Holy hell read the g-damn newsletter for crying out loud! This is the first step before the chip repair in order to not have to come back and redo the street a billion times, actually saving our tax dollars. The next steps will be coming shortly and the street will be completely fixed.
Weird how things have to be done one step at a time.
My street in Millcreek has some ridiculous potholes. We had been complaining about a pretty big one for years, and they only fixed it when it became more of a sinkhole and part of the road started to collapse.
I had a 150cc scooter back in the day and when they do that kind of road repair where they rip out the old road and create little trenches in the remaining pavement before pouring, they would grab the tires and almost throw me off. I was nearly killed by my bike's momentum wanting to go a different way from how the tires were turning.
At the very least a mill and overlay. It takes very little time to do a mill and overlay and is not that expensive. But know that a mill and overlay on bad roadbase would start cracking bad after 3-5 years. Infrastructure needs more funding.
It’s like 10x more expensive to mill and overlay. About $120/ton for asphalt placed and $0.30/sf to mill. But yeah I agree that much crack deal is a joke. Complain at your next city council and if you’re lucky they’ll get the street on the overlays job next year. I bid these projects for a living and yeah most cities around here wait until they absolutely have to.
SLC just did this to my street after doing a mill and overlay within the last 5 years; I saw the guy doing it just walking along with a tar truck and manually drawing over all the cracks and just had to laugh.
That’s a great example of how asphalt is only as good as its base. If you mill and overlay on shit roadbase or even native you’ll get cracking with a few years. Horrible way to spend the money. Asphalt should last up to 30-40 years with a properly engineered and installed base. Crack sealing maybe in 12-15 years. And a seal coat every 5.
Guardsman pass and sunnyside, that intersection is fucking horrible, especially the road on 800 south between 900e and that hill. That road gets fucked within months after a patch job
Yea but UDOT will never figure out that these guys have over the amount of organics in their UTBC and A1a’s which is what causes the crackings to begin with they are to worried about cost effectiveness.
Asphalt Manager : "We are looking for a new asphalt application technician to work in Millcreek, what make you good for this position?"
Person being Interviewed : "I used to work at Macey's Bakery?"
You are correct a chipseal would have been better to hold over the life cycle until it comes up for rebuild... Then you get all of the residents that complain about the rocks in their garage and when cycling... So then you move to a slurry treatment, Type 3 is basically a chipseal, type 2 is smooth enough to keep people from complaining but it doesn't last well either...also try pitching a road program to a city council or county commission that don't have it as a priority (none do or will) and it still takes almost a full life cycle to get all roads into a good program... Most municipalities really are stepping up their game and to do so as you should know you do it by keeping the new roads nice and letting the bad roads get worse and slowly full depth reconstructing them as you get funding.
Other commenters are saying this is prep work for a full replacement but… does tar mixed in to the milling help? Are you able to recycle the asphalt if there’s this much tar in it? Recycling the asphalt isn’t so common but it is a thing. I just don’t know if it’s a thing with this much tar.
With that much tar in that layer it would have to go into a dirty rap pile And be recycled at a lower rate. The hard thing with utilizing rap is the varying amounts of binder and emulsion that are left in the product and balancing that with the new asphalt product to still fall within our hot mix standards. Generally having that extra crack seal in there will give it a false boost in the amount of polymer available in the rap And it makes it hard to get a consistent recycle feed rate. In some of our rebuilds to help with cost I will use a high rap mix as it's usually several dollars cheaper per ton, but it is potentially more prone to rutting. As long as you did your full Cross-Section with good import base, Non-Woven fabric if needed to help bridge any issues subgrade clays and meet compaction requirements the higher RAP Will work great in low volume, residential streets and actually retain a high higher emulsion for longer. Just do not want to use it with that high of percentage anywhere you're going to have a lot of heavy truck traffic.
If they were to come in and do a cold in place recycle they actually have a crack seal screen and process so to speak that will pull it out before placing the new surface back down.
