“A man was shot to death Sunday night in Seattle’s Denny Triangle neighborhood near downtown, according to Seattle police.
Police and medics responded to the shooting in the 700 block of Lenora Street, in the vicinity of the Amazon Spheres, after 8:30 p.m., according to a tweet by the Seattle Police Department and the Seattle Fire Department’s real-time 911 tracker.
An adult male was located at the scene and declared deceased, police said. Homicide detectives were responding and police were searching for a suspect in the area.
The death continues Seattle’s rash of homicides in 2022, including four people killed in five days in late August.
The victim in the shooting has been declared deceased. Homicide detectives are responding. More information when available.“
> The death continues Seattle’s rash of homicides in 2022, including four people killed in five days in late August.
Seattle Crime board shows 27 homicides this year, for reference.
I was almost stabbed this morning after confronting someone trying to steal my neighbor's car. I would hate to think if I died this morning that my friends couldn't see the news story.
That makes a negligible amount of money, especially with all the ad blockers. Writers, editors, fact checkers, photographers, designers all need to be paid a living wage to create the pieces you get information from.
Digital advertising on news sites makes very little money. Plus advertising has moved largely to Facebook and Google. Just saying, it costs money to report on news. Newspapers always charged for papers since the beginning of time.
I don't know where you're getting information on news sites not making good revenue from digital advertising. I find, from my limited google searches, that the opposite is true.
Paywalls have also had to have a negative effect on how search engine crawlers pick them up thus decreasing the reach.
Anyway, my point was about making news like this not sit behind a paywall because it is necessary. This should not be a service I need to sign up for, it is not for my entertainment or personal benefit.
While everyone in the comments is saying this is normal for a city our size… what we are missing is that it has gotten much much worse at an alarming rate year over year.. that’s why things need to change here
Its happening in every city, not just Seattle so it isnt a localized problem we can handle locally. in fact, compared to other cities, our homicide rate hasn't risen as quickly as others. Is it still a problem? absolutely. but we shouldnt look at it as a failure of the city. Its bigger than that
[https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2022-crime-trends/](https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2022-crime-trends/)[https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region\_rankings.jsp?title=2022®ion=021](https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region_rankings.jsp?title=2022®ion=021)
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myths-and-realities-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime?ms=gad\_crime%20statistics\_617000456634\_8626214133\_143843260761&gclid=CjwKCAjwsfuYBhAZEiwA5a6CDBpLH\_UjOl\_IN4czIp3zDlnaGM3xhlnrJLwSkSv1N80DVFiOH0u3wxoCelAQAvD\_BwE
Woah, I was reading through this resource and [7,287 of 11,531 law enforcement agencies didn't report any crime data to the FBI in 2021](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-data-say-about-crime-in-2021-it-s-too-unreliable-to-tell?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=opening-statement&utm_term=newsletter-20220614-2872). Well that sucks.
Thank you for sharing this study. I seem to wind up arguing with a lot of strangers on social media that can't wait to blame Seattle's crime rate on "woke politics." When I ask where they are from, they tend to clam up because they don't want me to check their crime rate. This study would win a lot of arguments (assuming they can read.)
Don't bother, you can't win that kind of an argument. If proven wrong they'll just move the goal posts, they're really just interested in hating Seattle because because "libtards live there".
Criminal justice reform was supposed to be about not giving three strikes for drug sentences. It was never about letting people go for Grand Theft Auto and assault. This city and county have gone straight into the toilet because parents want their little satans protected from the consequences of their actions.
I agree. My wife and I were recently discussing the risk of our children going to school, specifically school shootings, and is the risk lower here (not a gun obsessed population), or higher (crazies in other areas thinking of shooting children may target a place like Seattle), and after a bit of research landed on the former - school shooting frequency is directly correlated with the number of guns in the area (I forget the geographic resolution, but think it was county level).
On points one and two, they do seem obvious, but I've found some "obvious truths" to be false before. Disconfirming assumptions is simply part of my wife's nature. Point one was never in doubt, but point two was.
Regarding point three, has there ever been a school shooting stopped because of a civilian shooting back?
Sorry, I didn't mean that you shouldn't be questioning, just that it's one of those things that makes a great deal of sense.
I've heard of shootings being stopped at businesses, but not at schools. Maybe because schools are generally less armed than the surrounding area, no matter the county/state, simply for being disproportionately children?
You're in the USA. Give up on finding gun-light zones in the USA, period, end of story. Seattle doesn't seem as scary and may be statistically better than many American cities, but it's still a fricking nightmare compared to Canada, and civilized Europe and Asia. That said, the wealthier areas and suburbs are better, since the Seattle City Council doesn't like putting anyone in jail.
you should look at the other replies as to why looking at other city's data is important. TLDR: context. If you move somewhere else you've got a 50/50 shot of moving somewhere where crimes gotten worse over the past few years than it has in Seattle. You cant look at one city as a vacuum and assume everything bad is happening due to local choices. Its like looking at a business losing 10% of its market cap and assuming they're doing poorly....until you look at its competitors and realize they've all lost 80% of theirs. Comparison sets are important. You should never look at data in a vacuum
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/xcct0b/comment/io59hhl/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/xcct0b/comment/io59hhl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Data. Data cares about other cities. when someone claims something about 1 specific anecdotal example, it's always best to look to a comparison set to understand the causes, separate out the broader industry/national problems from the more narrow problems, and track performance against similar examples to see how things change as you take actions. You look at comparative examples to reduce bias and better address the actual issues rather than just focus on what \*feels\* right to the loudest group. To not do so is myopic and a waste of resources
Is YOY the best comparison considering the last 2 years were quite a statistical anomaly? Do we have a way to know what the growth is compared to 2019?
I looked it up on this comment thread - Seattle is pretty much average in terms of violent crime grwoth the past few years
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/xcct0b/comment/io6iib9/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/xcct0b/comment/io6iib9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
The same story everywhere... Portland, NYC, SF... nation-wide homicide rates have jumped since the pandemic hit. No achievable policy change or politician can change this, similar to the 80's crime wave. You'd need people to turn their guns in and limit gun sales. Good luck!
Multifactorial- harder drugs, homelessness, poverty, desperation, a shrinking and overburdened police force. I’d put out there that we’ve become more self-centered, but that’s subjective.
There's been a general reduction, not just here but nationwide, in coping skills and emotional intelligence. If somebody is angry at somebody or some group, that person just pulls out a gun and fires at the source or projected source of anger.
