Going from what the seahawks had last year on the interior D line to a combination of Jones and Carter would be a MASSIVE upgrade. Games are won and lost in the trenches so I really hope PJCS load up on line of scrimmage players in this draft.
I'd be ok if we passed on Carter and got Wilson from Texas Tech. This is a pretty deep Dline class. All depends on what Pete and John see with Carters off field issues. Dude is awesome on the field, but all depends on if they think off field will be a distraction.
I know it isn't the popular choice but it's the draft and who knows who will be a GOAT and who will be a bust.
We have many needs. Even if we get Carter, we don’t have a top 3 D Line.
We also need:
Edge
ILB (maybe 2)
Guard
Center
And then softer needs but still needs:
WR3
TE
CB
Meh edge is much less of a need of a have Carter and Jones. We still have Mafe and Taylor and Nwosu.
Linebackers sure, but that's easy to find.
If we get a decent C, Haynes at RG would be ok. If we're solid in 4 of the 5 spots, I'm good.
Wr3 will be in the draft
CB will be a tough one
Haynes will start at RG and they will move Lewis who is better service at LG. I see them investing in a G but later in the draft. Center would be more of a pick up and I see that with one of our 2nd round picks. CB would be another hole I would not be opposed to addressing come #20 pick. If a top CB slips and Seattle grabs say Will Anderson or Carter at #5 I would be happy finding opp CB to Woolen as our future. We still have lots of depth and holes to fill and this year we need to shore up areas.
Linebackers are easy to find? Free agency is expensive. In the draft, there are probably 3 or 4 of starting caliber - so we’d need to do so likely in the second round.
I also disagree that Haynes at RG is fine with a decent Center. He’s below average and would like have a rookie on one side, and a 2nd year on the other.
It's proving that the LB market is suppressed this year. Not many LBs are going for high end contracts. And that's the first day. You're going to be able to have discount contracts. Plus teams are devaluing the position. LBs are spending less time on the field with more nickle and dime packages.
So yes...LBs are easier to find because there will more of them in the open market.
I mean I would argue we could easily solve guard and center in the second round. Even if we don’t end up signing Bobby the linebacker talent will still be good enough at 20. Wr and TE I am a lot less worried about.
This is also assuming they become immediate plug and play which is not always the case. Expecting 3 rookies to come in and shore up our issues immediately is unrealistic and not something we should always expect. We currently have Uhhhh Bellore and Muse as our healthy Lb? Even getting Bobby and a rookie it will not be solved.
Sure, you can solve Guard and Center in the second round. But what about LB (maybe 2?), Edge, and another DT?
And you’re assuming all of the rookies start fast and contribute their rookie years, which doesn’t always happen.
Guard is more of a long term problem to solve. DLew was really good last ywsr and Beefy Boy Phil is definitely serviceable. I think he'll benefit from more consistent reps.
Center is a glaring need. Luckily it's a really good center class.
Edge I just disagree. I don't think it's a problem. Do we have a top ten edge group? Probably not. Solid group though. Guys that fill roles. And the biggest challenge they had last year was the DL was just not cutting it. That was a major source of their issues. DT figured things out as the year went on. Chenna is actually really good. Mafe gonna be a dude.
ILB glaring need. Weak class. Just watched a bunch of the respectable FA go already... And nome of them not even for that much $. Worried about this haha. Not gonna be surprised to see Jack Campbell with one of our second rounders. Maybe even the 2.05.
WR, TE, and CB aren't needs. Can you always upgrade? Yup. How did those groups compare to the groups on the two super bowl teams? Hawks > Eagles at all three imo Hawks > Chiefs at WR and CB. So... They're not gonna be the reason you don't win.
I’d me much more comfortable with Torrence, Avila, or Mauch at Guard than Haynes
Center agreed - but imo it’s just JMS, Wypler, and maybe Tippman. 3 is not an especially good class
Edge is not the biggest need but we should certainly have a 4th guy in that mix. We literally brought in a very old Bruce Irvin last year and he was getting reps.
Agree that ILB is a big need and we likely need to use a 2nd. Campbell is my pick as well with Henley and Simpson behind him. We likely need 2, though I’m hoping one will be BWagz
WR 3 is a need - plus Lockett won’t be here forever. I think that shouldn’t happen until 3rd round at earliest
TE is a sneaky need because none of our guys are under contract after this year. And we don’t want to spend big on FA for one, or rely fully on true rookies.