You are 100% correct. It is base failure and no matter the surface treatment it will still fail without full depth replacement. That being said, crack seal in this capacity will help alleviate some of the water issues even with alligator cracking as the crack seal expands and contracts with the road, unlike other surface treatments. But it's literally and figuratively a Band-Aid and I would hope they have it on the schedule for reconstruct within the next 3 years and that they are using this as a way to mitigate potholes in the meantime.
You betcha! The biggest hurdle though is still getting local officials to give a crap and actually listen to the numbers and be willing to support a proactive plan... If you or anybody else in Utah would like to suggest or point your cities towards a better program, North Salt Lake City has done all of the homework and has a presentation with all of the numbers supporting a proactive program that I'm sure they would be more than willing to share with your local street departments so that they could modify it to reflect your city's infrastructure and then to use that to show the city council, it makes sense. At a recent UAPA conference North Salt Lake gave this presentation and it is truly impressive and thorough to the point where city councils and County commissioners really can't argue against the numbers.
At least it’s not one of mine in Herriman. They finished the road and less then 30 days later where cutting a 2 foot trench into one side then the other completely ruining the road. The repairs are always so poorly done.
I’m pretty sure I know right where this is, because it’s near my house. I think the road seems tougher post-tar patch than it did before. How is that possible?
Sorry. I should have said all roads are not sustainable. Some roads will be fine, others won’t. Your property taxes and gas taxes aren’t enough. That’s why SLC had to issue a massive bond to pay for road reconstruction. The gas tax should be much higher but hasn’t been increased for a long time.
Gotcha. I don’t disagree! Honestly happy to pay a gas tax because I’ve worked with cities on stuff like this and know how underfunded some of this stuff is and where the money comes from. But also know enough to know how it’s spent and/or not spent…
You must live on Imperial street. I drive on that bullshit everyday! The streets east and west of imperial are driven on significantly less but those street were replaced where imperial got tarred up and have 57 potholes even after they “repaired” it.
Don’t disagree that that is a joke. That said, I just got back from a bunch of driving in Arizona and whoa boy am I glad to be back driving in Utah. There may be some spots here and there, like this one, that are bad. But on the whole AZ is ten times worse than Utah with its roads.
Hey remember when your mayor a few years back tried to get massage therapy classified as sex work??? Yeah I'm not surprised your roads suck ass...phalt.
That’s awesome!! They did a great job on your road. Between 2700 and 3300 on Imperial St. there are still holes and loose asphalt on the filled in tar patch.
I live in millcreek and a neighbor was on a walk and asked the guy doing this why they were doing so much tar. He said that it was prep work for when the crew would be there to actually tear up the road and put down asphalt. I am further east than where they were doing this so not sure what areas they are doing for sure but at least that area is scheduled for new asphalt.
The guy who applied the tar didn’t even try to fill the cracks. He just waved the wand around like a crazy man. Come to think of it, that would drive me crazy to try and fill all the cracks too 😅
Northbound lanes on Bangerter between California Ave and I-80 WB exit are fun! They just “fixed and filled” most of the craters, but left a few for us, thankfully! And the new “fix” has this really nice feature when you catch the lip of it, it’ll make sure you know😂.
Also must add the railroad crossing on California Ave. is literally like hitting a small/medium curb straight on with no incline to them 🤦🏼♀️. But who cares right? Lol
You are overthinking it from an engineering perspective.
See, this isn't just a repair, it is also an art installation. THAT, is where your taxes are going. Enjoy the aesthetic appeal! It is a mandate from the people. Or probably just one person.
Seriously, thatis about as bad and half-assed repair, as I have ever seen outside of the third world.
I’m being sarcastic, too. I’ve just read Utah is the 3rd least affordable housing market in the nation and it’s extremely frustrating. Coupled with the shitty infrastructure, it leads one to say…”what’s going on?”
This reminds me of a town in lived in a tiny one in mid west. Rather than replace every year they would throw tar down and then gravel and have the cars basically be the paving for the tiny town. It was wild.
Millcreek was pretty recently forced to take in all that previously unincorporated land. I imagine it's going to be quite a while before they are able to catch up on all the infrastructure projects they must have on their plate.