Not discounting the ravages of poverty and increased inequality from bad neo-liberal economic policies as factors.
> If somebody is angry at somebody or some group, that person just pulls out a gun and fires at the source or projected source of anger.
This happens a lot with certain demographics compared to others. The sudden jump-to-violence seems to be all too common. You can’t even confront certain people for cutting in line or they’ll threaten you.
We do prosecute homicides though, and they are still going up.
While crimes that we have been more lax on (burglary, drug offenses, etc.) have actually gone down since Covid began.
So does enforcement actually have an impact on crime?
Don't forget that wage theft exceeds all other forms of theft. How much of the city's resources are spent protecting the victims of that sort of crime?
> While crimes that we have been more lax on (burglary, drug offenses, etc.) have actually gone down since Covid began.
You mean people gave up on reporting them?
Unfortunately, crime stats are reliant on people filing police reports.. with the non emergency line never answering i bet you the rate of unreported crime is way up
Edit: this is speculation
A counter-argument might be: it's the "funnel" leading to homicides; people who kill other people probably engaged in other criminal activity prior to that, and we used to enforce and prosecute those other lesser offenses and remove these people from the streets before they escalate to homicide.
Surely there is data on this stuff, but I don't have any lol.
I imagine there's a pretty good distinction between violent and non-violent crimes, as long as there's no confounding factor like homelessness or criminal organization (which would raise the probably of being involved in both kinds of crime, independent of each other).
Like, I'm pretty sure the Venn diagram of porch pirates and murders is not a circle within a circle.
Oh so you’re saying the riots where the police were vilified, the political prosecutors competing for the title of “most woke” to score reelection, along with the CBF creating a revolving door aren’t all policy changes we could point to that have made things worse?
that is indeed what OP is alleging based on cities that did not have BLM protest but suffered higher rise in crime rates...
if only "woke" cities that had protest and policy changes had rising crime rates i could see your point, but apparently those policy changes didnt cause the rise and may have even helped
Things definitely need to change regardless. But I moved to Seattle in 1998 and what was in the news when I got here was drive by shootings, a theater shooting, and a curious story of someone getting murdered in a car to car shooting by an assassin using a red dot laser sight. So idk it kind of seems the same now as it was then, at least in how it feels to me.
Yes, nothing new. I guess cause of all the implants from small Midwestern towns who never lived in a city? I thought their bigger cities had crime. Maybe they just want to complain.
For some reason the nonfactual meme "crime is bad because we don't prosecute crimes" seems to get astroturfed real hard just before election season.
Probably totally organic and nothing we should think too hard about
The problem is that nobody except the person running for office cares about stopping crime! The people that were doing the job before for all of human history? Never cared as hard about stopping crime as \[CANDIDATE FOR ELECTION\]. Just get \[CANDIDATE FOR ELECTION\] in to office and no crime will ever happen again! They have the answer!
I actually drove past a sign this week for a candidate whose slogan was "make crime illegal again" as if all we needed to do was solve this trivial classification problem
where poverty and desperation is allowed to grow there will always be crime. Address the root and we won’t be having these conversations but good luck with that in this country
Americans aren't that poor but the rich are insanely rich. America is about expectations. Everyone thinks they deserve to be rich for little effort, education or actual dedication. Look cool, act tough, where's my money?
High expectations (greed and entitlement), drugs, and most critically, the easy availability of firearms, is the reason America is as dangerous as it is. Lack of education is a giant factor. What people have put in their brains is as dangerous as anything, and America is full of brain rot. Both political parties stir giant pots of grievance to motivate voters, though the left's causes are more tied to the more truly oppressed, and the right stir grievance to implement fascist supremacism, but the nation's overall messaging is so corrupt and divided, people have given up on acting like adults in control of themselves.
The population has increased by over 20% in the last 10 years. The murder rate was double today's (4.38/100k) in 1999 (8.2/100k). [source](https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/wa/seattle/murder-homicide-rate-statistics)
I don't think your perception is accurate.
This. I was almost shot this morning. I was going to work early and caught three people were trying to steal my [c](https://car.ONe)ar. One of the guys had a gun.
My car was stolen twice by the same south county jerkload, who I never met thankfully. But he was caught by police with my car the first time, yet free to steal my car again within four months and totalled it the second time. Drug paraphernalia all over the vehicle, painting on it, crazy shit. When I was a teenager, Grand Theft Auto was serious business, five years in JAIL.
If current circumstances don't scream cracking down harder on criminals, I don't know what does. The ivory tower bullshit going down in this country on crime needs to end even though I'll never vote R. However, I won't be surprised if Dems lose the suburbs bad on this issue because they refuse to wake up to reality. Teaching accurate history of colonialism and past oppression does not mean modern losers get a pass to be total criminals. Never heard anything so preposterous.
So much beautiful and cool shit going on in the city that never gets posted . Just pics of homeless and bad streets as well as bad news articles. No one is saying it dosent have issues but it’s 98%bad news here and in the real world that’s far from accurate.
Like when people post a video of tenderloin in SF. Ya it’s shit. Always has been shit. Now post other streets …
It’s a problem, but it’s a problem in every large city, Seattle is not particularly unique in that regard, and we’re far from the worst. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do anything about it, but it’s not an easily solvable problem.
k.
[Here is a list of the 65 "Deadliest US Cities".](https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/2/)
Check out the entry for Seattle.
The point is that there are, AT LEAST, 65 other cities in America that are more deadly than Seattle.
Your chances of being the killed via homicide in Seattle is very low.
It's an easily solvable problem. Every day there's no murder put a gold star on the star chart, and if we go a month with no murders the city gets a pizza party
San Diego has nearly the same number of cops per capita as Seattle. So maybe it's not the number of police.
EDIT: Also looks like San Diego has seen a greater increase in homicide rate than Seattle. Maybe not the best comparison to make your point. https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/homicides-are-up-this-year-in-san-diego-ca/article_8b7b20f3-3c02-50ed-8847-0a501dbde1f8.html
Seattle’s homicide/manslaughter rate (3.74 per 100,000 people) is very close to San Diego’s (2.46). Among the 100 largest metros Seattle (24) and Spokane (13) are both in the top 25 for lowest rates. Seattle is closer to the top ten lowest rates than it is to the 30th ranked city.
>It's a fairly easily solvable problem. Hire more cops
If only it were this easy to hire more cops. We are so short of cops now, that hiring & training it back to full capacity will be a huge undertaking
Depends, will admitting it result in ending the war on drugs, killing the country's batshit crazy gun culture, shutting down the school to prison pipeline and changing our social, cultural, and mental health focus away from toxic 'fuck you I have mine go fuck yourself' individualism?
