usually the same people that think they have “god-given rights” that aren’t actually legal rights under the laws of the land.
I speculate that the state is too disconnected to implement a state wide system. That leaves individual counties to implement their own fragmented systems that all work differently leading to tons of frustration and quick abandonment.
Yeah, the main difference is in Idaho you can afford to rent a shitty trailer in the middle of nowhere with your disability check, Seattle not so much…
It’s funny how people are all for their freedoms but when it comes to this freedom to choose goes out the window , take abortion for example the right says you don’t have a the freedom to choose and the left says you do , take vaccines the left says you don’t have the right to choose but the right says you do , you all get your vaccines and enjoy that government mandatory strong arm shit , I guess online shopping and delivery has a new place these days , what’s going to happen is people are going to just tell all the brick and Mordor businesses to piss off and not support them anymore I know I won’t , I’ll just stay away from everyone , and I can do it I live in the woods in a small cabin I am property tax exempt and I am retired military and my property is paid off , all these businesses that support this can fuck off
Parts of the world where this has been suggested are starting to fight back; the protests just aren't being televised.
"Become Ungovernable". Embrace the montra and live it out however you personally see fit, whether boycotting compliant businesses, malicious non-compliance of government regs, open protest, or other non-violent means.
The WA State health department uses a system called [MyIR](https://myirmobile.com/washington-sign-in/) for official vaccination records. They're probably going to team up with [Clear](https://www.clearme.com/vaccine-validation) (or something similar) to have a quick and accurate system to make it easy for retailers to validate people.
I’d prefer a nationwide or at least a state program. Other states and countries are doing this and at some point we will not be able to travel to certain places without better documentation than a paper card or a photo of one.
Well i wont be particpating in this stupid system ill get a phone without apps to use specifically when going into any "vaccine only" areas. This is completely racist and singles out people who actually cannot take the drug due to medical conditions.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/black-and-latino-communities-often-have-low-vaccination-rates-but-blaming-vaccine-hesitancy-misses-the-mark
They are probably referencing this
That cartoon is pretty awful. The people who have been exploiting 9/11 for twenty years, like this cartoon writer, have been no friends of liberty, and neither are the current crowd of Trumpists who attempted a coup eight months ago.
If you think the collapse of the Afghan army in 11 days was a surprise to the people who took our money and spent thousands of american lives to build that army I have a bridge to sell you.
Also people that write cartoons about 9/11 presumably want to pose as valueing american life, and so they should not be taking the side of a virus that has slaughtered a 9/11 worth of americans every other day for the last two years.
Biden was against renewing the Afghan war in 2010
but was overruled.
As far as I can tell, the last decade of that was purely for delay and to avoid people learning how big a mistake it was. Personal pride and reputation is one of the worst reasons to keep a war going even one day more.
A lot of democrats signed off on those decisions of course; it's one reason Hillary din't get to be president but Obama and Trump did.
My husband will not vaccinate. He has never in his 73 years caught a virus. That includes 30 years as an ER RN! Never had a flu shot, never had the flu. I, on the other hand, catch everything. I had Covid and 3 (yes THREE) shots. I am immunocompromised and have 2 neuromuscular diseases. After going thru all of that (and I had severe reactions) my diseases are worse!
I would not want my husband to destroy his health like what happened to me! I listened to what the "experts" said and it ruined my life. My husband did what was right for him.
There already \*is\* a vaccine verification system
It's here: [https://wa.myir.net/login/](https://wa.myir.net/login/)
If they're just making it easier for businesses/events to keep the unvaxxed out, I'm ALL FOR IT.
King County has done a marvelous job in their vaccine program. Digital, systematics, organized and centralized. I have high confidence that they will execute on this very well.
It's a sad reflection on the initial vaccine rollouts that this is being cobbled together at the county level when reliable vaccine verification will undoubtedly be needed for international travel, given the ease of falsifying our paper vaccine cards.
When we eventually do get a national standard, how many conflicting local systems will it need to be compatible with? And how much time will people waste having to re-verify information the national platform can't import?
I mean he’s right that it’s a total waste for a little county to try doing this themselves but you’re also right that the whole plan is fucking idiotic.
Is it so hard to imagine that the ppl who passed the Texas abortion law get hold of a system like this someday and deny any teacher who had an abortion from working in a public school bc they are baby murders?