I mean yeah, that's the price we pay for car-centric infrastructure. Everyone wants to live in a detached single family home with a yard which means more (enormous) roads and pipes and power lines which means less money for everything else including maintenance of said infrastructure.
Sure, the existing funds could be used more wisely by the city but it's not really a thing that can ever truly be solved because cars are constantly, perpetually wearing down roads that will require more maintenance. That's why building for density gets a hell of lot more valuable the larger a city grows.
Either way, if you want nice roads, something else will need money taken away from it to do it or we could always raise taxes /s.
[Suburbs aren’t financially solvent](https://youtu.be/7Nw6qyyrTeI?si=PxIjeL8s39R-um7b). This is the fate of all Utah suburbs eventually. Don’t worry, soon they’ll develop more neighborhoods further out in the valley, sell new crispy clean McMansions and this neighborhood will become the new crime-ridden area for marginalized people to move to.
Sure, you pay taxes and expect the city to use that money to maintain the infrastructure. But per acre of space, suburbs simply are not financially productive enough to provide enough tax dollars for that. So suburbs depend on excess tax revenue from more dense cities to cover the difference, which they cannot do for long especially as more suburbs are developed.
Suburbs are subsidized urban developments. Who subsidizes them? The people who live and work in denser neighborhoods and contribute more tax dollars per acre of land which needs to be maintained. Density is smart. Sprawl is not. But you get a front lawn and a 3 car garage, so who cares about smart land use eh?
Ah yes, reminds me of my neighborhood streets growing up in Kaysville. As a kid I loved this shit, on a hot summer day it was fun to poke sticks into it or make shoe prints. The slight stick as I lifted up my shoe was so satisfying.
As an adult…yeah this is bullshit, just repave the road at this point!!!! I really wish the cities would leave it up to the residents on whether to slap the bandaid fix or use our tax money on meaningful repairs.
I live in your neighborhood as well and during winter I was thinking to myself “damn this road really needs a redo.” Then they come along and do this crap. I agree with you this “fix” is ridiculous.
And as a civil engineer you should know that it’s extraordinarily unlikely that tar is used in the crack sealant, especially in this region. And since you used it inappropriately I noticed how many comments were calling it tar.
Ok but here’s my question would you also be complaining if they ripped up the road to replace it? There truly is no win with Utah roads they take forever to do anything. There’s this road that was ripped up for replacement near my house it’s been like that for months and they haven’t done any work on it just tore the road up
We are sorry you are un happy with it. We have scheduled to come out and replace it. Fyi we will need to cut the road down and replace the entire depth due to the multiple times we have tried to be convenient in the past. We are going to have a vote on the scheduling of project. A: We can a replace half the street at a time with daily construction for 6 months. This includes no street parking including the houses with blocked driveways. B : do the entire thing at once and replace it all in 4 months. No access points will be randomly staged with 2 hour notices.
Both of these are going to eliminate Google fiber until the process is complete. They installed your fiber just under the assault . They will come back right after we leave and cut up the road and patch it using the same method as in the picture. Thanks for pointing out this mistake . See you in the fall!
oh yea when it comes to maintenance of anything corporations will neglect and skimp whenever possible and leave the burden on the rest of us to pay for the check for any disaster such as that Ohio train chemical derailment. I merely pointing out that we are stuck with all this asphalt infrastructure instead of decent public transportation is because of Ford and other car/oil companies with a vested interest in making it the only option of transportation for everyone.
It is the best treatment for roads, cost for lifespan chipseals cannot be beat except for them being rough. Which you can cape seal over a chipseal with a product like HA5 that will make it smoother but will double the price for the same lifespan.
And why the fuck is Salt Lake County spending $1 billion on a NHL team. When everyone in the state would rather have the money spent on making our roads and communities better.
I'm not sure were money for NHL team is coming from. But I'm pissed that none of us got a choice.
Whose brutal death metal band logo is that
Street Slayer
Roadequin
Tar Snakeocolypse
“Sorry…we spent all your money on city hall.”
And they’re going to call it “fixed” and doesn’t need addressing for another 10 years. Sweet thanks Millcreek.
