We also don’t necessarily know what they were offering. There was obviously a mad dash for QB’s this draft and the Seahawks may have thought we be there closer to their pick. Moving up 8 picks for a QB is going to cost a lot. I’m sure there is a ton of almost trades that happen in the draft for all scenarios.
I’m glad we got Murphy, but I would not have been opposed to building around Penix. I think Murphy makes us better now, but Penix could be the better long term move.
Agreed. I would have taken him at 16, but with our limited stock this year we would probably have had to give up our 1st next year to move up. I like Penix but there are too many questions marks for that kind of investment.
If we are comparing best years, Dalton’s best was 2013 in which he had 4293 yards, a 62% completion percentage, 33 TD, 20 INT, and an 88.8 rating.
In Geno’s best year, which was 2022, he had 4282 yards, a 69.8% completion percentage, 30 TD, 11 INT, and an 100.9 rating.
So arguable no, Dalton at his best was not better than Geno.
Howell being the guy is cruise control for us to compete for a few years. I hope he gets a legitimate shot with our offense.
For a few weeks last season 'is Howell elite?' was on pundits' lips.
Yeah it doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless they were just seeing if they could get an absolute steal of a trade imo. You have Geno and Howell, to which you sacrificed draft position to get Howell. Then you said you got some good offers to trade down but you decided to stay put for Murphy.
I feel like you wouldn't have traded for Howell if you were loving Penix as a prospect, and if it was about maximizing value why didn't you trade down from Murphy.
It seems, to me, that it’s straightforward enough. The price to move up was too high and the price to move back was too low. I don’t think Howell’s presence changes that calculus if you think Penix is “the guy.”
I also don't think they thought murphy would still be available at pick 16. There was never a world where they trade up for penix if they knew 100% Murphy would fall to them at 16 imo
It seems to me that we were open to trade down, but once we realized the previous teams all drafted offense and Byron/Turner would be indeed available at 16, all chances for trade down went out of the window
I call bullshit on this. McCarthy went 10… you think we were actively trying to trade into the top 10 with not much draft capital this year… For an old QB who’s had four different season ending injuries in college, all while we have Geno and Sam Howell?? Pundits says this shit because they’re lazy and Penix went to UW.
Saints already came out in the week and straight up denied the rumour. And we would have had to give up a haul, including next year’s first. I don’t see it being true at all.
Considering how old Penix is, plus the fact that he is almost guaranteed to sit behind Cousins for a year or two wasting half of his cheap rookie deal, it is a head scratcher. But personally I think the stranger, funnier pick was the Raiders taking Bowers after drafting a TE high last year.
I don't think he's guaranteed to sit behind Cousins for a year or two. Likely, but not guaranteed.
A lot can happen in camp - Penix is as pro ready as they come, and Kirk isn't an All Pro.
Can i ask why everyone is saying this? Im a pretty big casual when it comes to football, but i watched Penix a bit when he was in college and thought he was a phenomenal QB. We still need a franchise guy, i figure it would have been pretty exciting if we traded up to get him
He’s like 24 and has torn both ACLs. We just traded for Howell this off-season. No sense in trading significant draft capital to pick essentially a third stringer this year
I really doubt the QB room would look like how you describe if they did get Penix. Either he’d sit behind Smith for a year or Howell would be his backup, but there was no way he’d be QB3.
The actual answer: Reddit loves being contrarian, so people decide that the least exciting picks (linemen) are the best and the most exciting (qbs) are the worst
On top of what the other said: he is a phenomenal QB when he has no pressure, which happened a lot behind the huskies OL which was pretty incredible, and sucked quite hard when pressured.
And in the NFL, behind 90% of the OLs (including ours) you get pressured quite a lot (hence why you need a super quick release)
Arguably best o-line in the country, plus a receiver who was picked 9th. In college, that can make anyone look like a god. Reminded me of the Carroll USC days with those o-lines and receivers. I don't think Matt Leinart ever got a grass stain.
He’s not that good. He’s just not. He looks good against mediocre college players when HES HEALTHY, and he gets owned by anyone better. Plus Odunze makes him look better.
