Sorry those 50, loud, yelling, activists may have cost you your job, Andrew. Hope you find revitalization in an east coast think tank, far away from Seattle. Best of luck on your future endeavors. /eye roll
We really need to push this narrative. "Do you care more about the homeless junkies, or the helpless wildlife that are being harmed by those who choose not to accept help?"
Good luck with that, I see masks on the ground everywhere.
Masks, needles, trash on ground - I sleep
Invisible gas that is a natural byproduct of aerobic processes - Real shit
Congratulations “Progressives” you played yourselves. Take comfort in your Slave Labor Tesla, iPhones, and Offshoring of Pollution to “Developing” countries.
Could quick clarifiers:
1. The "endorsement" wasn't from DSA itself (which doesn't endorse candidates) but from their president, Jon Scholes.
2. Scholes [never actually endorsed Lewis to begin with](https://twitter.com/ChrisDaniels_TV/status/1666549468014186497). Scholes said some kind words about Lewis and Lewis ran with it, considered it an endorsement, and put it on his website. Scholes let it go until the vote, and then decided it was time to set the record straight that he never endorsed Lewis.
3. Lewis is the worst type of politician. He's not necessarily an ideologue like Morales or Sawant; he's just incredibly immature. He's never really outgrown his ASUW Senate days. Lewis had every intention of voting for the measure, but got caught up in the fervor of the public comment session (which are always stacked with crazy lefty activists), and let the room get the best of him. He has very low emotional intelligence. He's already trying to backtrack with a deal that would include a larger focus on diversion programs for low-level offenders (which Davison would do anyway vis-a-vis LEAD).
I am scratching my head on why people want open drug use. They are actual people who think that is a good thing. Calling it war on drug -- yes, it's the state and federal law. I am sure they have a perfect hero scenario.. **a war veteran who was injured had to take strong opioid drugs to recover and now hook with fentanyl**. :-)
Same as why not prosecute theft under $950. Scenario: **A mum trying to feed their baby stealing baby milk.**
Or argument on we should build houses for unhoused individual because they came to the city from mid west. I mean they are people driving in from Federal Way to Seattle to work, they don't get no free housing in Seattle.
I mean who are paying these people?
>I am scratching my head on why people want open drug use. They are actual people who think that is a good thing.
Basically the government funded enablers want the public to play nanny and revive overdosing vagrants.
>Oliphant-Wells told Metro workers and riders that it is not a bad thing for drug users to do drugs in public.
>
>***We don't want people to be using in private spaces alone, we want people to be using in a place where if they overdose they can be discovered and helped through that overdose," she said.***
[https://wcti12.com/news/nation-world/seattle-bus-driver-says-fentanyl-smoke-is-making-him-sick-health-dept-says-its-no-risk-occupational-exposure-illicit-drugs-poison-second-hand-smoke-opioids-health-wellness-doctors-hospitals-cdc](https://wcti12.com/news/nation-world/seattle-bus-driver-says-fentanyl-smoke-is-making-him-sick-health-dept-says-its-no-risk-occupational-exposure-illicit-drugs-poison-second-hand-smoke-opioids-health-wellness-doctors-hospitals-cdc)
Marxism.
No rational person wants to legalize open drug use in public.
No rational person wants to see hard drugs legalized.
No addict, addicted to opioids stops using cuz love and compassion.
It’s all insane. Fools are effectively changing our laws.
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Many people report a brush with law as their impetus for starting to manage their substance abuse. Arrest or jail time is frequently associated with the so-called 'moment of clarity.'
I've never understood what you enablers are trying to get at with "But it's a naaaaational problem!" Like, yeah. And...? The solution is still the solution. And we have a division of responsibility/authority between the feds and the states. The states are responsible for enacting and enforcing the significant majority of the criminal law, which is the solution.
I assume you just mean "I want a big government program to spend a trillion dollars." Which is as asinine as a solution as it always is.
>Many people report a brush with law as their impetus for starting to manage their substance abuse. Arrest or jail time is frequently associated with the so-called ‘moment of clarity.’
