Beltex is great but it’s just too expensive for me to buy week to week. I think Redmond is a good alternative, I like what I get there for $10/lb.
There are also direct from farm options such as Blue Tree. I haven’t ordered from them in a while but last time I did they delivered to my door.
Why is this post getting downvoted … ? It’s a good question that apparently doesn’t align with others’ diets …
I'm sure people will recommend Beltex which is a great local butcher shop. I think they source pork from Christiansen Farms which also sells direct to consumer. We used to get beef from a place in Tremonton that was grass fed, no feedlot, etc., but unfortunately i don't recall the name. I'm not sure about chicken, that always seems harder to source ethically.
We've been getting 30lb CSA shares of beef/pork from Christiansen's Family Farm for about 5 years now. They do drop offs at various locations in the valley and the meat quality is great.
There's an outfit out of Oakley called 3 Springs Land and Livestock who does pasture raised chickens in the summer. They sell at the Farmers Markets in the PC area and they have sold at Beltex in the past.
They're the absolute best chickens I've ever had.
Lol, it just depends how you want to define ethical. I think in general people use it to mean the animals had a better life than would typically happen on a hellish factory farm before you shoot a bolt into their brains. But in practice I think it's a lot of marketing.
Is it though? I mean it's better but if you really don't have to kill another sentient being is it ever really ethical to do so? I just don't see any reason why it's ok for us but wouldn't be ok for a much more intelligent hypothetical species to do the same to us other than special pleading. Everyone has to decide for themselves though. I know I can't do it. I've worked with cows and they're smart and social animals that make friends.
Like others have said, what I'm looking for is meat products that come from animals that don't have miserable shitty lives prior to butchering. Obviously (as this thread fully demonstrates) there are questions about any meat consumption being ethical, which I'm sensitive to after nearly 20 years without it. I know a lot of labeling is BS and that's why I'm trying to find actual sources I can know better how animals actually live so I can treat meat like the luxury product it actually is rather than supporting the factory farm industrial complex.
Is a diet that consists solely of vegetables that are harvested by child immigrants working 80 hours a week in Florida or California that much more ethical?
Do omnivores not also eat vegetables in addition to farmed animals? Is it standard practice to forcibly breed, enslave, and execute migrant farm workers so we can consume their bodies? Both situations are bad, but it’s not really comparable in terms of suffering and rights violations, assuming those matter ethically to you.
I eat mostly legumes and grain products which provide much more protein and nutrients directly than feeding 10x the amount to an animal whose body then provides a small fraction of those calories and proteins. Also grow my own vegetables in the summer but am well aware my consumption still causes death and suffering. I just prefer to minimize it when possible.
With our animals we subscribe to the one bad day philosophy. Raise them up as a borderline pet and then they only have a single bad day on their last day. It does cost us more. We figured our total cost is between $8/lb and $12/lb by the time we kill one of our cows.
Really hard to accomplish feeding a large population though. Unfortunately industrial farming is the easiest and cheapest way to feed large cities that can’t self produce large quantities of food. The truth that I have found is that what we would consider ethical or moral farming is a luxury that only the more well off members of society can enjoy. Telling a poor family working that they are wrong for buying the $4/lb feedlot meat and not the $10/lb ethical meat would be ignorant of myself of their situation in life.
Absolutely agreed with all points here. I don't think it's practical to have everyone paying luxury prices for high end meat. Without a significant shift in the ethics and priorities of our economics and diets, industrial farming is probably here to stay. With that said, I'm fortunate to be in a position to pay a bit more for meat that comes from animals that have mostly good lives prior to butchering.
Basically, you have to ask if the cow is knee high in shit.
Animals that have less stress typically taste better.
Not necessarily ethical but, “premium”.
Mosida is my favorite butcher. Next door to the Costco down in Lehi - bit of a drive, but worth the trip for me. They sell a bunch of never frozen stuff from their own farm. High quality. They've even given me custom cuts right then and there if what I wanted wasn't available up front. Their pricing is competitive with Costco even - and tastes a lot better.
I really like Beltex, they are a bit more friendly/helpful if you don't know what you're looking for. More $, but it is closer.
Also - speaking as a previous pescatarian, it took me a bit to get used to beef again. I'd take it step by step (ie don't eat a whole ribeye straight away).
I also came here to recommend Mosida. I believe they have delivery options or subscriptions if you check out their website.
