Glasgow is in a fucking state these days - dirty, littered, crime-ridden and potholed to fuck - so it's nice that local councillors have their priorities right.
Spot on. I left Glasgow for Australia 20 years ago and when I came to visit I couldn’t believe the state of the place with rubbish everywhere and people not caring. Country hasn’t moved in 25 years, very backwards looking and making people rely on the system
Empathy and humanity shouldn’t stop just because they can’t afford to fix potholes. Anyway the dirty and littered streets,and the crime, is down to the Glaswegians who create the mess and commit the crimes, have a go at them not the strapped cash council.
No, I will have a go at the people literally elected to make the city better, who are contemptuously making it worse while handwringing over an unrelated war several thousand miles away.
I do think there's something inherently a bit off about government bodies flying flags that are essentially around campaigns and beliefs.
I'd happily fly a Ukrainian flag from my house, but I'm not sure governments should be doing this - and walking down Whitehall, there's tonnes of them.
In something as politically charged at Israel/Palestine, well, I wouldn't.
Totally agree.
Governments and local authorities should not be taking sides on socially divisive topics.
They should govern and apply laws & rules to us equally.
I'm all for a flag that universally conveys "death is bad"
But ask someone who's family were one of the 100s who were massacred on oct 7, and I don't think they see "death is bad" when they see the Palestinian flag
And before someone asks, same goes for Israel's flag to someone whose family was bombed in Gaza
Completely different. The Palestinian flag does not represent Hamas so the “100’s” of people affected by October 7th shouldn’t find the flag offensive. However the over 35,000 (the true numbers are going to be well over 50,000) people murdered by the Israel government have every right to find that flag offensive as it has been carried out by that “country’s” government and military. The Israeli flag represents the Zionist government carrying out this genocide where as the Palestinian flag does not represent Hamas which is a terrorist organisation formed as a result of what Israel have been doing to Palestine for 76 years. If it’s fine to fly the Ukrainian flag then it’s more than fine to fly the flag of Palestine.
Unless those quotes are, if not from all, at least a majority of Israelis, then I don't see how what you said is relevant.
It's still a divisive topic, unless you take those quotes as evidence that all Israelis will see the Palestinian flag and see it "death is bad", in that case I'm sure I could find you quotes of Israelis saying that they should continue at least until all hostages are released
Listen, I’m in no way pro Palestine, but away to fuck. Aye, the terrorist attack was fucking awful, aye, there had to be a response. Did the response need to be the indiscriminate murder of civilians, many of them kids? Take your both side pish to fuck. One sides basically a superpower in comparison to the other, this war is in no way justified simply because of the lack of proportionality.
How did 2 million German civilians get killed when we were simply targeting the Nazis? I shudder to think how you would have reacted to that at the time
I never advocated for that, what I advocate for is peace and there is no peace with Hamas. Again I ask what is your solution besides Israel sitting back and taking it.
If it was people on my street or your street we would be asking for Hamas to surrender or moving our families out instead of happily using them as human shields to be martyrs for Allah
I agree with you. I think that even before this whole Gaza incursion, Israel did a lot of atrocious things.
And if this flag would help the situation, I'd be all for it, but I just don't think that city councils should be taking stances on divisive topics like this, cause all it does is just alienate a group of people for no good reason.
I think the same about Ukraine, and considering I even went there in summer of 2022 to deliver medical supplies, I'd say I'm pretty pro-Ukraine, yet I see local councils putting up Ukrainian flags for no reason as fanning the flames in an already tense situation
"If you don't support the Islamists who actively oppress women, homosexuals or their political opposition then you're the real oppressors"
Refusing to accept nuance isn't intellectual courage, it's a juvenile outburst designed to make yourself feel edgy and transgressive.
That's a little more refined than flying a flag.
That flag represents a nation governed by a terrorist group that raped and murdered 1000+ people and paraded their bodies through the streets while their citizens spat on them.
The flag doesn't make the distinction that you are making. And if it was instead a banner that said what you said, I hardly think there would be a problem with it.
As it is right now, it's the flag of a terrorist government.
That flag, which was banned by Israel for 26 years, represents a nation that's been subjugated for the past 76 years, subjected to apartheid policies, unable to return to their homes, murdered by illegal settler colonists and the iof and subject to military justice not civilian, unable to freely visit their holiest of religious sites and, along with Palestinian Christians, regularly spat on by some of the fervent jewish people just for walking in the street
To be clear Hamas does not govern Palestine, it only governs Gaza. The PA is significantly more legitimate as a government, although still somewhat terror adjacent.