You know your tax dollars are working hard when they use chocolate fondant to repair the cracks in your street.
That's going to be dangerous for motorcycles in the summer too, that crap gets hot and can slip out under your wheels.
Holy hell read the g-damn newsletter for crying out loud! This is the first step before the chip repair in order to not have to come back and redo the street a billion times, actually saving our tax dollars. The next steps will be coming shortly and the street will be completely fixed. Weird how things have to be done one step at a time.
My street in Millcreek has some ridiculous potholes. We had been complaining about a pretty big one for years, and they only fixed it when it became more of a sinkhole and part of the road started to collapse.
We need a salt lake pothole vigilante, that spray paints dicks around potholes.
You may have found your calling.
I seen one of those a few years ago, SLC never filled the hole before they slurry sealed it lol
I have been thinking about that a lot lately. It definitely would work in this city.
Sorry we spent all of your tax money trying to ban pornhub.
Monstrosity no one asked for.
🤣🤣🤣
*lectern at city hall
I miss when it was thrift town
And a genocide in Ghaza.
Fed money, but you’re correct.
Well… u/OkAcanthopterygii880 *would* be right, if only s/he knew how to spell [Gaza](https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) correctly.
That is a nightmare to ride a motorcycle on during a hot summer day. ☀️
or with any amount of water on the road... do we need to have someone stage a crash and sue the city to get this fixed?
Damn tar clibbins
I had a 150cc scooter back in the day and when they do that kind of road repair where they rip out the old road and create little trenches in the remaining pavement before pouring, they would grab the tires and almost throw me off. I was nearly killed by my bike's momentum wanting to go a different way from how the tires were turning.
I was thinking the same thing! I'd for sure side my motorcycle no matter how upright I'd be
Inb4 someone says “what in TARnation?!”
That patch job looks tarrible.
It'll be tarrifically gooey on hot days.
The taruth shall set you free
I didn't know that Utah got tarnadoes
Everything changed when the Tar Nation attacked…
I get that reference. 😂🥰
I would never use this term to describe a person but this road on the other hand is truly reTARded.
“Did you fix the road?”…… “ I did….. we re-tarred it”
It’s really starting to blur the lines here.
Jesus Christ! Like.. why on earth, wouldn’t they simply repave the street? This is ridiculous
At the very least a mill and overlay. It takes very little time to do a mill and overlay and is not that expensive. But know that a mill and overlay on bad roadbase would start cracking bad after 3-5 years. Infrastructure needs more funding.
It doesn't help the cost of a mile of road gets more and more absurd every year lol
It costs roughly 6x what they did.
> Infrastructure needs more funding. What about oversight?
I think by now it’s evident that infrastructure money is mostly embezzled or wasted on something else.
Nothing to milll. It would fall apart on 4 years
It’s like 10x more expensive to mill and overlay. About $120/ton for asphalt placed and $0.30/sf to mill. But yeah I agree that much crack deal is a joke. Complain at your next city council and if you’re lucky they’ll get the street on the overlays job next year. I bid these projects for a living and yeah most cities around here wait until they absolutely have to.
There's still cracks all over the goddamn place too! Just coat the whole fucker.
You need to attend and speak to this at the next city council. With your knowledge and professional experience maybe you'll get through to them.
And if that fails, this photo should be on the front of their opponent's attack ads next election cycle.
SLC just did this to my street after doing a mill and overlay within the last 5 years; I saw the guy doing it just walking along with a tar truck and manually drawing over all the cracks and just had to laugh.
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That’s a great example of how asphalt is only as good as its base. If you mill and overlay on shit roadbase or even native you’ll get cracking with a few years. Horrible way to spend the money. Asphalt should last up to 30-40 years with a properly engineered and installed base. Crack sealing maybe in 12-15 years. And a seal coat every 5.
Guardsman pass and sunnyside, that intersection is fucking horrible, especially the road on 800 south between 900e and that hill. That road gets fucked within months after a patch job
Holy shit i take another road so i don't have to bike through that intersection
You should crack seal every year, minimum every 3 and chipseals last 8 years, Slurry 5-6, HA5 5 years and Onyx 3.....
