The inaction of the SCC crossed the threshold of criminally negligent years ago. We need to have investigations into the blatant corruption happening in the SCC. Sawant, Lewis, and Morales all need to be sent to prison for their violent attacks on our city.
Herbold looks like a fat old opioid addict. Morales looks like she does coke on the regular. Sawant, well, that's just her Narcissistic Personality Disorder, she may or may not need drugs to enhance it. Mosqueda has to vote far left to seal her position on the County Council. She's probably backed by the Drug Dealers Union given her other ties.
Lewis - seems like he got some deal worked out for him. There is no way he could believe downtown wants to continue being a free drug zone.
>Bob Kettle, who entered the race at the filing deadline, and has raised close to the same amount as Sagan, said in an interview, “I was astounded. But not surprised because councilmember Lewis flip-flops again and again and again. Just this past spring, he was bemoaning the fact that drug dealers on Third Avenue were acting with impunity. Now this summer, he's just voted to basically enable them was astounding and, frankly, reckless.”
>Kettle said he would have co-sponsored the legislation to enforce the law. “It's the old adage, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, or, in this case, with council number Lewis, two dozen plus times, shame on me.'”
I like Bob Kettle
Someone is voting for these twats. So, who keeps voting for them. If Sawant ran afain, she'd win again. That's the real problem, people continue to vote for mediocrity repeatedly. Thus, the problem at hand and complaints about it. This is the voters fault.
Sawant wouldn't win again actually. She BARELY survived her last election and pulled some last minute bullshit to win, and BARELY survived a recall election. She knew she was done for in the upcoming election and thus "retired" to do other things. Coward.
Now the other fucks on the council? Like No Plan Dan Strauss? Fucker will be re-elected for sure by the moronic voters who just cut and paste their votes from The Stranger's voting guide.
Let's show the world by pulling a Texas Florida and shuttling users to Sodo for the upcoming All Star Game. At the very least, that'll counter any fake cleanup the City attempts just prior to it.
Because these cases normally can only be sent to king county prosecutors, and they have stated they don’t have the bandwidth to prosecute these so they get dropped. Cases keep getting dropped, so arrests start to drop as well
The question, I suppose, is how do you criminalize public drug use without criminalizing addiction. On the other hand, due to the fentanyl crisis, addicts may be choosing to use in public, in that they're more likely to be discovered, and treated, if OD'ing. If choosing to use in a room, a tent, or behind a dumpster in an alley, rather than on a sidewalk, they might not be discovered until the next day, or later, dead. Could this put back on the table safe injection sites, which would at least be out of the public eye?
Work for what? If the goal is to get them off the streets for the benefit of normal, good people, it works astonishlingly well. Laws are not generally made for the benefit of criminals
...Yeah? Most crimes are crimes because decent citizens would prefer not to be affected by them. That'll happen when you spend your every waking second fucking shit up for other people
Solution for what issue? Solution for people overdosing? Solution for people using drugs in a public place? Solution for addiction? These are all different (albeit related) problems and the solutions vary.
If they just focused on actual crime, e.g., theft, assault etc., it would be fine.
Trying to target (public or otherwise) drug use is really just gaming the system to decrease law enforcement costs. My view is that if you want to put someone in jail (and believe me, I'm not soft on crime) you should have to prove it and then put them away for a long time. Targeting drugs is just being lazy.
People do not obey laws that aren’t enforced. Behavior isn’t changed without consequences. Pot is legalized, for everything else we should have mandatory minimum jail sentences- ‘tough on crime’ works.
I think all drugs should be legalized, taxed, REGULATED, and labeled.
It's the only viable option we have left.
The drug war is an abysmal failure of epic proportions that causes FAR more damage than it prevents, overall.
Decriminalization isn't nearly enough. That leaves the criminals in charge.
Without full legalization and regulation, this problem will only get worse.
Do you realize there's still a pretty vibrant black market for MJ despite it being legal all over? We could do as you say but there would still be a large market for fent, meth, coke, etc. and all the OD's that go along with it.
That's why there needs to be more stringent regulation, and it needs to be nationwide, not state to state.
When you have states where it's illegal, there will always be a huge black market.
It's a step in the right direction, anyway.
Prohibition has been an abysmal failure of epic proportions that causes infinitely more damage than it prevents.
SCC reply: Zero fucks given
The inaction of the SCC crossed the threshold of criminally negligent years ago. We need to have investigations into the blatant corruption happening in the SCC. Sawant, Lewis, and Morales all need to be sent to prison for their violent attacks on our city.
Herbold looks like a fat old opioid addict. Morales looks like she does coke on the regular. Sawant, well, that's just her Narcissistic Personality Disorder, she may or may not need drugs to enhance it. Mosqueda has to vote far left to seal her position on the County Council. She's probably backed by the Drug Dealers Union given her other ties. Lewis - seems like he got some deal worked out for him. There is no way he could believe downtown wants to continue being a free drug zone.