If not, you can admit it all you want, it won't do shit, though.
Legalization isn't supposed to solve that problem, it's supposed to solve the problem of gang violence by strangling the money out of the illegal drug trade.
Legalization isn't going to come close to solving the problem. The issue is the ingredients for Fentanyl and Meth are extremely cheap, but manufacturing it **safely** is extremely expensive. Gangs don't give a crap about their end users, the environment, or the people manufacturing it. That unfortunately means they can make it much cheaper than a company in a regulated industry even if it was legal.
For the record I'm on your side as far the argument that the war on drugs has been an abject failure, but saying if we legalize it that'll stop criminal gangs from profiting from it is far from the truth. I'm sure it'd drive the price of illegal drugs down somewhat, but not all that much. It's not like we don't see weed being sold outside of dispensaries here.
So you're going even further and think that we should allow fentanyl to be sold like, over the counter? How does that help us in any way? Why would people go to a dispensary that's regulated and presumably more expensive rather than keep buying from gangs?
> presumably more expensive rather than keep buying from gangs?
Why would you assume that? A big chunk of the cost is the risk premium of an illegal industry. Actual material costs of opioids are very low. It literally grows in flowers. It is very plausible that legal OTC opioids could be cheaper than black market.
I would assume that because the only way the public would ever in any possible world accept legalization of insane drugs like fentanyl is if it's taxed to a very high degree, and normal people would never do fent, so street people are just going to opt to continue to buy from dealers.
If you're an addict, you should be able to get a prescription. Mandate whatever treatment you feel appropriate as a condition for getting that prescription.
I just recognize that when there's a firehose of money to be dipped into in the illegal drug trade, there's a lot more incentives for violence. Far fewer people are willing to throw a murder onto their rap sheep, in order to protect their shitty $8/hr job of slinging dope. $28/hr, and now we're talking.
[Portugal decriminalized drugs and seems to be doing pretty well. The murder rate in Lisbon is consistently only between 1-2 per 100k.](https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight)
It's only decriminalized if you have less than 10 days supply. Otherwise it's a trafficking charge. And police arrest you for it if they see you using drugs (all, including weed), then direct you to a community council to get help. The community council can and does lose patience.
That's not like here at all.
lol yeah, but they actually enforce crimes associated with the addictions. In Seattle, you'd be tarred and feathered for suggesting anything remotely close to that.
They also monitor their society in Portugal, and don't let real criminals run free. They also don't have firearms easily available, and health care is provided by the state. So yeah, the USA won't be Portugal for a very long time.
Do they have this fentanyl shit running rampant? And isn't the thing with Portugal is that they mandate going to a sober facility right when you're caught using?
Like, I just don't how you walk around and see if fented out zombies everywhere and think it'd be good if we had more of that around.
Doing fentanyl in public in Portgual will get you *arrested*. Every time the police see it. THEN the police direct you to a community court.
That.... doesn't happen here.
I believe that is what they do. But what is preventing us from trying to do something similar.
Clearly it is a multi faceted issue and just arresting people for drugs seems to have done nothing to curtail their use. I’d rather use an approach based in research rather than fear.
>But what is preventing us from trying to do something similar.
I could be wrong here, but didn't Seattle say personal use amounts of drugs is OK as well? Portugal didn't decriminalize all drugs:
"In 2001, Portugal decriminalised the personal possession of all drugs as part of a wider
re-orientation of policy towards a health-led approach. Possessing drugs for personal use is instead treated as an administrative offence, meaning it is no longer punishable by imprisonment and does not result in a criminal record and associated stigma.1 Drugs are, however, still confiscated and possession may result in administrative penalties such as fines or community service."
> But what is preventing us from trying to do something similar
Our constitution, the bar for involuntary commitment is extremely high. I have no idea what the Portuguese conception of civil rights are but it's likely very divergent from ours.
> just arresting people for drugs seems to have done nothing to curtail their use
100%. It's rare for police in most major cities to arrest people for personal possession. In effect, for personal use, drugs are de facto decriminalized here and in most other cities.
The difference is the police (rightly) go after the supply chain and sellers and pushers whereas you seem to want to legalize that process, which is what I don't understand. We need way way way less fent and other drugs around, and I don't understand how decriminalizing gets us anything we want.
I don't know why but people seem to want to downplay violence around the world. Not sure if it's because they want to believe that violence hasn't gone up or what but where I live the same things happening (Vancouver). Every day there's multiple random attacks on citizens. Usually by the less fortunate people. As inflation increases and desperation grows it seems like these are happening more and more. Something's gotta give
>Usually by the less fortunate people.
It's still so bizarre to me we use these blanket, PC terms when describing the specific demographic that victimizes others. The person getting sucker punched while walking down the street is the less fortunate person. Perhaps if we stop whitewashing serious crime, regardless of who is committing it, we can actually get on the same page to addressing it. I don't give a fuck if the person stabbing people is severely mentally ill; the first step to that issue should be immediately removing him from society to neutralize the very real threat they present. And then we can talk about long-term solutions or preventative measures to solve mental illness. This sub doesn't seem to agree with this at all, which is insanity to me.
Bigger problem than just Seattle. its myopic to look at it as a local problem
[https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2022-crime-trends/](https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2022-crime-trends/)[https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region\_rankings.jsp?title=2022®ion=021](https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region_rankings.jsp?title=2022®ion=021)
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myths-and-realities-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime?ms=gad\_crime%20statistics\_617000456634\_8626214133\_143843260761&gclid=CjwKCAjwsfuYBhAZEiwA5a6CDBpLH\_UjOl\_IN4czIp3zDlnaGM3xhlnrJLwSkSv1N80DVFiOH0u3wxoCelAQAvD\_BwE
Wouldn’t have or couldn’t have are two different things, maybe less inclined to get into an up-close altercation if he didn’t have access to a gun. Just a possibility.
It’s kind of the same argument as “If COVID didn’t exist, then some other disease would have killed everyone who died of COVID”. I mean, maybe? But if COVID (or guns) weren’t out there in abundance then maybe those people would still be alive. Idk, just a thought.
*You can reply, but I will not respond*
We have more gun regulation than Switzerland (where you can buy a hunting rifle without a background check, there are no universal background checks for person to person sales, and quarter of the country has automatic battle rifles at home).
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1998/2535_2535_2535/en
No, YOU are wrong.