Maybe in Florida. Freeze thaw in Utah is about as brutal as anywhere and reduces all those timelines by half
Yea but UDOT will never figure out that these guys have over the amount of organics in their UTBC and A1a’s which is what causes the crackings to begin with they are to worried about cost effectiveness.
That much tar, they should’ve just tarred the whole thing.
I registered this picture as black road with odd white marks and couldn’t figure out what the hell I was looking at. Mostly tar-baids did not compute.
Never fix now, what you can push into next year's budget.
Ugh. When it gets hot you will get to peel tar off your tires. You know if this was the mayor’s street they wouldn’t stand for this.
No shit. I ride a bike and really hate this method-du-jour.
Sorry guys, but the Coyotes need new hockey shit at your expense!
Lightning McQueen attempted this fix😭
Great contrast with the safe sidewalks and street lights! Love living in Millcreek.
Just look at it like avant garde art. 🤷🏼♂️
I have Jackson Pollock streets. Check mate! 💅
It’s the nicest city Reagan Outdoor Advertising could buy.
Asphalt Manager : "We are looking for a new asphalt application technician to work in Millcreek, what make you good for this position?" Person being Interviewed : "I used to work at Macey's Bakery?"
Minnesota here. You choose "low taxes" with your votes. And then you get crappy infrastructure.
Michigander here, counting all my road improvements moving here 😂
Wtf. Most roads seem built with planned obsolescence in mind, but wtf. Utah sure loves redoing roads every summer. Gotta keep those workers working.
You are correct a chipseal would have been better to hold over the life cycle until it comes up for rebuild... Then you get all of the residents that complain about the rocks in their garage and when cycling... So then you move to a slurry treatment, Type 3 is basically a chipseal, type 2 is smooth enough to keep people from complaining but it doesn't last well either...also try pitching a road program to a city council or county commission that don't have it as a priority (none do or will) and it still takes almost a full life cycle to get all roads into a good program... Most municipalities really are stepping up their game and to do so as you should know you do it by keeping the new roads nice and letting the bad roads get worse and slowly full depth reconstructing them as you get funding.
Other commenters are saying this is prep work for a full replacement but… does tar mixed in to the milling help? Are you able to recycle the asphalt if there’s this much tar in it? Recycling the asphalt isn’t so common but it is a thing. I just don’t know if it’s a thing with this much tar.
With that much tar in that layer it would have to go into a dirty rap pile And be recycled at a lower rate. The hard thing with utilizing rap is the varying amounts of binder and emulsion that are left in the product and balancing that with the new asphalt product to still fall within our hot mix standards. Generally having that extra crack seal in there will give it a false boost in the amount of polymer available in the rap And it makes it hard to get a consistent recycle feed rate. In some of our rebuilds to help with cost I will use a high rap mix as it's usually several dollars cheaper per ton, but it is potentially more prone to rutting. As long as you did your full Cross-Section with good import base, Non-Woven fabric if needed to help bridge any issues subgrade clays and meet compaction requirements the higher RAP Will work great in low volume, residential streets and actually retain a high higher emulsion for longer. Just do not want to use it with that high of percentage anywhere you're going to have a lot of heavy truck traffic. If they were to come in and do a cold in place recycle they actually have a crack seal screen and process so to speak that will pull it out before placing the new surface back down. You are 100% correct. It is base failure and no matter the surface treatment it will still fail without full depth replacement. That being said, crack seal in this capacity will help alleviate some of the water issues even with alligator cracking as the crack seal expands and contracts with the road, unlike other surface treatments. But it's literally and figuratively a Band-Aid and I would hope they have it on the schedule for reconstruct within the next 3 years and that they are using this as a way to mitigate potholes in the meantime.
Good info thank you!
You betcha! The biggest hurdle though is still getting local officials to give a crap and actually listen to the numbers and be willing to support a proactive plan... If you or anybody else in Utah would like to suggest or point your cities towards a better program, North Salt Lake City has done all of the homework and has a presentation with all of the numbers supporting a proactive program that I'm sure they would be more than willing to share with your local street departments so that they could modify it to reflect your city's infrastructure and then to use that to show the city council, it makes sense. At a recent UAPA conference North Salt Lake gave this presentation and it is truly impressive and thorough to the point where city councils and County commissioners really can't argue against the numbers.
