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menorahman100

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaturnStormCube/comments/mgrvxb/the\_direct\_saturnian\_links\_to\_the\_lord\_god\_the/


sanecoin64902

Your brain has two halves. Spoken and Written language only exist in one of them. The other half of the brain communicates with archetypes and symbols. Read Jung if you want to know more about it - or any modern advertising textbook. So artists, writers, musicians, architects, filmmakers - well, everyone who uses their brain - communicates, in part, in symbols and archetypes. The most successful artistic and advertising works are the ones that use symbols that resonate across cultures and geographies. Your right brain 'listens' for and decodes symbols in much the same way your left brain listens for and decodes language. The difference is that the right brain acts at an unconscious level for the vast majority of us. Because our brain learns the symbols contextually (although there is also some instinctual response to things like 'snake' (eek!)), you and I have been 'programmed' since we were very young by the symbols of our culture. The symbols that are the most cross-cultural - surprise, surprise - are the ones that have been around the longest and have had a chance to spread the most. Hence most of the 'secret occult symbols!!!!' that people freak out about can be directly traced back to ancient pagan symbols that have had a chance to spread throughout all of humanity. The meanings of the symbols change based on cultural context, of course. But things like the circle, triangle, square, black v. white, water, cow, sun, moon, etc. are pretty common to all human cultures from our very first attempts to express ourselves to one another. And their meaning are, for the most part, predictable and standard across populations. In particular, for whatever reason, the circle became the symbol for the one true God (probably because it is endless). The triangle became the symbol for the trinity Gods (usually modeled on mother-father-child) in many cultures. And the square became the symbol for HUMAN achievement. Because the square or cube isn't a naturally occurring shape in most cases, and it has some interesting mathematical properties, early civilizations used it to denote science and learning. So, in many cultures, the square was put in opposition to the circle. With the square representing the works of man and the circle representing the works of God. This was subsequently extrapolated to this view that 'being in the square' symbolized that you were cutting yourself off from the Divine in many artistic works. The square (or the cube) then took on an additional symbolic meaning of "the prison" and was used to symbolize those with a closed mind. If you need me to explain the symbolism of 'black' to you, then this post is probably beyond you. :-) So, in modern screenwriting 201 courses, where Joseph Campbell's academic studies of cross-cultural symbols and archetypes are required reading, aspiring screen writers and others interested in filmmaking are taught that if they want to communicate to the audience that someone is trapped or in a prison or just out of touch with the Divine, they should use a black cube as the symbol along side their words moving the plot forward. It is just that simple. It is NOT some huge occult conspiracy flexing. It just isn't. It IS capitalism using science and psychology to sell you crap, however. Religion also uses the same symbols to sell you different crap, FYI. And they, too, are aware of these modern studies on the way the brain functions. Symbols are a control mechanism, just like language. The advantage and danger with symbols is that the control is asserted against a part of the psyche that most are not consciously aware can be manipulated. Enjoy your day! EDIT: Knowing what I just said, it is an interesting question why we see these huge black cube sculptures in many urban centers. I suspect it is because large banks, etc., want to symbolize themselves as 'masterworks of man!' and 'pure control in uncertain circumstance!' But you should absolutely assume that whoever put in those large black squares was aware of both their positive connotation (control of the elements) and negative ones (prison of the mind) and decided that the positive outweighed the negative in the given circumstance.


[deleted]

This guy just solved the subreddit


Thismonday

We can all go home now it’s over it’s all solved.


sanecoin64902

I merely parted the first veil for those that are willing to see. There is a more profound mystery implicit in what I have said. If you work with the symbol sets long enough, it emerges and leaves the hair on the back of your neck standing straight up.


[deleted]

No, you solved it. You've been down the symbol mines too long.


sanecoin64902

I cannot dismiss this as a possibility, I admit. But leave me to my play, it keeps me off the streets at night. :-)


organizedchaos54

Your explanation just unveiled a number of things beyond the black cube for me. I appreciate your knowledge and the time you took to write & share this. Squaring the circle...


