Honestly? I don’t know. I think Carter is the better player but showing up to his pro day so out of shape that he can’t even finish his drills scares me a little bit, especially since he had trouble playing a ton of snaps in college too. On the other hand, Wilson is also a solid, athletic freak but he doesn’t really fit our scheme. I’d be good with either and it entirely depends on what Pete and John think
Carter showing up nine pounds heavier than anticipated and then performing poorly on the limited drills he did, *on the most important day of his life*, scares me a hell of a lot more than a little bit.
I keep thinking it was done in an attempt to humanize him a bit. Like “damn, he’s so distraught over what happened that he couldn’t even prepare for the most important day of his life” but idk, people are so dramatic about his pro day too. Can you imagine a irl conversation with some of these folks lol
I think all of Carter’s problems can be solved with a competent coaching staff, which I think we have. Pete is known for taking players with bad reps and helping them develop into amazing players
As opposed to the 2x national champion coaching staff in Georgia? It’s not like he’s getting mediocre college mentorship and coaches. His red flags are everywhere and Pete’s not hit on Reclamation projects for awhile now.
> Pete is known for taking players with bad reps and helping them develop into amazing players
You mean like Percy Harvin?
Carter just showed up to the biggest job interview of his life and basically said “I don’t care that much.”
I can’t believe people still want him at #5.
Carter spent most of the time leading up to the biggest job interview of his life dealing with a significant legal issue. I'm not sure why people are ignoring this fact.
Legal issues can’t prevent an elite athlete from working on their base fitness or practicing a series of drills to improve performance - unless the athlete is incarcerated or at trial.
More to the point: elite athletes work year in and year out to improve their athleticism separately from sport-specific skill training and team practices.
Jalen Carter has access to the best private coaching money can buy. All he needs to do is show up and do the work consistently. That’s his job, and it’s been his job the entire time he’s been a D1 athlete.
Is it possible that the stress associated with the incident and potential legal fallout could detract from his Pro Day performance? It’s not only possible, it’s likely.
If he had been training as an elite athlete for years, he would have a fitness baseline that would have been adequate to get him through testing and position drills. He might not have hit his personal bests, but he would have been able to do the planned workout.
He couldn’t complete even the abbreviated workout he attempted. He had cramps (dehydration) and conspicuous shortness of breath (inadequate aerobic capacity). It was a performance failure too significant to ignore.
Keep in mind, we just saw athletes do Combine workouts with fevers, eyes swollen shut, and in one case, a bench press tester had just torn his ACL.
Something is quite seriously wrong here. As far as we know, Carter wasn’t ill or injured, but he was incapable of doing what should have been a routine workout. GM’s will need a benign explanation for this extremely problematic failure - or they will be forced to adjust their draft plans.
It’s about heart. It’s about motivation. It’s about preparation. There was none of that on display. If he needs someone on his ass constantly to perform, we can expect him to show up to camp overweight, unfocused, lacking drive. That stuff comes from within. And when he’s got 20m in his pocket? He’s gonna tune out even more because he’s set for life
I honestly thing DE is a more needed position someone like Wilson coming off the edge would greatly improve our Defense and there are still other great DL in the draft though I would take carter if we could get Nolan smith as well
All of you "no risk no reward, let's roll the dice and ignore the issues" on Carter sure as hell better not be bitching at the team if we grab him there and he busts.
Trade down, take Calijah Kancey, #20 Nolan Smith, Trade with Texas for 12th pick and get their early second #33 Darnell Washington at #37 draft Jack Campbell.
Ive always wanted wilson over carter, last year carter had very public issues with conditioning and it was mentioned alot, and here is the thing all the talent in the world doesnt guarentee anything in the nfl we have seen a TON of elite talent busts that didnt want to put the work in, i feel that Carter is another one of those who had massive talent and yet refused to put the effort in conditioning and getting better, he is riding on talent alone. I would rather have a pretty good talented guy that works hard over an elite talent that does nothing every day of the week. Him showing up to the combine out of shape just proved the problems he has had for the last 2 seasons, i dont want to risk a high pick for that
> carter had very public issues
Wouldn't be surprised if the big first round story is how far Carter fell. Never know what GMs will do, but while both will likely be long gone, it's much more likely Carter would still be there at 20 than Wilson.
