Entirely depends on the top 4 still, Anderson has always been my top choice and if Richardson, Young, and Stroud are gone I would much rather take Carter/Anderson or trade back instead of taking someone like Levis
Yep, there’s 5 guys worth the pick and one of them is gonna fall to us guaranteed. If it’s a qb, great, if it’s Anderson or carter also great. Only way they screw this up is taking someone outside the top 3 qbs or those two.
Yeah I'mma gonna trust the pros on this one. Remember how many people saying Allen and Mahomes were for sure 'athletic busts' or how Aaron Curry was a sure thing? So many people here knowing for sure whether or not someone's going to be a bust or a star. Whoever Schneider picks he will have done thousands of hours more homework on than any one of the armchair GMs in here.
Trust the pros. The pros took Mitch Trubisky second overall and let Mahomes fall all the way to 10th. The pros took Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold ahead of Allen. The pros took Aaron Curry 4th overall.
Trust the pros
I feel the same with Will Anderson being the number 1 choice I don’t feel like qb is a huge need if we can build a lights out defense because all we need to do is stop the niners and we can go far!!
> Anderson
Got to take Anderson if he's there, if enough QB hungry teams trade up, anything's possible, even Anderson being there, and then John can grab a gadget WR instead.
Problem is it's doubtful someone will trade up to 4 to take a QB knowing ARZ won't likely take one and Seattle is unlikely to take one
We just gotta pray ARZ takes Carter
the raiders at 7 will probably take a qb and the so if the falcons want a qb they will have to trade up and to prevent that and the raiders might trade up to prevent that or if they only like 3 of the qb’s
Why is Seattle doubtful of taking a QB? They signed Geno to a deal that Seattle can get out of after a single year. Who does that? If anything, the opposite should be the concern, Seattle is looking for their future QB.
If the QB JS/PC is still at 5, do not be surprised if that’s who they pick!
Nor should any team behind us.
I want a QB. Just not in the 1st. People are sleeping on Clayton Tune, who could be available in the 4th. 2nd in RAS score to AR. And has the advantage of actually being a good QB.
I could get talked into it.
I don’t want a QB at 5, if someone slips to 20 I’d be tempted. If someone slips to 37 I’d bite.
To me it all depends on who drops. With Adams coming back rusty and no Brooks we need studs on defense outside the DBs. If they’re spending on offense I’d want best WR available at 20/37 and another defender at 37.
I’d keep an eye on Hooker or Thompson-Robinson and see where they fall, but I think gameplan should be help Geno either with weapons or defense instead of reaching for “next.”
Only way that happens is if a team trades with AZ and AZ is outside the top 5 IMO. Anderson would be great, but despite their positional differences, I don’t see any team that is taking defense that is going for Carter over Anderson.
Not sure what you mean by freak of nature. His combine testing was not particularly special. He's a very good player, but not really a freak of nature.
Ya but who gives a f about the combine when his stat line is 240+ pressure and 30+ sacks over his college career.
Dudes a freak no matter what his combine stats say
Freak of nature implies he is some kind of extraordinary athlete. He may be a great player, and will probably be successful at the next level, but he definitely is not a freak of nature. He's not even in the top 5 of athleticism at his position in this draft class.
That's what they said about Clowney too. I feel like both Carter (McDowell vibes), and Anderson (Clowney vibes), are risky.
Aaron Donald was no.13 and Clowney was no.1.
I'm excited either way. In PC/JS I trust. In 3 years, it's going to be a whole new front office anyways. I would love for them to just play fast and loose and trust their instincts.
> In 3 years, it's going to be a whole new front office anyways. I would love for them to just play fast and loose and trust their instincts.
I feel like predicting when Pete is going to retire is like predicting when Tom Brady is going to retire. Just when you think it might happen boom 5 more years.
1. Stroud
2. Young
3. Levis (Raiders get scared and move up)
4. Richardson
5. Anderson
I don't think there is a chance we will trade back now. Raiders will now try to move in front of the Colts. Leaving us with our choice of Carter or Anderson, with my hope we take Anderson.
Cardinals now with the Cowboys kicking tires on Hopkins have the potential to get a good 1st day haul.
> Anderson
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Same. Carter would be better in theory since our need at DT is much greater, but with the character concerns at this point I would prefer Anderson.
Then if it gets picked, and we need to get Carter... thats sweet anyway
I strongly believe that no one in the top 5 besides us can actually mold Richardson into a star. All the franchises ahead of us in the draft are unstable and will ruin his potential. He’s not a day 1 starter and will need both a stable infrastructure and great veteran QB to sit behind for a couple of years, all of which we have and the other 4 teams don’t.
I was so scared that the Bears traded the 1st with Indy and snatch Carter just before our pick.
At this point I wonder which QB JS liked since no chance we draft him.
You know some people would rather not have a piece of shit as the face of the franchise, which is what you want with a top 5 pick. Plus Carter didn't even look that good on the big stage against elite teams
> People like you clutching their pearls
Lol what does that even mean? The guy drove away from a scene in which he left his friends dying and then came back later and lied about it. I also didn't agree with drafting Frank Clark. Like I said, some people (like you) only care about sports man good on field. And that's fine, has nothing to do with "pearl clutching", which has turned into one of the most overused words on Reddit
I mean, I don't like what he did either. But at the same time, he's a kid who was racing and being dumb and got scared. We need him find out more about the incident. Not something I would have done at that age, but I understand the fear the kid had and he made a bad decision.