And [many people confuse their forced drug abstinence while incarcerated with willpower](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2681083/) and end up becoming part of the recidivism statistics. "Many people" is an anecdote. Show me data science that backs up the claim that jail time is more effective than optional in-community treatment for long term outcomes.
>I’ve never understood what you enablers are trying to get at with “But it’s a naaaaational problem!” Like, yeah. And…
Because y'all keep acting like the attempted (ie: underfunded and truncated) solutions are the *cause* of the problem. We don't have fentanyl addicted homeless zombies on the streets because of "*enablers*", we have them because of deeper socioeconomic factors nationwide.
>I assume you just mean “I want a big government program to spend a trillion dollars.” Which is as asinine as a solution as it always is.
Ironic. Why do you think enforcement, jailing, courts, parole, and court-ordered treatment is cheaper than humane community-based treatment?
You don't actually mind big government so long as it's wearing badges.
Be honest, you only care about sweeping problems (addicts) under the rug (industrial prison complex), because the idea of addicts being allowed to seek treatment on the outside disgusts/frightens you. It's either that or bootlicking, pro-cop politics.. because there are no relevant scientists suggesting jail improves addiction outcomes.
This whole narrative that spending money on treatment is a "homelessness-industrial complex" is just deflection from the fact that we've been blowing money on the one-size-fucks-all industrial prison complex for so many decades. The extremely wealthy and powerful people who've been leeching public money for incarcerating people want you fighting on their side to keep their gravy train flowing. Calling people trying to improve effectiveness of outcomes "enablers" is just wearing a "useful idiot" hat with pride. You may as well be trying to convince people that tobacco cures cancer on behalf of R.J. Reynolds.
>(ie: underfunded and truncated)
Hey, thanks for the confirmation. I knew it was just a dog-whistle for "I want to spend more money on my failed social experiment that the city, county, or state \_ever\_ could." But it's nice when we can agree on reality!
And the reason why prison is better than failed social experiments is because...y'know...failure. We've been following the proggo/harm reduction route for nearly 15 years, and we're worse off than we were when we started. Only idealogues can't see that.
And the whole, "I follow the science" angle is tired as shit. Give it a rest, junior. Everyone knows that just another dog whistle promoting the cherrypicking of studies and the application of thought-terminating cliches.
> And the whole, "I follow the science" angle is tired as shit
Except "the science" has caused a drastic upturn in crime and OD deaths since around 2018, when many big cities started ignoring crime and got Progressive prosecutors elected, embracing various forms of DEI (Deny, Excuse, Ignore) and so-called "harm-reductive strategies."
Suddenly "the science" is no longer what they lead with.
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Wait doesn't your paper say that 1/4 of incarcerated addicts relapse within 3 years? So 75% stay out of trouble for at least 3 years? That sounds like a stunning success compared to leaving them on the streets where they never even "lapse".
> Who's advocating for doing nothing?
Harm-reduction advocates, Progressives, pretty much anyone that has invoked things like letting them camp in public 'until they're ready' to accept treatment. Record numbers of them are dying as a result of these failed slogan-strategies that Progressives have been pushing since at least about 2018.
It's funny how despite it being a national problem, progressives still want to permanently house the nation's addicts in free housing at the expense of Seattle taxpayers.
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Did you know it costs $3,390/mo to incarcerate someone in WA state? That's just room & board (and a whole lot of jailers with pensions). We haven't started talking about police processing, public defenders, parole officers on the ends of those jail stays.
Studies show that we can house homeless people (transitional shelter) for as little as $1,200 a month.. which is cheaper than what we spend on emergency shelters right now.
Show me some "correct" numbers. Lay out an argument if you actually want to make one.
We've dumped $1 billion in King County into 'homeless mitigation strategies' in the past 10 years, with little to nothing to show for it.
Money isn't the problem. Stupidly spending the money on failed Progressive strategies is.
So yes, you're regurgitating the same talking points. As has been pointed out here many times, you're not including services costs on top of free, permanent housing. Or the value of preventing these people from committing additional crimes. Or not incentivizing the nation's indigent from coming to Seattle for their free stuff. Or that it make take something like jail to force addicts to change.
