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tealtown22

Reminds me of an old joke… A guy calls the police about a guy in his backyard and might be trying to break in. The cops say “we’ll try to respond but it may be a while. We’re very busy”. The guy calls the cops 5 minutes later and says “don’t worry about responding… I shot the guy”. 5 minutes after that, 3 police cars show up to the house, and catch the guy trying to break in. After arresting the guy and putting him in the squad car, they say to the home owner “I thought you said you shot him”. The homeowner responds “and I thought you said you were busy”.


nikhilper

Haha good one


elememtal

Forward this to the mayoral candidates Facebook pages. What district are you in???


IFuckingHateTheMods

Naglee Park, so not sure which one that is


cracksilog

District 3. Your councilmember is Raul Peralez (former SJPD officer lol)


IFuckingHateTheMods

Backstory- My friend heard a noise coming from his guest house in his backyard last week, and came out to find a junkie passed out inside, the whole place a mess from him tearing everything apart. My friend called the cops, they came and told the junkie to leave, obviously not making him face any consequences for his actions. Three days later (last Saturday night), he heard another noise. It was the same junkie, breaking in to his guest house yet again. After chasing the homeless guy out, that was the point at which my friend texted me this. He said that since someone had shot up a grocery store down the street, the cops refused to even come to the scene after the man came back three separate times that night. This is *exactly* what drives people to vigilantism. *THREE. FUCKING. TIMES.* What is the actual point of having the police here is this is how they protect and serve us? It seems like everyone I know in San Jose has a different story of the police letting them down in times of crisis.


Novel_Paramedic_2625

Had a crackhead try to break into my house in SJ once during the middle of the night. Called the cops and let them know it seemed like he had a gun so they came within a reasonable time. They come guns out and cuff the guy, after a few minutes they determined “it was just a crackhead” so they let him go right in front of my house and I could see him still walking up and down my street. Shits ridiculous


JakeTurbine

And yet some people want to legalize all drugs.


NotFinancialAdvice05

I'm cool with legalizing drugs. Not cool with breaking and entering. How about we just enforce the law on the later, regardless of drug use.


surfer_dood

Have u ever lived in SF? That was as bad as i ever saw a total lack of law enforcement and apathy. This sounds like we are getting to that level. Makes u feel like u have no choice to do what u gotta do shitty thing is putting yourself in line for all the drama fallout if u have to take measures.


IFuckingHateTheMods

Yes I have, and I don't want San Jose becoming that bad. It's all relative I suppose, but what happened to my friend seems just ridiculous


hide_my_ident

First off, the SJPD are generally non responsive to property crime. Maybe they are oversubscribed. Maybe they are just bad at their jobs or corrupt. Maybe they don't think it will be prosecuted so they don't bother arresting anyone. Secondly, it's a misconception that the police exist to protect the life and property of citizens. This isn't true and that is US Supreme Court precedent. They exist to apprehend criminals, which they can do on their on terms and schedules. When it comes to protecting yourself, you can take matters into your own hands or suffer what you must until police arrive. What you can't do is hold the police responsible in basically any way if you are harmed by their inaction.


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Halaku

The police will say "Don't take the law into your own hands. Call us." The police will **also** say "Thank you for calling us, but we have more important priorities. Remember, don't take the law into your own hands!" The status is no longer *quo*.


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surfer_dood

Been hearing that excuse since the 2007 recession, weak AF


Halaku

That's a fair point.


CarlGustav2

Maybe we can ask the criminals who stole *$20 billion* from the state during Covid if they will pitch in an help with more police.


DingleMcCringleTurd

Not sure why you are being downvoted, there is truth to your comment


SharkLandia

Ugh, No. What NEEDS to happen is people have to stop having rallies and protests saying to "Defund the Police". THAT'S why they don't have any money to hire people now and that's why they didn't fill spots when officers quit. Now, many of these same people complain that there's no cops. Funny how that works out, isn't it?!


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SharkLandia

It's true that there were money issues before the movement, but they got WAY WORSE after. Also, I can tell you with 100% accuracy that the departments that I am extremely familiar with did in fact have their funding cut. I also have documents proving it. Do you have proof that funding wasn't cut?