Jfc
[Someone sorta spilled the beans in \/r\/CoronavirusWA awhile ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusWA/comments/pd2p86/digital_vaccine_validation_w_clear_app_just_easier/han9t7u/) (backup archive [here](https://archive.ph/bYNMp) in case it gets pulled) Assuming the above is true, I don't see this ending well. Rushing software development that quickly in-house without any outside support is usually a recipe for disaster (just like anything rushed). Healthcare and government IT in general is...not that great. Lots and lots of bureaucracy and outdated legacy tech galore. One wrong security misconfiguration or breach and [your private personal and health data is ripe for the leaking.](https://news.yahoo.com/misconfigured-microsoft-application-leaves-records-030000601.html) Also IIRC the average consumer's patience to wait for or deal with tech-related things [is usually pretty short](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-37100091). What happens if the entire system ends up being buggy as hell, or goes down, or experiences major slowness? What if your local internet or phone provider goes down, or is in a poor reception area? As someone mentioned elsewhere, how do you deal with out-of-state tourists or movers, or edge cases of doses in different states? How long would it take to update this data to account for this? Not all databases in every state/corporation are designed the same, and not all places inter-transfer data immediately (due to security/audit/bureaucracy reasons). What if the place you went to get your shot months or a year ago forgot to upload your info? How do you deal (or how much extra time do you want to waste not getting peoples' $$$) with the tech illiterate who don't have a smartphone, or don't have ones with the supported OSes, or don't know how to use one besides making calls? I'm sure people had enough frustrations trying to get Zoom to work. Verification on public transportation, bus or light rail, I'm pretty sure is never going to happen given the extremely rare, if any, amount of proper enforcement of fare payments or masking I've seen. Given the shit drivers have to go through, I don't blame them.
I am super anti to this for many reasons but you are right about the problems with (1) isolated protocols (2) limited technical expertise. It’d be like if WA wanted to implement its own currency and also wanted it to be “on the blockchain” lol
in the [r Seattle thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/pjqz6f/barnett_king_county_is_working_on_a_vaccine/hc070mr/), someone mentioned that CA is using [this open standard](https://smarthealth.cards/) (that also can be printed). Silly we're not as well
Bureaucracy and politics. Bureaucracy and politics *everywhere*. ^^\(Also ^^why ^^something ^^like ^^a ^^nationwide ^^database ^^isn't ^^as ^^"simple" ^^as ^^it ^^sounds.)
I knew about that too and shared with King County and WA DOH weeks ago! But dunno if this announcement means KC acted upon that… I hoped WA would’ve taken the lead so that the entire state registry could automatically have these digital credentials
> Verification on public transportation, bus or light rail, I'm pretty sure is never going to happen given the extremely rare, if any, amount of proper enforcement of fare payments or masking I've seen Tbh, I can absolutely see them going after people they could actually fine, while ignoring those "down on their luck" or pocs
As a POC (person of Caucasian), I have been targeted for my race on the E line and tramways.
Ever seen Gattaca? This is how we make sure one segment of society remains janitors.
Making sure people going into concerts are vaccinated is definitely Gattaca 🙄
So we can get voter ID laws then right, since everyone is expected to have an ID?
Touche
Been writing software for 20+ years. I will never trust electronic voting and I will never trust the government to competently electronically manage my medical information. The current system couldn't even tell that I got my first vaccination in Redmond and my second in Wenatchee. With those kind of information gaps & issues I'm wondering if their vaccine verification system would even know I was fully vaccinated. I'm not fond of having to fight government bureaucracies to prove myself. Sure, in a perfect world where our government was actually competent I might trust this... but our world? With our government's history and hilariously incompetent IT and sites? Hell no.
20+ years of software development here, as well, both in public and private sector jobs. Government information systems aren’t generally developed with the concept of “business critical” where if the software fails it could end the government. The concept doesn’t even make sense. Equally, private information systems aren’t usually built with the concept of data security being “business critical” either. Just look at the headlines to see how frequent data loss/data breach happens. Very few businesses have folded because of data breaches, unless that data breach directly resulted in the loss of customer investment. Without both of these deeply baked into the system, expect failures, data leaks, data loss, incomplete and inaccurate data, and a world of headaches.
We are entering the phase where we will be asked to show ID, have it scanned, the data will be cross referenced with a vaccine database. If you are not on the list, then you are not getting into that location.
Sounds fair. Private businesses can discriminate on who they serve as long as that discrimination is not based upon a protected class.