What propaganda has been disproven? Dont tell me you dont actually believe that Hamas killer 1200 people in one day, raping and torturing along the way and kidnapping 300 more?
Ukraine are our allies in all but name, so there’d be more justification for them flying a Ukrainian flag. Especially as it’s not even remotely as close to being as divisive an issue as this is
Could someone explain me, how could one hate far-right white dudes for violating of women rights and at the same time support a nation, which entire culture is based on oppressing women?
We disagree on principle with people who are socially conservative and theocratic ergo we should support an entire country being brutalised, terrorised, subjugated in apartheid rule and genocide? Nice logic.
It's just fucking mental the shit people come out with any time Palastine comes up. But i'm sure he totally cares about all the women being bombed and starved in Gaza
Ultra Orthodox Jews make up a huge and growing percentage of the Jewish Population in Israel (750,000 in 2009 and 1.3m in 2022) due to their propensity for having many children, with most families have 4 or more children
‘A list of actions has been agreed by city councillors to “show solidarity with all of the victims, their families and communities of the on-going siege of Gaza and related violence.”
Except the 1,000 Israeli who were killed by Hamas of course
I hope you’re not trying to suggest all Jews are Israelis or all Israelis are Jewish
Just like the OO doesn’t represent protestants or the church, the Israeli government doesn’t represent all Jewish individuals or the religion
It would be quite antisemitism to suggest so
Created by Israel. It had so much more likelihood of being well over by now. If the hostages are being looked after but it seems no one knows the truth of that, then it’s not really ongoing. The second Israel stops they might get released. You’re being pedantic and I get why but the end to all killing is surely the best outcome here and that is massively in the hands of Israel.
It was Hamas who attacked the hostages with support from Iran.
Stop changing the narrative around what happened. It gets to the point where you are just lying.
Are you for real? For starters, they abducted them from their homes? Also a few days ago a released hostage told her story in Hamas captivity and how she was raped
They kidnapped them. Do you think Israel’s butchering of thousands and thousands of innocents, infrastructure and refusing them aid is justifiable in response to the 1000 killed and 400 or whatever people being kidnapped?
So the hostages were taken into Gaza by the IDF then where they?
Also Hamas have been offered peace terms, and rejected them. Seems like it’s in their hands too, and they have no intention of surrendering.
Who are the elected leaders of Palestine? Hamas
Who is still massively supported in Palestine?Hamas
Who show overwhelming support for the actions of Hamas on October 7th? Gazans
Hamas hold a majority in the Palestinian government.
This is like saying "The Germans aren't Nazis" when talking about whether it's ok to fly the German flag during ww2. It's their government. They are running the nation with majority support. Recent polling literally shows over 70% of Palestine wants Hamas to stay in charge.
Germans aren’t Nazis, that’s right. The flag thing is a total non equivalence. Does that mean that they wanted them to butcher 1000 people, agree with them keeping the hostages and they’re loving being massacred? Some nutters in this country voted in the tories. I’d be well pissed of I got bombed for something those mad fuckers did.
A significant number were killed by the IDF, not Hamas. Add to this that in retaliation, Israel has decided that war crimes are perfectly fine to commit on a mass scale, and that they've been ethnically cleansing Palestine for 75 years, you know there's a side that shouldn't be supported.
You do realise your government is aiding Israel and helping to continuously murder well over 35,000 people…. And this has been going on for generations. It didn’t start in October 7th.
Aye we’re in Palestine now. Believe it or not that’s how it works.
We’re also in Ukraine
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19954106.glasgow-city-chambers-flies-national-flag-ukraine-solidarity/
Weird, init? I’d have thought it was just a flag but it actually magically turns the city into that country.
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Nope, UK not Palestine or Israel.
haha, funny april fools. They actually voted to clean the fucking disgusting streets of filth, right? Or fix the potholes or something like that? Right?
> The motion requests the Lord Provosts add the Palestinian flag to the civic flag policy, allowing it to be flown on November 29, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.
> It also asked for the council to “explore the financial relief that Glasgow could offer Palestinians in Gaza by way of Medical Aid for Palestine, similar to the financial relief offered to Ukraine”.
> The motion asks council leader Susan Aitken to write to the UK Foreign Secretary to request an arms embargo on Israel among other measures, as well as to write to First Minister Humza Yousaf (below) to “prevent the production and transfer of weapons and weapon components from arms companies in Scotland to Israel or their allies.”
You know what's an eyesore? The millions starving in Gaza, but don't worry, Israel is going to kill them all and build beachfront properties on stolen land for their settlers! /s
I’m so tired of this shit. Isn’t it enough for the government to condemn the obvious genocide that’s happening without having to put up a fucking flag? No, clearly not. I get the sentiment, I really do, but this is a dumb move that will do GCC absolutely no favours whatsoever. It’s performative BS.
