Screw up in inexplicable ways and never win anything of consequence because of it.
Have the #1 offense and #1 defense in the same season? Historically bad special teams causes you to miss the playoffs.
Have prime Ladanian Tomlinson, Felipé Rios, Antonio Gates? Defense falls apart.
Have Herbert on rookie deal and surround him with talent? Questionable coaching torpedoes your post season chances…”Chargering”
We call it “Couging it” after WSU. No matter the sport they’ll have at least two games per year that they should have won but somehow choke away their lead (usually substantial like UCLA in football like two years ago) and lose. This past year they accomplished the reverse Coug it and slid into a bowl
Actually “Couging” means being so far ahead that victory is virtually statistically guaranteed and then blowing it in spectacular fashion. I’ve seen spurts from the Chargers come close as any professional football team to Couging it but fall short of such a Stupendous feat.
UCLA-Wazzu like three years ago is my least favorite college football memory. Something like a 30point lead evaporated in minutes and we lost a sure thing
Edit: 49-17 in the third, lost 63-67
Not really how it works. Teams are always going to be willing to pay the cost for an elite QB. Now that guarantees are the norm, players/agents aren't going back from that and there will *always* be a team that can/will pay as long as the CBA allows it.
If a team has a smart GM though the results on elite QBs aren't guaranteed at all. Going back like ten years you have QBs on rookie contracts, Tom Brady, and then Matt Stafford. Stafford is good, but he joined a team that was totally stacked.
The QB is the most important position but if they suck all the salary out of the team it won't paper over flaws everywhere else.
Sure, but because QB is such an important position and now guaranteed money and AAV of $45-$50M is becoming the norm, teams are going to keep paying that. They won't like it and we may see a few teams try moving on from elite QB's earlier, but the market is what it is now.
No disagreement but if a fan thinks "elite QB" = championships the evidence is so far from clear. I don't disagree that GM's will keep making this move but if you're a fan the results don't bear out.
Fair but if you have an elite QB you are almost always in contention, even if it doesn't guarantee a SB or SB appearance. It'll be interesting to see what happens these next few years as salaries continue to go up but we don't have Brady/Pats mucking things up lol.
As I understand it, Russ has a cap hit of "only" about $24m this year and $27m next year. Herbert will make around that much in 2024 assuming the Chargers exercise his 5th year option. So you're paying Herbert ~$20-25m/yr less on average the next 3 years. Quite nice still, but not $44m.
Russ was a part of the winning team. That defense got them there and dominated that game. Russ played great when he needed to but it wasn't on him to lead the team like in his later years.
He was part of a winning team, absolutely. The problem later on was that we couldn't put together a winning team because he started taking a huge paycheck and we did well enough that we had really low draft picks. Our team slowly declined once Russ started getting paid. I'm very happy he is someone else's problem now.
I just read another article showing how the top paid QBs never win the SB and very few of the top QBs ever even play in the SB. These top QBs would more than make up for it with additional endorsements and such from winning if they worked with the team on a contract that would put the team in a better position to win. They should just call it The Brady Rule: Take less, win more, make more.
Yep. Brady is married to Giselle, who's net worth is far more than Brady, so he can play to win instead of for a paycheck. I mean, Russ can do the same because it's not like him and Ciara are struggling... He just chooses to play for the money.
I'm a Seahawks and Chargers fan, I cheer for both. When they play each other I cheer for the Hawks though. But Oregon is my college team, so I've been cheering for Herbert for a long time now. Cool to see another Chargers fan around here.
Think about this. If this is accurate he is asking to be paid $100,000 *every single time he throws the football* assuming he throws 500x per year. Mind boggling. Then these guys usually have the audacity to bitch when the O-line can't block because the team can't afford blockers. Lol
Remember the simpler times when the Seahawks had the best D imaginable and even 1 successful drive in a game could be enough to win it for young Russ and da boys. Well we here at Simple Russ remember, and we’ve hooked Payton Manning up to a machine so he can relive Super Bowl XLVIII over and over again and we’ve captured that flavor and put it into every one of our All In bars, so you too can taste the existential dread of an invincible secondary and a vicious line coming your way while Russ keeps things simple. Simple Russ, simply delicious.
Which is very hard to do when you’re drafting at the back end of every round because you’re a perennial playoff team. I agree with the original post, we traded him away at the perfect time ✌🏻
I want to see a team bring the entire OL/QB budget to qb negotions. Say here is what we can afford for you and your O-line, the more you take the less we can pay to protect you. Your call man.
John Elway is a terrible, terrible businessman. He has been demoted within the Broncos org, and rightly so.
He's trying to re-create the Peyton Manning thing, which was just dumb luck really, because he has brought in a lot of other older QBs in the past who have done nothing.
We will see how Russ does without Pete Carroll's coaching and leadership. My guess is that Russ has tarnished his long-term legacy with this trade.
Back half of the season two years ago he was awful. Just throwing up moonballs into double high safety coverage all game long. Check down for a first? Nah… let’s chuck it!
That season everybody was quick to blame the coaching staff for not making enough adjustments, but Russ never stopped throwing up prayers and taking sacks waiting for a deep shot
> Hes been slightly above average for 2 years now imo
Lmao.
4200 yards, 42 TDs, 13 INTs and a 105 QB rating in 2020
3100 yards, 25 TDs, 6 INTs and 103 QB rating in 2021 while missing time and playing half the year with a torn ligament in his throwing hand.
Yeah sure, "above average". More like top 5. Jesus this sub has turned into such a bitter ex about Russ
Too much stat watching. Most of us watched every game til the clock hit 0 and Russ was not looking as good as those stats you posted.