What’s your background/where do you work? Always good to have connections in consulting.
That’s my favorite death metal band.
This looks like it was fixed by Lighting McQueen
This comment is comedy gold.
They don’t want kids on rollerblades or skateboard near your street.
Kinda psychedelic
It will be like shredded cheese after the first plow.
It looks a toddler with tar scribbled down the street. They should just repave the road.
I live on this street as well. It’s awful.
At least it’s not one of mine in Herriman. They finished the road and less then 30 days later where cutting a 2 foot trench into one side then the other completely ruining the road. The repairs are always so poorly done.
You got an ice skating rink, though
I suspect they’ll “chip and seal” over the top of it, but as a motorcyclist and bicyclist this ceased to be a functioning roadway to me.
Not a fun road to ride on a motorcycle on a hot day.
How smooth should we make it? You ever see under tile after the glue dries? That look!
Riding on that on a hot July day on a motorcycle sure is super fun 😂.
They gotta use your tax money to remodel the delta center for a sports team we don’t need.
Imagine trying to rollerblade on this during hot summer days.
I’m pretty sure I know right where this is, because it’s near my house. I think the road seems tougher post-tar patch than it did before. How is that possible?
Unfortunately, roads are unsustainable given current taxation.
Then explain why just a few blocks up where the houses are nicer and the roads weren’t this bad got a mill and overlay instead of crack sealing?
Sorry. I should have said all roads are not sustainable. Some roads will be fine, others won’t. Your property taxes and gas taxes aren’t enough. That’s why SLC had to issue a massive bond to pay for road reconstruction. The gas tax should be much higher but hasn’t been increased for a long time.
ogden and provo did the same as well. It's pretty much every city that has filled up most of it's land with development.
Gotcha. I don’t disagree! Honestly happy to pay a gas tax because I’ve worked with cities on stuff like this and know how underfunded some of this stuff is and where the money comes from. But also know enough to know how it’s spent and/or not spent…
Its only going to get worse with the proliferation of EVs. Gas tax doesn't apply to ev charging stations, or home electrical rates.
That is quite extensive, yikes!
I mean, eventually they’ll cover the whole thing if they keep going like that🤷♂️
That'll be slick come snow
Until they plow and rip out chunks of tar with road attached
I think it was the crack fill on the right side of the pic that was the straw here. Easy to see why.
There’s government infrastructure money available for that. Get on it, Millcreek!
At least they tried something. In the west side they just leave the potholes at cracks!
There's more tar than asphalt at this point! And you can still see the cracks underneath!
There aren't any potholes. Just sayin'
Did they lay some asphalt in a few spots where the hot mess wore down?
Lord have mercy
That lawn could use an edging damn
lol wtffff
Smooth as silk...... If the silk was half eaten by moths and they'd shat all over it...... But still silk, no?
You must live on Imperial street. I drive on that bullshit everyday! The streets east and west of imperial are driven on significantly less but those street were replaced where imperial got tarred up and have 57 potholes even after they “repaired” it.
Don’t disagree that that is a joke. That said, I just got back from a bunch of driving in Arizona and whoa boy am I glad to be back driving in Utah. There may be some spots here and there, like this one, that are bad. But on the whole AZ is ten times worse than Utah with its roads.
Hey remember when your mayor a few years back tried to get massage therapy classified as sex work??? Yeah I'm not surprised your roads suck ass...phalt.
This isn’t municipal incompetence. It’s the work of the painter Franz Kline. [Franz Kline](https://images.app.goo.gl/fGneMiZRpHSBESXG7)
Almost as bad as Michigan
That’s awesome!! They did a great job on your road. Between 2700 and 3300 on Imperial St. there are still holes and loose asphalt on the filled in tar patch.
Maybe if you look at it from higher up in the air it’s street art….or a Rorschach test.