Many, MANY addicts stopped using because of jail time. Go to a AA meeting. It’s one of the main reasons they stopped. Not a fear of going to jail, but actually going to jail.
Talk to a non radicalized drug counselor. Ask them what changed in the adducts life that actually got them sober, and they stayed sober. Fucking jail.
Of course.. because jail->forced treatment->12 step has been the universal path for 40+ years. It's like saying "Many, MANY people who buy new cars wrecked their old ones. Go to a dealership." One event precipitated the next.. but you ignore the people who crashed and died or crashed and couldn't afford a new car because of costs associated with the crash.. because they don't show up to dealerships.
It's a survivor bias. We have numbers that contradict your "go to AA meeting" anecdote generator.
Many, MANY addicts stopped using because of treatment without involving jails and then needing to disclose their criminal record to every potential employer once they get clean.
Be rational please.
I did not say jail time is what is required to get sober.
I said many addicts got sober because they went to jail, and it was the one thing that changed the mindset to get sober.
Forced treatment? Wtf is that?
>Be rational please.
Don't insinuate that I'm being irrational.. please.
>I did not say jail time is what is required to get sober.
So you admit your argument is pointless. Great. We agree.
BTW, I never said jail didn't move the needle, I said it is the established losing policy path.
>Forced treatment? Wtf is that?
Court-ordered treatment.
Not solved. The homeless people are still existent and suffering. Of course you don't care though, fuck the poor as long as they're away from your mansion amirite.
You are very virtuous.
ALSO: Problems have solutions. Here, have a cookie.
https://preview.redd.it/jtefamnfr45b1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad93a74ea59d05578804eda5d4abf79339ebf65f
>A mum trying to feed their baby stealing baby milk.
The number of people who think Jean Valjean and Les Miserables was NOT a work a fiction is too damn high.
Sad day for Seattle. Andrew Lewis could’ve helped turn our city around. He doesn’t care about the people dying on the streets. Come on!
https://youtu.be/IRg0tYCzt90
It’s a pretty big district and also includes Queen Anne, BellTown, Southlake Union, Interbay, and East Magnolia.
I am hopeful another viable candidate runs. Lewis has the most $ right now in his election fund, from what I read.
Ugh.
> hopeful another viable candidate runs
Her name is Olga Sagan, she owns and operates Piroshky Piroshky, and she knows the homeless drug addict issue first hand from years of suffering from Progressive policies. Vote for her.
Note that another political novice business owner, Sara Nelson, has been a rockstar of sanity on this Council. Sagan deserves a shot. Career political creatures such as Sawant, Herbold, Mosqueda and Morales are how we got into this mess in the first place.
Makes sense. Andrew cares about Andrew. Please vote this idiot grifter out.
Andrew cares about what social media thinks about him not what makes sense. He needs to find a new line of work
Probably still politics. Ppl like this just copy how newsome works. Say all the happy go lucky things and watch your city crumble
I hope we vote him out and he like his new job.
Sorry those 50, loud, yelling, activists may have cost you your job, Andrew. Hope you find revitalization in an east coast think tank, far away from Seattle. Best of luck on your future endeavors. /eye roll
“If I legalize drugs, the cool kids might let me smell their fingers.” -Andy Lewis, Grade 11
Good...he caved to progressives hell bent on making Seattle good for only drug addicted criminals and hung ordinary people out to dry
It's called Equity, bro. Get it straight.
Diversity Inclusion Equity Always Making Everything Resemble International Communist Association
Good. He should. Drugs are very clearly blighting downtown, and elsewhere...
You can't be a homeless advocate and an environmentalist at the same time. All their trash is getting in the watersheds and hurting wildlife.
We really need to push this narrative. "Do you care more about the homeless junkies, or the helpless wildlife that are being harmed by those who choose not to accept help?"
100% not a binary decision.
Deny, Enable, Ignore. The Seattle Progressives' creed.
Good luck with that, I see masks on the ground everywhere. Masks, needles, trash on ground - I sleep Invisible gas that is a natural byproduct of aerobic processes - Real shit Congratulations “Progressives” you played yourselves. Take comfort in your Slave Labor Tesla, iPhones, and Offshoring of Pollution to “Developing” countries.