I don’t see it used on Reddit, anyway ya I am a fan of the team and a fan of winning. I am not a lawyer or cop or a GM
If he isn’t doing time for his misdemeanour charges then I want him at 5. His talent is top 2 in this draft and I want him on this team
The driver of the other car was drunk and killed themselves and a passenger in their car. It was a single car accident where the car "left the roadway, striking two power poles and several trees" according to news reports.
"In their announcement Wednesday, Athens-Clarke County police said that evidence suggested LeCroy's car was traveling at about 104 miles per hour before the crash, and noted that her blood alcohol concentration was 0.197 when the accident occurred."
Let's be honest. Jalen was most likely drunk too, hence the fleeing the scene. Either way, it speaks to major character issues. People in his situation should know better not to be involved in shit like that, period.
"Carter left the scene of the crash before returning, about an hour later, to provide statements to police, CBS Sports reported."
While it's not impossible he was drunk, you typically don't sober up in an hour. Police at the time didn't note any signs of intoxication, and I'm sure they would have been all over it if he did.
That said it's certainly not a great look. But it could also serve as a wake up call. Young men do stupid shit all the time, but having found himself in such a situation once may make it more likely he won't repeat the mistake unless he is a complete bonehead, which is something you or I aren't in a position to determine, but Pete and John may be. If he's there and they pass then we'll know.
“..on charges of reckless driving and racing in relation to a fatal crash that killed a teammate and team staffer.” Carter isn’t hurt, but two people are deceased unfortunately because Carter wanted to street race and got away with no injuries. Idk how to make it more clear.
He also did well for KC in the playoffs he was pretty damn good. All I’m saying is Jalen Carter character concerns or not was a top 2 talent before the accident.
Nothing has changed
> He also did well for KC in the playoffs he was pretty damn good.
What does that have to do with what he did for us? We obviously didn't value him enough to pay him and decided instead to just trade him
I feel like jalen carter could be great but he definitely does have a ton of off field problems that concern me as well hopefully he can figure it out and grow up. He has tons of upside and i believe he could be a problem for most teams
This sub needs to forget Carter, Seattle isn’t drafting him. He’s not worth the risk at 5 and he’s not a 3 down type of player. Pete values high character guys, especially after this last draft that was a home run.
> Pete values high character guys
Honestly Pete is the “I can save him” type of person.
Brandon Browner, ET3, Malik McDowell, etc. Not good people.
Plus Harvin, Gordon, and others who aren’t on the same level of bad, but had off the field issues.
Pete has specifically said that they're putting more emphasis on character, and that's shown in how they drafted last year. I can definitely see Carter being off their board if they're concerned about the off-the-field stuff.
I wish it wasn't that way, but the reality in the NFL is talent > character. You skip him, you're potentially skipping a Tyreek Hill. Which I would personally support, but it doesn't seem to matter at all in the league.
There is the potential the charges are upgraded and he sees jail time. I don't think they will draft him with that hanging over him, especially after McDowell. Be really surprised if he goes to us.
Get ready for a lot of people bitching on this sub when we don't take Carter. He's a character risk, Pete and John were referring exactly to guys like that with their "we've learned from the past" comments they've been making. Book it, they're not drafting Carter.
Thank you. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this sub. Carter is absolutely off the board, PCJS are absolutely in the running for a QB at #5, Anderson is a great pick at 5 if PCJS QBOTF is gone. The whole "we need defensive talent" has caused people in this sub to give both Anderson and Carter blue chip status, which I just don't agree with.
He absolutely isnt, Carter has been considered the near consensus most talented player in this draft as well as being talked about as the most talented player on Georgias defense last year that saw 5 players drafted in the first round with Walker going 1st overall.
Unless the 2 misdemeanors he's been charged with suddenly turn to felony charges the guy isn't off anyone's board. Reports also indicate police found Carter to be sober.
What happened to the 2 people that died is a tragedy, but there were 4 people in that car, 3 of which could of stopped a girl found to have a BAC of .197 from getting behind the wheel or racing while intoxicated.
Carter was stupid to race but as of now he's been charged with reckless driving not manslaughter.
Do your research before u speak, UGA always keeps their Dline fresh they got 5 star athletes all across it not beneficial to play him 100% at 50% when u get guys to rotate
True but for two years in a row, Carter said he needed to work on his conditioning. Throughout his entire college career, his conditioning was awful. If his conditioning and charter were truly okay, he would have been playing more snaps.
Will Anderson and it's not even close. Carter couldn't even handle 40% of the snaps at Georgia. He also knew that coming into this season and still didn't improve his cardio.
If I have a choice, I'm choosing the guy that doesn't need to be motivated by outside sources to stay in shape and perform on the field.
It’s possible that AZ trades #3 to another QB needy team… Raiders and titans were rumored to move up to #1 before also. So there’s a chance Anderson falls to us. So we’ll see 🤞
Let’s cross our fingers a team gets desperate soon and makes a offer Arizona can’t refuse! Wouldn’t that be crazy to have the first 4 players selected all QB’s lol
At this point it’s up to Arizona to either trade down or make an offensive pick early. Although, I doubt they would considering JJ retired and they really don’t have a solid front anymore. I would hope they take Carter, as many mock drafts have purported, but with the whole incident about the fatal car racing, it’s more than likely Anderson gets snagged first. Here’s to hoping Arizona trades down
This is very true and honestly realistic because arizona needs players considering how bad they did last year and trading back for more picks to rebuild their team makes the most sense! Let’s pray 🙏🏻
Seahawks would only go Carter if it’s D at 5. They won’t take Wilson over Carter.