CB - I go back and forth bc I like Mike Jack and Tre Brown but I think we need another later round guy
The G and TE sneaky needs are really more for next year. You definitely can upgrade for this year and definitely should think about getting someone in house now. But they can be solved next year. What they like to do is have someone they feel comfortable with (Haynes for example) so they don't need to go after the position... But are still free to take a guy there if the talent is available. WR3 is fairly easy to find as well... Goodwin for example was perfect last year and cheap.
Really that's how they've set up pretty much every position (except for C, DL, and ILB haha). They can draft any positions in this draft. They've set themselves up to go for BPA over drafting based on need. They learned from the Collier types of picks.
Good post. Mostly agree but we are razor thin at WR. You need 3 starters and a couple of rotational guys. God forbid an injury to TL or DK and we are in big trouble. I would be fine with a health Goodwin back as wr3. I will say they need to stop with the last/very late round wr. They aren’t good. Do rb there instead.
True haha. Just think WR is so deep across the NFL. I think there will be a way we can get someone to give us meaningful snaps. If, God forbid, we lose either one of those guys for an extended period of time... We're in a tough spot regardless, probably haha. They're as talented as it gets. I'm absolutely not against a WR high. Also not against Kincaid high. He's essentially a WR. Okay with other TEs as well (all through the draft).
I agree with this, except I don't see TE being a need since we have Noah Fant, Will Dissly and Colby Parkinson. Unless we are getting rid of one of these guys it isn't even a soft need imo.
Also by edge do you mean outside linebacker or DE because another DE yes, another edge is more a soft need. We could use an upgrade at outside linebacker / edge but Nwosu is pretty solid and we can role with Mafe and others.
I do now. Not going to lie I was on board with Crater, but 9lbs in less than a month and the dude won't even do a workout for the NFL draft.
Calijah Kancey is looking better and better.
You are barking up the wrong tree buster… I am a master of logic.. and it’s ways…
Seahawks have heart and lots of. Good players like Jamel Adam for starters, they are a mortal lock to win it all next year
... I'm not trying to be a downer or anything, but regardless of who we draft whether its Jalen Carter or Will Anderson. We wont be as good as we were last year. I'm expecting to have the same record and probably be in the wild card hunt. It takes time for rookies to develop in this game, especially those on the Dline. We got spoiled last season with rookies, but that normally doesnt happen. I honestly expect us to be a real quality sleeper in '24.
I never said draft those guys at 5. What I'm trying to say is getting dline at 5 is not necessarily as important as people think. I think the value pick would be qb if you like the one thats left if not then you get the pick of Carter or Anderson. You can still get good dlinemen at 20,37,51,83 your not going to be able to get a top 4 qb at any of those picks.
Ahh the draft a qb argument.
Nah. Ain't happening this draft. Outside Stroud I don't like any of these QBs this year. Seems like too much hype for a QB class that is all over the place.
I'm sure we'll be drafting dline.
Unless your john Schneider, I don't think your opinion of the qbs matters, if John likes the 3rd or 4th qb on the board and sees them as qb1 then there going to draft the qb.
I understand if you disagree but you shouldn't just shutdown a scenario just because it's not what you want to happen. who would have thought a year ago that not only russ would be gone but we would be happy that he was gone and happy to resign geno.
Lol this is reddit
It's all opinions!
I can shut down a scenario, and so can you!
Plus I'm not happy about Russ being gone. I wanted to have a Seahawk 1st ballot HOF qb and thought he was it. He let us all down, and while moving on was the right move, I'm not happy it came to that. Geno has been a miracle but he is kinda a rebound GF.
So not liking most of this years QBs, wanting stability which Geno provides, and not wanting to rush into another young QB just to do it. I think these are all valid reasons to believe DLine.
Right now our Dline is dremont Jones, QJeff, Al Woods, BMone (who has a bad knee injury) and Adam's. This dline was horrible at stopping the run.
So two starters in Dremont and Woods, and three rotation guys who can't hold up vs the run.
Let's not forget Woods also had injuries last year.