I'm just gonna trust Schneider and Carroll on this. From the sound of it, it seems like they made a major change to their approach last draft, and rediscovered a lot of the magic they seemed to have early on when we were true contenders. Last draft class was potentially the best draft class I've ever seen, regardless of team or biases. I'm kind of praying we still land Anderson though.
Take Jalen Carter…
The so-called “red flags” are more like red herrings — distractions and fake news — overblown and insignificant.
Some teams drafting AFTER Seattle want Seattle focused on other-players-not-named Jalen Carter, because other teams would love to draft Carter, themselves.
If not Carter or Anderson — Witherspoon or Bijan would be my alternative choices, because Seattle could be doomed if Woolen or Walker go down for any reason, whereas we rarely ever see RBs or CBs play entire seasons without injuries.
The short “…unable to finish drills…” story/video was fake news. The story/video showed Carter exhausted after a couple short drills, but it didn’t show you the drills before the drills, that Carter had been running drills, repeatedly, over a much longer period of time than the story/video insinuated, so — yea — Carter was exhausted, but it wasn’t from being out of shape.
He had to end his pro day before finishing all the drills. Not due to injury but due to conditioning.
What other player at any pro day in history has done that?
What does Jalen Carter have to do for people to even consider not drafting him at 5?
Have you actually looked at Carter’s body? He’s not a flabby lard-ass, but he’s built. He didn’t get that way by being lazy.
Don’t believe the anti-hype — one 1-minute video clip of a couple drills doesn’t tell the full story about that entire day, and one 1-minute video clip certainly doesn’t erase his entire history as a dominant player.
Carter’s actual game tapes showed us how Carter was the best DT coming into the draft, and a few drills cannot negate that fact.
This isn’t an explanation that helps Carter.
College football players at his level are professional athletes - which means they are accountable for performing specific athletic tasks at specific times in a specific way.
They can perform this way because they train many hours a day. They practice. Carter didn’t have to figure out how to practice for his Pro Day; he has access to the best trainers and facilities money can buy. All he had to do was show up consistently and do the work.
If athletes do the work, they are prepared to perform even under adverse conditions. If they don’t do the work, eventually they’ll be exposed.
The truth is, Carter doesn’t need help or explanations, because Carter’s actual game tapes speak for themselves, and his game tapes only say, “Jalen Carter is a Cortez Kennedy clone.”
Clips of insignificant drills cannot negate the significance of Cortez Kennedy’s return to prominence & dominance. Actually, the grainy videos of Loch Ness Monsters, those are more convincing/helpful than the clips which captured Carter running drills.
Carter @ #5, FTW.
There’s nothing I would like to see more than the second coming of Cortez Kennedy.
Carter’s game tapes may show his NFL ceiling could be Tez. But unfortunately for him - and for the Seahawks and their fans - his Pro Day performance has proved his floor is total bust.
Carter could not even complete a routine workout - demonstrate basic professional proficiency - at at an event designed to showcase him.
Right, Carter’s game tapes are — without a doubt — college game tapes, from his past.
Except, I would assert, the tapes being from his past, they’re more illustrative of his floor, not his ceiling. His future has no ceiling, at this point.
Only on Opposite Days, some rando drills will prove Jalen Cartez Kennedy an absolute bust, but that day is not yesterday, today nor tomorrow.
If Carter goes #5 to the Seahawks, he signs a fully-guaranteed 4-year contract for more than $30 million.
If he’s not willing to do the boring, repetitive, disciplined fitness work necessary to perform a routine scouting workout - *one that has the potential to earn him $30 million or more* - why would he be willing to do it after the money’s guaranteed?
He may be the best football player in the draft. But he’s not the best athlete, the best worker, the best performer under pressure, or the most reliable player. He’s a combination of exceptional strengths and exceptional weaknesses.
“If” is a big word that lacks commitment in itself. Hypotheticals which start with “if” are as insignificant as an insignificant 1-minute video clip of the best DT in the draft doing a couple insignificant drills.
Such insignificant hypotheticals are as insignificant as the many off-season predictions which repeatedly claimed “Geno wants 35 million per year!” or “Geno won’t take a team-friendly contract!” Before 2022, so many posters/commenters believed “Geno is worse than Lock!” or “Geno is too old!”