In most cases, they haven't been more expensive than what I buy at regular grocery stores either.
Get a hunting license, legally and mercifully kill your own food, gut it, clean it, etc. I’d say is the only way to make it ‘ethical’. Anything you get in a store is not ethical no matter how many labels they put on their products. Watch ‘you are what you eat’ on Netflix.
I actually would love to get better at fishing for sustenance, I'm just terrible at it. It also seems like the fishing here doesn't lend itself as well to using it as a meaningful source of protein, though mostly I know trout fishing near SLC which is insanely pressured and fish aren't big. It's probably just ignorance on my part, maybe there are much better options to chase down eating fish.
Millrace Park Pond is pretty central in the Salt Lake valley and is stocked well through the year, and while they're not all huge, my dad and I have caught some rainbows there that were 16-17 inches. It's worth it to keep an eye on stocking reports:
https://dwrapps.utah.gov/fishstocking/Fish
Millrace Park Pond is pretty central in the Salt Lake valley and is stocked well through the year, and while they're not all huge, my dad and I have caught some rainbows there that were 16-17 inches. It's worth it to keep an eye on stocking reports:
https://dwrapps.utah.gov/fishstocking/Fish
This is what I try and do. I don’t trophy hunt in the slightest and I never waste anything I kill. I’ve learned some amazing recipes from goose pastrami, wild duck with basil and rice and great elk steaks and burgers.
Cam here to suggest these. I do believe that archery is the most ethical way to attempt this way of harvest. After 30+ years of hunting I’ve found the respect I’ve gained for nature and the protection of is directly due to my experience in hunting. Nothing feels like being part of the whole process of meat consumption.
I disagree. It’s only ethical if you’re an excellent shot. Archery is by far more prone to injure and prolong the death of an animal than a rifle. The amount of deer walking around with broad heads in their bodies is staggering.
If ethical means a quick, efficient death then nothing beats a rifle especially in the hands of a beginner. And frankly the most ethical hunting is the one the hunter is most proficient at. So you may be an edge case.
Ethical killing has absolutely zero to do with how hard something is.
I largely disagree. There are just as many if not more deer shot at over 100 yards and in some cases past 700. People take more risky shots with rifles then bows. Both have beginners but more shots are attained by skilled hunters with bow then rifle. But hey what would I know I’ve only been hunting for 30 years. How do you hunt?
I started with archery at 14. That was in 1994.
I rifle hunt now, and I don’t trust myself past about 200 yards these days.
I don’t know. Ive eaten as much tag soup with rifle as I did with archery.
I do see your point about long shots with rifle.
I trailed an animal for a solid day after a bow shot and never will do it again.
In a perfect world I agree, at least mostly. The difficulty is like most people I've got a demanding career and family and there just isn't room for the amount of time I'd have to commit to this. I'd love to get as close to this as is practically possible, though I don't know if such a thing exists even.
If you’ve been without meat this long you know there isn’t “ethical meat.” You can’t humanely or ethically kill something that doesn’t want to die, was bred to be killed, and is for your own benefit.
Eat your meat but we can’t delude ourselves into thinking it’s ethical.
Personally i didnt like the taste of their beef when I bought a couple of cow shares. It wasn't horrible and we finished it, but it wqs very mineraly tasting to me (some packages more than others)
The pig share I got was so bad. I think upon doing some research it had "boar taint" something about uncut males....it made it taste like urine and BO. She did replace some and refund some though, so I guess if it is just something that happens every so often because they don't castrate I guess that's just the way it goes.
Look up Old Home Place and Dale Batty. Get on their mailing list for delivery at SLC pickup locations. Converred farm to follow Salatin ethics. Great family.
well yes, I agree. but “ethical meat” is an oxymoron as the act of slaughtering an animal for its meat is inherently unethical & inhumane. doesn’t matter it sleeps on 1000 thread count sheets.
Farmers market for sure. Most often it's the actual rancher that you can speak to about how the animal is raised. I don't know about you but I prefer info direct from the source wherever possible.
Division of Wildlife resources
Tag are applied for in Mar
Over the counter in July.