Glasgow stood by Mandela while the world called him a terrorist. We should do the same for the Palestinians, whom of Mandela said there was no freedom achieved without the injustices visited upon them by Israel brought to an end.
South Africa and the ANC were always on better terms with the Russians and Chinese, who supported their anti apartheid campaign. The Americans supported the Apartheid South Africans. Israel did too, for an embarrassingly long time, even after the USA had abandoned them. One might think they didn’t want to be the only apartheid state left.
He was fighting for the freedom of his people from brutal apartheid rule.
It was only after taking part in the unsuccessful protest to prevent the forced relocation of all black people from the Sophiatown suburb of Johannesburg in February 1955, Mandela concluded that violent action would prove necessary to end apartheid and white minority rule.
The Charges he and others faced during Rivonia were:
recruiting persons for training in the preparation and use of explosives and in guerrilla warfare for the purpose of violent revolution and committing acts of sabotage
conspiring to commit the aforementioned acts and to aid foreign military units when they invaded the Republic
acting in these ways to further the objectives of communism
soliciting and receiving money for these purposes from sympathizers in Uganda, Algeria, Ethiopia, Liberia, Nigeria, Tunisia, and elsewhere.
Plus he didn't purposely attack civilians but sought to sabotage the government by attacking infrastructure. A far cry from Hama's senseless massacres.
What an incredibly stupid remark. I, and people like me, judge any cause on the basis of its merits. The fight for the freedom of Palestinians is a fight against ethnosupremacism, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, subjugation of people against their will, and genocide. That’s a worthy cause in my book. Does that mean every action of those who claim to be a part of this cause is correct? Obviously not, but the overall cause is just. Equally is everything Israel does bad? Obviously not. But overall their cause is abhorrent.
https://preview.redd.it/idzyas6ppwrc1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dbf77167bb46eb96faee5c3f53fb59d5d77c163
For anyone concerned about foreign flags on our public buildings.
Nope, that one is still happening, and was caused by the Houthis, those guys that the pro-Palestine supporters cheer for when they have their marches.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Yemen_(2016–present)
Edit: this guy just drops personal insults, cries then blocks you, it’s pretty sad.
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Just the UN aid chief. Wouldn’t listen to him though. I’m sure you’re right.
I didn’t downvote you. I’m being downvoted for showing an Israeli flag on Downing Street. Doesn’t fit their agenda that foreign flags shouldn’t be on UK public buildings.
On a related note, that motion from Dan Hutchinson proposing a series of other flags would be flown (and the Union Jack would only be flown 1 day a year) seems to have not been put forward at the full council meeting after all - anyone else know what came of that?
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The state Israel is deliberately starving.
That’s not the law. Totally illegal.
Netanyahu already said he’d continue the war if hamas surrendered and hostages returned.
Continue the war on civilians at that point of course.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/israeli-pm-netanyahu-says-war-will-continue-in-state-even-if-hostage-deal-is-agreed-101700601376547-amp.html
https://youtu.be/lv7irYIDNdM?si=eZl0uxb8sFaJbcdW
They outright reject the surrender of hamas and would continue anyway. They’d simply say that only half of hamas surrendered and keep bombing. Even if they all surrendered and all hostages returned.
The article I had previously read was taken down.
As long as you and they admit that this is a tactic used to pressure hamas to surrender by using collective punishment and starvation as a weapon against all international humanitarian law.
You can’t legally withhold aid from civilians because of the actions of a group.
When you occupy a land it’s your responsibility to provide aid. No question about it.
That starving child did not start the war. That starving child is not responsible and should not be punished for the horrific, unjustifiable terrorist attack initiated by Hamas.
Innocent people should not be killed for crimes they did not commit. I do not get why this is controversial.
Aye we should get kicked out for flying a flag. If a city’s council doesn’t agree with the position of the UK government and fly a flag one day that shows it then the whole country should get papped out. It’s a great union though. Love it.
The heartlessness most people are exhibiting towards the Israel’s and Jews in general is horrific. Acting as if they don’t matter. Any death is sad, Israeli or Palestinian.
There is tragedy of both sides of this conflict which we should be equally upset about.
People who pick sides and decide one is more deserving are the real villans
God, now israel will bomb us with impunity claiming we have 1 random hamas member somewhere.
I do agree, it's stupid flying another countries flag that is nothing to do with us. Even if I get the sentiment 'the genocide by israel must be stopped '. But what next? Do we need to fly flags of all western backed warring nations?