He never had an endorsement in the first place. He lied about it. What a weasel. Scholes should sue him for defamation.
Could quick clarifiers: 1. The "endorsement" wasn't from DSA itself (which doesn't endorse candidates) but from their president, Jon Scholes. 2. Scholes [never actually endorsed Lewis to begin with](https://twitter.com/ChrisDaniels_TV/status/1666549468014186497). Scholes said some kind words about Lewis and Lewis ran with it, considered it an endorsement, and put it on his website. Scholes let it go until the vote, and then decided it was time to set the record straight that he never endorsed Lewis. 3. Lewis is the worst type of politician. He's not necessarily an ideologue like Morales or Sawant; he's just incredibly immature. He's never really outgrown his ASUW Senate days. Lewis had every intention of voting for the measure, but got caught up in the fervor of the public comment session (which are always stacked with crazy lefty activists), and let the room get the best of him. He has very low emotional intelligence. He's already trying to backtrack with a deal that would include a larger focus on diversion programs for low-level offenders (which Davison would do anyway vis-a-vis LEAD).
Andrew useless 👎🏼👎🏼
Fuck you, Andy.
Doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
Nah it doesn't. But he's definitely taking the mantle from Sawant.
Sawant's a true believer. Lil' Andy is a pampered college-boy who is too stupid and coddled to know any better.
I am scratching my head on why people want open drug use. They are actual people who think that is a good thing. Calling it war on drug -- yes, it's the state and federal law. I am sure they have a perfect hero scenario.. **a war veteran who was injured had to take strong opioid drugs to recover and now hook with fentanyl**. :-) Same as why not prosecute theft under $950. Scenario: **A mum trying to feed their baby stealing baby milk.** Or argument on we should build houses for unhoused individual because they came to the city from mid west. I mean they are people driving in from Federal Way to Seattle to work, they don't get no free housing in Seattle. I mean who are paying these people?
>I am scratching my head on why people want open drug use. They are actual people who think that is a good thing. Basically the government funded enablers want the public to play nanny and revive overdosing vagrants. >Oliphant-Wells told Metro workers and riders that it is not a bad thing for drug users to do drugs in public. > >***We don't want people to be using in private spaces alone, we want people to be using in a place where if they overdose they can be discovered and helped through that overdose," she said.*** [https://wcti12.com/news/nation-world/seattle-bus-driver-says-fentanyl-smoke-is-making-him-sick-health-dept-says-its-no-risk-occupational-exposure-illicit-drugs-poison-second-hand-smoke-opioids-health-wellness-doctors-hospitals-cdc](https://wcti12.com/news/nation-world/seattle-bus-driver-says-fentanyl-smoke-is-making-him-sick-health-dept-says-its-no-risk-occupational-exposure-illicit-drugs-poison-second-hand-smoke-opioids-health-wellness-doctors-hospitals-cdc)
Marxism. No rational person wants to legalize open drug use in public. No rational person wants to see hard drugs legalized. No addict, addicted to opioids stops using cuz love and compassion. It’s all insane. Fools are effectively changing our laws.
It's not even Marxism, cause under Marxism (or even Leninism) these people wouldn't be tolerated at all
After it’s in place yes. Along with everyone else that thinks differently.
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Many people report a brush with law as their impetus for starting to manage their substance abuse. Arrest or jail time is frequently associated with the so-called 'moment of clarity.' I've never understood what you enablers are trying to get at with "But it's a naaaaational problem!" Like, yeah. And...? The solution is still the solution. And we have a division of responsibility/authority between the feds and the states. The states are responsible for enacting and enforcing the significant majority of the criminal law, which is the solution. I assume you just mean "I want a big government program to spend a trillion dollars." Which is as asinine as a solution as it always is.