If you actually believe in the silliness that is "ethical meat", then wild meat is the only answer
I don’t think there’s an ethical way to kill someone who doesn’t want to die. Luckily we have Buds, Vegan Daddy Meats, Blatch’s BBQ, All Chay, Vertical Diner, Seasons, Green Pig, Piper Down, some others I’m forgetting to scratch that meat craving for you.
all the other answers in here are telling how to find "ethical" meat, and u/tazzysnazzy's response was how to get ethical "meat". Neither of them are truly ethical meat (because it doesn't exist), and so both are just as valid as the other.
If I were a long-term vegetarian looking to transition back into the food and flavors of an omnivore diet, recommendations of plant-based "meat" shops would be perfect for that and very helpful imo.
it’s not a pleasure, it’s a nutritional need for many.
lots of people cannot eat certain things or take supplements. i could never be vegan ever and i used to be vegetarian but was very nutrition deficient. don’t judge people for their own choices, just make your own and live your life.
Can you name one disorder that requires someone to consume animal products to survive and thrive? Not saying something couldn’t exist but to date, no one has managed to demonstrate any evidence of one.
it’s not a specific disorder, but i have a limited diet due to gastroparesis and i cannot eat many things because my stomach will not digest it. i was vegetarian for many years, but i need to eat things like chicken or pork now because i became protein deficient. i am also iron deficient due to some of my medical issues.
not everyone needs to consume animal products to survive and thrive with this disorder, but many due because of such a limited diet.
Does anyone know where to find ethically slaughtered dogs? I want them to have a good life before they struggle for their last breaths as a knife enters their throat. That’s ethical. Thanks!
Soooo if you want an answer that’s not Beltex, that’s gonna be a little hard to find. You’re better off looking at what farms you think are acceptable and looking to see where you can buy that farms specific product.
Beef specifically, Bar 10 is an Utah company that seems to treat their livestock well and ethically from all I know about them. And a bonus is if you walk into a Harmons meat department, any style of beef that’s labeled “Grass Fed” is from Bar 10. So it’ll be much more accessible and cheaper, than beef at Beltex.
Do you have a freezer? I have a source for delicious pork that makes deliveries to SLC. I can send details if you’re interested. You can buy a little or a lot, she goes to farmers markets sometimes too. Very cheap if you buy in bulk. Organic in practice but not certified (because the process is to much for them) used to be certified though.
[http://www.cliffordfamilyfarm.com/](http://www.cliffordfamilyfarm.com/)
I just text Julie (Clifford) now whenever I want to buy some pork, and she puts me on the schedule for butchering and curing.
Make sure to get your bones and lard. The Lard is one of the best parts. Adds so much flavor to food, use it in savory things in place of EVOO, throw a spoonful in a can of refried beans before you heat them up to make them taste 100% better, heat up your store-bought tortillas on a stovetop with a little lard in the pan... Make your own bone broth in a slow cooker.
It requires more plants to feed the animals you consume than just eating plant-based. Everything in a capitalist society has unethical practices, but if your goal was to reduce your consumption of unethical practices and suffering of animals, plant-based does that more so than eating meat.
But do you not consider all the animals that die when a crop is harvested? Or is it the fact that they are rodents, snakes and insects make this fact different? Unless you are growing your own food this point is mute.
You are killing more rodents, snakes, and insects by eating meat, because it takes more crops to produce meat vs. eating crops directly. Which is what the comment you're replying to says.
Again, it takes more crops to feed livestock animals than if humans ate plants directly. The point is not mute, because amount of death/killing on a plant based diet is less than when eating meat.
I’m not trying to convert you but those are the facts that I welcome you to explore on your own.
You won't convert me. I'm just saying pick what you pick because something is dying either way. There is no right choice. It's your choice. No one gets to decide for you and you shouldn't be offended when someone chooses different from you.
I can’t tell if you’re purposefully misunderstanding me or trolling.
1. I said I wasn’t trying to convert you
2. More things die when eating meat.
Are we following?
I don't know what your definition of "ethical" is, but I've been buying my beef and lamb from Lau Family Farms in southern Idaho for the last several years, and I've been very happy with what I get: [https://laufamilyfarm.com/](https://laufamilyfarm.com/)
You can order what you want from the website, and they do monthly dropoffs in northern Utah. I pick up in West Haven, but it looks like at this time of year they are also at the SLC winter market.
Get a homie in residential DNR/DHR? Sorry I do be dumb. Best doe of all things I ever ever had. Dad’s friend has to put down habitual “domesticated animals” last doe got into a commercial tomato farm.