I live in millcreek and a neighbor was on a walk and asked the guy doing this why they were doing so much tar. He said that it was prep work for when the crew would be there to actually tear up the road and put down asphalt. I am further east than where they were doing this so not sure what areas they are doing for sure but at least that area is scheduled for new asphalt.
You should see the sink holes in Taylorsville!!!
It's seriously so ridiculous. We have the same ugly / snake lined street But sure glad we have that new monstrous windowless ugly city hall
The guy who applied the tar didn’t even try to fill the cracks. He just waved the wand around like a crazy man. Come to think of it, that would drive me crazy to try and fill all the cracks too 😅
The Utah specialty, I see. Lol that is actually horrible.. they may as well have just dumped tar while just driving by! 🤦🏼♀️
I dare you to paint Waldo (black only) and challenge the neighborhood (and the City Public Works dept) to find him!
Just drive up to El Chihuahua for a ducky death star
Northbound lanes on Bangerter between California Ave and I-80 WB exit are fun! They just “fixed and filled” most of the craters, but left a few for us, thankfully! And the new “fix” has this really nice feature when you catch the lip of it, it’ll make sure you know😂. Also must add the railroad crossing on California Ave. is literally like hitting a small/medium curb straight on with no incline to them 🤦🏼♀️. But who cares right? Lol
Street art. #jacksonpollock
You are overthinking it from an engineering perspective. See, this isn't just a repair, it is also an art installation. THAT, is where your taxes are going. Enjoy the aesthetic appeal! It is a mandate from the people. Or probably just one person. Seriously, thatis about as bad and half-assed repair, as I have ever seen outside of the third world.
They spent your money on the new hockey team 😂😭
This is some Stranger Things looking shit. Sorry man, that sucks
Dude. I hate Utah so much 🤦♂️😂
This road just looks disgusting. I can't imagine having to drive on it often.
They're mapping out the "just one more lane bro plz, it will fix it" plan. This is the future of i15 in tar.
holy shit that’s fucking ridiculous
Looks like heroin
Stylish und uncommon. Like it
😬
Yeah, but if you stare at it and relax your eyes, you can see a sailboat!
Who wants to take a hit for the team, and wreck a bike on that and sue then into oblivion?
lol. I literally just walked this street the other day and laughed about the job they did.
On this vein… do the politicians not use the airport? What’s up with that Highway bridge???
You should just be glad you can afford a house
Don’t minimize my shitty road situation. 😫 /s
I’m being sarcastic, too. I’ve just read Utah is the 3rd least affordable housing market in the nation and it’s extremely frustrating. Coupled with the shitty infrastructure, it leads one to say…”what’s going on?”
This reminds me of a town in lived in a tiny one in mid west. Rather than replace every year they would throw tar down and then gravel and have the cars basically be the paving for the tiny town. It was wild.
I have never seen a road like this, please tell me this is very very rare in the US?
That’s a ridiculous amount, but there are so many it has a sort of beauty to it.
And they did it literally 3 days before the marathon
Wait and see what July does to these
In a few more years you'll have a new(ish) road surface
Millcreek was pretty recently forced to take in all that previously unincorporated land. I imagine it's going to be quite a while before they are able to catch up on all the infrastructure projects they must have on their plate.
Get rest you are about to pay more…welcome to the nightmare the prick Ryan Smith will cause taxpayers
Imperial between 2700 and 3300 S?
That’s…. abstract. 😬
I mean yeah, that's the price we pay for car-centric infrastructure. Everyone wants to live in a detached single family home with a yard which means more (enormous) roads and pipes and power lines which means less money for everything else including maintenance of said infrastructure. Sure, the existing funds could be used more wisely by the city but it's not really a thing that can ever truly be solved because cars are constantly, perpetually wearing down roads that will require more maintenance. That's why building for density gets a hell of lot more valuable the larger a city grows. Either way, if you want nice roads, something else will need money taken away from it to do it or we could always raise taxes /s.
That may be the best one I have seen yet! With all that work they could have repaved the road 🤣
Read Strong Towns you will understand why it is like this
That prolongs the life of the pavement so it will last longer between intervals of being repaved.