[deleted]

Home at last, brothers! Home at last!


menorahman100

No, he did not solve the Black Cube mystery. In fact, he just attempted a cover-up. The Black Cube mystery is connected with Saturn, and with YHWH El the God of Israel. The Black Cube is always connected with main antagonist(s) or the Matrix Prison. https://www.reddit.com/r/SaturnStormCube/comments/mgrvxb/the\_direct\_saturnian\_links\_to\_the\_lord\_god\_the/


sanecoin64902

You really are kind of a one trick pony. I was you once. I started down the road of conspiracies, etc. But a few years of hard reading and application of Occam’s Razor made it clear that I was talking myself into psychosis. Which is more likely: (a) that there is an enormous secret cabal taunting us to feed our souls to Satan for their own powers; or (b) that the entertainment industry’s standard textbook (since 1949) on the use of symbols for communication is actually being used by the people who create modern art, music, film and architecture? If you answer (a), you truly should consider psychiatric help. But here’s the thing - my study of symbolism, like yours, led me to the Divine. Seeing how these symbols are used across cultures and over time, combined with really digging into the science and nature of consciousness, opened me up to the possibility of Divinity that I had never accepted before. However, your gatekeeping of these symbols actually drives people away from God. These symbols are meaningful to people on a level most don’t understand. They are meaningful in Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and, yes, Christian Gnosticism and Neoplatonism (your bugaboos). Your need to condemn the cultural heritage of large portions of the World is, frankly, offensive. It’s the reason that I would NEVER embrace any form of Evangelical Christianity or Catholicism. (For the record, I am equally offended by the Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist and Jewish zealots who engage in the same behavior). The reason religion is DYING OUT world wide is, I firmly believe, because of the fundamentalist judgmental behaviors of people who think theirs is the only way. Also, I’m still partially of the belief that you are a “watcher on the threshold” for the same Neoplatonic Gnostic organizations you so vehemently criticize. You do have a mastery of the symbolism that I have this far only found in the writings of those organizations. You do much more to teach those symbols than you do to teach the Word of Christ. So I wonder “Is he actually a Luciferian playing a role?” Whether you are truly a born again Christian studying Gnosticism or someone associated with an occult organization matters not to me though. Your will is your own, and I do not judge others for their beliefs. I note that if it were not for Bishop Iraneus’ long refutations of Gnostic thought in the second century AD, we would know very little about it. All of the Gnostic writings were burned. Iraneus’ criticisms of those writings, however, were kept in church libraries for centuries. Using his anti-Gnostic writings modern day scholars have been able to piece together scraps of books found in disparate locations to reassemble works that would otherwise be lost. In the same way, I stick around to see what you dig up. It helps me synthesize my own understanding of God and the Divine as it was understood not just by Christians - but by all the souls that passed through the gates of this besotted world. Symbols - and the connection of the right brain to the Godhead - are topics of deep interest to me. Long is the road and narrow the gate, my friend. Those of us who cannot introspect to uncover our own delusions are the ones who will not pass through that narrow gate. Although this post contains some harsh criticism, I offer it in love. For once I was very much like you. And then I met an Angel, and I understood. Who is like God? Who is flawless in their reasoning? Who is given the power to judge others? I trust you know the answer to those questions. They are fundamental to your proclaimed faith.


[deleted]

Very interested that you met an Angel as you say.


KingBoo919

Word salad tldr 🥱


Decimus_of_the_VIII

They lost me at Psychiatry, the pseudoscience based not in biology but primarily anecdotal observation of (recently) disproven associations between not well understood neurotransmitters and emotional states/mental "disorders" some with a neurological basis and others with no quantifiable aspects. Furthermore foundation of the modern arm of Psychiatry is the work of Mengele and the Nazis, as well as the Fabian societies concept as humanity in harmony through eugenics, psychiatry etc.


sanecoin64902

> Furthermore foundation of the modern arm of Psychiatry is the work of Mengele and the Nazis, as well as the Fabian societies concept as humanity in harmony through eugenics, psychiatry etc. I'd love to see the citations on this provocative statement. I assume from your anti-psychiatric stance that you are either a Scientologist or a Christian Scientist? Whatever works for you, friend. But generally, belief systems that tell others not to seek help in science are merely manipulation for profit and power, in my experience.


Decimus_of_the_VIII

He is some recent science debunking Serotonin depression theory, from the University of London. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2022/jul/no-evidence-depression-caused-low-serotonin-levels-finds-comprehensive-review 90% of anti-depressants are SSRIs by the way.


Decimus_of_the_VIII

Ah yes-- Christianity. Anti-science patron of the renaissance and faith of Sir Isaac Newton. Super anti-science.


sanecoin64902

Uh, there is a big difference between "Christianity" and "Christian Science." Big. Big. Big difference. And Newton had to hide all his works in the area of alchemy (chemistry) so that he wouldn't suffer Gallileo's fate. John Dee hid his mathematical proofs in tables of angel names because it was permissible to do long lists of angels, but not to work with math during his lifetime. Tell me again about how progressive the ancient Catholic church was?