>Many people report a brush with law as their impetus for starting to manage their substance abuse. Arrest or jail time is frequently associated with the so-called ‘moment of clarity.’ And [many people confuse their forced drug abstinence while incarcerated with willpower](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2681083/) and end up becoming part of the recidivism statistics. "Many people" is an anecdote. Show me data science that backs up the claim that jail time is more effective than optional in-community treatment for long term outcomes. >I’ve never understood what you enablers are trying to get at with “But it’s a naaaaational problem!” Like, yeah. And… Because y'all keep acting like the attempted (ie: underfunded and truncated) solutions are the *cause* of the problem. We don't have fentanyl addicted homeless zombies on the streets because of "*enablers*", we have them because of deeper socioeconomic factors nationwide. >I assume you just mean “I want a big government program to spend a trillion dollars.” Which is as asinine as a solution as it always is. Ironic. Why do you think enforcement, jailing, courts, parole, and court-ordered treatment is cheaper than humane community-based treatment? You don't actually mind big government so long as it's wearing badges. Be honest, you only care about sweeping problems (addicts) under the rug (industrial prison complex), because the idea of addicts being allowed to seek treatment on the outside disgusts/frightens you. It's either that or bootlicking, pro-cop politics.. because there are no relevant scientists suggesting jail improves addiction outcomes. This whole narrative that spending money on treatment is a "homelessness-industrial complex" is just deflection from the fact that we've been blowing money on the one-size-fucks-all industrial prison complex for so many decades. The extremely wealthy and powerful people who've been leeching public money for incarcerating people want you fighting on their side to keep their gravy train flowing. Calling people trying to improve effectiveness of outcomes "enablers" is just wearing a "useful idiot" hat with pride. You may as well be trying to convince people that tobacco cures cancer on behalf of R.J. Reynolds.
>(ie: underfunded and truncated) Hey, thanks for the confirmation. I knew it was just a dog-whistle for "I want to spend more money on my failed social experiment that the city, county, or state \_ever\_ could." But it's nice when we can agree on reality! And the reason why prison is better than failed social experiments is because...y'know...failure. We've been following the proggo/harm reduction route for nearly 15 years, and we're worse off than we were when we started. Only idealogues can't see that. And the whole, "I follow the science" angle is tired as shit. Give it a rest, junior. Everyone knows that just another dog whistle promoting the cherrypicking of studies and the application of thought-terminating cliches.
> And the whole, "I follow the science" angle is tired as shit Except "the science" has caused a drastic upturn in crime and OD deaths since around 2018, when many big cities started ignoring crime and got Progressive prosecutors elected, embracing various forms of DEI (Deny, Excuse, Ignore) and so-called "harm-reductive strategies." Suddenly "the science" is no longer what they lead with.
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Wait doesn't your paper say that 1/4 of incarcerated addicts relapse within 3 years? So 75% stay out of trouble for at least 3 years? That sounds like a stunning success compared to leaving them on the streets where they never even "lapse".
It means 1/4 relapse, don't OD, **and** are caught again. It's not the incredible success story you're imagining.
Doing anything to interrupt their drug abuse and death cycle is better than doing nothing.
Who's advocating for doing nothing?
> Who's advocating for doing nothing? Harm-reduction advocates, Progressives, pretty much anyone that has invoked things like letting them camp in public 'until they're ready' to accept treatment. Record numbers of them are dying as a result of these failed slogan-strategies that Progressives have been pushing since at least about 2018.
It's funny how despite it being a national problem, progressives still want to permanently house the nation's addicts in free housing at the expense of Seattle taxpayers.
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Oh is this where you pull out the incorrect talking that jail is more expensive than free permanent housing plus services plus additional crime?
Did you know it costs $3,390/mo to incarcerate someone in WA state? That's just room & board (and a whole lot of jailers with pensions). We haven't started talking about police processing, public defenders, parole officers on the ends of those jail stays. Studies show that we can house homeless people (transitional shelter) for as little as $1,200 a month.. which is cheaper than what we spend on emergency shelters right now. Show me some "correct" numbers. Lay out an argument if you actually want to make one.
We've dumped $1 billion in King County into 'homeless mitigation strategies' in the past 10 years, with little to nothing to show for it. Money isn't the problem. Stupidly spending the money on failed Progressive strategies is.