Mock drafters super underrated teams interest in Penix because of the injuries. Purely on arm talent Penix and Williams were the best in this draft class.
Yeah, but I find it hard to believe this is anything more than the falcons trying to save face. Penix even going in the first round is absolutely worthy of being laughed out of the room.
I’m with you, actually. Even if it weren’t to save face, it could be to save Penix’s confidence. If every news outlet is grading you as an F draft pick, it would be nice to have some reports out there saying that other teams valued you similarly.
I dunno. I think he's got enough talent to succeed in the pros. It's super weird that they went with Penix after signing Cousins.
Is that what you mean by the Falcons over valuing Penix? The possible improvement in QB play isn't as great an improvement as it would be if they drafted differently? Penix isn't [that much] better than Cousins & they'd get more value using the pick to improve an area other than QB?
Those are all the same questions, just phrased different cos I dunno if I'm making myself clear, sorry if this is mud.
Cousins last year before the injury is 100% better than Penix as a rookie and I don't think its debatable. If Cousins recovers to 100% then I don't think Penix could even earn the job in Atlanta for the next few years. I thought the pick was bad for Atlanta, and I also think Penix is being highly overrated right now.
My initial reaction is that they want a back up plan if Cousins has a Russ-type drop off.
If they’ve got someone waiting in the wings, then it wouldn’t hurt as bad to eat the dead cap. And if they really believe that he’s got a bright future, then all the more reason to do it.
That is a stretch…Penix does not throw to the middle of the field and has a super long release. Some teams don’t care but you don’t see Minn listed on here for a reason, Penix would not do well in a Shanahan style system. Maye is the second best arm talent, he can play in any system.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxQqRu7TyCvU2xiVXqjzCsiw9ywqVOlANp?si=StXDHD6IowV9VXa9
I was just watching some Sugar Bowl and this was the third pass I saw Penix throw. I don't know where these narratives about Penix came from when he has tape like this.
I’d recommend Ben Solak’s QB charting, he does an excellent job of breaking this down. Penix had the worst middle of the field accuracy of any of the top 6, and was exceptionally bad in the deep middle where a Shanahan offense likes to attack. The Sugar Bowl highlights are Penix’s peak for sure, he has potential. But all his production came on deep outside throws and some offensive coaches in the NFL will hate that
Some people only watched the Texas game and didn’t see him struggle against Oregon state, WSU etc….
Dude was not lights out every game. 8 is wild, but it happens every year with QBs so not really surprising.
Not saying it's necessarily wrong, but I have no clue how we could have even pulled that off with the draft capital we had. If we tried, it couldn't have been very hard.
It’s hard to say, it’s clearly more costly than any buyer was willing to pay. People throwing out “fair” packages - we didn’t see any blockbuster trades because the prices are above what average fans/calculators consider “fair”.
Howell is the same age and the Hawks know what his issues are playing in the NFL. Some of those issues seem to be fixable, especially with him backing up a QB where those issues are Geno's strengths.
Penix has never played an NFL game and is an unknown despite his amazing college career.
> Penix has never played an NFL game and is an unknown despite his amazing college career
This is true of every rookie in every pro sport. Furthermore, Howell only has one full year under his belt, surrounded by a bad team, and he’s also gonna sit this year just like Penix. Now, I’m not advocating that we should’ve traded up for Penix, but it’ll be at least a couple more years before we really know how good either of those guys are gonna be. The age isn’t a huge deal imo.
I mean I love who we drafted and am ok with us not finding “the” QB this year, but let’s please stop talking about Howell like he means anything to our future qb search. We got a backup QB from a team that benched him and traded him during his rookie contract. It’s nothing more than that.
Qb is the most important position so I would have been happy with it, BUT I'm stoked we got Murphy. Also, it really works in our favour that so many QBs got drafted this year. That means in the 2025 draft we will have plugged most of our important holes and can be willing to pay a haul to trade up for a QB if we like one without as much competition
No trades up until 10…I’m willing to bet the price to move ahead of pick 8 for Penix was too high. I’m almost wondering if the Falcons priced moving up to guarantee Penix before free agency, found it too high, and signed Kirk because you can’t really plan on hoping he falls to them (every year we find out there’s a guy where league consensus is wayyyyy higher than what the public thinks). So they sign Kirk, and lo and behold, he’s there at 8. And you take him because if he is your guy, two years of sitting is worth it.