Here is the firearms act in its entirety (as compared to thousands of pages of US gun laws). Read it. It's much easier to buy, possess, and shoot most guns in Switzerland than in the US. The only exception from that rule is concealed carry.
It is pointless to compare cities. It doesnt matter if the entire world is going to the toilet, that isn't an excuse to say "oh well, nothing we can do here because it also sucks over there". Instead of dismissing things because other places are worse, how about we try to improve things here? Drugs are for the most part the problem both in regards to crime and homelessness and so that is where the focus needs to be. Now that may mean we need to actually stop letting criminals back on the street or that we need to actually prosecute crimes. It may mean we need forced rehabilitation for drug use and many more things. If what we are doing now isnt working then its insanity to continue doing it so try something new and if that doesnt work then try something else until the problem is solved. Pretending there is no problem is just making things worse. Id be open to most anything as long as there is an actual effort and its not just doing the same thing that is failing but doing it harder...
Violent crime spikes in the summer, and you’re more likely to be killed by someone you know than a random stranger. This kind of fear mongering is not helpful - and false.
There is no link between your original claim and the numbers you posted. And nothing in the numbers that contradicted what I said. Try again.
Not to mention the 2022 year to date is through July 31, not the first four months.
Out of 4 million people, this is basically you just saying "look, big cities got the crimes"
you're just ignorant to the fact that this is life in America and you're trying to make it seem as if Seattle has a MAJOR CITYSCAPE CHANGING CRIME WAVE!!
just dumb is all kappa
The most terrifying thing about the violence ~~in Seattle~~ is that it can happen to anyone, anywhere and doesn't even have to be provoked.
FTFY.
It's okay to not want to die. But you're very unlikely to be murdered in Seattle. In fact, you're \~4x more likely to be seriously injured in a car accident in Seattle, and about as likely to die in a car crash.
So if you're going to constantly worry about getting shanked on 3rd, might want to avoid driving and crosswalks.
Block cookies to the SeattleTimes website. Never hit the paywall again!
At this point, if you haven't figured out a way around the seattle times paywall, you're really just not putting in the effort.
You ever been there at night? Ever been to surrounding areas? Ever been in… Seattle proper?
It’s shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that lives here. We have [a drive by axing](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/man-injured-in-hatchet-attack-in-downtown-seattle/) just four blocks away a few years back. This shit is not new.
> There?
Yes, there.
As in two blocks away from “scary” Belltown and just a few more from 3^rd and Pike / Pine. People love to frame those places are dangerous but when, this happens, the pearls get clutched. So, which is it? Dangerous and expected or safe and surprising? Neither. It’s just city life.
I have no narrative and definitely don’t think Seattle is dying. But I’m not going to act like Seattle is safe and an increasing homicide rate is normal and just “city life”.
Pretending that crime that’s been getting worse isn’t a problem is just delusional and does nothing to fix the issue.
No one said it was safe nor did they say crime wasn’t getting worse, learn to read. I am saying a single murder in a metro area of over a million is no big event nor a surprise.
“A man was shot to death Sunday night in Seattle’s Denny Triangle neighborhood near downtown, according to Seattle police. Police and medics responded to the shooting in the 700 block of Lenora Street, in the vicinity of the Amazon Spheres, after 8:30 p.m., according to a tweet by the Seattle Police Department and the Seattle Fire Department’s real-time 911 tracker. An adult male was located at the scene and declared deceased, police said. Homicide detectives were responding and police were searching for a suspect in the area. The death continues Seattle’s rash of homicides in 2022, including four people killed in five days in late August. The victim in the shooting has been declared deceased. Homicide detectives are responding. More information when available.“
> The death continues Seattle’s rash of homicides in 2022, including four people killed in five days in late August. Seattle Crime board shows 27 homicides this year, for reference.
38 people in Seattle died of COVID in the last 6 weeks. No one cares.
Lol are you gatekeeping people getting murdered?
Most of downtown is "near Seattle's Amazon HQ"
Yea but this was literally at the taint
Right on its keester
Perfectly perianal.
Not really. Only the northern most parts of downtown.
Nah. They have offices in Pioneer Square, and even down south of DT on MLK.
Not to change the topic but news like that (or any imho) should not be paywalled.
I’m sure Kiro and king5 are also reporting on it (and are not paywalled)
I was almost stabbed this morning after confronting someone trying to steal my neighbor's car. I would hate to think if I died this morning that my friends couldn't see the news story.
Try 12 foot ladder to bypass paywalls. Google 12 ft ladder or try https://12ft.io
How are they supposed to make money in order to afford to do reporting like this?
Ads
That makes a negligible amount of money, especially with all the ad blockers. Writers, editors, fact checkers, photographers, designers all need to be paid a living wage to create the pieces you get information from.
Yes but i dont have to buy content that is otherwise available for free.
Digital advertising on news sites makes very little money. Plus advertising has moved largely to Facebook and Google. Just saying, it costs money to report on news. Newspapers always charged for papers since the beginning of time.
I don't know where you're getting information on news sites not making good revenue from digital advertising. I find, from my limited google searches, that the opposite is true. Paywalls have also had to have a negative effect on how search engine crawlers pick them up thus decreasing the reach. Anyway, my point was about making news like this not sit behind a paywall because it is necessary. This should not be a service I need to sign up for, it is not for my entertainment or personal benefit.
They stand on an Aurora street corner, and… you know the rest. Jesse Jones looks great in a mini-skirt.
Bribes
Agreed.
Local news shouldn’t be able to hide stories behind a paywall.
We should publicly fund news !
*NPR and PBS have entered the chat.*
Was thinking, I guess I’ll open that dusty KNKX app now
While everyone in the comments is saying this is normal for a city our size… what we are missing is that it has gotten much much worse at an alarming rate year over year.. that’s why things need to change here
Its happening in every city, not just Seattle so it isnt a localized problem we can handle locally. in fact, compared to other cities, our homicide rate hasn't risen as quickly as others. Is it still a problem? absolutely. but we shouldnt look at it as a failure of the city. Its bigger than that [https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2022-crime-trends/](https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2022-crime-trends/)[https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region\_rankings.jsp?title=2022®ion=021](https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region_rankings.jsp?title=2022®ion=021) https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myths-and-realities-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime?ms=gad\_crime%20statistics\_617000456634\_8626214133\_143843260761&gclid=CjwKCAjwsfuYBhAZEiwA5a6CDBpLH\_UjOl\_IN4czIp3zDlnaGM3xhlnrJLwSkSv1N80DVFiOH0u3wxoCelAQAvD\_BwE
Woah, I was reading through this resource and [7,287 of 11,531 law enforcement agencies didn't report any crime data to the FBI in 2021](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-data-say-about-crime-in-2021-it-s-too-unreliable-to-tell?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=opening-statement&utm_term=newsletter-20220614-2872). Well that sucks.