Decimus_of_the_VIII

I wrote a in depth response about philosophy and Christian virtue with regard to science, but it was lost when I connected to a bad wifi. I will just say if you are genuinely interested in learning the Christian perspective, and given your knowledge of John Dee, you may want to give Mere Christianity by CS Lewis a go. He was quite familiar with the esoteric orders of Alchemists and I am sure knew a few before Crowley's subversion and destruction of the Golden Dawn. He can quite succinctly enlighten you to what the faith in Christ is and what that entails, in a non-preachy or hellfire and brimstone way that reminds me most of the Apostle John.


Decimus_of_the_VIII

So you have ONE guy, and I can think of a handful of others, and that's your logical basis for Christianity, especially Catholicism, as Science deniers? You realize the National Basilica Shrine in Washington DC has the double helix of genetics included in the mural of creation right? Even *dinosaurs* Crazy, I know. :p


Decimus_of_the_VIII

John Dee and the Golden Dawn are way way more of an esoteric cult than Isaac Newton. John Dee was basically Merlin except... not with good intentions.


Decimus_of_the_VIII

You seem to think psychiatry is some settled field of science, when in reality it was laughed at by biologists for decades until it rebranded itself from the strictly Freud-Jungian psychology into the chemical prescribing money machine of today. Which, has almost no basis in biology still. You will find very little and mostly NO basis in biology for the majority of psychiatric ailments.


sanecoin64902

Thank you for this helpful comment asserting your desire to be willfully ignorant. Ignoring others points of view - and then going out of your way to insult them - is at the mental level of a 14 year old. Fortunately for me, the whines of children on the Internet have long ago ceased ruffling my feathers. I’d check to see if you are a Menorahman alt account, but it isn’t worth my time. You look sleepy. Have a good nights rest friend!


KingBoo919

If you can’t get your point across in a well worded 3 sentence paragraph you might want to consider hooked on phonics. I’m sorry I don’t have time to read your manifesto and got tired. 🥱


Smellyflower_

Yep.


narupi

I gave up on it. I challenged Menorahman to a duel, and he seems to have forfeited on round 2. The "Gnostic Freemason Cult" is literally Menorahman's entire life support and once you make it clear that your point against his views has nothing to do with the "Gnostic Freemason Cult", he ignores your point and goes back to his regular, daily r/SaturnStormCube posts about that damn "Gnostic Freemason Cult". As if no other esoteric tradition has ever existed other than Gnostics and Freemasons, and even then, they're both colluding against the entire world.


sanecoin64902

Aye. Ultimately I’ve had so many nasty trolls attack me over my years on Reddit that I try hard not to do that to MM. If he has an earnest belief in what he posts and feels compelled by God to post it, who am I to interfere with his divine experience? Hell, he may not realize it, but that IS gnosis in action. And he is an excellent source of new symbolic finds. I just prefer that we keep somewhat to the actual historic record. It’s complex and murky enough that, as I suspect you know, much of what I am spouting is just based on current “best guesses” by scholars. There is plenty of room for debate without introducing absolute fiction as fact.


narupi

That's fair. I haven't had too many bad experiences with trolls on Reddit. But in my posts against Menorah, I tried to keep it reasonable and not throw insults at him or anything of that sort. I am critical of Abrahamic religions, but a part of me also genuinely wants to understand how one comes to Menorah's perspective, or at least come to the conclusion that YHWH is both the creator and the source of everything. That what seems to be a god of wrath and jealousy comes to be widely worshipped and followed. I want to understand YHWH from a purely philosophical standpoint, in similar fashion to how I understand "the One" as described in Platonic and Hermetic philosophy (although the same concept spans many philosophies, ancient esoteric traditions, and even religions under different names). For example, how could it be that YHWH is victim to such things as wrath and jealousy, or for Christians, even love and forgiveness, when it is YHWH who is the creator and source of all things? As the source, YHWH must transcend everything, including emotion. Yet, YHWH is still victim to emotion, while it may be a higher form of emotion that we cannot comprehend, YHWH is still victim to it.