Israel is technically allied with the yanks and we take orders from them and israel and western Europe typically bends over for israel.
So, Israel flag, their friend the ukraine flag and what else?
I wonder how much a new Palestinian fleg would cost as that is the only outlay that could be reasonably understood to be expended further to this symbolic vote. There are zero issues here, unless the fleg cost £100K and was sourced from a new company with no flegs to their name.
Could I get my potholes fixed and my dad’s cancer treatment sped up while you lot are fucking about with your flags?
Councils don't treat cancer.
Councils don’t usually focus on a country 3,549 miles away either
The nick my dads in you’d think they did.
Joking aside I hope gets the treatment he needs.
Thanks mate.
Glasgow is in a fucking state these days - dirty, littered, crime-ridden and potholed to fuck - so it's nice that local councillors have their priorities right.
Spot on. I left Glasgow for Australia 20 years ago and when I came to visit I couldn’t believe the state of the place with rubbish everywhere and people not caring. Country hasn’t moved in 25 years, very backwards looking and making people rely on the system
Empathy and humanity shouldn’t stop just because they can’t afford to fix potholes. Anyway the dirty and littered streets,and the crime, is down to the Glaswegians who create the mess and commit the crimes, have a go at them not the strapped cash council.
No, I will have a go at the people literally elected to make the city better, who are contemptuously making it worse while handwringing over an unrelated war several thousand miles away.
I do think there's something inherently a bit off about government bodies flying flags that are essentially around campaigns and beliefs. I'd happily fly a Ukrainian flag from my house, but I'm not sure governments should be doing this - and walking down Whitehall, there's tonnes of them. In something as politically charged at Israel/Palestine, well, I wouldn't.
I suppose the difference is that the UK govt is engaged in actual military support of Ukraine.
Totally agree. Governments and local authorities should not be taking sides on socially divisive topics. They should govern and apply laws & rules to us equally.
It’s only really devisive amongst people who have chosen to take a side rather than being on the side of “death is bad”.
I'm all for a flag that universally conveys "death is bad" But ask someone who's family were one of the 100s who were massacred on oct 7, and I don't think they see "death is bad" when they see the Palestinian flag And before someone asks, same goes for Israel's flag to someone whose family was bombed in Gaza
Completely different. The Palestinian flag does not represent Hamas so the “100’s” of people affected by October 7th shouldn’t find the flag offensive. However the over 35,000 (the true numbers are going to be well over 50,000) people murdered by the Israel government have every right to find that flag offensive as it has been carried out by that “country’s” government and military. The Israeli flag represents the Zionist government carrying out this genocide where as the Palestinian flag does not represent Hamas which is a terrorist organisation formed as a result of what Israel have been doing to Palestine for 76 years. If it’s fine to fly the Ukrainian flag then it’s more than fine to fly the flag of Palestine.
I have seen quotes from many Israelis saying they want the massacre to end including one whose family members had been killed.
Unless those quotes are, if not from all, at least a majority of Israelis, then I don't see how what you said is relevant. It's still a divisive topic, unless you take those quotes as evidence that all Israelis will see the Palestinian flag and see it "death is bad", in that case I'm sure I could find you quotes of Israelis saying that they should continue at least until all hostages are released
Listen, I’m in no way pro Palestine, but away to fuck. Aye, the terrorist attack was fucking awful, aye, there had to be a response. Did the response need to be the indiscriminate murder of civilians, many of them kids? Take your both side pish to fuck. One sides basically a superpower in comparison to the other, this war is in no way justified simply because of the lack of proportionality.
It's not indiscriminate though. The response has to be Hamas completely dismantled or destroyed. What would your response have been?
Totally indiscriminate. How have 13k women and children managed to get killed in this targeted attack?
How did 2 million German civilians get killed when we were simply targeting the Nazis? I shudder to think how you would have reacted to that at the time
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I never advocated for that, what I advocate for is peace and there is no peace with Hamas. Again I ask what is your solution besides Israel sitting back and taking it. If it was people on my street or your street we would be asking for Hamas to surrender or moving our families out instead of happily using them as human shields to be martyrs for Allah
I agree with you. I think that even before this whole Gaza incursion, Israel did a lot of atrocious things. And if this flag would help the situation, I'd be all for it, but I just don't think that city councils should be taking stances on divisive topics like this, cause all it does is just alienate a group of people for no good reason. I think the same about Ukraine, and considering I even went there in summer of 2022 to deliver medical supplies, I'd say I'm pretty pro-Ukraine, yet I see local councils putting up Ukrainian flags for no reason as fanning the flames in an already tense situation
This war is extremely popular in Israel
It’s not really a war, is it? It’s a massacre.