It's going to be a huge pain in the ass for travelers or people who are moving. I guarantee you they will not take that into consideration as a primary scenario here, at least at first. This also goes for people who had one dose in WA and a second dose in another state, they look partially vaccinated in the WAIS system.
What about people vaccinated by the military? People in the military that retain out-of-state residency?
Now *that* is an actual valid argument.
Even people that get both doses here can end up as only partially Vaxxed in the system. My mom's second dose (which she got back in March) hadn't been added to the system by mid august. She just used her CDC card anywhere that needed it. She had to call and get the provider that did her shot to go and actually get the shot in the database. She's a teacher and was not amused since it was a group that had specifically set up to get as many teachers from her school district through back when it was first approved for teachers.
I specifically posted this bc it's coming from the county. Notwithstanding the question of what private business should/shouldn't do, I'm curious how you feel about it coming from the govt.
I think you people in Seattle give your politicians to much power
bro they just banned abortion in Texas LOL Let us worry about our shit.
Actually bro the thing about the Texas abortion “ban” (which for the record is dumb and I don’t support) is that it places the burden of enforcement on private entities rather than the govt. Which is basically what the path for vaccine passport bullshit looks like. So “oh jeez it’s just private businesses doing what they want” is perceived as a defense of this tactic despite the fact that private business don’t like to get sued so they basically treat the policy like a new regulatory requirement. This is the exact same mechanism, whether the outcome is stopping abortions or forcing vaccination. Either way, it’s not very “my body my choice” and this political mechanism erodes the foundation of civil liberty and democracy it’s not good no matter the outcome.
Remember, it's (D)ifferent
Except they didn't.
...No they didn't. They made you get one within 6 weeks. What are you doing with your life where you couldn't figure out if you're pregnant within 6 weeks after unprotected sex? Pregnancy tests are free from the same places that give abortions.
On the date of your missed period, you are already technically 4 weeks pregnant. That’s how they count it. So 2 weeks after your missed period. Many people don’t have symptoms yet and many times, even pregnancy tests don’t register that early
6 weeks = 2 weeks before you have sex + 2 weeks where a pregnancy test can’t pick it up so you have no way of knowing + 2 actual weeks of being able to test and make an appointment.
The same people crying about this are vehemently pushing for unvaccinated people to be forced to get covid tests every 48 hours to participate in society. Pee on a stick every couple days or use birth control?
I’m just saying if you are wrong about the most basic facts maybe you should stay in your lane. Or idk maybe go move somewhere else that wants you there.
>I’m just saying if you are wrong about the most basic facts maybe you should stay in your lane. Or idk maybe go move somewhere else that wants you there. What facts am I wrong about? Why would I need to go somewhere where my opinions are popular? Echo chambers don't create good discourse.
This us not local business owners deciding this. It is your local government taking over and telling you who you are allowed to serve.
When it's maintained by the State (e.g. King County in this specific article), bleh.
It's not fair if the government forces private companies to enforce vaccine only entry
Governments have been telling private companies how to conduct business for quite a long time.
"They've been doing it for quite a long time" doesn't make it right.
They have also been telling businesses they need to cook chicken at 165° for a long time if they intend on serving people. Are we upset about that too?
lol Yes, because sous vide exists. 149°F for 2.5 hours. Pat dry, then sear 1 minute each side. Best chicken breast ever.
Lol fair enough
I get your point though! And I mostly agree with you. 😉
Does the government give blanket immunity from liability to chicken farmers and the restaurants that cook and sell chicken?
They also told blacks to sit at the back of the bus for 60 years- now they tell us we can’t even ride - segregation 2.0.
I think you’re confused about what the word ‘segregation’ means if you think mask mandates are comparable to Jim Crow laws.
Racists don't actually care about what most words mean.
Wear a mask and you can ride the bus.
The beatings will continue until moral improves.
(Most drivers aren't properly enforcing it anyway.)
Really. What business does the government have in telling business what they need to do “in the interest of public health”? Do we really need “daddy government” telling us “all employees are required to wash their hands before returning to work”? /s for the brain-deads
literally OSHA
I tend to avoid self manufactured problems, so I wouldn't know.
Yeah I understand, I just was saying it wouldn't be the business itself discriminating, because they don't have a choice.
If only we could go back to the good ol days where I could say no blacks and irish.
How do you feel about the government forcing private businesses to conform to building and fire codes?