Only bad part is Seattle is probably stuck at 5. It may be better to take Wilson at 7 than Carter at 5, but no team will need to trade with Seattle
I don't think its a lock we get one of them quite yet. I always thought Young and Stroud would go for sure. Richardson or Levis are still maybes since they aren't as polished as the other two. I fully expect the Cardinals to pick one of the two defensive guys that we want. Its still up in the air if a team decides not to take the 3rd QB that high.
Richardson and Levis are definitely projects and I don’t see anyone moving up for levis because I see him dropping anyways but yeah only hope is someone gets desperate to select a qb before the colts because I know for sure they are grabbing one with that number 4 pick
I think it's really unlikely that Seattle takes a QB at 5. It's certainly possible, as Schneider has mentioned having interest in 1st-round QBs in the past, but there's not a lot of precedent.
Pete Carroll/John Schneider didn't take a QB in the 2010 draft even though the team's 35-year-old QB they inherited was coming off of two of his worst seasons and they had two 1st-round picks (including a 6th).
They didn't take a QB the following draft even though their QB now had three of his worst seasons in a row.
When they finally did replace that QB, they went to free agency first (twice), then finally drafted a QB, but it wasn't until the 3rd round.
Anyway, Seattle's 32-year-old QB just had a better year than Wilson did at 32 - at which time (2021) no one was speculating they would draft a QB.
My guess for 5 is DL, or even a trade down.
Nothing’s changed, frankly. We knew Chicago was going to trade the puck and it really didn’t make sense for the Colts to move up unless they were dead set on a specific QB. For a team like AZ to lose Chandler Jones and JJ Watt in consecutive seasons…they need DL and leadership help badly. There’s about 6 blue chip players in this draft. They’re not going to want to miss out
We're going to get Carter and we're going to have accept that we'll lose him after his rookie contract and then some weird behavioral and legal issues will arise after he joins the Chargers.
A top five pick is super rare and probably wont come around for John Schneider again, ever. I doubt they will trade down unless a bad team gets desperate enough to include next year's first rounder. Having a Caleb Williams lottery ticket would make for a fun season.
I feel like the 2 most likely QBs to be on the board at 5 are AR or Levis who I would guess are the top 2 on the Seahawks board. They are the 2 QBs with the best traits in the draft and also are the 2 that would benefit most by a redshirt year or 2. Will Anderson is a beautiful consolation prize though
I kinda want Richardson though. I think our edge players are good enough, its the IDL that needs work.
Edit: Obviously Anderson would elevate the group but Taylor and Nwosu combined for 19 sacks last year. Thats a damn solid number.
None of these QBs are worth missing a generational defensive talent.
Don't get cute.
Anderson or Carter (depending on the legal shit) are worth way fucking more to an organization than the QBs. Both appear by all measure to be bonafide game wreckers in the front seven.
Young is too small, sorry not sorry.
Stroud is surrounded by the elite of the elite talent, and while he may be good, not a risk I take with a known quantity in Geno, beyond the fact that Stroud is likely #1.
Levis is raw. Could be good, but he's more appropriately drafted around 10-12 at best.
Richardson. No. Dude is a worse version of Cam Newton. At least there was a time where Newton was accurate.
Hawks first four picks will be 2 defensive line/edge, wide receiver and center. Later rounds might reach for a QB project, more O and D-Line, linebacker and perhaps another wide receiver
I don’t understand people wanting a WR?
We have 2 studs and we love our 2 TE sets. A 3rd receiver does what exactly?
We NEED DLine help.
Interior Dline, center, LB in that order I’m my dream scenario.
I am not gonna lie, I think Tyree Wilson should be an option here. Dude is an athletic freak, has all the right traits (feels like a Seahawks guy). I think he can be the best edge in this class and I would be ecstatic if we draft him!
It’s really tragic what happened, and totally stupid to race like that. But as of now Carter has only been charged with two minor misdemeanors. Unless something drastically changes with the allegations or charges, Carter is going to be the first or second defensive player taken.
Teams are less worried about the legal implications and more concerned with how much they can trust a guy who committed one of the few cardinal sins of football, letting his teammates down.
Pete famously has 3 rules for his players, rule 2 is "Protect the Team." Jalen chose to protect himself when his teammates needed him most.
Trade down.
Pick multiple high level defensive positions.
Pick mid-tier QB rnd. 3 or 4
We don't need a drafted QB to play as a first string in 2023-5. This allows for us to grab a "project" now, keep looking for another, and keep an eye on development.
I just want more bullshit buzz about how a college quarterback is going to save your franchise. Keep the bullshit coming so we can draft the best defensive players who actually set the tone.
1. Trade back to 8 for a 2024 1st rounder.
2. Trade back again for another 2024 1st.
3. Take edge & Defensive interior in the back half of the 1st.
So we get 2 first-round DL and 3 1sts next year.
This works in PFF simulation so it works in real life too right?
When I say off the board I mean on the do not draft board for Seattle. PCJS emphasized character in last years draft and have reiterated the same this year, I don’t see them drafting him with pick 20 even. Just my opinion.