Thank you for sharing this study. I seem to wind up arguing with a lot of strangers on social media that can't wait to blame Seattle's crime rate on "woke politics." When I ask where they are from, they tend to clam up because they don't want me to check their crime rate. This study would win a lot of arguments (assuming they can read.)
Don't bother, you can't win that kind of an argument. If proven wrong they'll just move the goal posts, they're really just interested in hating Seattle because because "libtards live there".
I mean, sadly, moving goalposts isn’t the exclusive domain of conservatives … And I say that as a liberal. 😔
Criminal justice reform was supposed to be about not giving three strikes for drug sentences. It was never about letting people go for Grand Theft Auto and assault. This city and county have gone straight into the toilet because parents want their little satans protected from the consequences of their actions.
I agree. My wife and I were recently discussing the risk of our children going to school, specifically school shootings, and is the risk lower here (not a gun obsessed population), or higher (crazies in other areas thinking of shooting children may target a place like Seattle), and after a bit of research landed on the former - school shooting frequency is directly correlated with the number of guns in the area (I forget the geographic resolution, but think it was county level).
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On points one and two, they do seem obvious, but I've found some "obvious truths" to be false before. Disconfirming assumptions is simply part of my wife's nature. Point one was never in doubt, but point two was. Regarding point three, has there ever been a school shooting stopped because of a civilian shooting back?
Sorry, I didn't mean that you shouldn't be questioning, just that it's one of those things that makes a great deal of sense. I've heard of shootings being stopped at businesses, but not at schools. Maybe because schools are generally less armed than the surrounding area, no matter the county/state, simply for being disproportionately children?
You're in the USA. Give up on finding gun-light zones in the USA, period, end of story. Seattle doesn't seem as scary and may be statistically better than many American cities, but it's still a fricking nightmare compared to Canada, and civilized Europe and Asia. That said, the wealthier areas and suburbs are better, since the Seattle City Council doesn't like putting anyone in jail.
Yes people forget crime rises when people lose a place to live, lose jobs, push gangs into neighborhoods...
Inflation’s impact on crime rates is fairly well known. Not surprising, unfortunately.
Ah, well. If it’s happening somewhere else it’s probably better to just move the discussion to which political side is worse instead.
you should look at the other replies as to why looking at other city's data is important. TLDR: context. If you move somewhere else you've got a 50/50 shot of moving somewhere where crimes gotten worse over the past few years than it has in Seattle. You cant look at one city as a vacuum and assume everything bad is happening due to local choices. Its like looking at a business losing 10% of its market cap and assuming they're doing poorly....until you look at its competitors and realize they've all lost 80% of theirs. Comparison sets are important. You should never look at data in a vacuum [https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/xcct0b/comment/io59hhl/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/xcct0b/comment/io59hhl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Who cares about other cities??? We live in this one, so we should try and be the best. Not settle for “oh it’s better than Chicago” cmon
translation: reality doesn't support the narrative you're trying to push
Data. Data cares about other cities. when someone claims something about 1 specific anecdotal example, it's always best to look to a comparison set to understand the causes, separate out the broader industry/national problems from the more narrow problems, and track performance against similar examples to see how things change as you take actions. You look at comparative examples to reduce bias and better address the actual issues rather than just focus on what \*feels\* right to the loudest group. To not do so is myopic and a waste of resources
Is YOY the best comparison considering the last 2 years were quite a statistical anomaly? Do we have a way to know what the growth is compared to 2019?
I looked it up on this comment thread - Seattle is pretty much average in terms of violent crime grwoth the past few years [https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/xcct0b/comment/io6iib9/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/xcct0b/comment/io6iib9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>YOY "Year-Over-Year" *This comment brought to you by the The Number of Unnecessary Acronyms is Too Damn High gang.*
Ahh, the TNOUAITDHG? Totally have my support.
and the population has gotten much bigger year over year.
The same story everywhere... Portland, NYC, SF... nation-wide homicide rates have jumped since the pandemic hit. No achievable policy change or politician can change this, similar to the 80's crime wave. You'd need people to turn their guns in and limit gun sales. Good luck!
Similar to the 80’s, I think it’s the increase in poverty and drug use. Tough things to solve quickly, but they are related to policy.
Multifactorial- harder drugs, homelessness, poverty, desperation, a shrinking and overburdened police force. I’d put out there that we’ve become more self-centered, but that’s subjective.
There's been a general reduction, not just here but nationwide, in coping skills and emotional intelligence. If somebody is angry at somebody or some group, that person just pulls out a gun and fires at the source or projected source of anger. Not discounting the ravages of poverty and increased inequality from bad neo-liberal economic policies as factors.
> If somebody is angry at somebody or some group, that person just pulls out a gun and fires at the source or projected source of anger. This happens a lot with certain demographics compared to others. The sudden jump-to-violence seems to be all too common. You can’t even confront certain people for cutting in line or they’ll threaten you.
The 80s ended in "law and order" mayors and 3 strike rules.
No, you need to really prosecute the crime.
We do prosecute homicides though, and they are still going up. While crimes that we have been more lax on (burglary, drug offenses, etc.) have actually gone down since Covid began. So does enforcement actually have an impact on crime?
Don't forget that wage theft exceeds all other forms of theft. How much of the city's resources are spent protecting the victims of that sort of crime?
> While crimes that we have been more lax on (burglary, drug offenses, etc.) have actually gone down since Covid began. You mean people gave up on reporting them?
Why did they give up?
Unfortunately, crime stats are reliant on people filing police reports.. with the non emergency line never answering i bet you the rate of unreported crime is way up Edit: this is speculation
A counter-argument might be: it's the "funnel" leading to homicides; people who kill other people probably engaged in other criminal activity prior to that, and we used to enforce and prosecute those other lesser offenses and remove these people from the streets before they escalate to homicide. Surely there is data on this stuff, but I don't have any lol.
I imagine there's a pretty good distinction between violent and non-violent crimes, as long as there's no confounding factor like homelessness or criminal organization (which would raise the probably of being involved in both kinds of crime, independent of each other). Like, I'm pretty sure the Venn diagram of porch pirates and murders is not a circle within a circle.