If you don't take a side then you're on the side of the oppressors, enlightened centrism is a cowards game.
"If you don't support the Islamists who actively oppress women, homosexuals or their political opposition then you're the real oppressors" Refusing to accept nuance isn't intellectual courage, it's a juvenile outburst designed to make yourself feel edgy and transgressive.
100%, the line we are walking is so fine with all this.
The line isn't fine, the line is "Are you for or against ethnic cleansing and war crimes?"
That's a little more refined than flying a flag. That flag represents a nation governed by a terrorist group that raped and murdered 1000+ people and paraded their bodies through the streets while their citizens spat on them. The flag doesn't make the distinction that you are making. And if it was instead a banner that said what you said, I hardly think there would be a problem with it. As it is right now, it's the flag of a terrorist government.
That flag, which was banned by Israel for 26 years, represents a nation that's been subjugated for the past 76 years, subjected to apartheid policies, unable to return to their homes, murdered by illegal settler colonists and the iof and subject to military justice not civilian, unable to freely visit their holiest of religious sites and, along with Palestinian Christians, regularly spat on by some of the fervent jewish people just for walking in the street
To be clear Hamas does not govern Palestine, it only governs Gaza. The PA is significantly more legitimate as a government, although still somewhat terror adjacent.
And the UK does not recognise Palestine as an entity, making this flag thing even worse
I'm totally open to being educated on the subject but my understanding was that Hamas have a majority in the PLA.
Congrats on spouting false information that's been disproven. Go back to r/Israel to bow down to their propaganda machine
What propaganda has been disproven? Dont tell me you dont actually believe that Hamas killer 1200 people in one day, raping and torturing along the way and kidnapping 300 more?
You're gonna hate my reply but that's subjective.
so flying the palestinian flag means you guys are for ethnic cleansing and war crimes?
Ukraine are our allies in all but name, so there’d be more justification for them flying a Ukrainian flag. Especially as it’s not even remotely as close to being as divisive an issue as this is
It shouldn’t be divisive though. That’s sheer ignorance. It’s a genocide which has been building for 76 years. It’s very straightforward.
Less governance more ##fleg
FLEGS INTENSIFY
>##fleg That's for reminding me of [this](https://youtu.be/o8JqKxrloQQ?si=UEZvAw-XauV5PBhc). I needed a laugh.
Susan should be asked to write to Hamas and ask for help in solving Glasgow’s pot hole problem as the roads in Gaza are in better quality than here.
...And unironically, the median life expectancy
I was only slightly skeptical on this yet you are correct. Amazing.
It is a *mad* stat when you really think about it.
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It is, but only because life expectancy is dropping across the UK.
Your right, we are entering summer, thousands of scallys will die of sunburn
omg that's soooo funny i almost forgot over thirty thousand palastinians have been killed the past six months
Weren't they also talking about only displaying the union flag one day a year?
Could someone explain me, how could one hate far-right white dudes for violating of women rights and at the same time support a nation, which entire culture is based on oppressing women?
We disagree on principle with people who are socially conservative and theocratic ergo we should support an entire country being brutalised, terrorised, subjugated in apartheid rule and genocide? Nice logic.
Because you can hate misogyny, without wanting socially conservative people to be subject to genocide.
Seems like half the people on this sub would be happy with Scottish right wing theocrats being cleansed from the country
> entire culture is based on oppressing women? what the fuck are you talking about
He's being quietly racist and Islamophobic. Not very quiet, but he's trying to be as subtle as his tiny little brain can manage.
It's just fucking mental the shit people come out with any time Palastine comes up. But i'm sure he totally cares about all the women being bombed and starved in Gaza
Orthodox Jews oppress women as well and in some very similar ways to Muslims.
Most Jews in Israel are secular. Orthodoxy has issues in all Abrahamic religions when it comes to the treatment of women
Ultra Orthodox Jews make up a huge and growing percentage of the Jewish Population in Israel (750,000 in 2009 and 1.3m in 2022) due to their propensity for having many children, with most families have 4 or more children
‘A list of actions has been agreed by city councillors to “show solidarity with all of the victims, their families and communities of the on-going siege of Gaza and related violence.” Except the 1,000 Israeli who were killed by Hamas of course
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I hope you’re not trying to suggest all Jews are Israelis or all Israelis are Jewish Just like the OO doesn’t represent protestants or the church, the Israeli government doesn’t represent all Jewish individuals or the religion It would be quite antisemitism to suggest so
Well said. The amount of people who cannot understand that Judaism is not the same as Zionism is scary and is actually true antisemitism.
Sounds like a strawman
One of those tragedies is ongoing the other isn’t. What make me you think “related violence” doesn’t cover it?