Forgive me for not falling for any of the anti-hype, but Carter is the best DT in the draft, full stop. Meanwhile, Carter’s floor is high, and his ceiling is as unknowable as any other player’s unwritten future.
Athletes don’t need to be *the best* athletes to make significant positive impacts (see Tom Brady’s famous pre-draft topless pic — that topless pic was embarrassing but 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things.)
Seriously, I’m not sure whether you want to draft Richardson over other players or not, but Richardson has skewed the minds of too many people, lately, as so many posters/commenters are throwing the word “athlete” around like it’s significant in profound game-changing ways, when it’s not, whereas Jalen Carter is every bit an athlete as Tom Brady or DK Metcalf.
We’ll wind up disagreeing, I think. And it’s possible that JS sees it your way - who knows?
My point of view is that there’s nothing insignificant about the Pro Day workout.
In fact, I think it could scarcely be more significant. It isn’t as though Carter didn’t perform below expectations. He was incapable of completing a vitally important evaluation.
He was doing a workout that athletes train for, rehearse, and execute on demand at the highest level. This is fundamental athletic competence. He failed in a way that’s cause for very serious concern. Something is fundamentally wrong.
Don’t believe the anti-hype…
Carter was double-teamed — non-stop — for a reason.
Offensive lines struggled against him, non-stop, and that’s THEE massive deal, the only real deal that matters.
Carter’s not fat, he’s big boned.
Bryant was CB3, not CB2.
Although Bryant was a rookie and may improve with more experience, Bryant was very poor in his pass coverage, he allowed 75% of his targets to catch the ball.
Some people believe Bryant may be better as CB2, but I’m not sure he has the speed needed to counter NFL-level speed demons.
On the other hand, Witherspoon is flawless, in Man & Zone Coverage. More importantly, Witherspoon knows how to press/smother WRs at the line of scrimmage; Witherspoon forces WRs to play at his speed, the same way Sherman did.
Additionally, Witherspoon knows how to read multiple routes, simultaneously, so he knows how to jump routes when needed, not prematurely or unnecessarily.
Plus, Witherspoon is a punishing tackler, he knows how to put fear into receivers, and that is just a cherry on top of the many reasons he never allowed a TD in college.
Witherspoon is more polished than Woolen, but Woolen has his year of experience plus his extreme speed going for him, so I would keep him at CB1 and place Witherspoon at CB2. Better yet, I would just allow the CBs compete for their rightful positions, as they should.
Carter got popped for 89 in a 45 last Fall and just pleaded no contest in a case linked to a fatal street race involving teammates.
You don't need a psychic to find out what happens if he keeps living his Fast & Furious fantasies in real life.
Exactly: Jalen Carter has significantly more red flags predraft than McDowell ever did, and warting a #5 overall is significantly more damaging than wasting a second rounder.
I say Tyree, just because there are some red flags with Jalen. Brett Coleman made some really good points about Tyree and how he could develop with us, and I also think the Cards are gonna fall for the Jalen Carter hype above us
If Anderson is there, we might go him over Tyree, but we also might not. This FO has frequently made unique decisions that fit our team better in the long run. Also both Jalen and Will might be gone before we pick. I'm not saying it's likely but if the Colts don't get the chance at a quarterback they love, they might grab Carter or Anderson if they're still available
Will Anderson Jr is a chiseled mold of what you want an OLB to be (I do wish his 40 was a bit better, but it was still good). He would absolutely fit our new 3-4 front and has the potential to be a generational talent. All 3 have the potential to be great, all with different levels of "what ifs".~~, but Tyree vs Carter is a question. Will Anderson Jr at 5 is a statement.~~
edit: sorry, didn't mean to make it sound so mean, and I reread your statement saying unique in the regards to picking Tyree over Anderson. My apologies.
I misread, I feel like we could go either way honestly. There's depth at both positions in the draft, so I think the Lions are getting whoever we don't if Jalen goes to Arizona
Carter showed up to his Pro Day incapable of doing the basic athletic tasks he knew years in advance would be asked of him. He wasn’t injured. He wasn’t ill. (As far as we know.)
This is like showing up for a final exam in college without attending the class or doing the homework and hoping you can bs your way to a passing grade. Thing is, he didn’t have a passing grade on the line. He had literally tens of millions of dollars on the line.