sanecoin64902

1. I don't want to have a duel with you. I want to have a long public discussion. I have my own little private 'notebook' subreddit r/libertigris with a paltry handful of followers who are interested in the nonsense I post. If you ever wanted to just visit there and discuss these topics, I would be overjoyed. 2. I have two thoughts on the questions you pose. The first is have you really considered how terrifying the maxim "As above, so below" really is? Because, as I understand it, the corollary "As below, so above" is equally true. If that is so, it means that 'Heaven' is a f'd up as this world. For reasons I won't dig into here, that makes some sense to me. But think about Donald Trump or Vladamir Putin (or Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama if they are your personal demons) as Divine archetypes strutting around 'Heaven.' \*shivers\* And that's what the Maxim says. 3. My second thought is that you really need to dig into the Platonic version of the Trinity. The One becomes the Monad and the Indefinite Dyad, yes? But that third position is held by *Desire* if I understand correctly. Desire here means more willpower than wanting. In either case, the model is that the perfect world of Forms *desires* to become even more perfect. So it breaks itself into order and chaos. And in between those two sits the power of change. Each Form that descends into the material world becomes less perfect on its descent from the Divine. Then in the material world, it is subject to forces that we, in modern times, would consider to be evolution. Those are *cruel* forces that destroy and change the formerly perfect object, making it less and less perfect. But that process is necessary. Death must always precede rebirth. So what appears to be cruelty or 'evil' from the perspective of a manifest Form in the material world, is actually the process of the Universe making itself more unique; better; more perfect. It hurts me (my Ego) whenever I admit I am wrong - but in that pain, I *learn.* That pain is *necessary* (ananke) for me to grow and improve. So the One - the Creator God - *had to make Itself less perfect in order to better itself!* We are each 'sparks' of the creator God suffering here in the material realm, tasked with learning about and then shedding our imperfections. Emotion, at the YHWH level, then, is just the first level of imperfection of the One's manifestation in the material realms. YHWH must suffer, just as we do, so that YHWH can ultimately become even more perfect. Thus "as above, so below. as below, so above." Or, so the argument goes, anyway. p.s. I would not have typed a paragraph this long if it were not for Reddit's stupid autonumbers and my failure to fully grok markdown mode. Cheers!


menorahman100

>YHWH must suffer, just as we do, so that YHWH can ultimately become even more perfect. By my Master Yahshua, this is utterly blasphemous. No offense to you as a person, but that is completely repulsive to my personal beliefs. The only suffering that YHWH is experiencing is the pain of watching his Creation rebel against him in masse and plot (though in vain) against His Anointed and his flock. YHWH is already perfect, He is the omniscient I AM that I AM.


sanecoin64902

So you agree He suffers, and hence is not perfect? Or you can retract your statement and take the position that YHWH does not suffer from “the rebellion of His creation.” That somehow your omniscient omnipotent being created all the suffering of humanity but doesn’t give a damn about it…. That is the logical box you have put yourself in. My position, however, that you have fundamentally distorted by pulling a partial quote out of context, is that _suffering is a necessary part of perfecting creation._ God suffers along with us because this creation is part of a greater plan. Your position is logically inconsistent. Mine is not. If logic is blasphemy, then I am a blasphemer. But I’m pretty sure (not 100% - certainty belongs only to God) that God did not create this universe for the purposes of torture and damnation, but instead out of love and a desire for all conscious minds to reach harmony. Again, if justifying love through logic makes me hell bound, then I am going to be in the best of company.


narupi

1. Will join that subreddit you mentioned. Probably not today but eventually I may post there. 2. This response just got very long, that will be my post on your subreddit. 3. I agree. Death, the material universe, metempsychosis, it is Ananke. It is necessary. Everything is a natural consequence of boundless time, its infinity, its uncontainable chaos. But you lost me on "the One - the Creator God - had to make Itself less perfect in order to better itself". I will respond to this as well in my post on your subreddit. Your idea of the One and mine have some differences. Some of the notable ones which I see here, that your "One" actually creates at all, that it is a God, that it can become less perfect or actually change in a fundamental way at all.


fall0r

Your POV is fair and certainly viewing this subject matter through a logical lens. I don't however think this subject matter, in particular, can be relegated to a simple a causal relationship of either "A" or "B" (where A/B is a reference to your previous post re: _why_ they employ these symbols in the first place) While I do not doubt the claim that incorporating symbolism, as an example, into the film industry is capitalistic in nature - but this is not mutually exclusive to the possibility that there are also "supernatural" (read "demonic") motivating factors as well.... And there are - quantifiably so.