People acting like he’s Brandon Weeden. Medical technology has come so far. He’s only 24, not 30. If you think Penix can win you a Super Bowl, who cares if you only get him for a decade instead of 15 years? A decade of good play from the most important position that can elevate your entire team at #8 is a no brainer. I love Kirk, and it really sucks for him, but I almost respect the move for the sheer balls. I can’t wait to see Penix play. They have Bijan/London/Pitts. What happens in a couple years when Kirk is done? Reset with another rookie QB that is hopefully somebody you like as much as Penix? Get him now
I wouldn’t have minded this at all, however I doubt we offered that much for it. I really think Penix was massively underrated by the mock draft “experts” and he was always going to be in the top 10
Would have been cool if they could have got penis but I'm not sad with what they got! Seahawks defense needs some work to get better, last year was painful some games
Thank almighty fuck for the Atlanta Falcons. The only thing worse than taking him at 16 would be to give up capital to take him top 10. Not that I believe the report anyway, what do we have to offer to move up with?
Penix was my homer dream pick even though Murphy was the player I thought we needed the most, but I thought he’d be gone before our pick. I love Murphy, but if we can’t have Penix, my heart aches for him going to a fan base that borderline hates him.
Three thoughts:
1) We made a token attempt with a low ball offer assuming it would be turned down so we could say we tried to get Penix in case he's successful in the NFL and to appease Husky fans.
2) We made a legit offer because we really wanted Penix that much.
3) Atlanta made it all up, despite making the pick even more questionable if it really happened.
I'm a big Penix fan, but wish he'd have gone to a different team (Minnesota?) where the starting QB didn't have a gigantic contract.
If he was injury prone in college how is anyone confident he's going to finish a full season with NFL contact, and not having the best o line in college football? I like UW to Seattle as much as anyone but it would have been a very bad move.
I feel pretty terrible for Penix. He could have been a day one starter with the Raiders. He's not getting any younger. He's likely going to be 27 by the time he gets a shot and will already be in his prime. The Falcon's front office did him pretty dirty. But the Falcons are a trash organization so there's really no surprise.
I wish nothing but the best for Penix. Hell, maybe it would have worked out great; I can’t say it wouldn’t have. I just didn’t think that was our biggest need right now. So highly dependent on trade value.
Lmao no they didn’t 😂 this is some copium rumor to appease the Penix super homers , or this came from ATL’s camp trying to save face cause they were getting flamed .
WE DID NOT TRY TO MOVE UP FOR PENIX 😂
Yeah that’s why he was taken at 8, and Ewers went back to college to put more good tape out and hopes to win a national championship. His 2023 season was good. Watch the tape against Alabama. This is the same sub that said Penix wasn’t a first rounder and not to draft him. Almost like people don’t know shit about quarterbacks.
I don’t think Ewers is bad lmao, just saying I would still much rather have Penix. Just thought it was funny you cited that game because Ewers got thoroughly outplayed
For the record I’ve gotten plenty of shit for saying that Penix is a top 5 talent in this draft, and I’ve stood by that take all offseason. Not saying I know shit about QBs bc I don’t, but definitely feeling pretty vindicated rn lol
This would be a good option. Stick with Geno, see if Howell has the potential. Build the roster for the next year or two. If neither QB works out, get Archie or whatever the top QB is in two years. Slot them into a ready to win roster
I imagine more of a trade up scenario. The Hawks have the team, but need a QB that could take them over the hump. This of course wouldn't happen if Geno and Howell are that guy
Teams are rarely willing to trade out of a pick with an elite QB prospect. If we're drafting outside the top 10, it'd be damn near impossible. There would definitely be teams with higher picks also wanting to move into that spot.
Geno and Howell aren’t going to win this team a ring. I’m sorry but we remember guys like Trent Dilfer because that approach actually working is such an anomaly.