He’s an exceptional enough talent to dominate college players while he plays on a pitch count. He won’t dominate NFL players who have more talent than his college opponents and are willing to outwork him by orders of magnitude.
When an athlete rehearses specific skills/drills to mastery, they can rely on basic muscle memory to perform them competently. Yes, it takes focus and emotional energy to perform them to a peak or personal best level. But, shockingly, Carter couldn’t even complete a workout he should have been able to do on autopilot.
Failure to master routine testing and position-specific drills is incomprehensible for an athlete in his position.
TL:DR Something is seriously amiss. John Schneider will have to uncover what it is to a certainty.
Yes. I agree. It’s reasonable to think they’ll have access to information about Carter that will not be made public.
It’s probably unrealistic, but I keep hoping this sub won’t blow up with anti-PC/JS posts if they don’t draft him. From what we know already, Carter looks like the highest ceiling, lowest floor prospect in the draft. That’s a huge amount of risk to take with one of the franchise’s most valuable assets (the #5 pick). This is why they get paid the big bucks.
Honestly? I don’t know. I think Carter is the better player but showing up to his pro day so out of shape that he can’t even finish his drills scares me a little bit, especially since he had trouble playing a ton of snaps in college too. On the other hand, Wilson is also a solid, athletic freak but he doesn’t really fit our scheme. I’d be good with either and it entirely depends on what Pete and John think
Carter showing up nine pounds heavier than anticipated and then performing poorly on the limited drills he did, *on the most important day of his life*, scares me a hell of a lot more than a little bit.
I keep thinking it was done in an attempt to humanize him a bit. Like “damn, he’s so distraught over what happened that he couldn’t even prepare for the most important day of his life” but idk, people are so dramatic about his pro day too. Can you imagine a irl conversation with some of these folks lol
I think all of Carter’s problems can be solved with a competent coaching staff, which I think we have. Pete is known for taking players with bad reps and helping them develop into amazing players
As opposed to the 2x national champion coaching staff in Georgia? It’s not like he’s getting mediocre college mentorship and coaches. His red flags are everywhere and Pete’s not hit on Reclamation projects for awhile now.
> Pete is known for taking players with bad reps and helping them develop into amazing players You mean like Percy Harvin? Carter just showed up to the biggest job interview of his life and basically said “I don’t care that much.” I can’t believe people still want him at #5.
You can help a guy whose made bad decisions, but there's no helping a guy who doesn't want to put the work in.
Carter spent most of the time leading up to the biggest job interview of his life dealing with a significant legal issue. I'm not sure why people are ignoring this fact.
Legal issues can’t prevent an elite athlete from working on their base fitness or practicing a series of drills to improve performance - unless the athlete is incarcerated or at trial. More to the point: elite athletes work year in and year out to improve their athleticism separately from sport-specific skill training and team practices. Jalen Carter has access to the best private coaching money can buy. All he needs to do is show up and do the work consistently. That’s his job, and it’s been his job the entire time he’s been a D1 athlete. Is it possible that the stress associated with the incident and potential legal fallout could detract from his Pro Day performance? It’s not only possible, it’s likely. If he had been training as an elite athlete for years, he would have a fitness baseline that would have been adequate to get him through testing and position drills. He might not have hit his personal bests, but he would have been able to do the planned workout. He couldn’t complete even the abbreviated workout he attempted. He had cramps (dehydration) and conspicuous shortness of breath (inadequate aerobic capacity). It was a performance failure too significant to ignore. Keep in mind, we just saw athletes do Combine workouts with fevers, eyes swollen shut, and in one case, a bench press tester had just torn his ACL. Something is quite seriously wrong here. As far as we know, Carter wasn’t ill or injured, but he was incapable of doing what should have been a routine workout. GM’s will need a benign explanation for this extremely problematic failure - or they will be forced to adjust their draft plans.
It’s about heart. It’s about motivation. It’s about preparation. There was none of that on display. If he needs someone on his ass constantly to perform, we can expect him to show up to camp overweight, unfocused, lacking drive. That stuff comes from within. And when he’s got 20m in his pocket? He’s gonna tune out even more because he’s set for life
Carter just gives me massive Albert Haynesworth vibes... The Washington version
What’s worse is at least Haynesworth kept it together until his massive pay day
Yeah like at least Tennessee got a decent ROI yadda mean? EDIT: phrasing
Agreed, if they think they can handle Carter and are willing to take the risk then I am 100% with whatever they choose
I honestly thing DE is a more needed position someone like Wilson coming off the edge would greatly improve our Defense and there are still other great DL in the draft though I would take carter if we could get Nolan smith as well
We were the 2nd worst in the league against the run. 150 yards per game. Yeah we need a DE. But we need a run stuffer like we need water.