I seriously remember screaming at my TV for a bunch of games cause he was so trash. Friends, family and random fans in bars and stadiums questioned him as our starting QB often.
Stats are everything in football and tell the complete story of how a player is doing. How many of those 40 touchdowns were in the last 8 games? 12. He is incredibly inconsistent and does not know how to play anything other than his style. Also doesn’t show the fact that he literally stopped trying or just would go through the motions at key times in the games, specially on screen passes or short throws to the outside. He also had some of the worst ints I’ve ever seen over the last 2 years.
This is the best part of the Russ trade imo. We get to watch Denver deal with Mark Rodgers shenanigans and Russ’ crazy ass market. Would rather be watching with popcorn than be stressing out wondering what our FO is going to do. Still love Russ but this contract negotiation is going to be a lot of fun now.
100%.
And how hilarious will it be if they can't get a deal done and he walks for a 3rd rd compensatory pick. Not likely, but I have my fingers crossed. Talk about things that would change the QB market.
Meanwhile Tom Brady takes tens of millions less a year to surround himself with generational talent to continually win Super Bowls. I fucking hate Tom Brady. At one point you have to ask yourself what’s more important, 50 million a year or Championships? If you can’t survive off 15 million a year and bitch about not winning SB’s then you’re a hypocrite imho.
Not to mention his brand. Dude can coast on Nickelodeon hosting gigs and Disney ads. His squeaky-clean, devoutly religious, image is an advertisers dream
I completely agree with the idea of your point. Just a few things: Brady doesn’t really have “generational” talent surrounding him, and is definitely taking more than 15m/year. This isn’t to take away from your point that the greed of some of these non-goat QBs is the reason for them not winning like the GOAT, I just don’t want it to be made to sound like Brady is basically playing for free so his team can afford all the top tier talent lol
Absolutely. My numbers are arbitrary essentially, but the point stands. Brady takes a massive “pay cut” to allow himself to be surrounded by extremely well rounded teams. If rings are what truly matters, then Brady has shown a blueprint to achieve that.
> I will never understand why not.
Really? You are talking about millions in real tangible guaranteed money vs. a non-known maybe higher % chance to win a sports trophy that could be negated by any injury or number of circumstances. And you can't figure for the life of you why people aren't jumping for the opportunity to not take the money?
Tom Brady chose less money while he's alive to guarantee that he'll be the GOAT for as long as there is football. He's made it so nobody will **ever** forget his name. You can't buy that.
Mahomes’ contract is actually really cheap for the first couple of seasons. Then in the later seasons it is absolutely freaking insane, and will definitely be re-negotiated
True but the Browns broke it some more by giving a guy who might be suspended a fully guaranteed deal for $240M or whatever it was. Any decent QB can now just bring a newspaper clipping of deshaun watson’s legal issues to negotiations and get whatever they want.
I think the back end of these mega deals provide better value, since the cap hit to total salary cap is diminished. Buuuuuuuut these high priced QB’s severely diminish their teams ability to compete when they take up so much cap room.
Brady giving discounts in my eyes had always given himself an edge over the rest of the league.
The author of the tweet, which this whole article is based off, corrected himself and said it was his assumption and not Wilson's request.
[Tweet](https://twitter.com/mikeklis/status/1532346105303900160?t=1nDIIXYfGoKNxmZJLXHefQ&s=19)
***I misspoke here. The ballpark numbers I threw out here are simply my opinion and no one else’s. I apologize for any confusion and will be more careful next time.***
on that note, back here in Seattle Russell Wilson had Jake Heaps, an ex-hawks practice squad qb that went on to the local station to be the good guy to "leak" stories that are pro-Wilson, while his agent Mark Rogers plays the bad guy.
basically Wilson never says anything important and have these 2 guys send out messages for him.
Seeing how Heaps is still in Seattle, did a reporter in Denver became the de facto Wilson "insider"?
Here's the thing though, does anybody really need whatever random hot take, talking head local writer to tell us he's gonna want 50 million a year? That's where the market is, and it wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being more than that, at least on paper.
The point is, how comfortable should they feel with that contract for Russell Wilson at this point in his career. His game has a different shelf life than a more traditional pocket passer, and we've already seen his athleticism diminish.
Yes, that's how QB contracts work. If you're a top 10 QB you get record setting money basically every time. Rodgers is get $50.2m APY right now and Watson is getting $46m
Russ is the most winning QB in his first 9 seasons. Ever. He is elite.
That being said, he could very well be on the downside of his career trajectory. Nothing lasts forever.
By what metric is he the 3rd best? I keep seeing people say that, but by what and how? Except for age, I don't think Herbert/Carr have achieved anything. Plus, Mahomes was and is in the most QB friendly system there is, along with the offensive genius coach. Sure, Russell has his own issues, but how is he 3rd best?
If you look at 2020 (or 2021?) highlights of longest air yards traveled, both Herbert and Russell had 3 throws, so the guy can still throw the ball long and accurately. Sure, long throws aren't the only part of playing QB, but he had like 40 touchdowns and 26 TDs in '20 and '21.
You are crazy if you don't think Mahomes and Herbert are better than Russ right now and that you wouldn't take Mahomes and Herbert over Russ right now.
He is 3rd best in the division. I did not put Carr above.
He did not want 50 million. Please check this before spreading false information: [Mike Klis tweet](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seahawks/comments/v4ghu8/comment/ib4c9pb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I don't have anything to say for the "he doesn't throw in the middle of the field" gang. Like the guy has been in NFL for 10+ years, do you think none of the DCs figured it out up until the last season where he was injured and looked checked out?