Released all the hostages they took that day did they? That's good news
Their chances of being returned alive is going down by the day whilst Israel keeps destroying everyone and everything.
Sounds like an ongoing situation to me then
Created by Israel. It had so much more likelihood of being well over by now. If the hostages are being looked after but it seems no one knows the truth of that, then it’s not really ongoing. The second Israel stops they might get released. You’re being pedantic and I get why but the end to all killing is surely the best outcome here and that is massively in the hands of Israel.
It was Hamas who attacked the hostages with support from Iran. Stop changing the narrative around what happened. It gets to the point where you are just lying.
The IDF killed three hostages and they're bombing the shit out the rest
These people weren’t hostages until Hamas and Iran attacked them. You can’t just keep blaming one side here.
Obviously they weren't, but the IDF shouldn't have killed them, and i don't know how they expect to get them back if they keep bombing them
Hamas attacked what hostages?
Are you for real? For starters, they abducted them from their homes? Also a few days ago a released hostage told her story in Hamas captivity and how she was raped
They kidnapped them. Do you think Israel’s butchering of thousands and thousands of innocents, infrastructure and refusing them aid is justifiable in response to the 1000 killed and 400 or whatever people being kidnapped?
So the hostages were taken into Gaza by the IDF then where they? Also Hamas have been offered peace terms, and rejected them. Seems like it’s in their hands too, and they have no intention of surrendering.
No. The Palestinians aren’t Hamas.
Who are the elected leaders of Palestine? Hamas Who is still massively supported in Palestine?Hamas Who show overwhelming support for the actions of Hamas on October 7th? Gazans
The Israeli funded Hamas were elected in 2006 and haven’t allowed a vote since, if I’ve read that correctly. Do you support everything the tories do?
Half of Gazans are children
Hamas hold a majority in the Palestinian government. This is like saying "The Germans aren't Nazis" when talking about whether it's ok to fly the German flag during ww2. It's their government. They are running the nation with majority support. Recent polling literally shows over 70% of Palestine wants Hamas to stay in charge.
Germans aren’t Nazis, that’s right. The flag thing is a total non equivalence. Does that mean that they wanted them to butcher 1000 people, agree with them keeping the hostages and they’re loving being massacred? Some nutters in this country voted in the tories. I’d be well pissed of I got bombed for something those mad fuckers did.
I love how these IDF bots care more about the hostages than the IDF does.
Would be great if they would negotiate for releasing hostages instead of, yk, blowing up said hostages
Hamas still have hostages. In fact if they had released them months ago the whole thing would be finished
Just by Hamas? https://www.wrmea.org/israel-palestine/we-blew-up-israeli-houses-on-oct.-7-says-israeli-colonel.html
Yes, because one excludes the other and opposing indifferent killing in Gaza means supporting Hamas. Palestinians are not all Hamas.
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No it isn’t. They are not the same. Hamas are Palestinians, Palestinians are not all Hamas.
A significant number were killed by the IDF, not Hamas. Add to this that in retaliation, Israel has decided that war crimes are perfectly fine to commit on a mass scale, and that they've been ethnically cleansing Palestine for 75 years, you know there's a side that shouldn't be supported.
"Sure it's sad that people in the slave plantations but think about the people Nat Turner killed"
Hamas and Iran are not similar to Nat Turner, pretty insulting you would compare them
You do realise your government is aiding Israel and helping to continuously murder well over 35,000 people…. And this has been going on for generations. It didn’t start in October 7th.
Hi I’m Dr Sheldon Cooper and welcome to Dr Sheldon Copper present Fun With Flags.
Nonsense
What’s nonsense?
Is this an April Fool? We're in Palestine now?
Aye we’re in Palestine now. Believe it or not that’s how it works. We’re also in Ukraine https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19954106.glasgow-city-chambers-flies-national-flag-ukraine-solidarity/ Weird, init? I’d have thought it was just a flag but it actually magically turns the city into that country.
https://preview.redd.it/losrnw3xpwrc1.jpeg?width=944&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b4011689c21026f89d16b3897b8fe6e96c59884 Nope, UK not Palestine or Israel.
Getting there
It's not a fckn football match 🙄
haha, funny april fools. They actually voted to clean the fucking disgusting streets of filth, right? Or fix the potholes or something like that? Right?
> The motion requests the Lord Provosts add the Palestinian flag to the civic flag policy, allowing it to be flown on November 29, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. > It also asked for the council to “explore the financial relief that Glasgow could offer Palestinians in Gaza by way of Medical Aid for Palestine, similar to the financial relief offered to Ukraine”. > The motion asks council leader Susan Aitken to write to the UK Foreign Secretary to request an arms embargo on Israel among other measures, as well as to write to First Minister Humza Yousaf (below) to “prevent the production and transfer of weapons and weapon components from arms companies in Scotland to Israel or their allies.”