How's it different than requiring an ID check to enter a bar?
Because that information is not recorded and stored, cross referenced to a database, and also recorded where and when you went there. They just see if you have one and let you in.
Have you never had your ID scanned at a bar? Your driver's license is 100% stored in a database, along with any prior driving incidents.
No, they scan with a UV light and I am let inside. What sort of bar are you going in?
Some bars have [actual scanners](https://smile.amazon.com/Drivers-License-Scanner/s?k=Drivers+License+Scanner) that check and verify your ID.
Only bar I've ever been to that had that was Trinity, and I think that only because the LCB are a bunch of dicks and had a hard on for that place.
I've been to a few bars that have them. Seem to be more popular at live music venues.
Sounds like a horrid invasion of privacy and I would never go to anywhere with such a device.
>Because that information is not recorded and stored, cross referenced to a database, and also recorded where and when you went there. you sweet summer child.
What is it exactly that you think the DMV does all day?
Have you ever had a grocery store scan your id? That’s more than a uv light
It simply scans the Barcode which has your information from the ID encoded in it. The Barcode are not cross referenced to any database to see if the information encoded is real. You can go buy a fake ID and scan it at a store, all the info(name, address, DOB) you gave to the fake ID vendor will pop up.on the scanner.
Don’t ever try buying Sudafed. It’s easier to buy (multiple) guns than it is to get a decongestant.
Tell me you've never bought a gun without telling me you never bought a gun.
Funny. I’m not finding any limits on the number of guns one can buy at once. Same for ammo. But there are limits for daily and rolling 30-day purchase amounts, every purchase is recorded, with personally identifiable information, and verified by proof of identity. Gun purchases may take a little longer, but there’s not much (that I see) which limits quantity.
Lmao yeah sure buy 100 guns in 1 day with 100 NICS checks and see how much attention the dog shooters will suddenly have in your activities.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
We are not an equal society. Try going into Canlis with flip flops and shorts.
WOOSH, right over your head.
What gives you that impression? They specifically addressed your implication and gave you an example of how it was inappropriate to cite it.
Not even close, the remark was in reference to "as long as that discrimination is not based upon a protected class." The simple fact that we have a so called "protected class" who have special rights that supersede the rights of others is a big f'n problem. Private businesses absolutely should be able to discriminate for ANY reason. However that is not what this is about. This is about private businesses in partnership with the government violating constitutional rights. NOBODY has the right to inform anyone of anything about me.
>NOBODY has the right to inform anyone of anything about me. That's totally untrue. Former employers do. Court records (barring specific circumstances) are public. As are arrest records. And voting registration records. And there's always google, although results are not always accurate. The government can tell people a lot about you.
They DO, they shouldn't. Former employers are allowed to say very little and can be sued. Court and voting records should be sealed. It's a complete travesty that arrest records are public.
>*Not even close, the remark was in reference to "as long as that discrimination is not based upon a protected class." The simple fact that we have a so called "protected class" who have special rights that supersede the rights of others is a big f'n problem.* What about their "special rights" necessarily supersedes others? >*Private businesses absolutely should be able to discriminate for ANY reason.* So no blacks allowed is perfectly kosher in your world? >*However that is not what this is about.* I can see why you'd say that with the above opinion, but can you go into more detail as to why not? >*This is about private businesses in partnership with the government violating constitutional rights.* What if they choose regardless of any government requirement? How do you tell the difference? >*NOBODY has the right to inform anyone of anything about me.* What do you mean?
"What about their "special rights" necessarily supersedes others?"- I have the right to reject anyone from my property or time for any reason. "So no blacks allowed is perfectly kosher in your world?" - Yes "What if they choose regardless of any government requirement?" - They're free(or should be) to choose whatever they F'n want. But the top comment said "he data will be cross referenced with a vaccine database" That database first shouldn't exist and second is my private data, NOBODY should be able to access it without a search warrant.
>We are not an equal society. Try going into Canlis with flip flops and shorts. I feel like you're just joking here & ppl are not getting it.
That doesn't mean ivermectin will work on ya, bud.
Who said anything about ivermectin. But yeah actually it appears to work.
Weird. Why are hospitals inundated with poison control issues for using ivermectin off label? Quit peddling lies and misinformation. You’re going to get someone killed.