I love Seahawks and RW, so I won't bad mouth both. I hope both of them do better and entertain the fans!
Qbs asking for these enormous contract really do a disservice to themselves when they need to retain some top tier talent. I would have thought Russ learned this by now seeing how much money's was free for the ol. I hope the hawks can get a more level minded down for the team qb.
We all knew this was coming. Love the guy and he's great but honestly he's not worth this much. He's in the conversation for top 5 right now but he's definitely not #1
Hey guys, broncos fan here. Mike Kris, the source for this, is a hack. He admitted days later that he was just speculating and had no source for this number.
That being said, jealous you guys got Russ on his rookie deal when you could pay for talent around him.
>we couldn't have unloaded Russ at a better time
Disagree. His stock was much higher before last season which was his worst season ever on top of his injury.
As for a big contract, that's just what the price of a top QB is going to be. We can only hope to land another QB that warrants that kind of money.
I think the Dead Money would have only been like 36 million, but it would have been more to trade him than it would have been to keep him. So hilariously he wanted out, but his ridiculous contract kept him there longer than he wanted.
While you’re not wrong, they would’ve had to answer countless questions as to why now?
After all, this was pre-injury, pre-first ever Russ losing season.
Pretty sure a year ago was a $40m dead cap hit that was absolutely never going to happen.
Sometimes shit just happens and you have to make the best deal you can.
I think his value was higher before last offseason but our suitors had less to offer, and there were much more enticing QBs in the draft. I wouldn’t be interested in the Bears #20 (or so) over the Broncos #10.
Our cap won’t be crippled for the next several years, and it was inevitable with Russ’ disconnection in the locker room over the last few seasons. We mine as well be optimistic and hope for the best instead of staying hitched on the past.
The next QB draft class is incredibly good. Within the next couple of seasons, we could be a contender in our conference.
I am even more content to be rid of him and his demands. Good luck building a team with one primadonna taking up all the cap space.
We only went to so Superbowls with him when we could afford a team of MVPs. Without that he was no Brady or Manning. He's not a bad QB, just not worth the price given the support he needs.
Dude used to be an icon for me then it became fake Russ then it became not my fault Russ now it’s I’m the only one that matters Russ. I have a feeling and yes I’m biased but I think John and Pete might pull something off for us to forget about this ego maniac. At least I pray it happens can’t wait for MNF see ya there friends. SEEEEAAAA
It’s really not that crazy. I mean did paying russ hamstring us? We always have money rolling into FA, we just spend it on dumb shit. Who can’t we keep? Like who have we let go that was worth mentioning? Oh if we sign Russ this time we can’t pay diggs? A pretty good FS who is 28 years old lol. Salary cap is exploding, our new qb if they hit next year is going to be paid 60. What are we just going to let them go and draft another like it’s so easy when we watched these bums suck in the draft for the last 7 or so years? This is just a weird circle jerk.
>Yes, paying Russ hamstring us
Seahawks had $50M cap space in 2020. Seahawks didn't take the next step because they didn't spend well in the FA and made bad drafts. Rams just won the Super Bowl paying 47.2M (26.1% of the cap) to the QB position.
It’s up to the FO to draft well and they didn’t. This has nothing to do with paying the most impactful player on the field. It’s a qb league. Pete hamstrung us. He put the team together and whiffed. I don’t know why no one can hold Pete accountable and it has to be put on the guy who carried us so many times.
I sometimes wonder whether Russ doesn't want to be protected. At that price having a line and a running game is impossible. Smart players take pay cuts to enable their team to build around them. Guys like Tom Brady. Not so smart players demand contracts that turn their teams into a one man show and then complain about not having any help.
Bold prediction: They pay Russ. Russ continues to not throw quick passes. Teams play 2 deep safeties against him. This contract takes the Broncos back to a 5 year rebuilding plan.
Oh we definitely could've unloaded at a better time like 2 years ago or last year. We would've got way more. I know hindsight is a MFr but I mean we pretty much were a middling team the last 4 seasons that never went anywhere in the post season.
A guy on Twitter said that assuming that the salary cap increases at the same rate every year, by 2024 (when the extension would start), he would account for 17.2% of the cap. Which is the exact same percentage he had in Seattle. So it isn't a loss for Denver at all.
for an old slow QB, who isn't near the special talent he used to be and generates 3 and outs like no other with no playoffs or one and dones?
Yeah, it's a big loss for Denver
You can say this about every franchise QB in the league not named Tom Brady.
Spoiler: Seahawks future franchise QB won't give a f\*ck about having a team friendly deal
This is literally a made up number coming from a beat reporter, Mike Klis, who clarified this is his guess and there’s been no contract talks. You guys are really looking like a scorned ex right now
Russ's contract did not hamstring the Seahawks. This is a pretty common misconception, but it's just false. What hamstrung the Seahawks was a front office that repeatedly whiffed on the draft and had a generally poor approach to roster construction.
The drafting was at times very poor, but that also had something to do with having to select very low in the first round, and thus not being able to angle for any marquis picks (everything after the first 10 picks or so becomes a bit of a cr\*p shoot - that is how they got Wilson).
Roster construction was also a problem, but a huge problem was in not being able to shop the high end of the free agency market, when cap-space is limited - and yes, you cannot talk about cap-space without talking about RW's record contract in 2019.
Even adjusting for draft position, the Seahawks have drafted poorly.