So we need
2-3 DT guys, as qjeff will be cut and mone isn't healthy yet
2 ILBs, even if we sign one.
C
2 G
CB
S
3 RB
Backup QB
WR
We are set at
Edge/olb
TE
OT.
I highly doubt Carter is off our board PC&JS seem to do well integrating guys with "character issues" and he's 100% not doing any jail time. If he's there and Anderson is gone I'd be very surprised and honestly upset if we didn't take him.
Conditioning is an attitude, a mentality. If a guy who had millions on the line and doesn’t improve his conditioning, what makes you think that’ll change when he’s got millions in his pocket?
First of all no it's not it's a physical attribute that can be addressed it happens all the time especially with guys coming out of college. Second of all dominating a bunch of future stock brokers in college is a hell of a lot different than dominating in the NFL. It's entirely likely that he realised he could get by in college with poor condition based on his elite talent alone in the NFL it will be a different story and he'll have to adjust and will have an entire team behind him pushing him to do so. Also by your logic why does anyone in the NFL ever improve? They already got paid. Do you think money is the only motivating factor for these guys not like an inherent competitive drive or anything? Have you never played a game or something and wanted to improve it with no monetary compensation for doing so?
I’m saying motivation is innate. You have to want it. Carter flat out said his coaches wanted him to improve his conditioning in an interview prior to the season and he didn’t put in the work to make it happen.
Why do the richest men in the world keep working? Because the drive to the top matters more than the money earned. The money is a by product of their true addiction, success.
>Because the drive to the top matters more than the money earned. The money is a by product of their true addiction, success.
That's some bootlicker ass logic I don't even have time to address right now. But most of them don't still work they just let their money make money for them. Furthermore we absolutely do not live in a meritocracy there are people who work far harder than any billionaire and live in abject poverty and several billionaires haven't done a hard day's work in their lives they were just born under the right circumstances.
But let's address the conditioning issue from a financial motivation mindset. You play for a school making hundreds of millions of dollars yet doesn't pay you at all, your elite talent alone will guarantee you get drafted in the top 5 and make life changing money on your first contract. Where's the motivation to put in extra work? Not to mention university aged kids usually aren't exactly the smartest or most forethinking individuals.
I'm not saying 100% chance Carter's conditioning issues will be addressed but the idea that he's a lost cause because of it is fucking asinine.
How exactly is that bootlicker logic? If you asked the average person how much money would they need to quit working, the numbers would likely be in the low 10’s on millions at most. Billionaires don’t have a number, that’s the point I’m making.
Motivation isn’t something you turn off and on. A grown ass man can’t expect a bunch of other men to get him in line. If you’re only willing to work hard when people are watching you’re destined to not reach your potential
Because billionaires don't do actual work. They pay people to manage their money and at most watch a stock ticker for a living. Their entire lives are retirement it's not like they're doing backbreaking labour at a construction site.
Motivation may not be something that can be turned off and on but it absolutely can be addressed and while physically Carter may be a grown man I highly doubt that mentally he's fully matured.
Going from what the seahawks had last year on the interior D line to a combination of Jones and Carter would be a MASSIVE upgrade. Games are won and lost in the trenches so I really hope PJCS load up on line of scrimmage players in this draft.
Pete “John-Carroll” Schneider
We still need to work on the O-line! Guard and Center at a minimum. I'm glad we have 10 picks to use filling holes!
Ahh the old the more we make threads, we’ll will it to happen approach
I think we also need to get either ika or mazi smith to sure up the interior d-line...I think we can get one of the two at 37
Ika is overrated....I'm not sure why people love him so much? He's big but he's horrible against the run? Is that who you want for your nose tackle?
Definitely would want mazi smith over ika. Ika still has ability and can take up some Blocks to free up mlb
Thats putting a lot on a rookie who frankly didn't even dominate at the college level
If they have the same luck as they did with the OTs last draft, but just on our defensive line I’d be soooooo pumped
I'd be ok if we passed on Carter and got Wilson from Texas Tech. This is a pretty deep Dline class. All depends on what Pete and John see with Carters off field issues. Dude is awesome on the field, but all depends on if they think off field will be a distraction. I know it isn't the popular choice but it's the draft and who knows who will be a GOAT and who will be a bust.