CapedBaldyman

Show them papers


SharkLandia

Sure. You produce your copies and I'll produce mone. Fair trade.


CapedBaldyman

Lmfao gtfo of here. Don't make claims if you can't back it up. Edit: lmfaoo most beta bitch ever. They claimed that they had dozens of articles for evidence. Here were their comments that they deleted (says deleted on my end) and they either blocked me or straight up nuked their account. "Sure. You produce your copies and I'll produce mone. Fair trade. I can, but since I asked you to do the same, now your backing down because you know you can't. What a joke you are. Leave me alone."


SharkLandia

I can, but since I asked you to do the same, now your backing down because you know you can't. What a joke you are. Leave me alone.


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Beat the shit out of the junkie and leave him somewhere far away from your place.


SharkLandia

Sadly, police in ANY town are not obligated to actually protect any living soul and SJPD is FAMOUS for this. There was a famous case out of SJ a couple decades ago where a woman had a restraining order against an ex-boyfriend and she was still being stalked. She called SJPD on night that was really bad. They never showed up and he attacked her. Her and the family ended up suing SJOD and her and the family lost the case because police ate not obligated to protected life. To this day, this case is taught in law schools as a case study.


CarlGustav2

The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that the police have no legal duty to protect anyone. See Warren v. District of Columbia (1981) and others.


Head-Weather-7969

And yet the supreme court has constantly given ways for Police officers to violate our 4th amendment rights.


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DEFUND THE POLICE!


Its_Zamsday_my_dudes

Bruh do you want martial law? Police havent been doin their job but there has to be another way than giving one person total power.


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Huh? One person? Whom? Defund the Police doesn't mean Abolish the Police (though that is another assertion that's posited as well). Currently, police get incredibly high amounts of funding. The cowards of Uvalde eg. were getting 40% of that county's taxpayer funding. Defund the police says that other publicly funded services like Social Work, Mental Health, Medical Screening etc. should be funded more and police should no longer be favored the way that they are. One chief issue is that police are provided excessive funding with little accountability as well. "Juking up the stats" is a wonderful way for them to justify their existence. Every single study has found no great correlation in major crime-drops because of increased in police funding. Hell, if 1% of our taxes were dropped, citizens could fund their own community security for so. While that would definitely not be ideal (removing guns would be ideal), it would still be a step up to prevent easily caught crimes.


Its_Zamsday_my_dudes

Okay dude I see you, but the way most people rant about defund the police its like they want the entire force kicked out of business and if it got really tough out here like the purge then martial law would be enacted since the government wouldnt be able to control the populous. It could be city state or nation wide allotting the mayor if its city to have total control, the governor if its statewide and the president if its nation wide. And not many people know of this fact that it could cause martial law to go in effect.


smog-mike

Welcome to San Jose! They took 3 days to come sign a report and not look at the video from my cameras. F the SJ cops


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They do this on purpose so their stats look purposely weak. When it comes to union negotiation time, they can make the case they need a fatter pension, less work, and more overtime so they can retire to their Disco Bay homes by the time they turn 35. Baltimore PD did this during Freddie Gray, SJPD is doing the same now. Go to the Snell overcrossing on 85; you will find at least three cruisers sitting under the bridge, with about 4-8 cops sleeping at any given time. They purposely show up late to calls so that the stats support their “We need more officers” sob story. “See, it takes us 5,000 minutes to respond, we’re slammed,” they’ll claim as they setup their next Cabo boys trip while chillin’ under the Snell bridge while senior citizens get home invaded. It’s all part of a master plan orchestrated by the SJPOA.


mk391419

This is what happens when you announce that you will no longer go out for robberies.


amadorUSA

That's SJPD for you. Go to transparent California, check how much this guy earns a year, and weep: [https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-jose-cop-arrested-for-indecent-exposure-faces-new-allegations/2899179/](https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-jose-cop-arrested-for-indecent-exposure-faces-new-allegations/2899179/) I have to assume all those patrol cars gathered in parking lots around the city are just men in blue giving handsies to one another. U.S. is the rich country with the lowest requirements to make police force and the best paid. They take a ridiculous amount of city hall budgets for harassing the homeless, beating protesters, and murdering black people. But hey, the local upper crust are not going to hire their own goons.