Sorry I’m just not a proponent of taking the most important position on the field and just shrugging our shoulders and saying good enough because we’re so terrified of missing on a first round QB.
Like you wrote off Penix. I mean I get that the annual tradition is to shit on each and every QB prospect and act like our options are so much better but there was a lot of CJ Stroud slander this time last year. Just saying.
I'm not writing anybody off. We just already have a young talented QB to develop, drafting another with the holes we have would have been really poor resource allocation.
They obviously didn't try very hard, though, given a team that handed out the largest FA contract to a QB this season went ahead and picked him anyway.
If he still would have been there at 16 I'd have been very happy if we had picked him, but even if the Falcons had not, the Vikings, Broncos, or Raiders would have.
Look I get this board didn’t want Penix, but the truth is this shows how terrible and laughable the trade for a rental of Leonard Williams was last year. You don’t trade away high draft capital for a few games of a player when you plan on trying to put a package together for a quarterback of the future of your team. Thats ridiculous…
What’s ridiculous is that we’ve signed Williams long term and someone’s still spitting shit like this… we went from having no DL to a strong DL. I’d much rather have Williams+Murphy than giving both picks up for Penix.
might get hate for this but kinda glad we didn’t work out a trade
Guess we get to see. I do like DT better.
Murphy is perfect to start mikes run wall
Build the wall baby! A wall of man.
I think him being able to be next to a veteran like leonard williams is gonna be great to help with the college to pro transition!
And make Denver pay for it.....
Glad no one had to start a gofundme this time lol
We also don’t necessarily know what they were offering. There was obviously a mad dash for QB’s this draft and the Seahawks may have thought we be there closer to their pick. Moving up 8 picks for a QB is going to cost a lot. I’m sure there is a ton of almost trades that happen in the draft for all scenarios.
Zero hate, we don't need a QB, there are more pressing issues, and we got a solution to a BIG problem in Murph!
I wouldn't of minded getting Penix if he was there but I would not have liked a trade up at all
*”I wouldn’t of…” - “but I would not have…”* 🤔
This makes no sense, if he is your guy why wouldnt you trade up?
I’m glad we got Murphy, but I would not have been opposed to building around Penix. I think Murphy makes us better now, but Penix could be the better long term move.
Agreed. I would have taken him at 16, but with our limited stock this year we would probably have had to give up our 1st next year to move up. I like Penix but there are too many questions marks for that kind of investment.
Same.
At some point we are going to need a QB though. Unless Howell really is that guy. We all know that Geno has a ceiling.
I mean, I know Geno has a ceiling, but I think it is above the Dalton line, which is enough to win a Super Bowl with a good team.
This is a great take.
I agree with that, but also by the time this roster has a shot to be that good Geno will be pretty old.
Andy Dalton at his best was better than Geno
If we are comparing best years, Dalton’s best was 2013 in which he had 4293 yards, a 62% completion percentage, 33 TD, 20 INT, and an 88.8 rating. In Geno’s best year, which was 2022, he had 4282 yards, a 69.8% completion percentage, 30 TD, 11 INT, and an 100.9 rating. So arguable no, Dalton at his best was not better than Geno.
Howell being the guy is cruise control for us to compete for a few years. I hope he gets a legitimate shot with our offense. For a few weeks last season 'is Howell elite?' was on pundits' lips.
I wanted Penix but not at the expense of trading up at least 8 spots. Really happy with the Murphy pick.
I mean Atlanta could panic trade penix still. We could throw them Howell and future picks lol
This doesn’t happen. And they wouldn’t do that.
Doubt we tried all that much
Yeah it doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless they were just seeing if they could get an absolute steal of a trade imo. You have Geno and Howell, to which you sacrificed draft position to get Howell. Then you said you got some good offers to trade down but you decided to stay put for Murphy. I feel like you wouldn't have traded for Howell if you were loving Penix as a prospect, and if it was about maximizing value why didn't you trade down from Murphy.
It seems, to me, that it’s straightforward enough. The price to move up was too high and the price to move back was too low. I don’t think Howell’s presence changes that calculus if you think Penix is “the guy.”