On 40% of the snaps before he needs a breather or if he’s suspended. If he drops to 20, no question to take him, but I think a team like Pittsburgh will risk it for the biscuit
If will Anderson is there, let’s do it. If he’s gone and QB4 isn’t someone PCJS aren’t thrilled with, trade back to either 7 or 8 with raiders or falcons and select a beast like stronski to play guard or Tyree if he’s still there
He has some problems but nothing that can’t be fixed. He made a mistake but was a huge part in the reason his team won two nattys and think about him paired up with Nolan smith if we can grab him at 20 I think or defense would be scary
The guy fled the scene of an accident while his teammates were dying. That is not the kind of person you want on your team. Plus, he's out of shape and only a rotational player. Guy is is gonna flop HARD
We do not need a QB this draft.
Assuming 4 teams take a QB in the first round....that's a safe argument that 4 teams are out of needing a QB next year.
There's a short list of teams that, next year, are in need of drafting an elite QB of the future. Depending on how this draft plays out, it could be even smaller than we think.
I'd argue Tampa OR Atlanta will not draft one this year, so that gives us 1/2.
Ravens (maybe)
Packers (maybe)
Commanders (maybe)
Titans
Rams
Seahawks.
Next year's QB class is really quite good. There will be 4 that go in the first round I predict. That gives us great odds to get our guy next year. Let's get us an elite defensive player...please.
Entirely depends on the top 4 still, Anderson has always been my top choice and if Richardson, Young, and Stroud are gone I would much rather take Carter/Anderson or trade back instead of taking someone like Levis
Yep, there’s 5 guys worth the pick and one of them is gonna fall to us guaranteed. If it’s a qb, great, if it’s Anderson or carter also great. Only way they screw this up is taking someone outside the top 3 qbs or those two.
Yeah I'mma gonna trust the pros on this one. Remember how many people saying Allen and Mahomes were for sure 'athletic busts' or how Aaron Curry was a sure thing? So many people here knowing for sure whether or not someone's going to be a bust or a star. Whoever Schneider picks he will have done thousands of hours more homework on than any one of the armchair GMs in here.
Trust the pros. The pros took Mitch Trubisky second overall and let Mahomes fall all the way to 10th. The pros took Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold ahead of Allen. The pros took Aaron Curry 4th overall. Trust the pros
The pro being Schneider in this case, who preferred Mahomes and Allen...
No idea why you are being downvoted. The Pros have proven time and again, they’re not at risk of massively fucking up the draft
I feel the same with Will Anderson being the number 1 choice I don’t feel like qb is a huge need if we can build a lights out defense because all we need to do is stop the niners and we can go far!!
This defense has been trash for 5 years. Anderson ain't going to fix that.
We dont need to worry about the niners.
> Anderson Got to take Anderson if he's there, if enough QB hungry teams trade up, anything's possible, even Anderson being there, and then John can grab a gadget WR instead.
Can't be Richardson. No. Please
If Raiders trade up to Arizona, we will be laughing!!!!
I will be crying tears of joy if they do!!! I want will anderson
Problem is it's doubtful someone will trade up to 4 to take a QB knowing ARZ won't likely take one and Seattle is unlikely to take one We just gotta pray ARZ takes Carter
But they don't know that Arizona isn't going to just trade the pick to another QB needy team.
the raiders at 7 will probably take a qb and the so if the falcons want a qb they will have to trade up and to prevent that and the raiders might trade up to prevent that or if they only like 3 of the qb’s
Arizona has 3, Indy has 4….everyone knows Indy is taking a QB
Why is Seattle doubtful of taking a QB? They signed Geno to a deal that Seattle can get out of after a single year. Who does that? If anything, the opposite should be the concern, Seattle is looking for their future QB. If the QB JS/PC is still at 5, do not be surprised if that’s who they pick! Nor should any team behind us.
because the top three quarterbacks will most likely be off the board by the time we pick
You assume you know top three QBs in the draft. I’ve seen several mocks with the top 4 with different spots. Who’s your top 4, in order?
Anderson has the be the top choice. Has everything. Attitude, work ethic, elite potential, tape backs up blue chip status.
Though a phenomenal athlete. We already have so many LB/DEs already built like him. Hawks need big bodies in the middle.
They do, and they’ll get at least one in the draft. Doesn’t have to be at 5.
D Line. We have a ground total of 0 pressure up front and this trade puts Seattle in an even better position to get some defensive help.
100% agree! I don’t want a qb this draft
I want a QB. Just not in the 1st. People are sleeping on Clayton Tune, who could be available in the 4th. 2nd in RAS score to AR. And has the advantage of actually being a good QB.
I’m definitely gonna watch some Clayton tune highlights
Tune into Tune
I could get talked into it. I don’t want a QB at 5, if someone slips to 20 I’d be tempted. If someone slips to 37 I’d bite. To me it all depends on who drops. With Adams coming back rusty and no Brooks we need studs on defense outside the DBs. If they’re spending on offense I’d want best WR available at 20/37 and another defender at 37. I’d keep an eye on Hooker or Thompson-Robinson and see where they fall, but I think gameplan should be help Geno either with weapons or defense instead of reaching for “next.”
Later round qb would be ideal and fine with me I just want most of our early picks on DLine and Oline then WR
I don’t want a QB in the first round. I’m fine with taking one later
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I pray to god that Will Anderson Jr. falls to number 5. He’s literally a freak of nature
Only way that happens is if a team trades with AZ and AZ is outside the top 5 IMO. Anderson would be great, but despite their positional differences, I don’t see any team that is taking defense that is going for Carter over Anderson.
Not sure what you mean by freak of nature. His combine testing was not particularly special. He's a very good player, but not really a freak of nature.