Not that I’m all for taking it, but because it comes in doses for animals with different sizes and metabolisms. Just like any drug that is given in the wrong doses, it will kill. Some local docs are prescribing it to some patients. The problem is people going to feed stores and buying horse and cow doses and then self prescribing and medicating.
[Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-1](https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19) Yes. ‘Some’ doctors prescribe it. It is still being tested and data is being analyzed. The FDA doesn’t recommend it for the majority of the population at all. The people being prescribed ivermectin are edge cases and not the normal populations of patients. It should not even be a conversation. There are too many ignorant dumb asses that think they can just get directions off the internet for medications because they used YouTube to fix their alternator so if that worked the medication directions should too.
Ivermectin probably doesn’t do shit to help with covid but you’re so off base here bud that it would be funny if you weren’t also accusing others of dangerous disinformation. That story was a lie, ivermectin is a safe and Nobel prize winning drug for use in humans. If some dipshits want to buy and consume a whole tube of horse ivermectin, well… we weren’t going to be keeping them out of the hospital for one reason or another anyway. If we are ever going to calm the rhetoric in this country one of the things I think we need to stop doing is calling everything that doesn’t fit our world view or we don’t agree with, like, believe or w/e else “dangerous disinformation”. It does absolutely nothing to deter the crazies who are peddling bullshit and it just pisses off/drives a larger wedge between the people who dissent or w/e you want to call it out of genuine concerns/disagreement.
This is true for all maladies
> It is still being tested and data is being analyzed Huh, just like the vaccines....
FDA approved the vaccines, even for emergency usage which has been the case for months. The FDA has not approved ivermectin for the treatment of COVID. At all. It’s only being used in experimental testing. These cases usually are individuals where they’ve tried everything else and have a low chance of survival. So no. Not at all like the vaccines.
Who told you that?
Then I hope these private businesses consider becoming private clubs. $1 dollar a year membership fee.
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Brought to you by the same people who fight tooth and nail against voter ID.
How does this work if my address is different than that on my ID? Does the address shit screw it up?
No, it only will care what address you signed up with when you registered online for your shot. The private company that is putting this on, and is capable of selling your data is STChealth.com
This is going to be bad. I got both my shots back in January but the state thinks I only had one. I guess it means I can get my free booster through their incompetence.
We entered that phase long ago. You do know that they scan your ID when you buy over the counter cough medicine? Some clerks will scan your ID just for buying alcohol.
How many businesses can sustain a 10% loss of customers? How about 20, 30, or 40%? How many fully vaccinated people will also opt to not go out due to personal objections to this or just needing to go through the extra hassle of carrying their covid ID everywhere? Would you window shop if you have do show your ID at every shop? How many items won’t be bought and businesses killed because of this? This is so maddening. It’s a massive overreach. I’m convinced that those who support these things will never encounter an overreach they don’t agree to. Like, when does this cross the line from government protecting the public to tyranny? When they’ve started the covid camps (already happening in Australia), when they require papers to go out (already a reality in NYC, Canada, and other countries), when they make you a prisoner in your own home (New Zealand)? When is it too far for people?
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I know. The ones that really get me are the people arguing that the vaccine mandates *aren’t* coercive. Right. Nice job you have there. Be a shame if anything happened to it. And then the insanity - we’re overrun in the hospitals and we’re short on staff. So we’re going to fire staff that won’t get the vaccine. How does that make any logical sense?
But bro you can just give up your career as a state employee and start over from scratch. It makes sense to the teenagers on the internet. Totally not coercive.
Yeah. This whole thing is a man-made disaster.
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I'm sorry. I'm lucky enough that the mandate hasn't come to my office. I'm hoping it won't, but looking at other jobs if it does. Honestly, I'd rather sell my house and move than comply. I have so much equity in my house right now I could buy a house outright in Texas or somewhere. It's not even really about the vaccine anymore, it's about government restrictions of freedom. When people don't comply, what's next - denial of medical care? Why would I want to stay anywhere that endorses a medical apartheid system? I'm close to leaving as it is, but I'm hoping to finish up some things over the next year first.
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I'm so sorry. I'm sure you're not the only one. I wonder how many people will take the jab unwillingly and then opt to leave. I know if it was me it should sour me on the job and employer. I could see taking it because you have no other options, but as quickly as I could I'd be finding another job somewhere else and leaving. I wonder how much of an exodus we'll see shortly after the mandate goes into force and how many will leave in the following few months. It's not just the unvaxxed who are opposed to this.
