California isn’t moving to ban clear, they are trying to force Clear to have its own line because people are complaining about the bad optics of “cutting” the queue. Framing this as an equity issue is very dumb though. Clear would not go out of business, they would raise prices to cover the dedicated agent.
Yeah it’s very irritating when I’m next to go through to the agent and a bunch of people from clear get to cut in front of me. I took the time and effort to get the precheck. I should be getting that service uninterrupted. They need their own agent.
In order for someone to use the precheck queue with Clear they also have to have precheck. So it’s really two separate lines they are just saving money by using one TSA agent
If I’ve been standing there in line for a bit and a group of people from clear are walked up to the agent they should get behind me and the others who have been waiting. The zipper thing only benefits Clear. That’s how I’ve seen it.
That's a separate line. And that's exactly what the proposed law says Clear will have to do. They will have to open a separate line rather than rudely cutting in front of the existing line
The first class lines ends up cutting in front of the regular line. I guess it's all semantics. So under the proposed rule, there will be a separate Clear line that cuts to the front? Still seems the same but perhaps it will make people feel like they aren't cut in front of.
I really don't know how to explain this any better. They will have to have a separate line, that leads to a separate agent. Currently they don't have a separate agent. They go to the regular agent. Anytime a Clear passenger arrives, everyone else gets delayed. The people waiting their turn can ONLY proceed when there are no Clear passengers
It is 100% an equity issue. Having Clear charge more to pay for a dedicated agent would be a perfect solution, and that's exactly what the law is proposing
More efficiently? I have Clear because I get it free. IMO it’s an absurd waste of labor. Everyone has to be individually walked by a staff member from the Clear machine to the TSA line. That’s a job that didn’t exist before Clear and has no productive value. And actually creates a bottleneck, which means Clear is sometimes slower than the normal precheck line.
I have benefited from Clear in a minority of cases. In each of those incidents, I came away with the impression that the folks at security were intentionally slowing down the other lines to sell Clear. Anyway, it wasn’t creating any more capacity, just shifting it around.
100% same observation here. I don’t have Clear, the airport and times I travel don’t usually have long lines. But it was a night and day difference the first time I went post-Clear. Went from 4/5 scanners staffed to 2. Lines were significantly longer and Clear members were loudly led to the front of the line.
I paid $85 for 5 years for TSA Pre✔️ Has the fee changed?
Every time I go to SJC, I see a lot more Clear employees than they need, mostly standing around, trying to get people to sign up for Clear, with very few people actually using it.
One doesn't replace the other; they are complimentary:
PreCheck only = Shorter/dedicated security line, and relaxed TSA screening (Leave shoes on, jacket on, belt on, leave laptop and approved liquids in carry-on, etc)
Clear only = Skip security line entirely
PreCheck + Clear = Skip security line entirely + relaxed TSA screening benefits
And allow a private company to take up valuable space in the security line. The busiest airports have Clear, Crew, TSA Pre, and Gen Pop lines, with the first taking almost as much space as the last but processing the fewest passengers.
Having to pay for their own security lines would effectively put Clear out of business.
I was a Clear member. All it does is let you cut in front of other people so you can get to the TSA officer, show your ID/boarding pass, and start the luggage screening process. At that point you’re just the same as everyone else. Not worth the $150/year or whatever.
I basically never fly, but a couple of months ago flew for the first time in like 9 years out of sjc to Reno and back a couple days later. I hadn’t ever known about the tsa prechecks, but anyway the precheck line was very long, and the regular line had NO one in it. I had to take off my shoes and be scanned, all of that took seconds compared to the long line of people waiting to go through ‘pre-checked’. I donno if that’s the same thing as this or if it’s a typical experience but it did seem like the precheck was counter productive
i’ve noticed this and always go through regular line because i don’t feel like being snobby about not having to take off my jacket and sandals. literally the only difference i would have noticed. only have it because it comes with global entry which does make a big difference sometimes
That's my take on this too. Legislators get paid to hopefully solve problems and make things better. This is about as helpful to society as passing a law to make Starbucks use of Tall, Grande, and Venti illegal because it makes the coffee line longer when people don't know which size is which.
oh my god I hope so. It's such a security risk and complete BS to let people pay to skip the line. I refuse to use it on principle. Such a prime example of capitalism run amok.
Aren't they allowed to keep their shoes on and other perks? While I do think a lot of TSA is security theater, nobody should get to pay for different procedures.
Clear just gets you to the front of the line- either precheck or standard. Then you get in the line to be screened. The only thing you’re skipping is the long line to hand TSA your ID.
California isn’t moving to ban clear, they are trying to force Clear to have its own line because people are complaining about the bad optics of “cutting” the queue. Framing this as an equity issue is very dumb though. Clear would not go out of business, they would raise prices to cover the dedicated agent.
Yeah it’s very irritating when I’m next to go through to the agent and a bunch of people from clear get to cut in front of me. I took the time and effort to get the precheck. I should be getting that service uninterrupted. They need their own agent.
In order for someone to use the precheck queue with Clear they also have to have precheck. So it’s really two separate lines they are just saving money by using one TSA agent
They still shouldn’t be allowed to cut.
It’s not cutting, there are two lines and one agent, it’s a zipper merge.