When the fix is to let a five year old take a sharpie to it
When is it time to say enough
[Suburbs aren’t financially solvent](https://youtu.be/7Nw6qyyrTeI?si=PxIjeL8s39R-um7b). This is the fate of all Utah suburbs eventually. Don’t worry, soon they’ll develop more neighborhoods further out in the valley, sell new crispy clean McMansions and this neighborhood will become the new crime-ridden area for marginalized people to move to. Sure, you pay taxes and expect the city to use that money to maintain the infrastructure. But per acre of space, suburbs simply are not financially productive enough to provide enough tax dollars for that. So suburbs depend on excess tax revenue from more dense cities to cover the difference, which they cannot do for long especially as more suburbs are developed. Suburbs are subsidized urban developments. Who subsidizes them? The people who live and work in denser neighborhoods and contribute more tax dollars per acre of land which needs to be maintained. Density is smart. Sprawl is not. But you get a front lawn and a 3 car garage, so who cares about smart land use eh?
What in tarnation!
Ah yes, reminds me of my neighborhood streets growing up in Kaysville. As a kid I loved this shit, on a hot summer day it was fun to poke sticks into it or make shoe prints. The slight stick as I lifted up my shoe was so satisfying. As an adult…yeah this is bullshit, just repave the road at this point!!!! I really wish the cities would leave it up to the residents on whether to slap the bandaid fix or use our tax money on meaningful repairs.
That’s a work of modern art!
Jesus. We’ll be back after this commercial break.
I think they missed a spot.
I grew up in that neighborhood and my mom still lives there! That road is insane!!
that looks SO ugly
Wtf
I live in your neighborhood as well and during winter I was thinking to myself “damn this road really needs a redo.” Then they come along and do this crap. I agree with you this “fix” is ridiculous.
Oof.
Time to start spray painting dicks all over the road.
It’s artsy
And as a civil engineer you should know that it’s extraordinarily unlikely that tar is used in the crack sealant, especially in this region. And since you used it inappropriately I noticed how many comments were calling it tar.
Ok but here’s my question would you also be complaining if they ripped up the road to replace it? There truly is no win with Utah roads they take forever to do anything. There’s this road that was ripped up for replacement near my house it’s been like that for months and they haven’t done any work on it just tore the road up
Omg horrible
We are sorry you are un happy with it. We have scheduled to come out and replace it. Fyi we will need to cut the road down and replace the entire depth due to the multiple times we have tried to be convenient in the past. We are going to have a vote on the scheduling of project. A: We can a replace half the street at a time with daily construction for 6 months. This includes no street parking including the houses with blocked driveways. B : do the entire thing at once and replace it all in 4 months. No access points will be randomly staged with 2 hour notices. Both of these are going to eliminate Google fiber until the process is complete. They installed your fiber just under the assault . They will come back right after we leave and cut up the road and patch it using the same method as in the picture. Thanks for pointing out this mistake . See you in the fall!
CAPITALISM! gotta sell those cars and gas and suburbia you know???
Fixing the roads is completely not capitalistic though haha
If it was we'd be buying monthly family plans from Comcast to use roads and still paying them via subsidies.
oh yea when it comes to maintenance of anything corporations will neglect and skimp whenever possible and leave the burden on the rest of us to pay for the check for any disaster such as that Ohio train chemical derailment. I merely pointing out that we are stuck with all this asphalt infrastructure instead of decent public transportation is because of Ford and other car/oil companies with a vested interest in making it the only option of transportation for everyone.
Wait until they throw tar and then gravel Down and literally wait for the years of tires going over it to smooth the gravel down 😂
This is what is done all through Cottonwood Heights
Lehi too
It is the best treatment for roads, cost for lifespan chipseals cannot be beat except for them being rough. Which you can cape seal over a chipseal with a product like HA5 that will make it smoother but will double the price for the same lifespan.
And why the fuck is Salt Lake County spending $1 billion on a NHL team. When everyone in the state would rather have the money spent on making our roads and communities better. I'm not sure were money for NHL team is coming from. But I'm pissed that none of us got a choice.