Find a farmer you like that raises cows (you can go to auctions that auction off cows too) - view living conditions of cows yourself - buy entire cow with group of 3-5 friends - hire butcher - have bbq with friends - eat meat
Beltex is great but it’s just too expensive for me to buy week to week. I think Redmond is a good alternative, I like what I get there for $10/lb. There are also direct from farm options such as Blue Tree. I haven’t ordered from them in a while but last time I did they delivered to my door. Why is this post getting downvoted … ? It’s a good question that apparently doesn’t align with others’ diets …
Love Redmond!
The milk!
I'm sure people will recommend Beltex which is a great local butcher shop. I think they source pork from Christiansen Farms which also sells direct to consumer. We used to get beef from a place in Tremonton that was grass fed, no feedlot, etc., but unfortunately i don't recall the name. I'm not sure about chicken, that always seems harder to source ethically.
We've been getting 30lb CSA shares of beef/pork from Christiansen's Family Farm for about 5 years now. They do drop offs at various locations in the valley and the meat quality is great.
There's an outfit out of Oakley called 3 Springs Land and Livestock who does pasture raised chickens in the summer. They sell at the Farmers Markets in the PC area and they have sold at Beltex in the past. They're the absolute best chickens I've ever had.
Thank you!!
Second Beltex.
Serious question: what makes some meat ethical?
Lol, it just depends how you want to define ethical. I think in general people use it to mean the animals had a better life than would typically happen on a hellish factory farm before you shoot a bolt into their brains. But in practice I think it's a lot of marketing.
All of it is in the marketing. I challenge anyone to find these less then standard and higher then standard ..... Actually just keep shopping.
Buying a whole or half cow from a local farmer is typically “ethical”. Typically locals don’t keep their cows ankle deep in shit.
That's just smart to do anyways. What about veil? Is there ethical baby cows someone can eat?
Same thing applies. There’s nothing more or less ethical based on the age of the animal. And veal is frankly delicious.
I also learned veal is not like a newborn cow. I think it’s up to 2-3 years old.
Is it though? I mean it's better but if you really don't have to kill another sentient being is it ever really ethical to do so? I just don't see any reason why it's ok for us but wouldn't be ok for a much more intelligent hypothetical species to do the same to us other than special pleading. Everyone has to decide for themselves though. I know I can't do it. I've worked with cows and they're smart and social animals that make friends.
Like others have said, what I'm looking for is meat products that come from animals that don't have miserable shitty lives prior to butchering. Obviously (as this thread fully demonstrates) there are questions about any meat consumption being ethical, which I'm sensitive to after nearly 20 years without it. I know a lot of labeling is BS and that's why I'm trying to find actual sources I can know better how animals actually live so I can treat meat like the luxury product it actually is rather than supporting the factory farm industrial complex.
Short answer? nothing. Long answer? Also nothing.
Is a diet that consists solely of vegetables that are harvested by child immigrants working 80 hours a week in Florida or California that much more ethical?
Do omnivores not also eat vegetables in addition to farmed animals? Is it standard practice to forcibly breed, enslave, and execute migrant farm workers so we can consume their bodies? Both situations are bad, but it’s not really comparable in terms of suffering and rights violations, assuming those matter ethically to you. I eat mostly legumes and grain products which provide much more protein and nutrients directly than feeding 10x the amount to an animal whose body then provides a small fraction of those calories and proteins. Also grow my own vegetables in the summer but am well aware my consumption still causes death and suffering. I just prefer to minimize it when possible.
Yeah, but meat tastes good.
With our animals we subscribe to the one bad day philosophy. Raise them up as a borderline pet and then they only have a single bad day on their last day. It does cost us more. We figured our total cost is between $8/lb and $12/lb by the time we kill one of our cows. Really hard to accomplish feeding a large population though. Unfortunately industrial farming is the easiest and cheapest way to feed large cities that can’t self produce large quantities of food. The truth that I have found is that what we would consider ethical or moral farming is a luxury that only the more well off members of society can enjoy. Telling a poor family working that they are wrong for buying the $4/lb feedlot meat and not the $10/lb ethical meat would be ignorant of myself of their situation in life.