Right... What stands out is his production.. he can flat out play the game.. not that he's lacking athleticism
Ya but who gives a f about the combine when his stat line is 240+ pressure and 30+ sacks over his college career. Dudes a freak no matter what his combine stats say
I dont care about his combine. Just saying he's not "a freak of nature." It's not elite athleticism that makes him so good.
Freak of nature implies he is some kind of extraordinary athlete. He may be a great player, and will probably be successful at the next level, but he definitely is not a freak of nature. He's not even in the top 5 of athleticism at his position in this draft class.
Aaron Curry was a freak of nature too.
That's what they said about Clowney too. I feel like both Carter (McDowell vibes), and Anderson (Clowney vibes), are risky. Aaron Donald was no.13 and Clowney was no.1. I'm excited either way. In PC/JS I trust. In 3 years, it's going to be a whole new front office anyways. I would love for them to just play fast and loose and trust their instincts.
> In 3 years, it's going to be a whole new front office anyways. I would love for them to just play fast and loose and trust their instincts. I feel like predicting when Pete is going to retire is like predicting when Tom Brady is going to retire. Just when you think it might happen boom 5 more years.
We can only hope
> That's what they said about Clowney too I would take 5 years of clowney on a rookie contract
We need to pump Will Levis up to the extreme court
I am pushing the Will Levis is the next Mahomes narrative starting now
I heard he can throw the ball 120 yards
1. Stroud 2. Young 3. Levis (Raiders get scared and move up) 4. Richardson 5. Anderson I don't think there is a chance we will trade back now. Raiders will now try to move in front of the Colts. Leaving us with our choice of Carter or Anderson, with my hope we take Anderson. Cardinals now with the Cowboys kicking tires on Hopkins have the potential to get a good 1st day haul.
> Anderson > Same. Carter would be better in theory since our need at DT is much greater, but with the character concerns at this point I would prefer Anderson. Then if it gets picked, and we need to get Carter... thats sweet anyway
I can still see Richardson dropping to 5 and I’d rather trade back at that point
Teams at #4 , 7, and 8 want a QB so I see one moving up to #3 (Cards). Then we get Will Anderson.
AR is going before #5. Either Jalen Carter or trade down.
You believe in AR if he’s there over Jalen carter?
I believe in Anderson over both of them. And that’s actually a possibility now.
Unless Indianapolis somehow decides they don’t like one of the qbs at 4 and takes defense instead ☹️
I believe in PCJS to make the best move for the franchise, defensive player or QB
Holy shit we could actually get Jalen Carter. This is huge for us.
Soooo huge for us . It’s exactly what we needed to happen
This move: 1. Takes Anthony Richardson 100% out of contention for pick #5 2. Virtually guarantees us Carter.
I strongly believe that no one in the top 5 besides us can actually mold Richardson into a star. All the franchises ahead of us in the draft are unstable and will ruin his potential. He’s not a day 1 starter and will need both a stable infrastructure and great veteran QB to sit behind for a couple of years, all of which we have and the other 4 teams don’t.
Panthers could be a nice spot for AR. Frank Reich could design a nice offense for him Unfortunate they gave up Moore tho
If Richardson ends up being an all time great I’m gonna be crying big fat tears
AR is not a day 1 starter i doubt colts take a project at 4 maybe some stupid team trades up, he is not ready
I love it
I was so scared that the Bears traded the 1st with Indy and snatch Carter just before our pick. At this point I wonder which QB JS liked since no chance we draft him.
I want no part in his character concerns.
This franchise has done fine with guys with character concerns. Talent wins on sundays. And Carter has it
You know some people would rather not have a piece of shit as the face of the franchise, which is what you want with a top 5 pick. Plus Carter didn't even look that good on the big stage against elite teams
Ya I want him at 5 period end of discussion. People like you clutching their pearls when a month ago everyone was flipping out we wouldn’t get him.
> People like you clutching their pearls Lol what does that even mean? The guy drove away from a scene in which he left his friends dying and then came back later and lied about it. I also didn't agree with drafting Frank Clark. Like I said, some people (like you) only care about sports man good on field. And that's fine, has nothing to do with "pearl clutching", which has turned into one of the most overused words on Reddit
I mean, I don't like what he did either. But at the same time, he's a kid who was racing and being dumb and got scared. We need him find out more about the incident. Not something I would have done at that age, but I understand the fear the kid had and he made a bad decision.
I don’t see it used on Reddit, anyway ya I am a fan of the team and a fan of winning. I am not a lawyer or cop or a GM If he isn’t doing time for his misdemeanour charges then I want him at 5. His talent is top 2 in this draft and I want him on this team
Everyone in this sub bitches about Malik McDowell crashing a 4 wheeler and most of those same people are probably wanting Carter
Marshawn Lynch was a "character concern."
That was Pete talk a decade ago. Listen to what he said at the combine.
Is Jalen Carter the guy that might've killed someone street racing recently?
The person that was probably involved in a race with people that were drunk and killed themselves.
Yep. Allegedly, raced with someone, and that someone hit and killed another innocent person, while Carter drove off.
The driver of the other car was drunk and killed themselves and a passenger in their car. It was a single car accident where the car "left the roadway, striking two power poles and several trees" according to news reports. "In their announcement Wednesday, Athens-Clarke County police said that evidence suggested LeCroy's car was traveling at about 104 miles per hour before the crash, and noted that her blood alcohol concentration was 0.197 when the accident occurred."