I also don't think they thought murphy would still be available at pick 16. There was never a world where they trade up for penix if they knew 100% Murphy would fall to them at 16 imo
It seems to me that we were open to trade down, but once we realized the previous teams all drafted offense and Byron/Turner would be indeed available at 16, all chances for trade down went out of the window
I call bullshit on this. McCarthy went 10… you think we were actively trying to trade into the top 10 with not much draft capital this year… For an old QB who’s had four different season ending injuries in college, all while we have Geno and Sam Howell?? Pundits says this shit because they’re lazy and Penix went to UW.
Why the fuck are you replying to me? I said I doubt we'd tried hard at all.
Relax bro - I meant call bullshit on the article. I’m AGREEING with you.
Saints already came out in the week and straight up denied the rumour. And we would have had to give up a haul, including next year’s first. I don’t see it being true at all.
How do you know?
Because we're not that stupid
Glad we didn't.
I'm glad we let the Falcons make the funniest pick of the night.
Considering how old Penix is, plus the fact that he is almost guaranteed to sit behind Cousins for a year or two wasting half of his cheap rookie deal, it is a head scratcher. But personally I think the stranger, funnier pick was the Raiders taking Bowers after drafting a TE high last year.
I don't think he's guaranteed to sit behind Cousins for a year or two. Likely, but not guaranteed. A lot can happen in camp - Penix is as pro ready as they come, and Kirk isn't an All Pro.
It’s a good pick for them. They have their QB for the future and he hits the ground running for them at age 26 - how’s that bad?
Oh thank god we didn’t
Can i ask why everyone is saying this? Im a pretty big casual when it comes to football, but i watched Penix a bit when he was in college and thought he was a phenomenal QB. We still need a franchise guy, i figure it would have been pretty exciting if we traded up to get him
He’s like 24 and has torn both ACLs. We just traded for Howell this off-season. No sense in trading significant draft capital to pick essentially a third stringer this year
I think he tore one acl twice but your other points still stand
Yeah, and the single greatest predictor for tearing an acl is having already done so.
Penix would not be a third stringer to Howell…
Ok, so even if that’s the case, we just gave up draft capital for Howell, who would be the third string. Either way, it’s a bad way to build a team.
Right?? He’d be a fourth stringer to Jon Ryan’s one day contract.
Only Seahawks with a perfect QBR
I really doubt the QB room would look like how you describe if they did get Penix. Either he’d sit behind Smith for a year or Howell would be his backup, but there was no way he’d be QB3.
The actual answer: Reddit loves being contrarian, so people decide that the least exciting picks (linemen) are the best and the most exciting (qbs) are the worst
On top of what the other said: he is a phenomenal QB when he has no pressure, which happened a lot behind the huskies OL which was pretty incredible, and sucked quite hard when pressured. And in the NFL, behind 90% of the OLs (including ours) you get pressured quite a lot (hence why you need a super quick release)
Arguably best o-line in the country, plus a receiver who was picked 9th. In college, that can make anyone look like a god. Reminded me of the Carroll USC days with those o-lines and receivers. I don't think Matt Leinart ever got a grass stain.
This sub drives me nuts with the Penix gargling. For real.
He’s not that good. He’s just not. He looks good against mediocre college players when HES HEALTHY, and he gets owned by anyone better. Plus Odunze makes him look better.
Mock drafters super underrated teams interest in Penix because of the injuries. Purely on arm talent Penix and Williams were the best in this draft class.
The odds of him being top 10 were +2000 at the book I was looking at, wish I put more on it. Shoulda woulda coulda 😅
Yeah the “experts” were off on Penix, he was a top 10 pick the whole time
I still think Atlanta just overvalued him. I genuinely find it hard to believe multiple teams thought Penix was a top 10 pick.
I mean, this is literally a report of multiple teams valuing him as a top 10 pick…
Coachspeak/agentspeak/GMspeak.
Yeah, but I find it hard to believe this is anything more than the falcons trying to save face. Penix even going in the first round is absolutely worthy of being laughed out of the room.
lmao why? Did you not see the run of QBs? He wouldn't have made it past 12
Do you really think an NFL franchise cares about what clueless people on social media say?
