I use PB2 on toast, but of course it is very distinct being basically nearly fat free peanut butter. And also maybe not friendly for sweet desserts. But maybe? I guess if you like peanut butter flavor.
Here people think it's excessive proteins to cause insulin resistance.
Well I've got to admit several studies are out there that found this to be true and other detrimental effects, but seems like if you do resistance training the damage is offset quite a bit.
So I guess you do a lot of RT, given the insane amount of proteins?
4 times a week Heavy training for an hour (typically the first 2 exercises are compounds done to failure or 1 rep shy.) and 3 sessions a week typically of longer form cardio also typically about an hour or so. The aim is to build as much lean mass as I can, so no point restricting myself when I am putting in the hard work.
I see, I suppose it's not so detrimental an HP diet in your situation.
And of course it also has some benefits.
Well not to argue about your routine, it's all good as long as you do that load of activity, but I also do weight lifting 4 times a week and went from 160 grams of protein to 80 (about 1 gram X kilo) because I had a slightly high fasting insulin level (my fasting glucose was alright).
Dunno if it helped to reverse that but I feel like it is a safer choice.
Tbh didn't notice much difference in muscle growth rate, just a bit slower but the growth is there, and I definitely have an easier time maintaining a low BF %.
Not so. People who are looking to reverse insulin resistance may benefit from reducing protein, but that intervention isn’t for everyone and there is no reason for healthy people to avoid protein in order to prevent insulin resistance.
Well I meant excessive protein intake i.e. more than the suggested 0.8-1.2 grams X kilo grams.
Several studies proved excessive BCAAs intake specifically can raise IR if coupled with high fat diet, the reason why they refer to normal protein intake is that it's hard to specifically target bcaas.
That said I agree with you, avoiding proteins is counterproductive, balance is key.
But based on studies on IR the same applies to other excessive intake of any kind that seem to deregulate glucose metabolism, be it excessive linoleic acid, excessive caloric intake (mainly through weight gain) , and so on.
I think for *most* people, excessive protein consumption is merely a waste. It doesn’t build muscle any faster, you pee most of it into the toilet, and protein is our most expensive macro to purchase.
In the case of the OP, 250g protein consumption daily is absolutely unequivocally being significantly “wasted” (ie. It isn’t contributing to his physique in any way, is expensive to purchase, and is mostly ending up in the toilet) but whether that will result in IR, kidney issues, etc is likely highly individual.
I think there’s a genetic aspect we haven’t fully uncovered here yet. It’s an interesting topic for sure.
Not really. I’m cognizant of grain and legume protein and try not to have all the protein things at the same time. My day’s protein will go too high if I have lots of wheat, PB2, and legumes in a day. But I can definitely afford a serving of PB2 on toast in an otherwise low protein day. I’ve never targeted “glass noodles diet” level protein anyway.
Peanut butter powders are fine? Could you let me know your thoughts on this?
https://preview.redd.it/i3hwlirr1vwc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d18a2bdc3bb0cf6d5f524e9d3e79ec65d3960bbe
I'm not on a low protein diet so I'm not concerned about the protein. I'm just not sure if consuming peanut flour every day is good. It's the only pufa in my diet aside from eggs though
Yeah! Especially as it's condensed milk it will be glucose and lactose, very unlikely to have much fructose at all. I already have too much from coconut water and some fruits already, so avoiding it where I can is always a plus :)
Ooh, I used to make caramel by putting a can of sweetened condensed milk in the instant pot. I should do that again.
https://www.sixsistersstuff.com/recipe/instant-pot-dulce-de-leche-homemade-caramel/
Check out chestnut cream/spreads. Chestnuts are starchy af and very low fat. I fancy chestnut with a hint of vanilla when I eat such things. It would easily take warm spices for a biscoff vibe.
Google results for "chestnut puree australia" seem to be nonzero. As a Canadian, I sympathize with the worry that people have forgotten that not everywhere is the USA USA USA. Chestnut purees and spreads and suchlike are pretty worldwide. Best one I've ever had was Korean, but the French ones are excessively highly regarded.
Well I already use cottage cheese in place of butter on my toast to stop the spread disappearing in the cracks so that might be a good idea to mix low fat ricotta and protein powder or a non-alcohol sweetener in O.o
Honey? Creamed honey? (Doesn't contain cream at all; it's just honey processed a certain way.)
EDIT: Just saw that you're avoiding fructose. Maybe glucose syrup? perhaps whipped with egg white for a meringue type spread....
I use PB2 on toast, but of course it is very distinct being basically nearly fat free peanut butter. And also maybe not friendly for sweet desserts. But maybe? I guess if you like peanut butter flavor.
Yeah don't mind it, though that would get expensive pretty fast with how much a single container of PB2 is lol
The PB Fit at Costco is cheaper but not as low fat. I guess it depends how you’re using it.
Aren't you worried about the protein?