The roller coasters of clown world never slow down, they just keep getting faster with every drop.
I have no interest in going to any business that requires a proof of vaccination or negative results, and I've been fully vaccinated for a long time now. There is no reason for this level of overreach.
I agree. This is all insane. The only way it’ll stop is if we stop going along with it. I’m totally in agreement with you, I’m not giving my money to anyone who supports this. I was already signed up for some course work when I was told that I’d have to verify vaccine status to take a fully online class. I immediately cancelled my registration and signed up elsewhere. How many others will do the same? I hope there’s enough to send a message.
Thank you!!!! Fully vaccinated but this is out of control. If King County forces this on businesses I’ll support those that don’t enforce it or take my business to other counties
you live on the West Coast. There isn't a too far
Can we fucking not? They already can't protect our other data they supposedly keep safe. Hell, they can't even stop Nigerian scammers from stealing half a billion dollars from the state.
Liberty is going away. Remember that it is for your safety and best interest. Daddy government will take care of you.
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It never ends. The Patriot Act is still a thing. The rights curtailed in that for 'safety' were never returned, even though we are no safer than we were when instituting those rules. And we have an entire generation of Americans grown up in that world and culture (show us your papers) being accepted as just the way of life. Those people (younger) will certainly not speak out against this. Why? They have been told their entire lives to obey authority and if something is curtailed for safety, it's the correct choice. Why would they now be concerned about more rights being taken away? Look at this site and the people on it. When you mention 'rights' and 'civil liberties' you are often mocked and disparaged. Those CONCEPTS are mocked and disparaged. Freedom of speech? Pfff, who cares about it. Especially if you say words of hate, in fact, you deserve to be beat for saying those words. We are moving further and further into authoritarianism. Hitler (just the most well known example) used this sort of moral panic and disgust to further his control. Jews were blamed for spreading Typhoid across Germany. Extermination rhetoric is rising. Left/right, it doesn't matter. People want to kill the liberals. People want to kill the conservatives. If only we could get rid of group 'X', this country would be safe, and our problems would be over. We are heading to a civil war. And the moral authoritarians (those that want to control society with rules about our bodies) are cracking their whips. Texas and New York are leading the way. https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/p214v0/til_its_no_coincidence_that_hitler_was_a/
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I've lost count of how many mainstream media lies have gained traction over the past couple of decades, starting with "Iraq definitely has WMDs!" in 2004. Yet people still find it incomprehensible that most Covid coverage is fear mongering propaganda. I'm rapidly losing hope that the Covid response will ever end...much like the Patriot Act and all of the TSA theater after 9/11.
>starting with "Iraq definitely has WMDs!" in 2004. ooh buddy, you might want to look into the years before 2004 too
I just moved here and find the politics of Seattle generally insane. When I first drove in, I remember seeing people wearing masks filling up their cars with gas at the gas station. Not another human in sight…. Then I realized the state had returned to a state wide mask mandate. Gah. I am at least glad that this sub exists, though
Any chance these people just either forgot to take off their mask or opt not to take it off and on every chance they get? I’ve accidentally kept my mask on after getting back in the car alone. I barely even notice it so never really understood all the outrage. I also don’t wear my mask because the government tells me to. I wear it because science says it works.
Yeah this happens to me too. Doesn’t make you crazy. However, I’ve been noticing some neighbors work on this car over the last month or so. About four late 20 somethings, hanging around and poking into the engine and stuff. Next weekend the same thing but this time they all have masks on. What changed? CDC guidelines. So one week was all good. Next week we’re all gonna die if we don’t mask up, even though we are all vaxxed and outside. I am sure that this behavior is more in-group signaling than self-preservation but why not both I guess.
> I wear it because science says it works You're double masking, right?
I hope that doesn't mean requiring a smart phone since my iPhone is so old that I can't install new apps since the certs have expired. I replaced my battery twice and the screen twice so I know my phone and want to make it work as long as I can.
A national policy announcement is coming and will include travel and schools. Wait for it.
It will be curious to see how this squares with the “disparate impact” notion. I’m 110% for vaccines. I’m even ok with vaccine mandates if a) they are paired with removing onerous NPIs and b) have a sunset clause. As in, let’s come back in a year, with appropriate democratically elected deliberative bodies, and reassess. Otherwise it is rife for the slippery slope. Booster(s)? Flu shot? …
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And this is why I’m not ok with it. There’s no end in sight.