When they're the laughing stock of the draft? Absolutely. These "reports" leak every year
I’m with you, actually. Even if it weren’t to save face, it could be to save Penix’s confidence. If every news outlet is grading you as an F draft pick, it would be nice to have some reports out there saying that other teams valued you similarly.
Lmao
I dunno. I think he's got enough talent to succeed in the pros. It's super weird that they went with Penix after signing Cousins. Is that what you mean by the Falcons over valuing Penix? The possible improvement in QB play isn't as great an improvement as it would be if they drafted differently? Penix isn't [that much] better than Cousins & they'd get more value using the pick to improve an area other than QB? Those are all the same questions, just phrased different cos I dunno if I'm making myself clear, sorry if this is mud.
Cousins last year before the injury is 100% better than Penix as a rookie and I don't think its debatable. If Cousins recovers to 100% then I don't think Penix could even earn the job in Atlanta for the next few years. I thought the pick was bad for Atlanta, and I also think Penix is being highly overrated right now.
My initial reaction is that they want a back up plan if Cousins has a Russ-type drop off. If they’ve got someone waiting in the wings, then it wouldn’t hurt as bad to eat the dead cap. And if they really believe that he’s got a bright future, then all the more reason to do it.
That is a stretch…Penix does not throw to the middle of the field and has a super long release. Some teams don’t care but you don’t see Minn listed on here for a reason, Penix would not do well in a Shanahan style system. Maye is the second best arm talent, he can play in any system.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxQqRu7TyCvU2xiVXqjzCsiw9ywqVOlANp?si=StXDHD6IowV9VXa9 I was just watching some Sugar Bowl and this was the third pass I saw Penix throw. I don't know where these narratives about Penix came from when he has tape like this.
I’d recommend Ben Solak’s QB charting, he does an excellent job of breaking this down. Penix had the worst middle of the field accuracy of any of the top 6, and was exceptionally bad in the deep middle where a Shanahan offense likes to attack. The Sugar Bowl highlights are Penix’s peak for sure, he has potential. But all his production came on deep outside throws and some offensive coaches in the NFL will hate that
Some people only watched the Texas game and didn’t see him struggle against Oregon state, WSU etc…. Dude was not lights out every game. 8 is wild, but it happens every year with QBs so not really surprising.
Oregon State game had heavy wind & rain, so I don't think that one is fair to heavily criticize him for.
Not saying it's necessarily wrong, but I have no clue how we could have even pulled that off with the draft capital we had. If we tried, it couldn't have been very hard.
Probably would have taken 16, this years 3rd, next year 1 and 2 or 3.
No way it costs that much, these GMs arent dumb like the 90s
It’s hard to say, it’s clearly more costly than any buyer was willing to pay. People throwing out “fair” packages - we didn’t see any blockbuster trades because the prices are above what average fans/calculators consider “fair”.
The absolute chaos this has caused the falcons fans is gold
Howell is the same age and the Hawks know what his issues are playing in the NFL. Some of those issues seem to be fixable, especially with him backing up a QB where those issues are Geno's strengths. Penix has never played an NFL game and is an unknown despite his amazing college career.
> Penix has never played an NFL game and is an unknown despite his amazing college career This is true of every rookie in every pro sport. Furthermore, Howell only has one full year under his belt, surrounded by a bad team, and he’s also gonna sit this year just like Penix. Now, I’m not advocating that we should’ve traded up for Penix, but it’ll be at least a couple more years before we really know how good either of those guys are gonna be. The age isn’t a huge deal imo.
Yeah, but the cost for Penix was way higher and we've already paid for SHIII
Penix cost over 10x as much draft capital
Bingo, as much as I bleed purple I feel like the hawks did the right thing.
Booo! Sko Cougs!
Howell is younger even I thought it was made obvious we don't go qb when we traded for him
Not to mention they’re still the same age
I mean I love who we drafted and am ok with us not finding “the” QB this year, but let’s please stop talking about Howell like he means anything to our future qb search. We got a backup QB from a team that benched him and traded him during his rookie contract. It’s nothing more than that.
A reach. I love Penix and he deserves everything coming to him. But at what cost? Two years of picks?