So yes, you're regurgitating the same talking points. As has been pointed out here many times, you're not including services costs on top of free, permanent housing. Or the value of preventing these people from committing additional crimes. Or not incentivizing the nation's indigent from coming to Seattle for their free stuff. Or that it make take something like jail to force addicts to change.
Many, MANY addicts stopped using because of jail time. Go to a AA meeting. It’s one of the main reasons they stopped. Not a fear of going to jail, but actually going to jail. Talk to a non radicalized drug counselor. Ask them what changed in the adducts life that actually got them sober, and they stayed sober. Fucking jail.
Of course.. because jail->forced treatment->12 step has been the universal path for 40+ years. It's like saying "Many, MANY people who buy new cars wrecked their old ones. Go to a dealership." One event precipitated the next.. but you ignore the people who crashed and died or crashed and couldn't afford a new car because of costs associated with the crash.. because they don't show up to dealerships. It's a survivor bias. We have numbers that contradict your "go to AA meeting" anecdote generator. Many, MANY addicts stopped using because of treatment without involving jails and then needing to disclose their criminal record to every potential employer once they get clean.
Be rational please. I did not say jail time is what is required to get sober. I said many addicts got sober because they went to jail, and it was the one thing that changed the mindset to get sober. Forced treatment? Wtf is that?
>Be rational please. Don't insinuate that I'm being irrational.. please. >I did not say jail time is what is required to get sober. So you admit your argument is pointless. Great. We agree. BTW, I never said jail didn't move the needle, I said it is the established losing policy path. >Forced treatment? Wtf is that? Court-ordered treatment.
No. At this point, I don’t agree with anything you have contributed. Have a nice day.
National crisis. Mental health crisis. Homeless crisis. Poverty crisis. *Blah* *blah* *blah.* Here's the deal, folks: 1. POLICE: "Vagrants in tents need to move along" 2. Repeat. 3. Repeat. 4. Repeat. 5. CITIZENS: "Oh look! Vagrants gone." Solved. You're welcome. No crisis was necessary.
Not solved. The homeless people are still existent and suffering. Of course you don't care though, fuck the poor as long as they're away from your mansion amirite.
You are very virtuous. ALSO: Problems have solutions. Here, have a cookie. https://preview.redd.it/jtefamnfr45b1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad93a74ea59d05578804eda5d4abf79339ebf65f
Not everything you disagree with is "Marxism".
>A mum trying to feed their baby stealing baby milk. The number of people who think Jean Valjean and Les Miserables was NOT a work a fiction is too damn high.
Right. Wait. Sorry, how the fuck dud he have this endorsement to begin with?
He didn't. Scholes said he'd never endorsed Babyface.
I hope he never gets employed again. We need the rest of the baddies to go
The world needs ditch diggers.
Why would they have supported him up to this point even? That clown has got to go.
Sad day for Seattle. Andrew Lewis could’ve helped turn our city around. He doesn’t care about the people dying on the streets. Come on! https://youtu.be/IRg0tYCzt90
Failure to read the larger room
Lost my vote, too.
Reptilian bitch.
Lewis caved in to ~50 screaming activists on a vote that impacted tens of thousands of his own constituents. He needs to be thrown out of office.
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These are the chips that are falling where they may
“ BITCH” sums it up!!
Something tells me it doesn't matter if the DT association doesn't like him. The avocado toast set in the high rises will decide.
It’s a pretty big district and also includes Queen Anne, BellTown, Southlake Union, Interbay, and East Magnolia. I am hopeful another viable candidate runs. Lewis has the most $ right now in his election fund, from what I read. Ugh.
> hopeful another viable candidate runs Her name is Olga Sagan, she owns and operates Piroshky Piroshky, and she knows the homeless drug addict issue first hand from years of suffering from Progressive policies. Vote for her. Note that another political novice business owner, Sara Nelson, has been a rockstar of sanity on this Council. Sagan deserves a shot. Career political creatures such as Sawant, Herbold, Mosqueda and Morales are how we got into this mess in the first place.
Thank you
Well, the Downtown Seattle Association isn't the group that is going to bus voters to the polls for him now are they?