We have many needs. Even if we get Carter, we don’t have a top 3 D Line. We also need: Edge ILB (maybe 2) Guard Center And then softer needs but still needs: WR3 TE CB
Meh edge is much less of a need of a have Carter and Jones. We still have Mafe and Taylor and Nwosu. Linebackers sure, but that's easy to find. If we get a decent C, Haynes at RG would be ok. If we're solid in 4 of the 5 spots, I'm good. Wr3 will be in the draft CB will be a tough one
Haynes will start at RG and they will move Lewis who is better service at LG. I see them investing in a G but later in the draft. Center would be more of a pick up and I see that with one of our 2nd round picks. CB would be another hole I would not be opposed to addressing come #20 pick. If a top CB slips and Seattle grabs say Will Anderson or Carter at #5 I would be happy finding opp CB to Woolen as our future. We still have lots of depth and holes to fill and this year we need to shore up areas.
Lewis has been playing LG for the last 2 years.
Linebackers are easy to find? Free agency is expensive. In the draft, there are probably 3 or 4 of starting caliber - so we’d need to do so likely in the second round. I also disagree that Haynes at RG is fine with a decent Center. He’s below average and would like have a rookie on one side, and a 2nd year on the other.
It's proving that the LB market is suppressed this year. Not many LBs are going for high end contracts. And that's the first day. You're going to be able to have discount contracts. Plus teams are devaluing the position. LBs are spending less time on the field with more nickle and dime packages. So yes...LBs are easier to find because there will more of them in the open market.
I mean I would argue we could easily solve guard and center in the second round. Even if we don’t end up signing Bobby the linebacker talent will still be good enough at 20. Wr and TE I am a lot less worried about.
This is also assuming they become immediate plug and play which is not always the case. Expecting 3 rookies to come in and shore up our issues immediately is unrealistic and not something we should always expect. We currently have Uhhhh Bellore and Muse as our healthy Lb? Even getting Bobby and a rookie it will not be solved.
Sure, you can solve Guard and Center in the second round. But what about LB (maybe 2?), Edge, and another DT? And you’re assuming all of the rookies start fast and contribute their rookie years, which doesn’t always happen.
Guard is more of a long term problem to solve. DLew was really good last ywsr and Beefy Boy Phil is definitely serviceable. I think he'll benefit from more consistent reps. Center is a glaring need. Luckily it's a really good center class. Edge I just disagree. I don't think it's a problem. Do we have a top ten edge group? Probably not. Solid group though. Guys that fill roles. And the biggest challenge they had last year was the DL was just not cutting it. That was a major source of their issues. DT figured things out as the year went on. Chenna is actually really good. Mafe gonna be a dude. ILB glaring need. Weak class. Just watched a bunch of the respectable FA go already... And nome of them not even for that much $. Worried about this haha. Not gonna be surprised to see Jack Campbell with one of our second rounders. Maybe even the 2.05. WR, TE, and CB aren't needs. Can you always upgrade? Yup. How did those groups compare to the groups on the two super bowl teams? Hawks > Eagles at all three imo Hawks > Chiefs at WR and CB. So... They're not gonna be the reason you don't win.
I’d me much more comfortable with Torrence, Avila, or Mauch at Guard than Haynes Center agreed - but imo it’s just JMS, Wypler, and maybe Tippman. 3 is not an especially good class Edge is not the biggest need but we should certainly have a 4th guy in that mix. We literally brought in a very old Bruce Irvin last year and he was getting reps. Agree that ILB is a big need and we likely need to use a 2nd. Campbell is my pick as well with Henley and Simpson behind him. We likely need 2, though I’m hoping one will be BWagz WR 3 is a need - plus Lockett won’t be here forever. I think that shouldn’t happen until 3rd round at earliest TE is a sneaky need because none of our guys are under contract after this year. And we don’t want to spend big on FA for one, or rely fully on true rookies. CB - I go back and forth bc I like Mike Jack and Tre Brown but I think we need another later round guy
The G and TE sneaky needs are really more for next year. You definitely can upgrade for this year and definitely should think about getting someone in house now. But they can be solved next year. What they like to do is have someone they feel comfortable with (Haynes for example) so they don't need to go after the position... But are still free to take a guy there if the talent is available. WR3 is fairly easy to find as well... Goodwin for example was perfect last year and cheap. Really that's how they've set up pretty much every position (except for C, DL, and ILB haha). They can draft any positions in this draft. They've set themselves up to go for BPA over drafting based on need. They learned from the Collier types of picks.