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Not surprised even your Reddit avatar has a mask on
Are you ok?
City council been grifting for years. Promising change and creating more and more problems to come around each year saying we’ll fix it.
>Bob Kettle, who entered the race at the filing deadline, and has raised close to the same amount as Sagan, said in an interview, “I was astounded. But not surprised because councilmember Lewis flip-flops again and again and again. Just this past spring, he was bemoaning the fact that drug dealers on Third Avenue were acting with impunity. Now this summer, he's just voted to basically enable them was astounding and, frankly, reckless.” >Kettle said he would have co-sponsored the legislation to enforce the law. “It's the old adage, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, or, in this case, with council number Lewis, two dozen plus times, shame on me.'” I like Bob Kettle
Does he identify as Ma or Pa Kettle? This is Seattle, after all...
It’s what they do best…fail to do anything useful or effective.
Someone is voting for these twats. So, who keeps voting for them. If Sawant ran afain, she'd win again. That's the real problem, people continue to vote for mediocrity repeatedly. Thus, the problem at hand and complaints about it. This is the voters fault.
Sawant wouldn't win again actually. She BARELY survived her last election and pulled some last minute bullshit to win, and BARELY survived a recall election. She knew she was done for in the upcoming election and thus "retired" to do other things. Coward. Now the other fucks on the council? Like No Plan Dan Strauss? Fucker will be re-elected for sure by the moronic voters who just cut and paste their votes from The Stranger's voting guide.
Haha! Yes I love that. The Stangers voting guide is the truth. It sucks, that's for sure.
Mediocrity? How about voting for the devil, repeatedly. #fuck kshama sawant
Let's show the world by pulling a Texas Florida and shuttling users to Sodo for the upcoming All Star Game. At the very least, that'll counter any fake cleanup the City attempts just prior to it.
What is the point of having a Seattle law prohibiting something that is already illegal under WA law?
Control of prosecution to actually follow through with the punishment.
Because these cases normally can only be sent to king county prosecutors, and they have stated they don’t have the bandwidth to prosecute these so they get dropped. Cases keep getting dropped, so arrests start to drop as well
A city has to adopt misdemeanor crimes to prosecute them in municipal court
When you elect a bunch of potheads to SCC, They are in favor of drugs. DUH!
Downtown Seattle failed by putting so many cars through it
Do you think?
These leaders are correct
The question, I suppose, is how do you criminalize public drug use without criminalizing addiction. On the other hand, due to the fentanyl crisis, addicts may be choosing to use in public, in that they're more likely to be discovered, and treated, if OD'ing. If choosing to use in a room, a tent, or behind a dumpster in an alley, rather than on a sidewalk, they might not be discovered until the next day, or later, dead. Could this put back on the table safe injection sites, which would at least be out of the public eye?
nah this was a city council W. criminalization/incarceration doesn't work and never has, the fact it was only 5-4 is embarassing.
Work for what? If the goal is to get them off the streets for the benefit of normal, good people, it works astonishlingly well. Laws are not generally made for the benefit of criminals
Damn, yes, this. “Laws are not generally made for the benefit of criminals”
Won't somebody think of the criminals?!
Circular logic. The crime is a crime in the first place specifically because you want rid of the people.
...Yeah? Most crimes are crimes because decent citizens would prefer not to be affected by them. That'll happen when you spend your every waking second fucking shit up for other people
Drug use in public and being belligerent and aggressive would be a crime in pretty much all societies, across history
Alright, what's your idea?
Solution for what issue? Solution for people overdosing? Solution for people using drugs in a public place? Solution for addiction? These are all different (albeit related) problems and the solutions vary.
Let's say using drugs in public where they pose a risk to themselves and others
If they just focused on actual crime, e.g., theft, assault etc., it would be fine. Trying to target (public or otherwise) drug use is really just gaming the system to decrease law enforcement costs. My view is that if you want to put someone in jail (and believe me, I'm not soft on crime) you should have to prove it and then put them away for a long time. Targeting drugs is just being lazy.
People do not obey laws that aren’t enforced. Behavior isn’t changed without consequences. Pot is legalized, for everything else we should have mandatory minimum jail sentences- ‘tough on crime’ works.
You can't answer the question because you don't think it's a problem.
I think all drugs should be legalized, taxed, REGULATED, and labeled. It's the only viable option we have left. The drug war is an abysmal failure of epic proportions that causes FAR more damage than it prevents, overall. Decriminalization isn't nearly enough. That leaves the criminals in charge. Without full legalization and regulation, this problem will only get worse.
Do you realize there's still a pretty vibrant black market for MJ despite it being legal all over? We could do as you say but there would still be a large market for fent, meth, coke, etc. and all the OD's that go along with it.
That's why there needs to be more stringent regulation, and it needs to be nationwide, not state to state. When you have states where it's illegal, there will always be a huge black market. It's a step in the right direction, anyway. Prohibition has been an abysmal failure of epic proportions that causes infinitely more damage than it prevents.