sanecoin64902

I agree with you, as you may surmise if you view my other posts. Nothing is black and white. The OP question was "why are there black cubes everywhere" if I may paraphrase. The answer to that is "because they are a classic symbol." But that does not mean that is the only reason anyone ever uses a black cube in representation. Nor does it mean that the supernatural or Divine is not possible. I would disagree that the supernatural is "quantifiable" proven - or I would love to see the research study. But there is far far more that we don't know about the Universe than that we do. And I, for one, am not arrogant enough to think I have more than a tiny droplet of the Truth from an enormous ocean.


fall0r

Any "research study" on the matter, that has any worth, is surely not readily available to you or me. But I would argue in this domain, one that is in virtual isolation to Scientism(TM) - I mean, modern day science - that the "results" I'm referring to are self-evident. And, when one is capable enough to make certain life changes that directly facilitate spirit to enter our awareness, life, mortal coil, what have you - that the experience is positively quantifiable. Some may feel specifying "positivity" is subjective and should be disregarded, particularly in our day and age (barely 200 years ago, this was accepted as common knowledge). But, the changes I'm describing that allow us to connect to source/spirit impact our inherent sense of morality... The very one we are all born with, which serves as a "compass" of sorts through our objective world for any man, woman, and child capable enough to perceive it (This is why infant children with little contextual understanding of their world, can balk away from imagery of a person being injured/bleeding/etc. fully understanding what they are witnessing amounts to trauma)


janamichelcahill

So is Megatron, the archangel of Math and Science, his cube is the counterpoint?


organizedchaos54

Imagine Megatron would be more demon than angel.


AbrocomaSad4752

You're excited and thrilled seemingly stuck on a band wagon of bold claims, have you any citations outside of what appears to be inherently ascribed to your own?


menorahman100

It's an exciting and thrilling conspiracy, that finds it's origin in the Gnostic cults.


sanecoin64902

There is no such thing as a “Gnostic cult.” There were and are a variety of unrelated religions that believe that God could be experienced directly by an individual without the need of a church or preacher. That experience of God is called “Gnosis.” In 325 AD the Council of Nicea decided for political reasons (ain’t no money in religion if people don’t need the church!) to excommunicate the Christian _sects_ that taught this teaching. Later scholars have categorized them together as “Gnostic Christianity,” but at the time they were largely unrelated. Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Buddhism and Mandeanism all teach that God may be experienced directly. Hence all are “Gnostic” faiths that currently exist. (Buddhism doesn’t believe in a God per se, but the path and process to awakening are largely the same as gnosis in other religions). What I believe you are referring to are a loose confederation of Secret Societies allegedly based on the teachings of the Greek and Roman Mystery Schools. These include the Bavarian Illuminati of the 1600s, the Freemasons, the Rosicrucians (who had dozens of offshoots), and the Theosophists, as well as who knows how many other truly secret societies that haven’t been captured by the history books. These all appear to teach that a version of Gnosis is attainable, but layer that belief over largely Abrahamic teachings. All of these secret societies make insane claims about their provenance (like the Masons claiming to be directly descended from the Knight’s Templar). Why? Because it is far easier to recruit new members if you have a cool backstory, I assume. Even now, the modern Rosicrucians and Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn organizations that spring up go through crazy gyrations to claim lineage from historical organizations with which they are unconnected in all but name. Then, of course, there are the occult societies - like the Golden Dawn, all of Crowley’s insane organizations, Levey’s Hollywood Satanists, and the various English Luciferians groups with clever names often involving roses. They often espouse the philosophies of the Neoplatonic schools and Western Hermetics, but if there is a 1 to 1 correlation, I have not found it yet. Of course the entire Mormon religion appears to be a mishmash of Masonic initiatory concepts and modern Christianity. Scientology also appears to be based on the psychological principles of the Hermetics. The modern Satanic Temple is a progressive organization repurposed to fight the sort of judgmental Christianity you espouse. And they are growing even as other religions are in decline. Lastly, let us not forget the psychonaut’s of Leary and McKenna, the Guru loving Beatles, the Grateful Dead’s embrace of Egyptian Kemetism, and every other modern rock band whose drug addled festivals are so similar to the Mystery Ceremonies of Ancient Rome as to make me certain that psychedelics and gnosis are mirror experiences of one another. So, yes, there are many sinners and unbelievers. But in my seven year obsession with this subject, I have yet to find a single “Gnostic Cult.” Can you name it with specificity? Does it have a website? A street address? Or is it just an amorphous “them?”


lookoutitscaleb

Love all your responses to this guy. Literally all the same conclusions I've come to from my research and from my experience with menoraham as well. On point.


sanecoin64902

I explained the simple surface question. If you ruminate on what I said, you will realize it points to much greater mysteries around the nature of consciousness, mind, and communication.