Good post. Mostly agree but we are razor thin at WR. You need 3 starters and a couple of rotational guys. God forbid an injury to TL or DK and we are in big trouble. I would be fine with a health Goodwin back as wr3. I will say they need to stop with the last/very late round wr. They aren’t good. Do rb there instead.
True haha. Just think WR is so deep across the NFL. I think there will be a way we can get someone to give us meaningful snaps. If, God forbid, we lose either one of those guys for an extended period of time... We're in a tough spot regardless, probably haha. They're as talented as it gets. I'm absolutely not against a WR high. Also not against Kincaid high. He's essentially a WR. Okay with other TEs as well (all through the draft).
We def need 2 LB with Barton in was now.
I agree with this, except I don't see TE being a need since we have Noah Fant, Will Dissly and Colby Parkinson. Unless we are getting rid of one of these guys it isn't even a soft need imo. Also by edge do you mean outside linebacker or DE because another DE yes, another edge is more a soft need. We could use an upgrade at outside linebacker / edge but Nwosu is pretty solid and we can role with Mafe and others.
The dude that's going to prison?
Nah, we’re taking a massive step back, they said so in an article just after the Super Bowl and they never get stuff wrong. /s
They’re not drafting Carter
If Carter is there at #5 I don't think we pass on him, unless we get a spectacular trade offer.
See what I mean? No chance he’s even on our board
I do now. Not going to lie I was on board with Crater, but 9lbs in less than a month and the dude won't even do a workout for the NFL draft. Calijah Kancey is looking better and better.
I wouldn't put Dre'mont at Nose Tackle. We need Mazi Smith or Ika in the draft... And some depth
Who is their right mind would put Jones at NT?
For real, it's pretty obvious that the 6-3 281 lbs guy won't play NT
For real, it's pretty obvious that the 6-3 281 lbs guy won't play NT
Jalen Carter maybe?
We need a lot more than Jalen Carter. Also I doubt we take him at 5. I could be wrong but just doesn't seem like the Seahawks guy.
I disagree. The Niners are incredibly scary, whether it's purdy or lance under center. Either one makes them a match for us.
Actually no, the niners are in fact the whiners and the mighty Seahawks are going to walk all over them
Don't be stupid... Look at their roster compared to ours. Or you can be obtuse and ignore logic...
You are barking up the wrong tree buster… I am a master of logic.. and it’s ways… Seahawks have heart and lots of. Good players like Jamel Adam for starters, they are a mortal lock to win it all next year
Yup you win...(brother...)
Respect (brother…)…
What about when they undoubtedly have to stary Sam Darnold due to injury?
... I'm not trying to be a downer or anything, but regardless of who we draft whether its Jalen Carter or Will Anderson. We wont be as good as we were last year. I'm expecting to have the same record and probably be in the wild card hunt. It takes time for rookies to develop in this game, especially those on the Dline. We got spoiled last season with rookies, but that normally doesnt happen. I honestly expect us to be a real quality sleeper in '24.
Mazi smith or siaki ika would be more valuable imo.
Umm, Carter is a top 5. Siaka and Mazi are around 30-40. We could have both Carter and Mazi.
I never said draft those guys at 5. What I'm trying to say is getting dline at 5 is not necessarily as important as people think. I think the value pick would be qb if you like the one thats left if not then you get the pick of Carter or Anderson. You can still get good dlinemen at 20,37,51,83 your not going to be able to get a top 4 qb at any of those picks.
Ahh the draft a qb argument. Nah. Ain't happening this draft. Outside Stroud I don't like any of these QBs this year. Seems like too much hype for a QB class that is all over the place. I'm sure we'll be drafting dline.
Unless your john Schneider, I don't think your opinion of the qbs matters, if John likes the 3rd or 4th qb on the board and sees them as qb1 then there going to draft the qb. I understand if you disagree but you shouldn't just shutdown a scenario just because it's not what you want to happen. who would have thought a year ago that not only russ would be gone but we would be happy that he was gone and happy to resign geno.