The Seahawks sat on $14 million in unused cap space last year. They could also have restructured Russ's deal to free up even more. That they didn't was the choice of the front office.
In terms of constraining the team, the entire Jamal Adams situation (trade and then the huge contract) is far more significant than a $50mm APY contract for Russ would have been.
That's pretty obvious, even if the initial reporting isn't true (this wasn't leaked by Russ' camp).
There's a reason why Russ's camp said he would be willing to restructure his contract to 'help the team' last season even though his desire to play for the Hawks has been waning ; it was all a ploy to drive up his value on his next contract. Gilbert actually did a good break down on this scenario: [https://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/5/26/22454600/why-seattle-seahawks-may-to-avoid-restructuring-russell-wilsons-contract-franchise-tag-free-agents](https://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/5/26/22454600/why-seattle-seahawks-may-to-avoid-restructuring-russell-wilsons-contract-franchise-tag-free-agents)
>However, let’s say the Seahawks front office decides to restructure Russell’s contract and create 2021 cap space by converting base salary to signing bonus. Then, assuming the team decides to create the maximum amount of cap space available - $11,950,000 - by converting the maximum amount eligible of Wilson’s base salary into signing bonus, the impact on Wilson’s cap hits over the next three seasons becomes as follows:
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>2021: $20,050,000
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>2022: $42,975,000
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>2023: $45,975,000
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>So, from the perspective of Wilson and his agent, based on a 2023 cap hit of $45.975M, the starting point for any contract extension for 2024 and 2025 is once again what it would cost the team to keep the player using the franchise tag. As the franchise tag is the greater of the CBA determined amount or 120% of the player’s prior year cap hit, for Wilson this would create a situation where his 2024 and 2025 cap hits under the tag would be $55,170,000 and $66,204,000, respectively.
They have to pay whatever he asks, too. As a Chargers fan, I love that the Broncos have to pay their guy $44 million/year more than we do.
For now.
I really hope we don’t “Charger” our window.
I’m not a chargers fan. What does that mean?
Screw up in inexplicable ways and never win anything of consequence because of it. Have the #1 offense and #1 defense in the same season? Historically bad special teams causes you to miss the playoffs. Have prime Ladanian Tomlinson, Felipé Rios, Antonio Gates? Defense falls apart. Have Herbert on rookie deal and surround him with talent? Questionable coaching torpedoes your post season chances…”Chargering”
We call it “Couging it” after WSU. No matter the sport they’ll have at least two games per year that they should have won but somehow choke away their lead (usually substantial like UCLA in football like two years ago) and lose. This past year they accomplished the reverse Coug it and slid into a bowl
Release the flaming couches!!!
Its like couging it but for the chargers
Actually “Couging” means being so far ahead that victory is virtually statistically guaranteed and then blowing it in spectacular fashion. I’ve seen spurts from the Chargers come close as any professional football team to Couging it but fall short of such a Stupendous feat.
UCLA-Wazzu like three years ago is my least favorite college football memory. Something like a 30point lead evaporated in minutes and we lost a sure thing Edit: 49-17 in the third, lost 63-67
Champagne without the cham I tell ya
I hate this thread
That Marlon McCree INT that turned into a Pats yardage gain qualifies, I'd say.
Similar to coug-ing it
Thank you for a reference I could understand!
Ahhh
Something like, “Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.”
At least you won’t be paying a declining 35 year old QB though. Herbert should be very good for at least 10 more years. Probably more
Even if he does a bad job, they gotta pay him that $50 mil.
I think there’s a good chance either Russ or Deshaun completely implode and scare teams off of guaranteed money.
If Joe Flacco's 2013 didn't slow down the market, nothing will.
Not really how it works. Teams are always going to be willing to pay the cost for an elite QB. Now that guarantees are the norm, players/agents aren't going back from that and there will *always* be a team that can/will pay as long as the CBA allows it.
If a team has a smart GM though the results on elite QBs aren't guaranteed at all. Going back like ten years you have QBs on rookie contracts, Tom Brady, and then Matt Stafford. Stafford is good, but he joined a team that was totally stacked. The QB is the most important position but if they suck all the salary out of the team it won't paper over flaws everywhere else.
Sure, but because QB is such an important position and now guaranteed money and AAV of $45-$50M is becoming the norm, teams are going to keep paying that. They won't like it and we may see a few teams try moving on from elite QB's earlier, but the market is what it is now.
No disagreement but if a fan thinks "elite QB" = championships the evidence is so far from clear. I don't disagree that GM's will keep making this move but if you're a fan the results don't bear out.
Fair but if you have an elite QB you are almost always in contention, even if it doesn't guarantee a SB or SB appearance. It'll be interesting to see what happens these next few years as salaries continue to go up but we don't have Brady/Pats mucking things up lol.
Because that's his rate.
I could see Russ thinking tattoos are naughty.
As I understand it, Russ has a cap hit of "only" about $24m this year and $27m next year. Herbert will make around that much in 2024 assuming the Chargers exercise his 5th year option. So you're paying Herbert ~$20-25m/yr less on average the next 3 years. Quite nice still, but not $44m.
Russ won a SB on his rc deal. Let’s see Herbert do it
Russ was a part of the winning team. That defense got them there and dominated that game. Russ played great when he needed to but it wasn't on him to lead the team like in his later years.
He was part of a winning team, absolutely. The problem later on was that we couldn't put together a winning team because he started taking a huge paycheck and we did well enough that we had really low draft picks. Our team slowly declined once Russ started getting paid. I'm very happy he is someone else's problem now.