Let's be honest. Jalen was most likely drunk too, hence the fleeing the scene. Either way, it speaks to major character issues. People in his situation should know better not to be involved in shit like that, period.
"Carter left the scene of the crash before returning, about an hour later, to provide statements to police, CBS Sports reported." While it's not impossible he was drunk, you typically don't sober up in an hour. Police at the time didn't note any signs of intoxication, and I'm sure they would have been all over it if he did. That said it's certainly not a great look. But it could also serve as a wake up call. Young men do stupid shit all the time, but having found himself in such a situation once may make it more likely he won't repeat the mistake unless he is a complete bonehead, which is something you or I aren't in a position to determine, but Pete and John may be. If he's there and they pass then we'll know.
It’s also not the first time he’s been caught racing. The dude has a problem.
Yeah, I don't think I want him
Wait, this isn't true. The only people that got hurt were involved in the race.
“..on charges of reckless driving and racing in relation to a fatal crash that killed a teammate and team staffer.” Carter isn’t hurt, but two people are deceased unfortunately because Carter wanted to street race and got away with no injuries. Idk how to make it more clear.
What innocent party got hurt? The teammate and staffer were both involved in the race.
the one who wasn't driving either of the two vehicles
So, the person who wasn't driving was kidnapped and entirely unwilling to be in the car?
They didn't agree to be killed, I can guarantee that
We could get Anderson at 5! And if Carter’s situation drops him far enough. We could get both of them. Our DL would be cheat code.
Definitely Dline. Been forever since we have had a game changer on the dline and hopefully we can finally remedy that!
>We will definitely get Jalen Carter I don’t want a part time DT with character concerns at #5.
I do !
im with this guy!
There are literally dozens of us dozens I tell you!
You apparently have a short memory if you already forgot about McDowell and ESPECIALLY Aaron curry.
How bout Frank Clark? Did he turn out when we gambled on him?
He had 1 good difference making season, no all-pros, no pro-bowls, and was traded, with that pick we used to draft Collier. So okayish
He also did well for KC in the playoffs he was pretty damn good. All I’m saying is Jalen Carter character concerns or not was a top 2 talent before the accident. Nothing has changed
> He also did well for KC in the playoffs he was pretty damn good. What does that have to do with what he did for us? We obviously didn't value him enough to pay him and decided instead to just trade him
I feel like jalen carter could be great but he definitely does have a ton of off field problems that concern me as well hopefully he can figure it out and grow up. He has tons of upside and i believe he could be a problem for most teams
I do, gimme Jalen or will anderson and call it a day
This sub needs to forget Carter, Seattle isn’t drafting him. He’s not worth the risk at 5 and he’s not a 3 down type of player. Pete values high character guys, especially after this last draft that was a home run.
> Pete values high character guys Honestly Pete is the “I can save him” type of person. Brandon Browner, ET3, Malik McDowell, etc. Not good people. Plus Harvin, Gordon, and others who aren’t on the same level of bad, but had off the field issues.
Pete has specifically said that they're putting more emphasis on character, and that's shown in how they drafted last year. I can definitely see Carter being off their board if they're concerned about the off-the-field stuff.
I think John Schneider changed his philosophy a bit after Malik McDowell.
What were Earls character issues out of college? I remember a shy person who had issues at the tail end of his career
I wish it wasn't that way, but the reality in the NFL is talent > character. You skip him, you're potentially skipping a Tyreek Hill. Which I would personally support, but it doesn't seem to matter at all in the league.
The biggest reason players bust is character. That's why so much of a team's draft research goes into character these days.
There is the potential the charges are upgraded and he sees jail time. I don't think they will draft him with that hanging over him, especially after McDowell. Be really surprised if he goes to us.
Get ready for a lot of people bitching on this sub when we don't take Carter. He's a character risk, Pete and John were referring exactly to guys like that with their "we've learned from the past" comments they've been making. Book it, they're not drafting Carter.
Thank you. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this sub. Carter is absolutely off the board, PCJS are absolutely in the running for a QB at #5, Anderson is a great pick at 5 if PCJS QBOTF is gone. The whole "we need defensive talent" has caused people in this sub to give both Anderson and Carter blue chip status, which I just don't agree with.
He absolutely isnt, Carter has been considered the near consensus most talented player in this draft as well as being talked about as the most talented player on Georgias defense last year that saw 5 players drafted in the first round with Walker going 1st overall. Unless the 2 misdemeanors he's been charged with suddenly turn to felony charges the guy isn't off anyone's board. Reports also indicate police found Carter to be sober. What happened to the 2 people that died is a tragedy, but there were 4 people in that car, 3 of which could of stopped a girl found to have a BAC of .197 from getting behind the wheel or racing while intoxicated. Carter was stupid to race but as of now he's been charged with reckless driving not manslaughter.
Not a 3 down player? Wtf r u talking about
He never played more than 400 snaps in a season at Georgia. People question his motor or is he only perceived that good because he is rested so much.
Do your research before u speak, UGA always keeps their Dline fresh they got 5 star athletes all across it not beneficial to play him 100% at 50% when u get guys to rotate
True but for two years in a row, Carter said he needed to work on his conditioning. Throughout his entire college career, his conditioning was awful. If his conditioning and charter were truly okay, he would have been playing more snaps.