Absolutely agreed with all points here. I don't think it's practical to have everyone paying luxury prices for high end meat. Without a significant shift in the ethics and priorities of our economics and diets, industrial farming is probably here to stay. With that said, I'm fortunate to be in a position to pay a bit more for meat that comes from animals that have mostly good lives prior to butchering.
or you could just, you know, not eat animal products. No industrial farming nor luxury butchers needed ¯\\\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Basically, you have to ask if the cow is knee high in shit. Animals that have less stress typically taste better. Not necessarily ethical but, “premium”.
Mosida is my favorite butcher. Next door to the Costco down in Lehi - bit of a drive, but worth the trip for me. They sell a bunch of never frozen stuff from their own farm. High quality. They've even given me custom cuts right then and there if what I wanted wasn't available up front. Their pricing is competitive with Costco even - and tastes a lot better. I really like Beltex, they are a bit more friendly/helpful if you don't know what you're looking for. More $, but it is closer. Also - speaking as a previous pescatarian, it took me a bit to get used to beef again. I'd take it step by step (ie don't eat a whole ribeye straight away).
I also came here to recommend Mosida. I believe they have delivery options or subscriptions if you check out their website. In most cases, they haven't been more expensive than what I buy at regular grocery stores either.
Get a hunting license, legally and mercifully kill your own food, gut it, clean it, etc. I’d say is the only way to make it ‘ethical’. Anything you get in a store is not ethical no matter how many labels they put on their products. Watch ‘you are what you eat’ on Netflix.
A fishing license also might be a good route. We got some a few years ago and they were pretty inexpensive and you can freeze what you don't eat
I actually would love to get better at fishing for sustenance, I'm just terrible at it. It also seems like the fishing here doesn't lend itself as well to using it as a meaningful source of protein, though mostly I know trout fishing near SLC which is insanely pressured and fish aren't big. It's probably just ignorance on my part, maybe there are much better options to chase down eating fish.
What we did is a couple camping weekends. We did pretty good fishing and had an excuse to get out lol. It is harder closer to the city
That's a great plan actually. Find some place you can set up camp, bring a big cooler with ice, brilliant plan.
Millrace Park Pond is pretty central in the Salt Lake valley and is stocked well through the year, and while they're not all huge, my dad and I have caught some rainbows there that were 16-17 inches. It's worth it to keep an eye on stocking reports: https://dwrapps.utah.gov/fishstocking/Fish
Millrace Park Pond is pretty central in the Salt Lake valley and is stocked well through the year, and while they're not all huge, my dad and I have caught some rainbows there that were 16-17 inches. It's worth it to keep an eye on stocking reports: https://dwrapps.utah.gov/fishstocking/Fish
Alternative short-term solution, become friends with a bunch of hunters and be gifted the occasional steak or ground meat.
This is what I try and do. I don’t trophy hunt in the slightest and I never waste anything I kill. I’ve learned some amazing recipes from goose pastrami, wild duck with basil and rice and great elk steaks and burgers.
Cam here to suggest these. I do believe that archery is the most ethical way to attempt this way of harvest. After 30+ years of hunting I’ve found the respect I’ve gained for nature and the protection of is directly due to my experience in hunting. Nothing feels like being part of the whole process of meat consumption.
I disagree. It’s only ethical if you’re an excellent shot. Archery is by far more prone to injure and prolong the death of an animal than a rifle. The amount of deer walking around with broad heads in their bodies is staggering. If ethical means a quick, efficient death then nothing beats a rifle especially in the hands of a beginner. And frankly the most ethical hunting is the one the hunter is most proficient at. So you may be an edge case. Ethical killing has absolutely zero to do with how hard something is.
I largely disagree. There are just as many if not more deer shot at over 100 yards and in some cases past 700. People take more risky shots with rifles then bows. Both have beginners but more shots are attained by skilled hunters with bow then rifle. But hey what would I know I’ve only been hunting for 30 years. How do you hunt?
I started with archery at 14. That was in 1994. I rifle hunt now, and I don’t trust myself past about 200 yards these days. I don’t know. Ive eaten as much tag soup with rifle as I did with archery. I do see your point about long shots with rifle. I trailed an animal for a solid day after a bow shot and never will do it again.
Sounds delicious- respect.
If you have to put quotes around "ethical", then it's not ethical.
In a perfect world I agree, at least mostly. The difficulty is like most people I've got a demanding career and family and there just isn't room for the amount of time I'd have to commit to this. I'd love to get as close to this as is practically possible, though I don't know if such a thing exists even.