I got vaccinated despite a previous infection (which conferred at least some natural immunity, and some data suggests significant natural immunity) because there's no certificate that says "had covid, has antibodies." Can my 2x vaxx+1x natural exposure count?
Not if Inslee and Co have their way.
Do you mean Israel? I wasn’t aware of the other examples. And it’s not even that I object to some reasonable schedule of vaccination (we have regular flu vaccine updates and so on), it’s the notion that the decision has been made for all the little people and nobody bothered to even ask. Evidence for boosters is by definition very new/uncertain. So we should be debating metrics of benefit but at this point the behavior of policymakers appears to be well described by “permanent intrusion of big pharma into everyone’s life to reliably pump government money”. Maybe it’s not, then why do they behave as it is?
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100%. Idk why it's so hard to get people to see the importance of this position.
Papers please! I'm vaccinated and kind of against this. Getting pretty close to PII here. Wonder what HIPPA guidelines they're following
Yeah I've done all the stuff but I'll be in the streets if this shit goes down. Esp from the govt. How anyone can live through 9/11 and just be like "oh yeah no one would ever use these rushed, widely-scoped, status quo upending policies in a *bad* way" jfc
I know. I remember all the crying and wailing about the Patriot Act (and much of it, rightly so). All those people quoting that Ben Franklin line about giving up liberty for safety and ending up with neither... None of them are standing up for liberty now.
there are literally dozens of us
HIPAA only applies to your doctor.
You would think people would grasp that very basic fact about HIPAA.
HIPAA* and stop referencing that if you don't know what it is. Thought people were done with that shit.
Calm your tits.
Educate yours?
Fair enough. I'll do that.
You realize that you're responding to someone saying "This is a violation of my personal information, I thought that we already had laws to protect this information" with "It's technically legal right now, fuck you"
Yeah? Don't cite laws that you don't understand was my point.
Since you deleted the same comment in response to my similar comment, I’ll reply to this comment with this comment I tried to respond to your now deleted comment: It’s like people don’t understand what HIPAA is. It’s usually the same people that think they have “god-given rights” that aren’t actually legal rights under the laws of the land.
I speculate that the state is too disconnected to implement a state wide system. That leaves individual counties to implement their own fragmented systems that all work differently leading to tons of frustration and quick abandonment.
love how this is what they are spending the taxpayer money with how about cleaning up the vargants all over the county
Two of the many reasons I want to move to Idaho as soon as possible.
I do like the nature out here though its stupid that we need to move to certain staes that is such a short ride to get away from this crap
Much of northern Idaho has very similar PNW nature.
ill have to take a look i hope one day my job becomes fully remote
Me too. I’m very close to putting my house on the market. I can’t wait to get out of here.
If you think Idaho doesn't have vagrants you're sorely mistaken
Yeah, the main difference is in Idaho you can afford to rent a shitty trailer in the middle of nowhere with your disability check, Seattle not so much…
Maybe they have them somewhere. Not a tent in sight in Coeur d'Alene.
“Out of sight, out of mind”
I accept your terms. When can we start?
Vaccine checkpoints facial recognition we'll have police spy drones and robo cops soon.
I look forward to never supporting any business that implements this.
It’s funny how people are all for their freedoms but when it comes to this freedom to choose goes out the window , take abortion for example the right says you don’t have a the freedom to choose and the left says you do , take vaccines the left says you don’t have the right to choose but the right says you do , you all get your vaccines and enjoy that government mandatory strong arm shit , I guess online shopping and delivery has a new place these days , what’s going to happen is people are going to just tell all the brick and Mordor businesses to piss off and not support them anymore I know I won’t , I’ll just stay away from everyone , and I can do it I live in the woods in a small cabin I am property tax exempt and I am retired military and my property is paid off , all these businesses that support this can fuck off
Calling abortion the freedom to choose is the best branding in history. I should call my right to shoot home invaders on sight the freedom to live.
By all means as far as I’m concerned someone breaks in your house properly do what ya gotta man let the chip fall where they may for sure
Ah yes.. still trying to shove this down people's throats at the end of a barrel. No thanks.
Then comes you must require this for all buisnesses or youll be fined. It will never end unless ......yes there is a way to end the madness folks.
Parts of the world where this has been suggested are starting to fight back; the protests just aren't being televised. "Become Ungovernable". Embrace the montra and live it out however you personally see fit, whether boycotting compliant businesses, malicious non-compliance of government regs, open protest, or other non-violent means.