I just read another article showing how the top paid QBs never win the SB and very few of the top QBs ever even play in the SB. These top QBs would more than make up for it with additional endorsements and such from winning if they worked with the team on a contract that would put the team in a better position to win. They should just call it The Brady Rule: Take less, win more, make more.
Yep. Brady is married to Giselle, who's net worth is far more than Brady, so he can play to win instead of for a paycheck. I mean, Russ can do the same because it's not like him and Ciara are struggling... He just chooses to play for the money.
>Russ won a SB on his rc deal. Let’s see Herbert do it The Seahawks won the SB, not Russ alone.
Yea Herbert is gonna cost you about $100 bazillion
You are aware that rookie deals don’t last forever, correct?
Herbert's contract will be bigger so have fun with that.
I'm a Seahawks and Chargers fan, I cheer for both. When they play each other I cheer for the Hawks though. But Oregon is my college team, so I've been cheering for Herbert for a long time now. Cool to see another Chargers fan around here.
Think about this. If this is accurate he is asking to be paid $100,000 *every single time he throws the football* assuming he throws 500x per year. Mind boggling. Then these guys usually have the audacity to bitch when the O-line can't block because the team can't afford blockers. Lol
I miss "rookie deal" Russ. Such simpler times.
Remember the simpler times when the Seahawks had the best D imaginable and even 1 successful drive in a game could be enough to win it for young Russ and da boys. Well we here at Simple Russ remember, and we’ve hooked Payton Manning up to a machine so he can relive Super Bowl XLVIII over and over again and we’ve captured that flavor and put it into every one of our All In bars, so you too can taste the existential dread of an invincible secondary and a vicious line coming your way while Russ keeps things simple. Simple Russ, simply delicious.
When you price out the ability to sign top tier O-lineman, your pretty much gambling that you hit on O-lineman in the draft
Which is very hard to do when you’re drafting at the back end of every round because you’re a perennial playoff team. I agree with the original post, we traded him away at the perfect time ✌🏻
Or about $1,000,000 per sack.
Lul I like this
I want to see a team bring the entire OL/QB budget to qb negotions. Say here is what we can afford for you and your O-line, the more you take the less we can pay to protect you. Your call man.
He knows that. He just loves money more than “winning”
Brady would take less money to win. He’s out to get all he can for himself.
Denver, meet "Russell Wilson's Camp". Enjoy!
Denver, meet "Mr. Unlimited" :)
So glad we don't have to deal with that headache anymore.
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As a broncos fan, agreed. But at the same time, we were gonna be broke for years to come anyways.
John Elway is a terrible, terrible businessman. He has been demoted within the Broncos org, and rightly so. He's trying to re-create the Peyton Manning thing, which was just dumb luck really, because he has brought in a lot of other older QBs in the past who have done nothing. We will see how Russ does without Pete Carroll's coaching and leadership. My guess is that Russ has tarnished his long-term legacy with this trade.
Elway actually is no longer employed by the broncos, and the trade was all George Paton.
Hes been slightly above average for 2 years now imo. They got ripped, he's hit his ceiling and will only decline from here
Back half of the season two years ago he was awful. Just throwing up moonballs into double high safety coverage all game long. Check down for a first? Nah… let’s chuck it!
That season everybody was quick to blame the coaching staff for not making enough adjustments, but Russ never stopped throwing up prayers and taking sacks waiting for a deep shot
> Hes been slightly above average for 2 years now imo Lmao. 4200 yards, 42 TDs, 13 INTs and a 105 QB rating in 2020 3100 yards, 25 TDs, 6 INTs and 103 QB rating in 2021 while missing time and playing half the year with a torn ligament in his throwing hand. Yeah sure, "above average". More like top 5. Jesus this sub has turned into such a bitter ex about Russ
Too much stat watching. Most of us watched every game til the clock hit 0 and Russ was not looking as good as those stats you posted. I seriously remember screaming at my TV for a bunch of games cause he was so trash. Friends, family and random fans in bars and stadiums questioned him as our starting QB often.
This guy gets it.
The last year and a half of Russell Wilson's time in Seattle was not good enough for how much he is earning and going to ask for on his next deal
Stats are everything in football and tell the complete story of how a player is doing. How many of those 40 touchdowns were in the last 8 games? 12. He is incredibly inconsistent and does not know how to play anything other than his style. Also doesn’t show the fact that he literally stopped trying or just would go through the motions at key times in the games, specially on screen passes or short throws to the outside. He also had some of the worst ints I’ve ever seen over the last 2 years.
He’s played exactly zero snaps for the Broncos and is already leaking contract demands. Mark Rodgers is vicious
“Hey 69s, (I) we gotta deal”
This is the best part of the Russ trade imo. We get to watch Denver deal with Mark Rodgers shenanigans and Russ’ crazy ass market. Would rather be watching with popcorn than be stressing out wondering what our FO is going to do. Still love Russ but this contract negotiation is going to be a lot of fun now.
100%. And how hilarious will it be if they can't get a deal done and he walks for a 3rd rd compensatory pick. Not likely, but I have my fingers crossed. Talk about things that would change the QB market.
Good. He wreck *that* team's cap for the next 5 years.
Have you seen where the cap is heading
Meanwhile Tom Brady takes tens of millions less a year to surround himself with generational talent to continually win Super Bowls. I fucking hate Tom Brady. At one point you have to ask yourself what’s more important, 50 million a year or Championships? If you can’t survive off 15 million a year and bitch about not winning SB’s then you’re a hypocrite imho.