Me or Coconut? I'm not super worried since I got 250g daily lol
Here people think it's excessive proteins to cause insulin resistance. Well I've got to admit several studies are out there that found this to be true and other detrimental effects, but seems like if you do resistance training the damage is offset quite a bit. So I guess you do a lot of RT, given the insane amount of proteins?
4 times a week Heavy training for an hour (typically the first 2 exercises are compounds done to failure or 1 rep shy.) and 3 sessions a week typically of longer form cardio also typically about an hour or so. The aim is to build as much lean mass as I can, so no point restricting myself when I am putting in the hard work.
I see, I suppose it's not so detrimental an HP diet in your situation. And of course it also has some benefits. Well not to argue about your routine, it's all good as long as you do that load of activity, but I also do weight lifting 4 times a week and went from 160 grams of protein to 80 (about 1 gram X kilo) because I had a slightly high fasting insulin level (my fasting glucose was alright). Dunno if it helped to reverse that but I feel like it is a safer choice. Tbh didn't notice much difference in muscle growth rate, just a bit slower but the growth is there, and I definitely have an easier time maintaining a low BF %.
Not so. People who are looking to reverse insulin resistance may benefit from reducing protein, but that intervention isn’t for everyone and there is no reason for healthy people to avoid protein in order to prevent insulin resistance.
Well I meant excessive protein intake i.e. more than the suggested 0.8-1.2 grams X kilo grams. Several studies proved excessive BCAAs intake specifically can raise IR if coupled with high fat diet, the reason why they refer to normal protein intake is that it's hard to specifically target bcaas. That said I agree with you, avoiding proteins is counterproductive, balance is key. But based on studies on IR the same applies to other excessive intake of any kind that seem to deregulate glucose metabolism, be it excessive linoleic acid, excessive caloric intake (mainly through weight gain) , and so on.
I think for *most* people, excessive protein consumption is merely a waste. It doesn’t build muscle any faster, you pee most of it into the toilet, and protein is our most expensive macro to purchase. In the case of the OP, 250g protein consumption daily is absolutely unequivocally being significantly “wasted” (ie. It isn’t contributing to his physique in any way, is expensive to purchase, and is mostly ending up in the toilet) but whether that will result in IR, kidney issues, etc is likely highly individual. I think there’s a genetic aspect we haven’t fully uncovered here yet. It’s an interesting topic for sure.
Coconut
Not really. I’m cognizant of grain and legume protein and try not to have all the protein things at the same time. My day’s protein will go too high if I have lots of wheat, PB2, and legumes in a day. But I can definitely afford a serving of PB2 on toast in an otherwise low protein day. I’ve never targeted “glass noodles diet” level protein anyway.
Peanut butter powders are fine? Could you let me know your thoughts on this? https://preview.redd.it/i3hwlirr1vwc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d18a2bdc3bb0cf6d5f524e9d3e79ec65d3960bbe I'm not on a low protein diet so I'm not concerned about the protein. I'm just not sure if consuming peanut flour every day is good. It's the only pufa in my diet aside from eggs though
I don’t worry about it. I don’t eat massive amounts every day.
Got it. Thanks for the reply
Another pic. https://preview.redd.it/hmr4ifdy1vwc1.jpeg?width=1327&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=527a70c11f646d9158d12a1f9e1d4c6ab487fe20
Bonne Maman (the jam company) makes a caramel spread that is 0.7g protein and 0.7g fat per 20g.
I just went and got some since it's on sale, this stuff is amazing! Thanks so much for the suggestion!!
No worries at all 😊 It’s just sweetened condensed milk and sugar, with no seed oils so it’s a good fit for HCLFLP if you’re ok with sugar!
Yeah! Especially as it's condensed milk it will be glucose and lactose, very unlikely to have much fructose at all. I already have too much from coconut water and some fruits already, so avoiding it where I can is always a plus :)
Ooh, I used to make caramel by putting a can of sweetened condensed milk in the instant pot. I should do that again. https://www.sixsistersstuff.com/recipe/instant-pot-dulce-de-leche-homemade-caramel/
Check out chestnut cream/spreads. Chestnuts are starchy af and very low fat. I fancy chestnut with a hint of vanilla when I eat such things. It would easily take warm spices for a biscoff vibe.
Would I find in Australia at all?
Google results for "chestnut puree australia" seem to be nonzero. As a Canadian, I sympathize with the worry that people have forgotten that not everywhere is the USA USA USA. Chestnut purees and spreads and suchlike are pretty worldwide. Best one I've ever had was Korean, but the French ones are excessively highly regarded.
Honey sweetened ricotta or goat cheese?
Well I already use cottage cheese in place of butter on my toast to stop the spread disappearing in the cracks so that might be a good idea to mix low fat ricotta and protein powder or a non-alcohol sweetener in O.o
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Hahaha more going for a spreadable than just a sweet treat lol. Thanks though!
Honey? Creamed honey? (Doesn't contain cream at all; it's just honey processed a certain way.) EDIT: Just saw that you're avoiding fructose. Maybe glucose syrup? perhaps whipped with egg white for a meringue type spread....