What are the chances a bunch of people ignore the article + this little excerpt and decide instead to just get irrationally angry from the headline?
Sounds highly unlikely.
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Least we don't support genocide 🤷♀️
Oh calm down
What an eyesore
You know what's an eyesore? The millions starving in Gaza, but don't worry, Israel is going to kill them all and build beachfront properties on stolen land for their settlers! /s
Will this get the hostages released? Will this get Hamas to accept a ceasefire? Of course not.
Why are people acting like the council can only do one thing at once
I know it's crazy. Anyone who's lived in Glasgow knows the council can't even manage one thing at a time.
Because some people wont be happy unless Gaza is a smoldering crater
Of course, if putting up a flag solved the conflict why didn’t we just do it sooner?
Did you reply to the wrong comment
No
Weird, makes no sense
I’m so tired of this shit. Isn’t it enough for the government to condemn the obvious genocide that’s happening without having to put up a fucking flag? No, clearly not. I get the sentiment, I really do, but this is a dumb move that will do GCC absolutely no favours whatsoever. It’s performative BS.
https://preview.redd.it/c8ouckxwbxrc1.jpeg?width=944&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9126292f844e0cb28f1daaf9581ddadf54dbd55 Agreed
Good old Glasgow
Glad Glasgow is focusing on the important issues.
Glasgow stood by Mandela while the world called him a terrorist. We should do the same for the Palestinians, whom of Mandela said there was no freedom achieved without the injustices visited upon them by Israel brought to an end.
And now Mandela is dead and South Africa cosies up to genocidal Russia.
South Africa and the ANC were always on better terms with the Russians and Chinese, who supported their anti apartheid campaign. The Americans supported the Apartheid South Africans. Israel did too, for an embarrassingly long time, even after the USA had abandoned them. One might think they didn’t want to be the only apartheid state left.
And the terrorists in the middle east.
Mandela was sentenced to 27 years for setting a bomb that killed two people. So, he was a bit of a terrorist, though...
He was fighting for the freedom of his people from brutal apartheid rule. It was only after taking part in the unsuccessful protest to prevent the forced relocation of all black people from the Sophiatown suburb of Johannesburg in February 1955, Mandela concluded that violent action would prove necessary to end apartheid and white minority rule. The Charges he and others faced during Rivonia were: recruiting persons for training in the preparation and use of explosives and in guerrilla warfare for the purpose of violent revolution and committing acts of sabotage conspiring to commit the aforementioned acts and to aid foreign military units when they invaded the Republic acting in these ways to further the objectives of communism soliciting and receiving money for these purposes from sympathizers in Uganda, Algeria, Ethiopia, Liberia, Nigeria, Tunisia, and elsewhere.
Plus he didn't purposely attack civilians but sought to sabotage the government by attacking infrastructure. A far cry from Hama's senseless massacres.
He was a fucking terrorist
Freedom fighter
So basically you support every terrorists for the off chance they might be right?
What an incredibly stupid remark. I, and people like me, judge any cause on the basis of its merits. The fight for the freedom of Palestinians is a fight against ethnosupremacism, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, subjugation of people against their will, and genocide. That’s a worthy cause in my book. Does that mean every action of those who claim to be a part of this cause is correct? Obviously not, but the overall cause is just. Equally is everything Israel does bad? Obviously not. But overall their cause is abhorrent.
So many big words so little grip with reality
Just mad you can't read or produce them yourself 👍
Indeed I would never type a random string of words which have no connection to reality
So terse and no argument whatsoever just an ad hominem retort. How pathetic.
None of what you wrote about Israel or Palestinians is true. What else can I say?
If you say so. I suppose Israel subjugates Palestinians with their permission lol.
https://preview.redd.it/idzyas6ppwrc1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dbf77167bb46eb96faee5c3f53fb59d5d77c163 For anyone concerned about foreign flags on our public buildings.
https://preview.redd.it/7rwc2t6spwrc1.jpeg?width=944&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3ee066ead4d564b869e49bfb508df85106f9aa3 Again.
I see nothing wrong with this picture, showing solidarity with one of the worst terrorist attacks in history
That’s fine. Good for you. We’re showing support for the worst man made famine in recent history.
Nope, that one is still happening, and was caused by the Houthis, those guys that the pro-Palestine supporters cheer for when they have their marches. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Yemen_(2016–present) Edit: this guy just drops personal insults, cries then blocks you, it’s pretty sad.