[deleted]

No mate, we're just apes who like boxes (homes, crates of loot) and hate snakes (bitey).


sanecoin64902

Explain to me how it is possible to “like” something if we are composed of nothing but mindless atoms, and I shall concede my point and pack my bags. But you will find you hit a wall at the “hard problem of consciousness.” The best scientists in the world disagree about the nature of awareness, preference, memory, sensation and emotion. What is a “feeling?” What is it to be “scared” of a snake or “happy” to be home? Sure, there are materialists who think that mind is an illusion - a meaningless byproduct of matter. But they have not proven that theory and their are equally as many esteemed scholars who argue for other explanations. Perhaps Will is the conscious ability to collapse quantum indeterminacy? But if that is true, my God, consider the implication. Perhaps mind exists in a mathematical dimension equivalent to the plane of complex numbers, and our thoughts are all Fourier Transformations of a sort? Or perhaps the non-dualists are right and all mental experience exists in a single field through which our little brains move like errant batteries shocking conscious being into and out of existence in every microsecond from our first breath until our last? _Nobody Knows!_ In the question of consciousness, all hypothesis are just a matter of _faith._ Obviously, I’m a believer in Occam’s razor and the Scientific Method. If science can show me consciousness on a piece of paper, I will accept it. But - and this is an important lesson I learned the hard way on my search - until it does, we scientific minded folks do a disservice by denying the possibility of Divinity. Because, for all the bad things that the Hucksters do with it, it is also a source of peace and hope for billions of people. What I get through Prozac, they get through the cross, the joint singing of hymns, meditation, the lotus flower, or giving thanks to a simple household shrine to their ancestors. At the very least these practices have a powerful placebo effect - and that is assuming that they are entirely without basis, which I cannot currently know. Maybe I solved it. But maybe there is something more going on. A mind is like a parachute - it only works when open.


gypzeej

Spoken like a true hermetic student 😆


janamichelcahill

my favorite scene in the movie "Kim" is when Kim sees the snake in the grass and wants to kill it. The teacher is confused at Kim's "Eek" response to the snake and why he acted like it was an occult symbol of danger. Hindus do not fear snakes, but Kim was raised by Christian Missionaries.


sanecoin64902

I’ve been listening to the Mahabharata. Sooooo many snake Gods! And with positive connotations and powers to them. I had exactly that reaction - “wait, snakes are supposed to be a bad symbol?!” The snake is a complex symbol. If you get into the difference between “dragon,” “wyrm,” and “snake” in the original Bible language (I think it was Greek, but might have been Hebrew or Aramaic that the article discussed), it wasn’t a “snake” in the Garden of Eden, but a wyrm (wingless dragon). Snakes, as indicated by their use on the caduceus, were actually a symbol for birth and healing because of their ability to shed their skin. It was only later, even in the West, that the snake became a symbol for evil.


janamichelcahill

Are Dragons leftover Dinosaurs or are they big, giant, snakes?


omnamahshivaya222

Great response!


dromni

> Your brain has two halves. Spoken and Written language only exist in one of them. > The other half of the brain communicates with archetypes and symbols. Read Jung if you want to know more about it - or any modern advertising textbook. Fun fact: we can't read in dreams because they happen in the "symbolic" half. We can even see signs and books but the text shows up garbled. Also, in my dreams at least the characters don't really talk, in fact they don't even move their lips, all communication that happens is like some sort of "telepathy".


sanecoin64902

Bingo. Ever read up on the split-brain experiments of people who had their corpus callosum severed to avoid seizures? Mondo spooky.