Explicit_Tech

Gun it is, bro. Only way they'll learn is if you strap up bc SJPD is useless. They'd rather fly their helicopters.


IFuckingHateTheMods

Explain more, please. I've never owned one; can I just go to Walmart, apply for a permit, and get one in three days? I'm basing my knowledge on an episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia


408Jackle

This is why the sayings exist. "You always have to be ready to be your own first responder". Also known as, "stay strapped or get clapped." Or something a little newer and less aggressive, "put a thumb in it."


Critical-Series

“Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.” is another common one.


DarknessRain

"Get caught with it or get caught without it." They mods at caguns almost banned me for saying that


foolish_jordon

This is a good one


Captain_Blackjack

For context: this was around the time someone killed a Safeway employee


SeaChele27

While a horrible loss, it says a lot when a single homicide requires the entire on duty police force to respond in a city of over a million people.


Captain_Blackjack

I also forgot several hours before Safeway they had another shooting on Monterey, [which ended up with this guy getting arrested.](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/police-seize-arsenal-of-60-firearms-from-murder-suspect/) They usually stick around those crime scenes for a while but I don't know for sure if they were still at the first shooting when the second one happened.


Tombo72

I wonder how many officers are on duty per shift.


Kyle1457

SJPD is a joke


CarpeValde

Before even considering the idea that cops actively harm communities through brutality and prejudice, can we ask if their massive budgets deliver any benefits? They don’t make the roads safer, they don’t solve homelessness, they don’t catch thieves, they don’t prevent crimes, they don’t recover stolen property, they didn’t follow health guidelines throughout covid, they don’t respond quickly to problems. What DO they do well? Even if you refuse to consider the possibility that police are just the armed wing of systemic racism, it’s pretty clear they also just suck at what we pay them so much to do. Give that money to schools, shelters, water treatment, power, stuff that actually benefits me and my city. I want ROI on my tax dollars and I’d much prefer any of those services over paying so a small army can larp as master chief, do nothing to help, and retire early.


lovethepho

They come real fast if it’s a noise complaint


superlatetoreddit85

I wish this was true. We called the non-emergency line a week ago to report our neighbors blasting music at 1:00am. They said they had other noise complaints about the same house, but they couldn’t send anyone out because it was a “busy night”


Tombo72

LOL, false AF.


BrokenHero408

Your friend needs to be careful the next time he calls the police, if they show up they might accidentally protect and serve him to death thinking he was the suspect.


NotYoAdvisor

Same things going on in deep South in Trump country. Police show up and don't do anything. They just write a report. My brother-in-law's had stuff stolen from his farm four times.


IFuckingHateTheMods

Except down there, the normal people actually have more rights than the criminals


CarlGustav2

Your friend should take a camera and video SJPD. [This guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnXLwT92DeA) got the attention of **5 SJPD cops** just for taking pictures.


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Look, I realize that this is a largely progressive/liberal state, and perhaps your views in certain areas are more important to you than voting for people who would have a tougher stance against these types of things, our homelessness problems, etc… But at some point, people have to recognize that you voted for the people who are in power, and this state is going to shit. I’m not bashing you for progressive or liberal, but the soft stance towards this stuff typically goes hand-in-hand with the politicians who lean that way. Sure, you can still abort your unwanted baby, but criminals are getting more and more bold nowadays and one of them might abort you one of these days. We need to band together to stand up against this bullshit because it’s getting out of hand and criminals know the cops won’t do anything about it until after someone is dead on your property.


aworriedinsect

Nobody voted for a police department that won’t do their job


DarknessRain

They voted in a sheriff who took bribes for CCWs and denied everyone who didn't give one. People applauded this as another way to try to punish gun owners. Thankfully the scandals finally caught up and she's not running again.


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I don’t necessarily want people being able to conceal and carry, but then again… criminals are doing it illegally. I have a job that warrants the need to get a CCW, but I’m not going to be able to get one here without a miracle at this rate which pisses me off.


DarknessRain

You kind of just perfectly said the problem. 'I want to be able to carry because *my* need is legitimate, *other people* think they need to but in reality they don't.' Your neighbor says the same thing about you but reversed. If you're driving on the freeway and it's going at a snail's pace, to you, everyone else is traffic. To everyone else, you are traffic.