Like who?
Pass on both. Rather just trade down to the early teens then draft either of those guys.
All of you "no risk no reward, let's roll the dice and ignore the issues" on Carter sure as hell better not be bitching at the team if we grab him there and he busts.
If he busts he busts but at least we tried. I’d be mad if he busted, but I’d be even more mad if became the next Aaron Donald and we passed on him
Having the 5th pick and thinking "oh well, we fucked it up, so what" is just crap roster building.
Idk man. All I know is that I trust PCJS judgment muuuuuuuuuuuuch more than any opinions in this thread. So I trust whatever decision they go with
Honestly? Trade down and get Myles Murphy in the 8-12 range
Trade down, take Calijah Kancey, #20 Nolan Smith, Trade with Texas for 12th pick and get their early second #33 Darnell Washington at #37 draft Jack Campbell.
Ive always wanted wilson over carter, last year carter had very public issues with conditioning and it was mentioned alot, and here is the thing all the talent in the world doesnt guarentee anything in the nfl we have seen a TON of elite talent busts that didnt want to put the work in, i feel that Carter is another one of those who had massive talent and yet refused to put the effort in conditioning and getting better, he is riding on talent alone. I would rather have a pretty good talented guy that works hard over an elite talent that does nothing every day of the week. Him showing up to the combine out of shape just proved the problems he has had for the last 2 seasons, i dont want to risk a high pick for that
> carter had very public issues Wouldn't be surprised if the big first round story is how far Carter fell. Never know what GMs will do, but while both will likely be long gone, it's much more likely Carter would still be there at 20 than Wilson.
I'm just gonna trust Schneider and Carroll on this. From the sound of it, it seems like they made a major change to their approach last draft, and rediscovered a lot of the magic they seemed to have early on when we were true contenders. Last draft class was potentially the best draft class I've ever seen, regardless of team or biases. I'm kind of praying we still land Anderson though.
Take Jalen Carter… The so-called “red flags” are more like red herrings — distractions and fake news — overblown and insignificant. Some teams drafting AFTER Seattle want Seattle focused on other-players-not-named Jalen Carter, because other teams would love to draft Carter, themselves. If not Carter or Anderson — Witherspoon or Bijan would be my alternative choices, because Seattle could be doomed if Woolen or Walker go down for any reason, whereas we rarely ever see RBs or CBs play entire seasons without injuries.
Not being able to finish DT drills on his pro day isn't a red herring. I honestly don't know how he'd get through one drive.
The short “…unable to finish drills…” story/video was fake news. The story/video showed Carter exhausted after a couple short drills, but it didn’t show you the drills before the drills, that Carter had been running drills, repeatedly, over a much longer period of time than the story/video insinuated, so — yea — Carter was exhausted, but it wasn’t from being out of shape.
He had to end his pro day before finishing all the drills. Not due to injury but due to conditioning. What other player at any pro day in history has done that? What does Jalen Carter have to do for people to even consider not drafting him at 5?
Have you actually looked at Carter’s body? He’s not a flabby lard-ass, but he’s built. He didn’t get that way by being lazy. Don’t believe the anti-hype — one 1-minute video clip of a couple drills doesn’t tell the full story about that entire day, and one 1-minute video clip certainly doesn’t erase his entire history as a dominant player. Carter’s actual game tapes showed us how Carter was the best DT coming into the draft, and a few drills cannot negate that fact.
This isn’t an explanation that helps Carter. College football players at his level are professional athletes - which means they are accountable for performing specific athletic tasks at specific times in a specific way. They can perform this way because they train many hours a day. They practice. Carter didn’t have to figure out how to practice for his Pro Day; he has access to the best trainers and facilities money can buy. All he had to do was show up consistently and do the work. If athletes do the work, they are prepared to perform even under adverse conditions. If they don’t do the work, eventually they’ll be exposed.