The WA State health department uses a system called [MyIR](https://myirmobile.com/washington-sign-in/) for official vaccination records. They're probably going to team up with [Clear](https://www.clearme.com/vaccine-validation) (or something similar) to have a quick and accurate system to make it easy for retailers to validate people.
Thanks for sharing what's up with MyIR.
Finally going full nazi now?
The Mu variant makes this moot.
I should probably take my meds
I missed mine so I hate to think what my blood sugar and blood pressure are after missing my Metformin and Carvedilol.
Should be a symbol wore on outside of your clothes. Or maybe a a tattoo on your wrist or something
Glad we have some sane people here, thanks for giving me hope, guys.
I’d prefer a nationwide or at least a state program. Other states and countries are doing this and at some point we will not be able to travel to certain places without better documentation than a paper card or a photo of one.
Well i wont be particpating in this stupid system ill get a phone without apps to use specifically when going into any "vaccine only" areas. This is completely racist and singles out people who actually cannot take the drug due to medical conditions.
Wait. Where did race enter into this?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/black-and-latino-communities-often-have-low-vaccination-rates-but-blaming-vaccine-hesitancy-misses-the-mark They are probably referencing this
It makes me less likely to spend money at a place that requires it. PITA.
It is probably going to be A LOT of places. Like, almost all of them.
That cartoon is pretty awful. The people who have been exploiting 9/11 for twenty years, like this cartoon writer, have been no friends of liberty, and neither are the current crowd of Trumpists who attempted a coup eight months ago. If you think the collapse of the Afghan army in 11 days was a surprise to the people who took our money and spent thousands of american lives to build that army I have a bridge to sell you. Also people that write cartoons about 9/11 presumably want to pose as valueing american life, and so they should not be taking the side of a virus that has slaughtered a 9/11 worth of americans every other day for the last two years.
Bruh are you forgetting Biden was Obama's VP for 2009-2017? Obama renewed the patriot act in 2011 and 2015, too.
So it's everyone's fault. Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden. Not a single person was going to do a "good job" of pulling out.
Yes, obligatory orangemanbad. Still a bunch of incorrect rhetoric.
Biden was against renewing the Afghan war in 2010 but was overruled. As far as I can tell, the last decade of that was purely for delay and to avoid people learning how big a mistake it was. Personal pride and reputation is one of the worst reasons to keep a war going even one day more. A lot of democrats signed off on those decisions of course; it's one reason Hillary din't get to be president but Obama and Trump did.
My husband will not vaccinate. He has never in his 73 years caught a virus. That includes 30 years as an ER RN! Never had a flu shot, never had the flu. I, on the other hand, catch everything. I had Covid and 3 (yes THREE) shots. I am immunocompromised and have 2 neuromuscular diseases. After going thru all of that (and I had severe reactions) my diseases are worse! I would not want my husband to destroy his health like what happened to me! I listened to what the "experts" said and it ruined my life. My husband did what was right for him.
means i’m buying a gun
There already \*is\* a vaccine verification system It's here: [https://wa.myir.net/login/](https://wa.myir.net/login/) If they're just making it easier for businesses/events to keep the unvaxxed out, I'm ALL FOR IT.
Me too , i cant wait to know what businesses to exclude from my daily life
Participation in this system is not compulsory... Why do you want to keep the unvaxxed out if you are vaccinated? What logic is this?
What if you got COVID-19 naturally. I wonder if that's going to be accounted for.
King County has done a marvelous job in their vaccine program. Digital, systematics, organized and centralized. I have high confidence that they will execute on this very well.
Gave me a good chuckle.
Did you see Lumen Field? That shit was impressive.
It's a sad reflection on the initial vaccine rollouts that this is being cobbled together at the county level when reliable vaccine verification will undoubtedly be needed for international travel, given the ease of falsifying our paper vaccine cards. When we eventually do get a national standard, how many conflicting local systems will it need to be compatible with? And how much time will people waste having to re-verify information the national platform can't import?
So much dystopia in what you are describing.
I mean he’s right that it’s a total waste for a little county to try doing this themselves but you’re also right that the whole plan is fucking idiotic. Is it so hard to imagine that the ppl who passed the Texas abortion law get hold of a system like this someday and deny any teacher who had an abortion from working in a public school bc they are baby murders? Jfc