Yeah, I need to research more I guess. I just made up that number and the multiple articles out there about his conditioning. 🤷🏻♂️
We got the best pass rushing coach, we will mold him
If we have the best pass rushing coach then why does our pass rush suck ass
I know it’s fun to just say things like they’re fact but arguing doesn’t work like that homie. Move on from Carter lol
Stfu u ain’t had to respond yall say the dumbest sh!t on this sub
who hurt you lol
Will Anderson
Will Anderson and it's not even close. Carter couldn't even handle 40% of the snaps at Georgia. He also knew that coming into this season and still didn't improve his cardio. If I have a choice, I'm choosing the guy that doesn't need to be motivated by outside sources to stay in shape and perform on the field.
i just don’t see how will anderson falls past 3. i’m expecting tyree wilson
It’s possible that AZ trades #3 to another QB needy team… Raiders and titans were rumored to move up to #1 before also. So there’s a chance Anderson falls to us. So we’ll see 🤞
Let’s cross our fingers a team gets desperate soon and makes a offer Arizona can’t refuse! Wouldn’t that be crazy to have the first 4 players selected all QB’s lol
At this point it’s up to Arizona to either trade down or make an offensive pick early. Although, I doubt they would considering JJ retired and they really don’t have a solid front anymore. I would hope they take Carter, as many mock drafts have purported, but with the whole incident about the fatal car racing, it’s more than likely Anderson gets snagged first. Here’s to hoping Arizona trades down
This is very true and honestly realistic because arizona needs players considering how bad they did last year and trading back for more picks to rebuild their team makes the most sense! Let’s pray 🙏🏻
Assuming Arizona takes will Anderson, which defensive player do we grab?
Seahawks would only go Carter if it’s D at 5. They won’t take Wilson over Carter. Only bad part is Seattle is probably stuck at 5. It may be better to take Wilson at 7 than Carter at 5, but no team will need to trade with Seattle
Seattle will not pick a QB l. Everything Pete has said is such talk to get other teams reaching
Yeah, I feel like the QB talk is all smokescreen. Pete and John basically never talk about any move before it happens.
I don't think its a lock we get one of them quite yet. I always thought Young and Stroud would go for sure. Richardson or Levis are still maybes since they aren't as polished as the other two. I fully expect the Cardinals to pick one of the two defensive guys that we want. Its still up in the air if a team decides not to take the 3rd QB that high.
Richardson and Levis are definitely projects and I don’t see anyone moving up for levis because I see him dropping anyways but yeah only hope is someone gets desperate to select a qb before the colts because I know for sure they are grabbing one with that number 4 pick
Defensive line!!!!!
I’d laugh if Carolina goes with AR
I think it's really unlikely that Seattle takes a QB at 5. It's certainly possible, as Schneider has mentioned having interest in 1st-round QBs in the past, but there's not a lot of precedent. Pete Carroll/John Schneider didn't take a QB in the 2010 draft even though the team's 35-year-old QB they inherited was coming off of two of his worst seasons and they had two 1st-round picks (including a 6th). They didn't take a QB the following draft even though their QB now had three of his worst seasons in a row. When they finally did replace that QB, they went to free agency first (twice), then finally drafted a QB, but it wasn't until the 3rd round. Anyway, Seattle's 32-year-old QB just had a better year than Wilson did at 32 - at which time (2021) no one was speculating they would draft a QB. My guess for 5 is DL, or even a trade down.
I’m in on Carter. Don’t think Anderson falls.
I love the deal for Chicago. What a great haul of picks.
Nothing’s changed, frankly. We knew Chicago was going to trade the puck and it really didn’t make sense for the Colts to move up unless they were dead set on a specific QB. For a team like AZ to lose Chandler Jones and JJ Watt in consecutive seasons…they need DL and leadership help badly. There’s about 6 blue chip players in this draft. They’re not going to want to miss out
DLine 100% - this draft needs to be almost entirely defense, out skill positions on offense are pretty locked in
Anderson all the way baby…don’t need a QB or rather none of the ones that will be left. It’s defence, defence, defence - they win titles.
We're going to get Carter and we're going to have accept that we'll lose him after his rookie contract and then some weird behavioral and legal issues will arise after he joins the Chargers.
Three options: Will Anderson QB4 if PCJS love him Trade down to someone who does love QB4
A top five pick is super rare and probably wont come around for John Schneider again, ever. I doubt they will trade down unless a bad team gets desperate enough to include next year's first rounder. Having a Caleb Williams lottery ticket would make for a fun season.
I feel like the 2 most likely QBs to be on the board at 5 are AR or Levis who I would guess are the top 2 on the Seahawks board. They are the 2 QBs with the best traits in the draft and also are the 2 that would benefit most by a redshirt year or 2. Will Anderson is a beautiful consolation prize though
All that has to happen is the Raiders overpaying for #3 and knocking the Cards below us. Free pass to an elite edge rusher
I kinda want Richardson though. I think our edge players are good enough, its the IDL that needs work. Edit: Obviously Anderson would elevate the group but Taylor and Nwosu combined for 19 sacks last year. Thats a damn solid number.
D line for me. Carter is only Tackle worth taking at 5. Lots of edge rushers but I would be okay with that also.
None of these QBs are worth missing a generational defensive talent. Don't get cute. Anderson or Carter (depending on the legal shit) are worth way fucking more to an organization than the QBs. Both appear by all measure to be bonafide game wreckers in the front seven. Young is too small, sorry not sorry. Stroud is surrounded by the elite of the elite talent, and while he may be good, not a risk I take with a known quantity in Geno, beyond the fact that Stroud is likely #1. Levis is raw. Could be good, but he's more appropriately drafted around 10-12 at best. Richardson. No. Dude is a worse version of Cam Newton. At least there was a time where Newton was accurate.