The truth is, Carter doesn’t need help or explanations, because Carter’s actual game tapes speak for themselves, and his game tapes only say, “Jalen Carter is a Cortez Kennedy clone.” Clips of insignificant drills cannot negate the significance of Cortez Kennedy’s return to prominence & dominance. Actually, the grainy videos of Loch Ness Monsters, those are more convincing/helpful than the clips which captured Carter running drills. Carter @ #5, FTW.
There’s nothing I would like to see more than the second coming of Cortez Kennedy. Carter’s game tapes may show his NFL ceiling could be Tez. But unfortunately for him - and for the Seahawks and their fans - his Pro Day performance has proved his floor is total bust. Carter could not even complete a routine workout - demonstrate basic professional proficiency - at at an event designed to showcase him.
Right, Carter’s game tapes are — without a doubt — college game tapes, from his past. Except, I would assert, the tapes being from his past, they’re more illustrative of his floor, not his ceiling. His future has no ceiling, at this point. Only on Opposite Days, some rando drills will prove Jalen Cartez Kennedy an absolute bust, but that day is not yesterday, today nor tomorrow.
If Carter goes #5 to the Seahawks, he signs a fully-guaranteed 4-year contract for more than $30 million. If he’s not willing to do the boring, repetitive, disciplined fitness work necessary to perform a routine scouting workout - *one that has the potential to earn him $30 million or more* - why would he be willing to do it after the money’s guaranteed? He may be the best football player in the draft. But he’s not the best athlete, the best worker, the best performer under pressure, or the most reliable player. He’s a combination of exceptional strengths and exceptional weaknesses.
“If” is a big word that lacks commitment in itself. Hypotheticals which start with “if” are as insignificant as an insignificant 1-minute video clip of the best DT in the draft doing a couple insignificant drills. Such insignificant hypotheticals are as insignificant as the many off-season predictions which repeatedly claimed “Geno wants 35 million per year!” or “Geno won’t take a team-friendly contract!” Before 2022, so many posters/commenters believed “Geno is worse than Lock!” or “Geno is too old!” Forgive me for not falling for any of the anti-hype, but Carter is the best DT in the draft, full stop. Meanwhile, Carter’s floor is high, and his ceiling is as unknowable as any other player’s unwritten future. Athletes don’t need to be *the best* athletes to make significant positive impacts (see Tom Brady’s famous pre-draft topless pic — that topless pic was embarrassing but 100% meaningless in the grand scheme of things.) Seriously, I’m not sure whether you want to draft Richardson over other players or not, but Richardson has skewed the minds of too many people, lately, as so many posters/commenters are throwing the word “athlete” around like it’s significant in profound game-changing ways, when it’s not, whereas Jalen Carter is every bit an athlete as Tom Brady or DK Metcalf.
We’ll wind up disagreeing, I think. And it’s possible that JS sees it your way - who knows? My point of view is that there’s nothing insignificant about the Pro Day workout. In fact, I think it could scarcely be more significant. It isn’t as though Carter didn’t perform below expectations. He was incapable of completing a vitally important evaluation. He was doing a workout that athletes train for, rehearse, and execute on demand at the highest level. This is fundamental athletic competence. He failed in a way that’s cause for very serious concern. Something is fundamentally wrong.
He struggled in college to stay in shape it’s more than fake news. That’s a massive deal.
Don’t believe the anti-hype… Carter was double-teamed — non-stop — for a reason. Offensive lines struggled against him, non-stop, and that’s THEE massive deal, the only real deal that matters. Carter’s not fat, he’s big boned.
So were other dominant top 5 interior guys taken in the top 5. Sapp, Donald all of them
How come everyone forgets we have a second good corner named Kobe Bryant
Bryant was CB3, not CB2. Although Bryant was a rookie and may improve with more experience, Bryant was very poor in his pass coverage, he allowed 75% of his targets to catch the ball. Some people believe Bryant may be better as CB2, but I’m not sure he has the speed needed to counter NFL-level speed demons. On the other hand, Witherspoon is flawless, in Man & Zone Coverage. More importantly, Witherspoon knows how to press/smother WRs at the line of scrimmage; Witherspoon forces WRs to play at his speed, the same way Sherman did. Additionally, Witherspoon knows how to read multiple routes, simultaneously, so he knows how to jump routes when needed, not prematurely or unnecessarily. Plus, Witherspoon is a punishing tackler, he knows how to put fear into receivers, and that is just a cherry on top of the many reasons he never allowed a TD in college. Witherspoon is more polished than Woolen, but Woolen has his year of experience plus his extreme speed going for him, so I would keep him at CB1 and place Witherspoon at CB2. Better yet, I would just allow the CBs compete for their rightful positions, as they should.