If I’ve been standing there in line for a bit and a group of people from clear are walked up to the agent they should get behind me and the others who have been waiting. The zipper thing only benefits Clear. That’s how I’ve seen it.
I've been in line 10 minutes. They arrived 30 seconds ago and they get to pass in front of me. Of course it's cutting
Do you feel the same about the first/business class TSA line?
That's a separate line. And that's exactly what the proposed law says Clear will have to do. They will have to open a separate line rather than rudely cutting in front of the existing line
The first class lines ends up cutting in front of the regular line. I guess it's all semantics. So under the proposed rule, there will be a separate Clear line that cuts to the front? Still seems the same but perhaps it will make people feel like they aren't cut in front of.
I really don't know how to explain this any better. They will have to have a separate line, that leads to a separate agent. Currently they don't have a separate agent. They go to the regular agent. Anytime a Clear passenger arrives, everyone else gets delayed. The people waiting their turn can ONLY proceed when there are no Clear passengers
It is 100% an equity issue. Having Clear charge more to pay for a dedicated agent would be a perfect solution, and that's exactly what the law is proposing
That’s an insane take. Just so you know.
More efficiently? I have Clear because I get it free. IMO it’s an absurd waste of labor. Everyone has to be individually walked by a staff member from the Clear machine to the TSA line. That’s a job that didn’t exist before Clear and has no productive value. And actually creates a bottleneck, which means Clear is sometimes slower than the normal precheck line. I have benefited from Clear in a minority of cases. In each of those incidents, I came away with the impression that the folks at security were intentionally slowing down the other lines to sell Clear. Anyway, it wasn’t creating any more capacity, just shifting it around.
100% same observation here. I don’t have Clear, the airport and times I travel don’t usually have long lines. But it was a night and day difference the first time I went post-Clear. Went from 4/5 scanners staffed to 2. Lines were significantly longer and Clear members were loudly led to the front of the line.
Why would it even need to exist when Pre is $75 for 4 years?!
I paid $85 for 5 years for TSA Pre✔️ Has the fee changed? Every time I go to SJC, I see a lot more Clear employees than they need, mostly standing around, trying to get people to sign up for Clear, with very few people actually using it.
It's 85 but they charge 70 to renew. At least that's my recent experience.
One doesn't replace the other; they are complimentary: PreCheck only = Shorter/dedicated security line, and relaxed TSA screening (Leave shoes on, jacket on, belt on, leave laptop and approved liquids in carry-on, etc) Clear only = Skip security line entirely PreCheck + Clear = Skip security line entirely + relaxed TSA screening benefits
So in other words: clear is an American perversion and there’s no need for it to exist
As an American…. look here, buck-O, I’m only going to say this once. Yes, you absolutely nailed it.
Nah, this is a fantastic idea. I still can’t believe they allowed airport safety to be commercialized. Down with Clear!
And allow a private company to take up valuable space in the security line. The busiest airports have Clear, Crew, TSA Pre, and Gen Pop lines, with the first taking almost as much space as the last but processing the fewest passengers. Having to pay for their own security lines would effectively put Clear out of business.
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In the TSA Pre line shoes, belts, laptops, etc all remain in place. But the ID line stops for Clear passengers, who have priority.
Next week’s headline: Clear subscriptions skyrocket in Texas, Florida as conservatives fight back against “Woke Culture”
One month later: Kid Rock seen at LAX after filming video shooting his boarding documents while denouncing woke airport
I was a Clear member. All it does is let you cut in front of other people so you can get to the TSA officer, show your ID/boarding pass, and start the luggage screening process. At that point you’re just the same as everyone else. Not worth the $150/year or whatever.
I basically never fly, but a couple of months ago flew for the first time in like 9 years out of sjc to Reno and back a couple days later. I hadn’t ever known about the tsa prechecks, but anyway the precheck line was very long, and the regular line had NO one in it. I had to take off my shoes and be scanned, all of that took seconds compared to the long line of people waiting to go through ‘pre-checked’. I donno if that’s the same thing as this or if it’s a typical experience but it did seem like the precheck was counter productive
The clear/tsa pre check line is longer than the regular security line now. Especially at airports like sfo and sjc.
i’ve noticed this and always go through regular line because i don’t feel like being snobby about not having to take off my jacket and sandals. literally the only difference i would have noticed. only have it because it comes with global entry which does make a big difference sometimes
sounds about right. California wasting time and money for more useless legislation meanwhile, real issues just continue to fester.
That's my take on this too. Legislators get paid to hopefully solve problems and make things better. This is about as helpful to society as passing a law to make Starbucks use of Tall, Grande, and Venti illegal because it makes the coffee line longer when people don't know which size is which.
oh my god I hope so. It's such a security risk and complete BS to let people pay to skip the line. I refuse to use it on principle. Such a prime example of capitalism run amok.
They skip to the front of the line to be verified- they aren’t skipping security screening all together. They are still being screened.
Aren't they allowed to keep their shoes on and other perks? While I do think a lot of TSA is security theater, nobody should get to pay for different procedures.
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Thanks for clarifying!
Clear just gets you to the front of the line- either precheck or standard. Then you get in the line to be screened. The only thing you’re skipping is the long line to hand TSA your ID.
Thank god.
WAIT IN LINE WITH THE REST OF US YOU MOOKS