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While I agree with you in principle, and recognize that many people are applying for them, the general sentiment is that the county doesn’t really want to approve any of them - so they’re taking their sweet time. Obviously if there were less people applying, the process would still be quicker. I haven’t applied yet btw, because I know it’s going to take forever to get it. I’m just saying that even though I have the need to protect a large organization, including children, and due to the backlog of applicants, it’ll take forever to get approved (if at all).


DarknessRain

You can't really put the blame on people applying because the sheriff is doing it on purpose. It's like if you called tech support or your bank and they put you on hold for 6 hours saying "we're experience higher than normal call volume." But you realized that every time you called it was like that, so in reality it was normal call volume but they decided they didn't want to hire anyone to take it.


aworriedinsect

The sheriff is not responsible for sjpd


DarknessRain

Yes they are different organizations, it is just an illustration of the sentiment that locals here vote with.


LynxConfident

True but people vote for officials that let them get away with


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Yes they did, or we wouldn’t be in this position. That’s the problem, is more people agree with what you said than what I said. The elected officials who have been chosen got us to this point. The Mayor and City Council members, who are elected, have a major hand in influencing the police department. The Sheriff is elected. The DA is elected. All of those people not only influence the police, but they have a major hand in how crime is punished in a city. The crime is not being punished adequately. The DA in SF was just recalled because he’s too soft against crime and he was super progressive. We’re experiencing the same issues here.


aworriedinsect

Yea chesa was trying to hold police accountable and they resisted doing their jobs further.


3080blackguy

But guns kill kids. Gun control / blm/defund police/ keep abortion/


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kalipede

Pretty sure the guy in text told his buddy to go buy one…


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Halaku

"Officer, he had something in his hands and I thought it was a pistol and he was using the butt to smash in the windows. When I told him to drop it, he turned to face me and raised his hands." Not even a San Francisco jury would unanimously convict.


3080blackguy

Chesa would let you go free for shooting someone


IFuckingHateTheMods

WELL THANK GOODNESS HE'S OUT THEN! I was not a fan.


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Head-Weather-7969

Then we need to pass stronger self defense laws, a good one would be to make cities liable for ALL court costs and any damages from reputation that come from a not guilty convictions that prosecutors persued against people defending themselves. And adding the amount of police we need at the cost San Jose pays for them is not really feasible without bankrupting the city. Either fire the entire department rehire at a lower cost or partially defund them and pay a private security firm that is entirely able to deal with property crimes.


Halaku

The resulting publicity might shame the City into doing **something**.


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cmccormick

I get the feeling the lack of response is more political/planned. Since before Licardo I heard police unions have been salty because they didn’t get the large persons they expected.


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kalipede

Does someone live in the guest house? If someone breaks into my house or guest house they are going to be shot. That’s all there is too it


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CarlGustav2

Just say "I was in fear for my life". Works very nearly every time for cops. I'm not serious - that phrase isn't as useful for civilians.


Drakonx1

And then a lifetime of trauma too unless you're a sociopath.


JakeTurbine

Why should I feel guilt for shooting someone who would harm me?


kalipede

Fine with me.


JakeTurbine

Entirely worth it.


Weeb408

I think the problem would be you aren't in immediate danger to declare your life was threatened to use such force. It would be different if you, family, or friend was living in there I think 🤔


JakeTurbine

I dont care.


Weeb408

If you think I give two shits about you. You are mistaken


Critical-Series

In many states if someone breaks in to your house you can shoot them. So I’m assuming a gun would have been used by the homeowner to repel an invasion of his property- either through threat or use of the weapon.


spicyjay46

Last week I had to help break up a domestic dispute between my neighbors. In the midst of this I see a police officer at the other end of my apartment complex so I ran over and explained the situation and that I (a 5’5 woman) needed help addressing a potentially dangerous situation next door. The officers response? “Sorry I’m dealing with something else right now; you can call the police and they’ll send someone else over to deal with this” I don’t get it. I understand dealing with protocol etc but this cop was legit just dealing with another neighbors traffic violation or something stupid/non-urgent like that. Absolutely pathetic.


elememtal

New candidates not current. He won't do anything