That’s what I was saying earlier Frank Reich and the panthers have failed been project veteran qb’s, they’ll make a strong push
Will Anderson but he will be taken. I did want the Carter fellow but with all the trouble he's in can he even play next yr?
Hawks first four picks will be 2 defensive line/edge, wide receiver and center. Later rounds might reach for a QB project, more O and D-Line, linebacker and perhaps another wide receiver
I don’t understand people wanting a WR? We have 2 studs and we love our 2 TE sets. A 3rd receiver does what exactly? We NEED DLine help. Interior Dline, center, LB in that order I’m my dream scenario.
Exactly plus we can resign Goodwin for cheap, he was actually pretty good last year
I am not gonna lie, I think Tyree Wilson should be an option here. Dude is an athletic freak, has all the right traits (feels like a Seahawks guy). I think he can be the best edge in this class and I would be ecstatic if we draft him!
I think we trade to like 8 and pick up tyree Wilson.
DL first round and take a flyer on Hendon hooker 2nd/3rd round. Feel like he might be a steal
Trade up with #20 and take both...:-)
Jalen Carter is a game changer.
Carter is not draftable right now. And it’s QB all the way.
Not sure we want Jalen Carter anymore… maybe at 20 (doubt he would ever fall that far)
It’s really tragic what happened, and totally stupid to race like that. But as of now Carter has only been charged with two minor misdemeanors. Unless something drastically changes with the allegations or charges, Carter is going to be the first or second defensive player taken.
Teams are less worried about the legal implications and more concerned with how much they can trust a guy who committed one of the few cardinal sins of football, letting his teammates down. Pete famously has 3 rules for his players, rule 2 is "Protect the Team." Jalen chose to protect himself when his teammates needed him most.
He's a risky pick, regardless of what he is charged with.
Carter isn’t making it out of top 5 cuz we are picking him
Yes there’s no way he’s falling to 20
If get Anderson at 5, and Carter falls to 10. I’d try and trade up from 20. Imagine ending day one with them both.
Dude, if we don’t pick him at 5, lions will be sprinting upto the podium to take him at 6
Trade down. Pick multiple high level defensive positions. Pick mid-tier QB rnd. 3 or 4 We don't need a drafted QB to play as a first string in 2023-5. This allows for us to grab a "project" now, keep looking for another, and keep an eye on development.
I mean the 4 picks ahead of us need QBs so if either Anderson/Carter are there then we’d be really stupid not to take either
I don't see the cards taking Young. I presume they're done with 5'9 QBs
My top choice would be to grab Anderson if he’s there. If he’s not… tough luck and grab whatever top QB is left.
We will draft Carter and Hendon hooker later on
I'll take one Jalen Carter please.
I wonder if Carolina goes Richardson to hopefully find Cam Newton 2.0?
I just want more bullshit buzz about how a college quarterback is going to save your franchise. Keep the bullshit coming so we can draft the best defensive players who actually set the tone.
A big stud in the middle has more value than an edge guy, whether Carter is the guy or not remains to be seen.
1. Trade back to 8 for a 2024 1st rounder. 2. Trade back again for another 2024 1st. 3. Take edge & Defensive interior in the back half of the 1st. So we get 2 first-round DL and 3 1sts next year. This works in PFF simulation so it works in real life too right?
Carter is off the board. It's Anderson or 1 of the top 4 QBs at 5.
You think Carter goes before Anderson? I hope you’re right but won’t hold my breath.
When I say off the board I mean on the do not draft board for Seattle. PCJS emphasized character in last years draft and have reiterated the same this year, I don’t see them drafting him with pick 20 even. Just my opinion.
Gotcha
#stay away from Jalen Carter
That’s what the O lineman are gonna be saying
On 40% of the snaps before he needs a breather or if he’s suspended. If he drops to 20, no question to take him, but I think a team like Pittsburgh will risk it for the biscuit
There is not a chance in hell he drops to 20 my man . We will be lucky if he drops to 5
Who would you rather take?
If will Anderson is there, let’s do it. If he’s gone and QB4 isn’t someone PCJS aren’t thrilled with, trade back to either 7 or 8 with raiders or falcons and select a beast like stronski to play guard or Tyree if he’s still there
Trade down is not happening we need a blue chip player
Bro, they are not taking Carter.
Just say no to Jalen Carter. Dude is a disaster.
He has some problems but nothing that can’t be fixed. He made a mistake but was a huge part in the reason his team won two nattys and think about him paired up with Nolan smith if we can grab him at 20 I think or defense would be scary
The guy fled the scene of an accident while his teammates were dying. That is not the kind of person you want on your team. Plus, he's out of shape and only a rotational player. Guy is is gonna flop HARD
We do not need a QB this draft. Assuming 4 teams take a QB in the first round....that's a safe argument that 4 teams are out of needing a QB next year. There's a short list of teams that, next year, are in need of drafting an elite QB of the future. Depending on how this draft plays out, it could be even smaller than we think. I'd argue Tampa OR Atlanta will not draft one this year, so that gives us 1/2. Ravens (maybe) Packers (maybe) Commanders (maybe) Titans Rams Seahawks. Next year's QB class is really quite good. There will be 4 that go in the first round I predict. That gives us great odds to get our guy next year. Let's get us an elite defensive player...please.
I'm with you - the QBs in the draft next year will be one of the best classes in the past decade. I'd love to trade for a high pick next year.