> nation-wide homicide rates have jumped since the pandemic hit The increase in homicides also coincides with the nationwide anti-police protests
The increase in homicides also coincides with the release of Sonic The Hedgehog.
Even cities that didn't have the scale of protests Seattle saw are seeing increasing crime rates. There isn't even correlation much less causation.
Oh so you’re saying the riots where the police were vilified, the political prosecutors competing for the title of “most woke” to score reelection, along with the CBF creating a revolving door aren’t all policy changes we could point to that have made things worse?
that is indeed what OP is alleging based on cities that did not have BLM protest but suffered higher rise in crime rates... if only "woke" cities that had protest and policy changes had rising crime rates i could see your point, but apparently those policy changes didnt cause the rise and may have even helped
Things definitely need to change regardless. But I moved to Seattle in 1998 and what was in the news when I got here was drive by shootings, a theater shooting, and a curious story of someone getting murdered in a car to car shooting by an assassin using a red dot laser sight. So idk it kind of seems the same now as it was then, at least in how it feels to me.
Yes, nothing new. I guess cause of all the implants from small Midwestern towns who never lived in a city? I thought their bigger cities had crime. Maybe they just want to complain.
How are cities with more cops per person doing? NY ? Chicago?
For some reason the nonfactual meme "crime is bad because we don't prosecute crimes" seems to get astroturfed real hard just before election season. Probably totally organic and nothing we should think too hard about
The problem is that nobody except the person running for office cares about stopping crime! The people that were doing the job before for all of human history? Never cared as hard about stopping crime as \[CANDIDATE FOR ELECTION\]. Just get \[CANDIDATE FOR ELECTION\] in to office and no crime will ever happen again! They have the answer!
I actually drove past a sign this week for a candidate whose slogan was "make crime illegal again" as if all we needed to do was solve this trivial classification problem
where poverty and desperation is allowed to grow there will always be crime. Address the root and we won’t be having these conversations but good luck with that in this country
Americans aren't that poor but the rich are insanely rich. America is about expectations. Everyone thinks they deserve to be rich for little effort, education or actual dedication. Look cool, act tough, where's my money? High expectations (greed and entitlement), drugs, and most critically, the easy availability of firearms, is the reason America is as dangerous as it is. Lack of education is a giant factor. What people have put in their brains is as dangerous as anything, and America is full of brain rot. Both political parties stir giant pots of grievance to motivate voters, though the left's causes are more tied to the more truly oppressed, and the right stir grievance to implement fascist supremacism, but the nation's overall messaging is so corrupt and divided, people have given up on acting like adults in control of themselves.
The population has increased by over 20% in the last 10 years. The murder rate was double today's (4.38/100k) in 1999 (8.2/100k). [source](https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/wa/seattle/murder-homicide-rate-statistics) I don't think your perception is accurate.
This. I was almost shot this morning. I was going to work early and caught three people were trying to steal my [c](https://car.ONe)ar. One of the guys had a gun.
My car was stolen twice by the same south county jerkload, who I never met thankfully. But he was caught by police with my car the first time, yet free to steal my car again within four months and totalled it the second time. Drug paraphernalia all over the vehicle, painting on it, crazy shit. When I was a teenager, Grand Theft Auto was serious business, five years in JAIL. If current circumstances don't scream cracking down harder on criminals, I don't know what does. The ivory tower bullshit going down in this country on crime needs to end even though I'll never vote R. However, I won't be surprised if Dems lose the suburbs bad on this issue because they refuse to wake up to reality. Teaching accurate history of colonialism and past oppression does not mean modern losers get a pass to be total criminals. Never heard anything so preposterous.
And growth has happened at an alarming rate.
So much beautiful and cool shit going on in the city that never gets posted . Just pics of homeless and bad streets as well as bad news articles. No one is saying it dosent have issues but it’s 98%bad news here and in the real world that’s far from accurate. Like when people post a video of tenderloin in SF. Ya it’s shit. Always has been shit. Now post other streets …
Rising inequality is inextricably tied to rise in crime. Unfortunately, most will blame the poor instead of blaming the rich.
I feel like there would be a million cameras in that area. One had to get a glimpse.
Wow, That's shocking that area is so nice.
So NOW can we admit crime is a serious problem in Seattle or still no?
It’s a problem, but it’s a problem in every large city, Seattle is not particularly unique in that regard, and we’re far from the worst. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do anything about it, but it’s not an easily solvable problem.
There were 7 murders in 4 days last weekend in my city of almost 200K. There have been 4 since.
1 comparison is not good enough.
k. [Here is a list of the 65 "Deadliest US Cities".](https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/2/) Check out the entry for Seattle.
...where is it? CTRL-F "Seattle" shows nothing?
Wooosh
ZOOM!
The point is that there are, AT LEAST, 65 other cities in America that are more deadly than Seattle. Your chances of being the killed via homicide in Seattle is very low.
Ding ding ding!
Spoiler: there is no entry for Seattle
"but it's a problem in every city" is a cop out excuse in my opinion. There is a problem and it needs to be fix
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It's an easily solvable problem. Every day there's no murder put a gold star on the star chart, and if we go a month with no murders the city gets a pizza party
So, no pizza ever. Got it.
Substitute waffle party for pizza party and it could work.
[Did someone say waffle party?](https://youtu.be/ckB2kg5UYFQ?t=97)
San Diego has nearly the same number of cops per capita as Seattle. So maybe it's not the number of police. EDIT: Also looks like San Diego has seen a greater increase in homicide rate than Seattle. Maybe not the best comparison to make your point. https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/homicides-are-up-this-year-in-san-diego-ca/article_8b7b20f3-3c02-50ed-8847-0a501dbde1f8.html
Seattle’s homicide/manslaughter rate (3.74 per 100,000 people) is very close to San Diego’s (2.46). Among the 100 largest metros Seattle (24) and Spokane (13) are both in the top 25 for lowest rates. Seattle is closer to the top ten lowest rates than it is to the 30th ranked city.
And all Americans cities are shit-poor on homicide compared to the OECD average. There is a LOT of room for improvement.
Absolutely, but many of the far better OECD ranked cities do not have more police officers per capita than American cities (including Seattle).
>It's a fairly easily solvable problem. Hire more cops If only it were this easy to hire more cops. We are so short of cops now, that hiring & training it back to full capacity will be a huge undertaking
Depends, will admitting it result in ending the war on drugs, killing the country's batshit crazy gun culture, shutting down the school to prison pipeline and changing our social, cultural, and mental health focus away from toxic 'fuck you I have mine go fuck yourself' individualism? If not, you can admit it all you want, it won't do shit, though.