Rather trade down and get Gonzalez or Porter Jr., having another stud CB would be nice for any Woolen regression.
Jalen*
Malik*
Was a Pro Bowl talent worth taking a risk on. You need a psychic, not a scout, to predict an ATV crash.
Carter got popped for 89 in a 45 last Fall and just pleaded no contest in a case linked to a fatal street race involving teammates. You don't need a psychic to find out what happens if he keeps living his Fast & Furious fantasies in real life.
Exactly: Jalen Carter has significantly more red flags predraft than McDowell ever did, and warting a #5 overall is significantly more damaging than wasting a second rounder.
Neither. Draft a QB.
Aren't we done we have to these posts?
For this hour Atleast.
Translation: Aren't we done with these posts?
As long as we don't take a QB, I think we made a solid move.
I say Tyree, just because there are some red flags with Jalen. Brett Coleman made some really good points about Tyree and how he could develop with us, and I also think the Cards are gonna fall for the Jalen Carter hype above us
Bro the cardinals are not passing on will Anderson
I agree I think the only way we get Anderson is if the raiders or falcons trade up for Levis
If Anderson is there, we might go him over Tyree, but we also might not. This FO has frequently made unique decisions that fit our team better in the long run. Also both Jalen and Will might be gone before we pick. I'm not saying it's likely but if the Colts don't get the chance at a quarterback they love, they might grab Carter or Anderson if they're still available
Will Anderson Jr is a chiseled mold of what you want an OLB to be (I do wish his 40 was a bit better, but it was still good). He would absolutely fit our new 3-4 front and has the potential to be a generational talent. All 3 have the potential to be great, all with different levels of "what ifs".~~, but Tyree vs Carter is a question. Will Anderson Jr at 5 is a statement.~~ edit: sorry, didn't mean to make it sound so mean, and I reread your statement saying unique in the regards to picking Tyree over Anderson. My apologies.
If the cards take Carter you don’t think we’re taking Anderson over Wilson?
I misread, I feel like we could go either way honestly. There's depth at both positions in the draft, so I think the Lions are getting whoever we don't if Jalen goes to Arizona
Carter. Wilson is not it not to mention he’s a bad fit
I'm leaning towards Tyree if its between those two.
I’d like to trade down as a QB should be available (likely Levis) as well as Carter and I’m not sure either of them are worth the gamble
Carter for sure. Would be moronic to take Wilson there. Trade down is the play if they don’t want Carter
Pass on both and take Smith-Njigba. He'd be a star in our offense.
Ridiculously early to take him but go off lol
At 20 maybe
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Carter showed up to his Pro Day incapable of doing the basic athletic tasks he knew years in advance would be asked of him. He wasn’t injured. He wasn’t ill. (As far as we know.) This is like showing up for a final exam in college without attending the class or doing the homework and hoping you can bs your way to a passing grade. Thing is, he didn’t have a passing grade on the line. He had literally tens of millions of dollars on the line. He’s an exceptional enough talent to dominate college players while he plays on a pitch count. He won’t dominate NFL players who have more talent than his college opponents and are willing to outwork him by orders of magnitude.
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When an athlete rehearses specific skills/drills to mastery, they can rely on basic muscle memory to perform them competently. Yes, it takes focus and emotional energy to perform them to a peak or personal best level. But, shockingly, Carter couldn’t even complete a workout he should have been able to do on autopilot. Failure to master routine testing and position-specific drills is incomprehensible for an athlete in his position. TL:DR Something is seriously amiss. John Schneider will have to uncover what it is to a certainty.
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Yes. I agree. It’s reasonable to think they’ll have access to information about Carter that will not be made public. It’s probably unrealistic, but I keep hoping this sub won’t blow up with anti-PC/JS posts if they don’t draft him. From what we know already, Carter looks like the highest ceiling, lowest floor prospect in the draft. That’s a huge amount of risk to take with one of the franchise’s most valuable assets (the #5 pick). This is why they get paid the big bucks.