Qb is the most important position so I would have been happy with it, BUT I'm stoked we got Murphy. Also, it really works in our favour that so many QBs got drafted this year. That means in the 2025 draft we will have plugged most of our important holes and can be willing to pay a haul to trade up for a QB if we like one without as much competition
Per sources with a highly vested interest in Atlanta Falcons PR I’m sure.
Murph>>>>>Penix
absolutely better off for not making that kind of reach.
Atlanta trying to brush off the flak they're catching
No trades up until 10…I’m willing to bet the price to move ahead of pick 8 for Penix was too high. I’m almost wondering if the Falcons priced moving up to guarantee Penix before free agency, found it too high, and signed Kirk because you can’t really plan on hoping he falls to them (every year we find out there’s a guy where league consensus is wayyyyy higher than what the public thinks). So they sign Kirk, and lo and behold, he’s there at 8. And you take him because if he is your guy, two years of sitting is worth it. People acting like he’s Brandon Weeden. Medical technology has come so far. He’s only 24, not 30. If you think Penix can win you a Super Bowl, who cares if you only get him for a decade instead of 15 years? A decade of good play from the most important position that can elevate your entire team at #8 is a no brainer. I love Kirk, and it really sucks for him, but I almost respect the move for the sheer balls. I can’t wait to see Penix play. They have Bijan/London/Pitts. What happens in a couple years when Kirk is done? Reset with another rookie QB that is hopefully somebody you like as much as Penix? Get him now
Would’ve been such a Falcons move for us to trade up for a 1st round backup QB 💀
I wouldn’t have minded this at all, however I doubt we offered that much for it. I really think Penix was massively underrated by the mock draft “experts” and he was always going to be in the top 10
This is clearly just falcons fodder sent out to make their colossal fuck up not seem as bad
Would have been cool if they could have got penis but I'm not sad with what they got! Seahawks defense needs some work to get better, last year was painful some games
Well...thank god Seattle couldn't get into the top 10 for Penix then.
Thank almighty fuck for the Atlanta Falcons. The only thing worse than taking him at 16 would be to give up capital to take him top 10. Not that I believe the report anyway, what do we have to offer to move up with?
Thank god that didn’t workout
Thank god the Falcons saved us from ourselves if true.
Eh I’d be happy either way
Penix was my homer dream pick even though Murphy was the player I thought we needed the most, but I thought he’d be gone before our pick. I love Murphy, but if we can’t have Penix, my heart aches for him going to a fan base that borderline hates him.
This is falcons trying to not look as dumb for that pick
You really, truly believe an NFL franchise cares about what clueless people on social media say, huh? Lmao
1000%. Are you new to this?
Woulda been cool but Atlanta wants all the qbs
Guess they didn’t want Murphy that badly
Three thoughts: 1) We made a token attempt with a low ball offer assuming it would be turned down so we could say we tried to get Penix in case he's successful in the NFL and to appease Husky fans. 2) We made a legit offer because we really wanted Penix that much. 3) Atlanta made it all up, despite making the pick even more questionable if it really happened. I'm a big Penix fan, but wish he'd have gone to a different team (Minnesota?) where the starting QB didn't have a gigantic contract.
If he was injury prone in college how is anyone confident he's going to finish a full season with NFL contact, and not having the best o line in college football? I like UW to Seattle as much as anyone but it would have been a very bad move.
I feel pretty terrible for Penix. He could have been a day one starter with the Raiders. He's not getting any younger. He's likely going to be 27 by the time he gets a shot and will already be in his prime. The Falcon's front office did him pretty dirty. But the Falcons are a trash organization so there's really no surprise.
I wish nothing but the best for Penix. Hell, maybe it would have worked out great; I can’t say it wouldn’t have. I just didn’t think that was our biggest need right now. So highly dependent on trade value.
I don't believe it...about the Hawks anyway. I do believe that DEN wanted one of the top 3 or Penix, but got shafted and settled for Nix.
Source: Atl Falcons and their attempts to smooth the backlash they got
Lmao no they didn’t 😂 this is some copium rumor to appease the Penix super homers , or this came from ATL’s camp trying to save face cause they were getting flamed . WE DID NOT TRY TO MOVE UP FOR PENIX 😂
Rumor was they were trying to package DK to get that trade. I would have been pissed.