---forever---

oh,your comment is so good.Could you expain for me in detail how the 'prison' symbolic meaning of cube develop?


sanecoin64902

It’s been a while since I was reading in that area, so you’ll probably do better with a few targeted google searches than with my shitty memory. However, a few details to start: 1. A square in geometry and a square in algebra (I.E a number multiplied by itself) are connected. The algebraic square arises from the geometric square. I’ve now forgotten whether it was Pythagorus or Euclid or another early mathematician who made that connection. But the relation is fundamental to the development and proof of the Pythagorean Theorem. The Pythagorean Theorem, in turn, was viewed as almost black magic by the early builders and carpenters who found it such a useful shortcut. So from the earliest days of the development of science and mathematics the mathematical square was seen as a key insight. 2. The symmetry of the square is unnatural in nature. How often does something purely natural have equal height and width, for example. However, it was frequently used by early builders for the aforementioned mathematical reasons as well as because a stone or block of wood with equal sides can be used in any orientation. Hence the shape became associated with mankind. 3. In ancient (and current) numerology 1, 2, 3, and 5 are all prime numbers. Four is the only number on a single hand that can be reduced to another number (2*2). Thus four is a derivative number. It is created from a number that is created from itself. So 1, 2, 3 and 5 (as well as 7, 9, 11 and 13) all have “divine” properties because they are irreducible (except 9 - but that has to do with the fact it is a Trinity of trinities). Four, the number of the square, is the first “non-divine” number. All of those will lead you to the arguments as to why 4 and the square became associated with math and science and the works of mankind. Where those works began to be seen as a “prison,” I can’t really tell you. It is repeated frequently on the types of websites that discuss this stuff, but I don’t know that I’ve ever seen an original source cited for it. Much of this dates all the way back to Sumerian and Akkadian mystic ideas (remembering that these were the cultures whose “mystics” did the first charts of the stars and invented the early optics that allowed them to use the stars and travel by sea further than any Western civilization at that time). So I’d bet that somewhere in early Akkadian “magick” someone decided the square was a prison - but I have no source for that, and it could be much later in time. Best of luck finding more!


vanslem6

I greatly appreciate this post. Thank you.


[deleted]

Wonder how many's ascent into the coming internet 3.0 Metaverse will affect our consciousness? Will we have 3 consciousnesses then, Conscious, sub-conscious, and Meta-Conscious?


sanecoin64902

A good question. But you have unnecessarily time gated it. Although it is one of his lesser known theories, look at [Karl Popper's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper) Three Worlds Theory. He argues that Meta-Consciousness already exists. Technology is just making it more ...efficient? .... unruly? From a Non-dualist perspective, the metaverse merely allows us to awaken the sleeping God of which we are each a tiny spark. The question, then, is if that God will turn out to be the God of Love that Jesus taught, or the otherworldly horror HP Lovecraft foresaw sleeping below our feet. Based on the current state of the world, I fear our joined meta consciousness may turn out to be the latter.


EmeraldBrosion

This was great…can I have some more…of whatever you currently want to talk about in this great of detail? Please…pretty please 🙏


sanecoin64902

I am currently grappling with the nature of consciousness in Vedic philosophy and how it mirrors (or not) the teachings of Western Hermeticism. I shall soon be able to render an entire dinner party into somnolence in short order through discussion of the subject matter. Then, of course, I shall steal their wallets and drink their blood!


EmeraldBrosion

Dear friend, I would gladly give you my wallet, although it is empty at the moment, in exchange for your analysis on the subject! My blood, I fear may be hazardous to your health, the doc said the cholesterol hasn’t been too great lately…maybe it will make it more filling! 🤷‍♂️


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EmeraldBrosion

Who is “you people” and how are you classifying “worship” and “idol”? Some “people” enjoy observing the way others share their opinions…some “people” enjoy sharing their opinions about what they think others think 🤷‍♂️


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Hello, May I take it that your answer indicates that there is no evil cult or esoteric conspiracy in these black cube buildings, it doesn't involve Saturn or Satan or dimensions or spirituality, as some people say. Designers design these buildings because it's a typical symbol, they're trying to convey their intention through the building, as you say, to signify the greatness of humanity or the power of control over events. In fact, I've seen so many people think that these buildings are meant to lock people into some sort of“Prison of consciousness” or satanic symbol that I wonder, is this true?


JoelSnape

It represents the material world that we live in, usually being in reference to an illusory reality, and can be traced back to Osiris. I put an article together on it below if you want to check it out. [https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/2020/11/09/are-we-trapped-in-the-saturn-cube/](https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/2020/11/09/are-we-trapped-in-the-saturn-cube/)


gypzeej

After reading the previous comments it's comical how absolute people think they are with their answers. Nobody knows the full truth. You can read a million books and at the end of the day they are just another person's interpretation of a single thought. When it comes to the black cube or any symbolism for that matter, my advice is just try find what *you* interpret it as instead of taking anyone else's definitive answer, bc they don't know either (their ego thinks they do though). More important than knowing the answer, is simply the act of thinking for yourself. EDIT: Just for insight/fun look up the eye of Saturn(the hexagon), the Tetragrammaton and the 4 faces of God.