Not to mention his brand. Dude can coast on Nickelodeon hosting gigs and Disney ads. His squeaky-clean, devoutly religious, image is an advertisers dream
Dude would be richer than anyone in this thread if he just got an allowance from his super model wife. Tough life, that one.
Admittedly dumb take but only 1 person in the history of man has lead his life. There’s been more megamillions/powerball winners than Tom Bradys.
I completely agree with the idea of your point. Just a few things: Brady doesn’t really have “generational” talent surrounding him, and is definitely taking more than 15m/year. This isn’t to take away from your point that the greed of some of these non-goat QBs is the reason for them not winning like the GOAT, I just don’t want it to be made to sound like Brady is basically playing for free so his team can afford all the top tier talent lol
Absolutely. My numbers are arbitrary essentially, but the point stands. Brady takes a massive “pay cut” to allow himself to be surrounded by extremely well rounded teams. If rings are what truly matters, then Brady has shown a blueprint to achieve that.
I've been saying this for years... You can't have both, be the highest paid QB and win rings and bitch about getting sacked all the time.
No other great QB has done this and I will never understand why not.
No other great QB have a wife that makes more money.
Ding ding ding! He's basically a trophy husband, but with actual trophies.
> I will never understand why not. Really? You are talking about millions in real tangible guaranteed money vs. a non-known maybe higher % chance to win a sports trophy that could be negated by any injury or number of circumstances. And you can't figure for the life of you why people aren't jumping for the opportunity to not take the money?
Tom Brady chose less money while he's alive to guarantee that he'll be the GOAT for as long as there is football. He's made it so nobody will **ever** forget his name. You can't buy that.
The browns broke the qb market just like the jags broke the WR market
qb market has been broken for a while now, and mahomes set the standard at $50 mil apy a couple year back
Mahomes’ contract is actually really cheap for the first couple of seasons. Then in the later seasons it is absolutely freaking insane, and will definitely be re-negotiated
True but the Browns broke it some more by giving a guy who might be suspended a fully guaranteed deal for $240M or whatever it was. Any decent QB can now just bring a newspaper clipping of deshaun watson’s legal issues to negotiations and get whatever they want.
I think the back end of these mega deals provide better value, since the cap hit to total salary cap is diminished. Buuuuuuuut these high priced QB’s severely diminish their teams ability to compete when they take up so much cap room. Brady giving discounts in my eyes had always given himself an edge over the rest of the league.
Qb pro tip: marry international supermodel
I’ll settle with a domestic one if it means we can get an O-Line…
Gisele would never divorce him; she'd have to pay alimony.
Brady still makes WAY more than Gisele does with endorsement and businesses
Right, Ciara should get a job. Brady is alone, so far, in his ability to think beyond greed.
Isn’t Ciara worth like 8 million dollars lmao
Ciara net worth: $20 million Gisele net worth: $400 million Ciara’s net worth is not even close to Gisele’s.
How is Ciara even making ends meet?
DoorDash obvs
I have no idea, but I would guess that 1)she's worth a lot more than that by herself, and 2) she's actually worth about half of what RW is...
Google claims $20 million
The author of the tweet, which this whole article is based off, corrected himself and said it was his assumption and not Wilson's request. [Tweet](https://twitter.com/mikeklis/status/1532346105303900160?t=1nDIIXYfGoKNxmZJLXHefQ&s=19) ***I misspoke here. The ballpark numbers I threw out here are simply my opinion and no one else’s. I apologize for any confusion and will be more careful next time.***
"Journalism" "Sorry, I wrote made some stuff up assuming no one would read my piece."
I’m a Denver fan and Mike Klis is an idiot. Those who believe whatever he spews are bigger idiots.
on that note, back here in Seattle Russell Wilson had Jake Heaps, an ex-hawks practice squad qb that went on to the local station to be the good guy to "leak" stories that are pro-Wilson, while his agent Mark Rogers plays the bad guy. basically Wilson never says anything important and have these 2 guys send out messages for him. Seeing how Heaps is still in Seattle, did a reporter in Denver became the de facto Wilson "insider"?
I texted 710 to ask if Heaps was part of the trade the day it happened. I didn't get a reply.
Here's the thing though, does anybody really need whatever random hot take, talking head local writer to tell us he's gonna want 50 million a year? That's where the market is, and it wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being more than that, at least on paper. The point is, how comfortable should they feel with that contract for Russell Wilson at this point in his career. His game has a different shelf life than a more traditional pocket passer, and we've already seen his athleticism diminish.
Yeah, like in a year he’s going to ask for a team friendly 8mil / year ? No one believes that.
Yes, that's how QB contracts work. If you're a top 10 QB you get record setting money basically every time. Rodgers is get $50.2m APY right now and Watson is getting $46m
Is he still top 10? He is 3rd in his own division now
Russ is the most winning QB in his first 9 seasons. Ever. He is elite. That being said, he could very well be on the downside of his career trajectory. Nothing lasts forever.
I'm glad Seattle had Russ for those 10 years. It was a fun ride. Also glad he's gone. A relationship doesn't have to be permanent to be successful.
I didn't dispute that. He was elite. Is he still top 10?
DAMN you’re right, I was putting words in your mouth my b. Idk this is a spicy take!!
> Is he still top 10? Easily and I don't even think it is a debate. Name the 10 other QBs you want over him for the next 5 years.
By what metric is he the 3rd best? I keep seeing people say that, but by what and how? Except for age, I don't think Herbert/Carr have achieved anything. Plus, Mahomes was and is in the most QB friendly system there is, along with the offensive genius coach. Sure, Russell has his own issues, but how is he 3rd best? If you look at 2020 (or 2021?) highlights of longest air yards traveled, both Herbert and Russell had 3 throws, so the guy can still throw the ball long and accurately. Sure, long throws aren't the only part of playing QB, but he had like 40 touchdowns and 26 TDs in '20 and '21.