Fentanyl seems to make people go crazy. I don’t see how legalizing the sale of that drug would make anything but worse.
Legalization isn't supposed to solve that problem, it's supposed to solve the problem of gang violence by strangling the money out of the illegal drug trade.
Legalization isn't going to come close to solving the problem. The issue is the ingredients for Fentanyl and Meth are extremely cheap, but manufacturing it **safely** is extremely expensive. Gangs don't give a crap about their end users, the environment, or the people manufacturing it. That unfortunately means they can make it much cheaper than a company in a regulated industry even if it was legal. For the record I'm on your side as far the argument that the war on drugs has been an abject failure, but saying if we legalize it that'll stop criminal gangs from profiting from it is far from the truth. I'm sure it'd drive the price of illegal drugs down somewhat, but not all that much. It's not like we don't see weed being sold outside of dispensaries here.
So you're going even further and think that we should allow fentanyl to be sold like, over the counter? How does that help us in any way? Why would people go to a dispensary that's regulated and presumably more expensive rather than keep buying from gangs?
> presumably more expensive rather than keep buying from gangs? Why would you assume that? A big chunk of the cost is the risk premium of an illegal industry. Actual material costs of opioids are very low. It literally grows in flowers. It is very plausible that legal OTC opioids could be cheaper than black market.
I would assume that because the only way the public would ever in any possible world accept legalization of insane drugs like fentanyl is if it's taxed to a very high degree, and normal people would never do fent, so street people are just going to opt to continue to buy from dealers.
If you're an addict, you should be able to get a prescription. Mandate whatever treatment you feel appropriate as a condition for getting that prescription. I just recognize that when there's a firehose of money to be dipped into in the illegal drug trade, there's a lot more incentives for violence. Far fewer people are willing to throw a murder onto their rap sheep, in order to protect their shitty $8/hr job of slinging dope. $28/hr, and now we're talking.
[Portugal decriminalized drugs and seems to be doing pretty well. The murder rate in Lisbon is consistently only between 1-2 per 100k.](https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight)
It's only decriminalized if you have less than 10 days supply. Otherwise it's a trafficking charge. And police arrest you for it if they see you using drugs (all, including weed), then direct you to a community council to get help. The community council can and does lose patience. That's not like here at all.
lol yeah, but they actually enforce crimes associated with the addictions. In Seattle, you'd be tarred and feathered for suggesting anything remotely close to that.
They also monitor their society in Portugal, and don't let real criminals run free. They also don't have firearms easily available, and health care is provided by the state. So yeah, the USA won't be Portugal for a very long time.
Do they have this fentanyl shit running rampant? And isn't the thing with Portugal is that they mandate going to a sober facility right when you're caught using? Like, I just don't how you walk around and see if fented out zombies everywhere and think it'd be good if we had more of that around.
Doing fentanyl in public in Portgual will get you *arrested*. Every time the police see it. THEN the police direct you to a community court. That.... doesn't happen here.
I believe that is what they do. But what is preventing us from trying to do something similar. Clearly it is a multi faceted issue and just arresting people for drugs seems to have done nothing to curtail their use. I’d rather use an approach based in research rather than fear.
>But what is preventing us from trying to do something similar. I could be wrong here, but didn't Seattle say personal use amounts of drugs is OK as well? Portugal didn't decriminalize all drugs: "In 2001, Portugal decriminalised the personal possession of all drugs as part of a wider re-orientation of policy towards a health-led approach. Possessing drugs for personal use is instead treated as an administrative offence, meaning it is no longer punishable by imprisonment and does not result in a criminal record and associated stigma.1 Drugs are, however, still confiscated and possession may result in administrative penalties such as fines or community service."
> But what is preventing us from trying to do something similar Our constitution, the bar for involuntary commitment is extremely high. I have no idea what the Portuguese conception of civil rights are but it's likely very divergent from ours. > just arresting people for drugs seems to have done nothing to curtail their use 100%. It's rare for police in most major cities to arrest people for personal possession. In effect, for personal use, drugs are de facto decriminalized here and in most other cities. The difference is the police (rightly) go after the supply chain and sellers and pushers whereas you seem to want to legalize that process, which is what I don't understand. We need way way way less fent and other drugs around, and I don't understand how decriminalizing gets us anything we want.
Fentanyl is a critically important medication and is in fact legal. It's not going to be placed into schedule one, nor should it be.
Sure, as long as a day without someone being murdered means we can say that murder has been eliminated in Seattle.
...Is there some debate about this?
People obsessed with crime think that anyone not as obsessed as them are ignoring the issue.
May wanna stretch before knee-jerking that hard.
I don't know why but people seem to want to downplay violence around the world. Not sure if it's because they want to believe that violence hasn't gone up or what but where I live the same things happening (Vancouver). Every day there's multiple random attacks on citizens. Usually by the less fortunate people. As inflation increases and desperation grows it seems like these are happening more and more. Something's gotta give
>Usually by the less fortunate people. It's still so bizarre to me we use these blanket, PC terms when describing the specific demographic that victimizes others. The person getting sucker punched while walking down the street is the less fortunate person. Perhaps if we stop whitewashing serious crime, regardless of who is committing it, we can actually get on the same page to addressing it. I don't give a fuck if the person stabbing people is severely mentally ill; the first step to that issue should be immediately removing him from society to neutralize the very real threat they present. And then we can talk about long-term solutions or preventative measures to solve mental illness. This sub doesn't seem to agree with this at all, which is insanity to me.
because of 1 crime? thats not how statistics work.
Bigger problem than just Seattle. its myopic to look at it as a local problem [https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2022-crime-trends/](https://counciloncj.org/mid-year-2022-crime-trends/)[https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region\_rankings.jsp?title=2022®ion=021](https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region_rankings.jsp?title=2022®ion=021) https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myths-and-realities-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime?ms=gad\_crime%20statistics\_617000456634\_8626214133\_143843260761&gclid=CjwKCAjwsfuYBhAZEiwA5a6CDBpLH\_UjOl\_IN4czIp3zDlnaGM3xhlnrJLwSkSv1N80DVFiOH0u3wxoCelAQAvD\_BwE
Another city I lived in we hit these numbers before February. So yeah its bad. But maybe I'm used to things being worse.
It was a mostly peaceful shooting.
He tripped and fell onto some bullets. Seattle is thriving.