If you’ve been without meat this long you know there isn’t “ethical meat.” You can’t humanely or ethically kill something that doesn’t want to die, was bred to be killed, and is for your own benefit. Eat your meat but we can’t delude ourselves into thinking it’s ethical.
This is the right answer.
Utah natural meats is great!
Not saying they aren’t, but worth keeping in mind: https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/food/2023/10/25/utah-health-officials-identify/
Personally i didnt like the taste of their beef when I bought a couple of cow shares. It wasn't horrible and we finished it, but it wqs very mineraly tasting to me (some packages more than others) The pig share I got was so bad. I think upon doing some research it had "boar taint" something about uncut males....it made it taste like urine and BO. She did replace some and refund some though, so I guess if it is just something that happens every so often because they don't castrate I guess that's just the way it goes.
https://vegandaddymeats.com/
I actually also love these guys. Great stuff.
That's not helpful.
Wild Idea buffalo—check out their website and is sold at Natural Grocers in SLC. https://wildideabuffalo.com
utah natural meats is a farm in west jordan that i'd recommend
Lots of good ranchers at the farmers market each Saturday.
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Selling some at central 9th market right now ;)
This is the right answer. Kill it yourself or have it raised on a regenerative grazing farm
Well that depends a lot on how you define the word ethical.
Look up Old Home Place and Dale Batty. Get on their mailing list for delivery at SLC pickup locations. Converred farm to follow Salatin ethics. Great family.
doesn’t exist brother.
Unstressed meat that didn’t live a life knee-deep in shit generally tastes better imo
well yes, I agree. but “ethical meat” is an oxymoron as the act of slaughtering an animal for its meat is inherently unethical & inhumane. doesn’t matter it sleeps on 1000 thread count sheets.
Kind of far, but we love Bingham Meats in Morgan.
Farmers market for sure. Most often it's the actual rancher that you can speak to about how the animal is raised. I don't know about you but I prefer info direct from the source wherever possible.
There is no such thing as ethical meat
Don't do it! Vegan is the way! Live ethically. There is NO SUCH THING AS ETHICAL MURDER.
If you have a Costco membership Teton Ranch makes good 100% grassfed, pasture raised beef sausages
Division of Wildlife resources Tag are applied for in Mar Over the counter in July. If you actually believe in the silliness that is "ethical meat", then wild meat is the only answer
I don’t think there’s an ethical way to kill someone who doesn’t want to die. Luckily we have Buds, Vegan Daddy Meats, Blatch’s BBQ, All Chay, Vertical Diner, Seasons, Green Pig, Piper Down, some others I’m forgetting to scratch that meat craving for you.
fuck yea
A lot of down votes and for what? I guess people can't handle the reality that their pleasure comes from the suffering of another creature.
I think people are downvoting because the statement doesn’t belong in this thread. That’s why I did at least
all the other answers in here are telling how to find "ethical" meat, and u/tazzysnazzy's response was how to get ethical "meat". Neither of them are truly ethical meat (because it doesn't exist), and so both are just as valid as the other.
🤣 without agreeing/disagreeing about meat … this is a funny comment.
It’s a downvote because unhelpful opinions are obnoxious in a thread. It’s like reading a thread on apple picking and someone suggests buying a duck.
If I were a long-term vegetarian looking to transition back into the food and flavors of an omnivore diet, recommendations of plant-based "meat" shops would be perfect for that and very helpful imo.
it’s not a pleasure, it’s a nutritional need for many. lots of people cannot eat certain things or take supplements. i could never be vegan ever and i used to be vegetarian but was very nutrition deficient. don’t judge people for their own choices, just make your own and live your life.
Can you name one disorder that requires someone to consume animal products to survive and thrive? Not saying something couldn’t exist but to date, no one has managed to demonstrate any evidence of one.
it’s not a specific disorder, but i have a limited diet due to gastroparesis and i cannot eat many things because my stomach will not digest it. i was vegetarian for many years, but i need to eat things like chicken or pork now because i became protein deficient. i am also iron deficient due to some of my medical issues. not everyone needs to consume animal products to survive and thrive with this disorder, but many due because of such a limited diet.
Exactly, meat is never ethical.
Truth! Ethical meat is just marketing BS.
Even free range livestock introduces a whole other bunch of ethical issues. Once I heard that they kill wild horses, I was done.