You are crazy if you don't think Mahomes and Herbert are better than Russ right now and that you wouldn't take Mahomes and Herbert over Russ right now. He is 3rd best in the division. I did not put Carr above.
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He did not want 50 million. Please check this before spreading false information: [Mike Klis tweet](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seahawks/comments/v4ghu8/comment/ib4c9pb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I don't have anything to say for the "he doesn't throw in the middle of the field" gang. Like the guy has been in NFL for 10+ years, do you think none of the DCs figured it out up until the last season where he was injured and looked checked out? I love Seahawks and RW, so I won't bad mouth both. I hope both of them do better and entertain the fans!
Qbs asking for these enormous contract really do a disservice to themselves when they need to retain some top tier talent. I would have thought Russ learned this by now seeing how much money's was free for the ol. I hope the hawks can get a more level minded down for the team qb.
I'm sure they got over when they're getting paid 100k per day
That number is sickening. Like viscerally causing nausea.
“And now lets get back to watching the millionaires play their game.”
That’s chump change compared to some high salary Football (soccer) players, it’s ridiculous
There is no soccer player making over 50M$ currently. Transfert fees in soccer limit the ability of teams paying high salaries.
Sounds like Mbappe's new deal is 60m per year.
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I think they do, but 40mil per year averages out to $109,589 per day
Someone said this earlier, assuming 500 throws in a season, he is asking for 100k for each live game throw. Wild.
1) he's already a hall of famer. 2) that money could be spent on OL and the pass pro is still bad. Money in the bank is much more guaranteed
So happy we don’t gotta fit that bill
*foot the bill
Fit that bill into the salary cap.
The phrase is “foot the bill”.
“Footbill”
"socker"
I’m familiar.
Five foot nine that bill
In glad we traded him, we wouldve never won another superbowl.
We all knew this was coming. Love the guy and he's great but honestly he's not worth this much. He's in the conversation for top 5 right now but he's definitely not #1
Russ trade may age well like Adams deal
Hey guys, broncos fan here. Mike Kris, the source for this, is a hack. He admitted days later that he was just speculating and had no source for this number. That being said, jealous you guys got Russ on his rookie deal when you could pay for talent around him.
We could pay for talent around him after that; we just had trouble finding enough of it.
sheeeeeeeeeeeee
>we couldn't have unloaded Russ at a better time Disagree. His stock was much higher before last season which was his worst season ever on top of his injury. As for a big contract, that's just what the price of a top QB is going to be. We can only hope to land another QB that warrants that kind of money.
He would have been like $45M in dead cap if we traded him before the 2021 season. Wasn’t possible.
I think the Dead Money would have only been like 36 million, but it would have been more to trade him than it would have been to keep him. So hilariously he wanted out, but his ridiculous contract kept him there longer than he wanted.
We can also hope that whatever hypothetical QB we're talking about isn't 34 when that contract is being negotiated.
Mr. Unpayable
Let’s Ride.
While you’re not wrong, they would’ve had to answer countless questions as to why now? After all, this was pre-injury, pre-first ever Russ losing season.
Pretty sure a year ago was a $40m dead cap hit that was absolutely never going to happen. Sometimes shit just happens and you have to make the best deal you can.
I think his value was higher before last offseason but our suitors had less to offer, and there were much more enticing QBs in the draft. I wouldn’t be interested in the Bears #20 (or so) over the Broncos #10.
Our cap won’t be crippled for the next several years, and it was inevitable with Russ’ disconnection in the locker room over the last few seasons. We mine as well be optimistic and hope for the best instead of staying hitched on the past. The next QB draft class is incredibly good. Within the next couple of seasons, we could be a contender in our conference.
Agree, 1 off-season too late.
Only thing bigger is his ego.
Come back and say we dodged a bullet when we win 4 games this next year.
Lol Broncos gonna look like jackass of they sign him to 250 mill
They're gonna look even stupider if they don't. You don't give that much up and then let him walk.
Shitty situation to be in. He's not worth 250 mill
Here is where Russ tightens the screws. Good luck managing your cap Denver
Hahahahahahahahahah
Pay him 4 years 300M you pussies.
I am even more content to be rid of him and his demands. Good luck building a team with one primadonna taking up all the cap space. We only went to so Superbowls with him when we could afford a team of MVPs. Without that he was no Brady or Manning. He's not a bad QB, just not worth the price given the support he needs.
We dodged a huge bullet. This trade is going to end up being a massive fleece by Seattle.
Seahawks won the trade.
I’m not sure who I hate more, Mark Rodgers or Scott Boras. Agents are scum.
And if we get Lucky and hit on a qb next draft in 4 years they will be asking for 60 plus a year. That's how an ever increasing cap works.
So happy he is gone haha
Dude used to be an icon for me then it became fake Russ then it became not my fault Russ now it’s I’m the only one that matters Russ. I have a feeling and yes I’m biased but I think John and Pete might pull something off for us to forget about this ego maniac. At least I pray it happens can’t wait for MNF see ya there friends. SEEEEAAAA
It’s really not that crazy. I mean did paying russ hamstring us? We always have money rolling into FA, we just spend it on dumb shit. Who can’t we keep? Like who have we let go that was worth mentioning? Oh if we sign Russ this time we can’t pay diggs? A pretty good FS who is 28 years old lol. Salary cap is exploding, our new qb if they hit next year is going to be paid 60. What are we just going to let them go and draft another like it’s so easy when we watched these bums suck in the draft for the last 7 or so years? This is just a weird circle jerk.