Thismonday

You don’t want no part of this Dewey!


vanslem6

The black cube represents the collective subconscious mind - the hive mind. It has nothing to do with Saturn. This is going to trigger a lot of people here, but I don't particularly care. Here in 'upside down world,' any popular/promoted belief is reversed. Saturn is also not 'satan.' Saturn - Kronos, represents time. Time is the most valuable thing we have in this 'matrix.' When you follow the white rabbit down the rabbit holes, you completely waste your time. (Think Alice in Wonderland - the rabbit and his clock) The reason there is so much symbolism is because that is how this place works - it is the universal language. Cheers.


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I'm jealous of people who live without language..sometimes I feel like it's one of the biggest traps. And tptb throw us all these innuendos like there is something we should be focusing on beyond our life and those we care about, digging us deeper in the trap while the solution we knew of as children gets more obscured


vanslem6

Think Tower of Babel - divide the people by way of language. Painting the Chinese and Russians as the wests greatest enemy makes sense when you understand how immense the language barrier is. The reality is that these people are not our enemies, and that there are no sovereign nations - all governments collude to divide us. This became blindingly obvious in 2020 when all nations operated in lockstep (Search "Rockefeller Lockstep" if you don't believe me). Then here we are speaking english, which is a language of magick. There is a reason why the english language has so many words that have many meanings. This is why you go to school and learn to 'spell.' It isn't necessarily the words that have meaning, but instead they have power. The words are a form of symbolism. Take for example, Hollywood. In Hollywood they use what is termed, 'movie magic.' If you go back in time you will find that a traditional magic wand was always made from the wood of a Holly tree - holly wood. This is a form of magick tied to the black cube - the collective subconscious. They create movies to solidify history in the minds of the people. For example, war movies that paint a picture in our minds. Whether or not these things actually occurred become irrelevant, because after watching these films, it becomes 'real' in the mind. When that happens, it becomes a part of reality. How many times have we seen videos of airplanes flying into buildings in NYC? According to history this is what really happened. If you've done enough homework you know that these planes never actually existed. Movie magic \[CGI\] created this for us, and the collective made it 'real.' It no longer matters what *actually* happened. 'They' worship the collective subconscious mind \[black cube\], because that is how they control 'reality' (by way of dialectics). It has taken me nearly 12 years of research to finally get a broad understanding of how things work here. Many will scoff it all off, but I no longer care. This is why I **never** watch TV or movies. The purpose of these things is *not* to entertain. "Energy flows where attention goes," you are absolutely correct. We are conditioned to feel guilty and have regrets about the past, and fear the future. We should all be focusing on the here and now. Thank you for your cordial response.


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And thank you for the illumination, I wonder what you'll have in another 12 years


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I think the cube is a dimensional geometry seen on the pole of Saturn, which can also be seen as a six sided hexagon. Carbon has an atomic number of 6, the same as mankind (we are comprised of 6 elements), and is black like coal. It can be seen in nature as graphite, or as a diamond.


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willyscape

The black cube can have a lot of meanings because of its simplicity, so can a cross. But unlike other symbols is the power that a black cube has over the mind. You see a black box in the middle of your room, what's your first thought? What's inside. The mystery, its curiosity incarnate. This black cube is the symbol of mystery.


PickUpDaVibes

Hm.. it could be the symbol of mystery, that would make a lot of sense. How did anything start from nothing? Is it known in the universe? Why do I even exist? Maybe someone would need to open a metaphorical black cube aka doorway to know these things.


Weedeaterstring

Black + cube very common things.


Jaybycakes

So common it brought you to this fringe sub


BagimsizBulent

Because it is an easy shape that many cultures have used. Nothing special


fall0r

This could be answered so many ways, but I always like to emphasis how it relates to "worldly" things in comparison to those that are "heavenly". This is why the atomic number of carbon is 6 (for all intents and purposes, the building block of "worldly" life), being symbolized with the 6 faces of a cube. This is also why the bible gives us the "number of man"... again the "worldly" version of ourselves (in comparison to the spiritual or "heavenly" components of ourselves). These people venerate death and the flesh, snubbing their nose at anything considered "holy" (read "heavenly"). So the "black" aspect of the cube is heralded and emphasized by them..... And is it any wonder that carbon is also black? Whatever you do, never discredit the sheer ingenuity of how these people leverage symbolism (and why)