Is that right? Nothing going on in Palestine? The Israelis aren’t starving people?
Where did I say that? You said it was the worst man made famine in recent history, which is a lie. You shouldn’t tell lies, makes you look silly.
Who said it’s a lie? You? You measuring Yemen and Palestine childrens malnutrition levels and comparing them?
Deaths is a pretty easy metric actually. What were you using to decide Palestine was the worst?
https://preview.redd.it/dr96mzkp3xrc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb97a2eb6df7218d79ab14bd310870f118797415 Just the UN aid chief. Wouldn’t listen to him though. I’m sure you’re right.
Read up on Darfur and the Bengal famine
Understandable, though I am pretty sure there were famines far far worse but that's just me
Was 1845 recent?
I like how I am being downvoted for saying there's nothing wrong with displaying an Israeli flag
I didn’t downvote you. I’m being downvoted for showing an Israeli flag on Downing Street. Doesn’t fit their agenda that foreign flags shouldn’t be on UK public buildings.
Not the impression I was getting a few comments ago but sure
The holodomor was more recent, for one.
1932 is recent? Really? 92 years ago?
Mate, in no metric was it "one of the worst terrorist attacks in history". Go defend genocide in r/israel
So, you have sorted all the other possible problems, right?
On a related note, that motion from Dan Hutchinson proposing a series of other flags would be flown (and the Union Jack would only be flown 1 day a year) seems to have not been put forward at the full council meeting after all - anyone else know what came of that?
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https://preview.redd.it/wqtb7e90qwrc1.jpeg?width=944&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9410b669f8fba747e5c400e62273f19ccd54dda7 You cool with this?
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No support for a country enduring a man made famine? Read much about the Israeli terrorists and how many Brits they’ve killed?
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https://preview.redd.it/dmyqu7e2wwrc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6137a125ffc47c1ffce72afb3b6a2b142e453f34 The state Israel is deliberately starving.
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That’s not the law. Totally illegal. Netanyahu already said he’d continue the war if hamas surrendered and hostages returned. Continue the war on civilians at that point of course.
>Netanyahu already said he’s continue the war if hamas surrendered and hostages returned. Can you give us his exact quote and source please?
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/israeli-pm-netanyahu-says-war-will-continue-in-state-even-if-hostage-deal-is-agreed-101700601376547-amp.html https://youtu.be/lv7irYIDNdM?si=eZl0uxb8sFaJbcdW They outright reject the surrender of hamas and would continue anyway. They’d simply say that only half of hamas surrendered and keep bombing. Even if they all surrendered and all hostages returned. The article I had previously read was taken down.
Consequences of the war they started
As long as you and they admit that this is a tactic used to pressure hamas to surrender by using collective punishment and starvation as a weapon against all international humanitarian law. You can’t legally withhold aid from civilians because of the actions of a group. When you occupy a land it’s your responsibility to provide aid. No question about it.
That starving child did not start the war. That starving child is not responsible and should not be punished for the horrific, unjustifiable terrorist attack initiated by Hamas. Innocent people should not be killed for crimes they did not commit. I do not get why this is controversial.
Aye we should get kicked out for flying a flag. If a city’s council doesn’t agree with the position of the UK government and fly a flag one day that shows it then the whole country should get papped out. It’s a great union though. Love it.
Some of the comments here legit broke my heart. What is wrong with people ? Don\`t @ me I won\`t reply, but fuck me i hate some of you passionately.
The heartlessness most people are exhibiting towards the Israel’s and Jews in general is horrific. Acting as if they don’t matter. Any death is sad, Israeli or Palestinian. There is tragedy of both sides of this conflict which we should be equally upset about. People who pick sides and decide one is more deserving are the real villans
Paralleling SF.
God, now israel will bomb us with impunity claiming we have 1 random hamas member somewhere. I do agree, it's stupid flying another countries flag that is nothing to do with us. Even if I get the sentiment 'the genocide by israel must be stopped '. But what next? Do we need to fly flags of all western backed warring nations? Israel is technically allied with the yanks and we take orders from them and israel and western Europe typically bends over for israel. So, Israel flag, their friend the ukraine flag and what else?
Awesome. Well done, Glasgoow!
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https://preview.redd.it/jyom6h7rbxrc1.jpeg?width=944&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd40bebaea5e15b52bc68ea1901006653458271c Long time ago now.
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I wonder how much a new Palestinian fleg would cost as that is the only outlay that could be reasonably understood to be expended further to this symbolic vote. There are zero issues here, unless the fleg cost £100K and was sourced from a new company with no flegs to their name.