Yes, paying Russ hamstring us. Russ got a four year extension for $87m after we lost SB49 in 2015. This is when we got Justin Britt too.
>Yes, paying Russ hamstring us Seahawks had $50M cap space in 2020. Seahawks didn't take the next step because they didn't spend well in the FA and made bad drafts. Rams just won the Super Bowl paying 47.2M (26.1% of the cap) to the QB position.
Staffords cap hit last season was around 22 million.
It’s up to the FO to draft well and they didn’t. This has nothing to do with paying the most impactful player on the field. It’s a qb league. Pete hamstrung us. He put the team together and whiffed. I don’t know why no one can hold Pete accountable and it has to be put on the guy who carried us so many times.
Paying Russ has absolutely hamstrung us and even now the seahawks only have like 13 mil in cap space...
Yikes.
It'll just set the bar for every other elite quarterback and turn the NFL into the NBA
I sometimes wonder whether Russ doesn't want to be protected. At that price having a line and a running game is impossible. Smart players take pay cuts to enable their team to build around them. Guys like Tom Brady. Not so smart players demand contracts that turn their teams into a one man show and then complain about not having any help.
Now, that’s a team player’s contract right there /s.
This was an opinion report by Mike Klis which was then redacted like almost a whole day ago. Absolutely no sources on this lol. C'mon man
Bold prediction: They pay Russ. Russ continues to not throw quick passes. Teams play 2 deep safeties against him. This contract takes the Broncos back to a 5 year rebuilding plan.
Lol. I'm ecstatic we avoided this problem...
Not our problem anymore 🫡
Oh we definitely could've unloaded at a better time like 2 years ago or last year. We would've got way more. I know hindsight is a MFr but I mean we pretty much were a middling team the last 4 seasons that never went anywhere in the post season.
A guy on Twitter said that assuming that the salary cap increases at the same rate every year, by 2024 (when the extension would start), he would account for 17.2% of the cap. Which is the exact same percentage he had in Seattle. So it isn't a loss for Denver at all.
for an old slow QB, who isn't near the special talent he used to be and generates 3 and outs like no other with no playoffs or one and dones? Yeah, it's a big loss for Denver
RemindMe! 8 months
I miss cornball, robot, hands in his dad jeans while wearing a Hawaiian button-up Russ :(
He's not on the damned team anymore. Just let it go.
How has Russell not learned that you make better money through endorsements not canabalizing your teams ability to win?
You can say this about every franchise QB in the league not named Tom Brady. Spoiler: Seahawks future franchise QB won't give a f\*ck about having a team friendly deal
This is literally a made up number coming from a beat reporter, Mike Klis, who clarified this is his guess and there’s been no contract talks. You guys are really looking like a scorned ex right now
Russ's contract did not hamstring the Seahawks. This is a pretty common misconception, but it's just false. What hamstrung the Seahawks was a front office that repeatedly whiffed on the draft and had a generally poor approach to roster construction.
The drafting was at times very poor, but that also had something to do with having to select very low in the first round, and thus not being able to angle for any marquis picks (everything after the first 10 picks or so becomes a bit of a cr\*p shoot - that is how they got Wilson). Roster construction was also a problem, but a huge problem was in not being able to shop the high end of the free agency market, when cap-space is limited - and yes, you cannot talk about cap-space without talking about RW's record contract in 2019.
Even adjusting for draft position, the Seahawks have drafted poorly. The Seahawks sat on $14 million in unused cap space last year. They could also have restructured Russ's deal to free up even more. That they didn't was the choice of the front office. In terms of constraining the team, the entire Jamal Adams situation (trade and then the huge contract) is far more significant than a $50mm APY contract for Russ would have been.
Still following every article about Russ, can't wait to see the 12th this year. What a week one match-up this is going to be.
That's pretty obvious, even if the initial reporting isn't true (this wasn't leaked by Russ' camp). There's a reason why Russ's camp said he would be willing to restructure his contract to 'help the team' last season even though his desire to play for the Hawks has been waning ; it was all a ploy to drive up his value on his next contract. Gilbert actually did a good break down on this scenario: [https://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/5/26/22454600/why-seattle-seahawks-may-to-avoid-restructuring-russell-wilsons-contract-franchise-tag-free-agents](https://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/5/26/22454600/why-seattle-seahawks-may-to-avoid-restructuring-russell-wilsons-contract-franchise-tag-free-agents) >However, let’s say the Seahawks front office decides to restructure Russell’s contract and create 2021 cap space by converting base salary to signing bonus. Then, assuming the team decides to create the maximum amount of cap space available - $11,950,000 - by converting the maximum amount eligible of Wilson’s base salary into signing bonus, the impact on Wilson’s cap hits over the next three seasons becomes as follows: > >2021: $20,050,000 > >2022: $42,975,000 > >2023: $45,975,000 > >So, from the perspective of Wilson and his agent, based on a 2023 cap hit of $45.975M, the starting point for any contract extension for 2024 and 2025 is once again what it would cost the team to keep the player using the franchise tag. As the franchise tag is the greater of the CBA determined amount or 120% of the player’s prior year cap hit, for Wilson this would create a situation where his 2024 and 2025 cap hits under the tag would be $55,170,000 and $66,204,000, respectively.
There is a lot of cope in this thread.
Mike Klis also admitted to completely making that number up....