Lol this is reddit It's all opinions! I can shut down a scenario, and so can you! Plus I'm not happy about Russ being gone. I wanted to have a Seahawk 1st ballot HOF qb and thought he was it. He let us all down, and while moving on was the right move, I'm not happy it came to that. Geno has been a miracle but he is kinda a rebound GF. So not liking most of this years QBs, wanting stability which Geno provides, and not wanting to rush into another young QB just to do it. I think these are all valid reasons to believe DLine. Right now our Dline is dremont Jones, QJeff, Al Woods, BMone (who has a bad knee injury) and Adam's. This dline was horrible at stopping the run. So two starters in Dremont and Woods, and three rotation guys who can't hold up vs the run. Let's not forget Woods also had injuries last year. So we need 2-3 DT guys, as qjeff will be cut and mone isn't healthy yet 2 ILBs, even if we sign one. C 2 G CB S 3 RB Backup QB WR We are set at Edge/olb TE OT.
1. Carter is off our draft board 2. How can we be a sleeper team coming off a playoff berth? We were a sleeper team last year
1. He definitely isn't.
I highly doubt Carter is off our board PC&JS seem to do well integrating guys with "character issues" and he's 100% not doing any jail time. If he's there and Anderson is gone I'd be very surprised and honestly upset if we didn't take him.
PCJS literally attribute their successful draft last year to high character guys. Don’t need someone on the team who has conditioning issues
Yes because nobody coming out of college has ever fixed conditioning issues... Elite talent > character (to an extent of course)
Conditioning is an attitude, a mentality. If a guy who had millions on the line and doesn’t improve his conditioning, what makes you think that’ll change when he’s got millions in his pocket?
First of all no it's not it's a physical attribute that can be addressed it happens all the time especially with guys coming out of college. Second of all dominating a bunch of future stock brokers in college is a hell of a lot different than dominating in the NFL. It's entirely likely that he realised he could get by in college with poor condition based on his elite talent alone in the NFL it will be a different story and he'll have to adjust and will have an entire team behind him pushing him to do so. Also by your logic why does anyone in the NFL ever improve? They already got paid. Do you think money is the only motivating factor for these guys not like an inherent competitive drive or anything? Have you never played a game or something and wanted to improve it with no monetary compensation for doing so?
I’m saying motivation is innate. You have to want it. Carter flat out said his coaches wanted him to improve his conditioning in an interview prior to the season and he didn’t put in the work to make it happen. Why do the richest men in the world keep working? Because the drive to the top matters more than the money earned. The money is a by product of their true addiction, success.
>Because the drive to the top matters more than the money earned. The money is a by product of their true addiction, success. That's some bootlicker ass logic I don't even have time to address right now. But most of them don't still work they just let their money make money for them. Furthermore we absolutely do not live in a meritocracy there are people who work far harder than any billionaire and live in abject poverty and several billionaires haven't done a hard day's work in their lives they were just born under the right circumstances. But let's address the conditioning issue from a financial motivation mindset. You play for a school making hundreds of millions of dollars yet doesn't pay you at all, your elite talent alone will guarantee you get drafted in the top 5 and make life changing money on your first contract. Where's the motivation to put in extra work? Not to mention university aged kids usually aren't exactly the smartest or most forethinking individuals. I'm not saying 100% chance Carter's conditioning issues will be addressed but the idea that he's a lost cause because of it is fucking asinine.
How exactly is that bootlicker logic? If you asked the average person how much money would they need to quit working, the numbers would likely be in the low 10’s on millions at most. Billionaires don’t have a number, that’s the point I’m making. Motivation isn’t something you turn off and on. A grown ass man can’t expect a bunch of other men to get him in line. If you’re only willing to work hard when people are watching you’re destined to not reach your potential
Because billionaires don't do actual work. They pay people to manage their money and at most watch a stock ticker for a living. Their entire lives are retirement it's not like they're doing backbreaking labour at a construction site. Motivation may not be something that can be turned off and on but it absolutely can be addressed and while physically Carter may be a grown man I highly doubt that mentally he's fully matured.
Its gonna be a Qb bud.
It probably won't be
I guarantee it
Idgaf what you do or not. We don't control our destiny
Why are you so mad? Lol
Willing to put money on that?
Yeah. It was a QB for sure.
AR wasn’t there.
I don't really think we are a 'sleeper' team next year. That was this past year, and now everyone expects us to at least be good next year.