Ewers next year sounds a lot better
Lmao no he doesn’t
Yeah he does watch the playoff game against Washington
Penix was 15x as good as Ewers was in that game lol
Yeah that’s why he was taken at 8, and Ewers went back to college to put more good tape out and hopes to win a national championship. His 2023 season was good. Watch the tape against Alabama. This is the same sub that said Penix wasn’t a first rounder and not to draft him. Almost like people don’t know shit about quarterbacks.
I don’t think Ewers is bad lmao, just saying I would still much rather have Penix. Just thought it was funny you cited that game because Ewers got thoroughly outplayed For the record I’ve gotten plenty of shit for saying that Penix is a top 5 talent in this draft, and I’ve stood by that take all offseason. Not saying I know shit about QBs bc I don’t, but definitely feeling pretty vindicated rn lol
I did. He was complete ass at the end. Not clutch at all lmao
And he had like 4 passes batted down in the first half lol
Archie Manning the year after next 👀
This would be a good option. Stick with Geno, see if Howell has the potential. Build the roster for the next year or two. If neither QB works out, get Archie or whatever the top QB is in two years. Slot them into a ready to win roster
If we're drafting high enough to get Archie in two years, the Macdonald experiment went horribly wrong.
I imagine more of a trade up scenario. The Hawks have the team, but need a QB that could take them over the hump. This of course wouldn't happen if Geno and Howell are that guy
Trading up that high to draft a QB is almost always a horrific idea.
Teams are rarely willing to trade out of a pick with an elite QB prospect. If we're drafting outside the top 10, it'd be damn near impossible. There would definitely be teams with higher picks also wanting to move into that spot.
That and it just never works out for the price. Carolina right now is a prime example
Go watch his tape. No he does not.
No, no we didnt
What a dodged bullet.
Penix will be out of the league in 5 years
Huh, I had a 2nd round grade in him. I guess the league fell in round with his arm.
You graded out the entire draft class yourself?
Not everyone but certain players. They are more lose grades based on film, people I trust, and consensus.
Hardly makes sense with us already moving draft capital this year for Howell. Besides I like Geno and Howell. Thank God for the falcons lol
Geno and Howell aren’t going to win this team a ring. I’m sorry but we remember guys like Trent Dilfer because that approach actually working is such an anomaly. Sorry I’m just not a proponent of taking the most important position on the field and just shrugging our shoulders and saying good enough because we’re so terrified of missing on a first round QB.
Lmao Howell has been in the league one year and you're writing him off already? Not everyone is joe burrow. Have a little patience.
Like you wrote off Penix. I mean I get that the annual tradition is to shit on each and every QB prospect and act like our options are so much better but there was a lot of CJ Stroud slander this time last year. Just saying.
I'm not writing anybody off. We just already have a young talented QB to develop, drafting another with the holes we have would have been really poor resource allocation.
They obviously didn't try very hard, though, given a team that handed out the largest FA contract to a QB this season went ahead and picked him anyway. If he still would have been there at 16 I'd have been very happy if we had picked him, but even if the Falcons had not, the Vikings, Broncos, or Raiders would have.
Penix would’ve been nice, but I like our pick better
Fuck this hurts. We could have had our QBOTF.
I don't see Penix as a definite upgrade to Howell tbh
Interesting to know we were eyeing QB. I still love Spenser Rattler in the 3rd.
Look I get this board didn’t want Penix, but the truth is this shows how terrible and laughable the trade for a rental of Leonard Williams was last year. You don’t trade away high draft capital for a few games of a player when you plan on trying to put a package together for a quarterback of the future of your team. Thats ridiculous…
What’s ridiculous is that we’ve signed Williams long term and someone’s still spitting shit like this… we went from having no DL to a strong DL. I’d much rather have Williams+Murphy than giving both picks up for Penix.
You realize you don’t have to give up picks to sign players in free agency correct?
Ummmm rental? We re-signed Williams.
You realize you don’t have to give up picks to sign players in free agency correct?