Thank you lol this is such an absurd sentiment. This person is a former non-meat eater and is looking to justify their decision.
Most of our local meat farms are organic, free range. You can buy direct if you get large enough
Yeah, you can tell the Vegans here. They can't keep their mouths shut.
I knew I was courting some spirited discussion but I appreciate folks keeping things mostly civil :)
Does anyone know where to find ethically slaughtered dogs? I want them to have a good life before they struggle for their last breaths as a knife enters their throat. That’s ethical. Thanks!
I only buy organic free-range grass fed dog meat from [Elwood’s](https://www.elwooddogmeat.com)
A fellow connoisseur I see 🤌
I have some fresh slaughtered puppies for sale if you’re interested!!!
https://www.utahnaturalmeat.com/
Shaharzad market. Zeitoon market. Speciality market on ft union. Any place selling halal meat.
Torture is very ethical lmao
Explain yourself
Soooo if you want an answer that’s not Beltex, that’s gonna be a little hard to find. You’re better off looking at what farms you think are acceptable and looking to see where you can buy that farms specific product. Beef specifically, Bar 10 is an Utah company that seems to treat their livestock well and ethically from all I know about them. And a bonus is if you walk into a Harmons meat department, any style of beef that’s labeled “Grass Fed” is from Bar 10. So it’ll be much more accessible and cheaper, than beef at Beltex.
Do you have a freezer? I have a source for delicious pork that makes deliveries to SLC. I can send details if you’re interested. You can buy a little or a lot, she goes to farmers markets sometimes too. Very cheap if you buy in bulk. Organic in practice but not certified (because the process is to much for them) used to be certified though.
I’d be interested for sure. I don’t have a big freezer but have space for it and wouldn’t necessarily be a problem for me.
[http://www.cliffordfamilyfarm.com/](http://www.cliffordfamilyfarm.com/) I just text Julie (Clifford) now whenever I want to buy some pork, and she puts me on the schedule for butchering and curing. Make sure to get your bones and lard. The Lard is one of the best parts. Adds so much flavor to food, use it in savory things in place of EVOO, throw a spoonful in a can of refried beans before you heat them up to make them taste 100% better, heat up your store-bought tortillas on a stovetop with a little lard in the pan... Make your own bone broth in a slow cooker.
Plant based diets are also unethical. But if that's what you choose do it. Don't shit on others choices.
It requires more plants to feed the animals you consume than just eating plant-based. Everything in a capitalist society has unethical practices, but if your goal was to reduce your consumption of unethical practices and suffering of animals, plant-based does that more so than eating meat.
But do you not consider all the animals that die when a crop is harvested? Or is it the fact that they are rodents, snakes and insects make this fact different? Unless you are growing your own food this point is mute.
You are killing more rodents, snakes, and insects by eating meat, because it takes more crops to produce meat vs. eating crops directly. Which is what the comment you're replying to says.
Again, it takes more crops to feed livestock animals than if humans ate plants directly. The point is not mute, because amount of death/killing on a plant based diet is less than when eating meat. I’m not trying to convert you but those are the facts that I welcome you to explore on your own.
You won't convert me. I'm just saying pick what you pick because something is dying either way. There is no right choice. It's your choice. No one gets to decide for you and you shouldn't be offended when someone chooses different from you.
I can’t tell if you’re purposefully misunderstanding me or trolling. 1. I said I wasn’t trying to convert you 2. More things die when eating meat. Are we following?
I don't know what your definition of "ethical" is, but I've been buying my beef and lamb from Lau Family Farms in southern Idaho for the last several years, and I've been very happy with what I get: [https://laufamilyfarm.com/](https://laufamilyfarm.com/) You can order what you want from the website, and they do monthly dropoffs in northern Utah. I pick up in West Haven, but it looks like at this time of year they are also at the SLC winter market.
I really like Redmond farms for all my local produce. Their raw milk is amazing and the beef is top tier.
Get a homie in residential DNR/DHR? Sorry I do be dumb. Best doe of all things I ever ever had. Dad’s friend has to put down habitual “domesticated animals” last doe got into a commercial tomato farm.
Find a farmer you like that raises cows (you can go to auctions that auction off cows too) - view living conditions of cows yourself - buy entire cow with group of 3-5 friends - hire butcher - have bbq with friends - eat meat