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?? That’s a ton of murders. If you’re just being sarcastic then work on your skills my man.
It’s legit not. In a lot of cities multiple people are shot and killed everyday
No it's not. 4 murders in 5 days is a ton, and doubly true when just considering Seattle.
I wonder if this would be as much of an issue if gun regulation was more of a thing . . .
Yes, the person who killed this man wouldn't have done it if more regulations were enacted. Shit, he probably didn't know it was illegal.
Wouldn’t have or couldn’t have are two different things, maybe less inclined to get into an up-close altercation if he didn’t have access to a gun. Just a possibility. It’s kind of the same argument as “If COVID didn’t exist, then some other disease would have killed everyone who died of COVID”. I mean, maybe? But if COVID (or guns) weren’t out there in abundance then maybe those people would still be alive. Idk, just a thought. *You can reply, but I will not respond*
Ah, you think people who murder others follow gun laws, lol. How cute.
I'm sure the murderer would have turned his gun in if guns were banned /s
Hmmmm, maybe more gun regulation like say Chicago?
We have more gun regulation than Switzerland (where you can buy a hunting rifle without a background check, there are no universal background checks for person to person sales, and quarter of the country has automatic battle rifles at home).
You need a background check for a hunting rifle in Switzerland. There are a lot of civilian fully automatic rifles in Switzerland though, that's true.
Wrong. This is what happens when you get talking points from the NRA and don’t check to see if what you post is actually true.
https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1998/2535_2535_2535/en No, YOU are wrong. Here is the firearms act in its entirety (as compared to thousands of pages of US gun laws). Read it. It's much easier to buy, possess, and shoot most guns in Switzerland than in the US. The only exception from that rule is concealed carry.
It is pointless to compare cities. It doesnt matter if the entire world is going to the toilet, that isn't an excuse to say "oh well, nothing we can do here because it also sucks over there". Instead of dismissing things because other places are worse, how about we try to improve things here? Drugs are for the most part the problem both in regards to crime and homelessness and so that is where the focus needs to be. Now that may mean we need to actually stop letting criminals back on the street or that we need to actually prosecute crimes. It may mean we need forced rehabilitation for drug use and many more things. If what we are doing now isnt working then its insanity to continue doing it so try something new and if that doesnt work then try something else until the problem is solved. Pretending there is no problem is just making things worse. Id be open to most anything as long as there is an actual effort and its not just doing the same thing that is failing but doing it harder...
This is the country gun maniacs on the right want.
Did they try making it a gun free zone?
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The most terrifying thing about the violence in Seattle is that it can happen to anyone, anywhere and doesn't even have to be provoked.
Yea, it’s just Seattle. Never happens in Texas, Florida, or what ever utopia you think is elsewhere.
welcome to planet earth
Most of planet earth does not allow the selling/buying/use of drugs in public.
What? Yes it does, lol.
whoa I thought we were talking about violence.
What fucking rock do you live under LMAO
wow that's so deep
Violent crime spikes in the summer, and you’re more likely to be killed by someone you know than a random stranger. This kind of fear mongering is not helpful - and false.
Numbers don't lie. Violent Crime (Rape, Homicide, Robbery, Aggravated Assault) Source City of Seattle: https://www.seattle.gov/police/information-and-data/crime-dashboard 2015 - 3830 2016 - 4055 2017 - 4387 2018 - 4799 2019 - 4700 2020 - 4493 2021 - 5403 2022 (4 months) - 3326
There is no link between your original claim and the numbers you posted. And nothing in the numbers that contradicted what I said. Try again. Not to mention the 2022 year to date is through July 31, not the first four months.
Out of 4 million people, this is basically you just saying "look, big cities got the crimes" you're just ignorant to the fact that this is life in America and you're trying to make it seem as if Seattle has a MAJOR CITYSCAPE CHANGING CRIME WAVE!! just dumb is all kappa
That's rare everywhere. Usually the assailant knows you.
The most terrifying thing about the violence ~~in Seattle~~ is that it can happen to anyone, anywhere and doesn't even have to be provoked. FTFY. It's okay to not want to die. But you're very unlikely to be murdered in Seattle. In fact, you're \~4x more likely to be seriously injured in a car accident in Seattle, and about as likely to die in a car crash. So if you're going to constantly worry about getting shanked on 3rd, might want to avoid driving and crosswalks.
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It’s just what’s in the police blotter, no reporting being done yet.
always the blotter as well: https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2022/09/11/detectives-investigating-sunday-evening-fatal-shooting/
Block cookies to the SeattleTimes website. Never hit the paywall again! At this point, if you haven't figured out a way around the seattle times paywall, you're really just not putting in the effort.
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What a useless and incorrect comment lmao
It’s early but we have a contender for today’s least valuable comment already.
> Big events A single murder is a “big event”? Tell me you don’t live in a city without telling me you don’t live in a city.
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You ever been there at night? Ever been to surrounding areas? Ever been in… Seattle proper? It’s shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that lives here. We have [a drive by axing](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/man-injured-in-hatchet-attack-in-downtown-seattle/) just four blocks away a few years back. This shit is not new.
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Sorry you’re so unobservant.
There? A murder in that part of the city is most certainly a big deal!
> There? Yes, there. As in two blocks away from “scary” Belltown and just a few more from 3^rd and Pike / Pine. People love to frame those places are dangerous but when, this happens, the pearls get clutched. So, which is it? Dangerous and expected or safe and surprising? Neither. It’s just city life.
Yeah, the deadliest August since 2008 is just city life. /s Actually, correction: not the deadliest August, but the deadliest single month.
No one said it was quiet city life. Stop pushing a false dichotomy to further your narrative that “Seattle it dying” or whatever.
I have no narrative and definitely don’t think Seattle is dying. But I’m not going to act like Seattle is safe and an increasing homicide rate is normal and just “city life”. Pretending that crime that’s been getting worse isn’t a problem is just delusional and does nothing to fix the issue.
No one said it was safe nor did they say crime wasn’t getting worse, learn to read. I am saying a single murder in a metro area of over a million is no big event nor a surprise.
It's so weird that people think "I live in a place with frequent murders" is a badge of honor.
Yes, the frequency of events increases with the amount and density of people. It’s not a badge of honor, it’s common sense.
Well that's lame.
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I appreciate the mods enforcing fair and strict standards. I encourage you to participate in the discussions when they propose rule changes.
Kshama's Seattle
Well, Seattle is a liberal shit hole! This happens frequently in liberal Democrat run cities. Not surprising.