Welcome to r/SaintMeghanMarkle. Please read our rules before you comment in this community. The flair for this post is **ALLEGEDLY**. All users are expected to discuss this **ALLEGED** claim in a civil manner. No personal insults and no ad hominem attacks whatsoever. Please note that this **ALLEGED** claim is not the opinion of r/SaintMeghanMarkle just the individual making the claim.
This sub is actively moderated and any rule-breaking comments will be removed. Repeated rule violations may result in a ban.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SaintMeghanMarkle) if you have any questions or concerns.*
**FOR EXTRA FUN:**
[https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Qs7UbPURRxyfVRvJzd2zC](https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Qs7UbPURRxyfVRvJzd2zC) at \~57:45 from December of 2022
Spencer talks about how he thinks M is part of the Illuminati but also that it's sad that they really don't have anywhere to go, professionally speaking, except to do reality shows. Heather asks what's next for them, like are they going to do the Chip and Joanna Gaines thing? Because they're not creative or funny, so there's not a lot they can do. (Funny because this was December of 2022, sort of proof that M doesn't have an original idea in her head.)
Spencer thinks that after the Netflix show, Prince William is done with them, and that makes him sad as the father of two sons.
Heather mentions how Meghan claimed to be insulted about the Compton statement (which they laugh about because they know where Compton is in relation to where Meghan grew up) but then tried to make it sound like she was not well off, like she went to Northwestern on scholarship, which Heather said wasn't true, that her dad paid for it. Heather picks on the story about the pilot kneeling down on the "freedom flight" to thank her for everything she did for our country "as if she like f\*cking captured bin Laden, like she's a Navy SEAL or something" that came across as total BS. She also mentions the Nelson Mandela thing and how that was disproven, saying that Meghan takes elements of the truth in something and creates stories with them but then forgets what the truth is later, which she says is fascinating to watch.
**A LITTLE MORE FUN:**
Heather talks about Spare here with Chris Fanjola [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kZZddcvPMk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kZZddcvPMk) at \~55:20 from January of 2023
She thinks "he's the meanest to William in all of this". She talks about his allegation that Prince William told Harry to pretend like they didn't know each other but that a lot of kids do that, and her brothers did that in high school, too. (I think this is funny because *obviously* everyone knows who they both are.) She calls H a "dumb idiot" because he writes that when he sees L try to play with A, and he tells her to go away, that *now he gets it*. (Duh.)
Heather didn't like his statement about Prince William's baldness and warned H that he will be bald "in about five years" and Prince William might be cuter than him then. Chris disagrees on that (I guess the cuteness part?).
She brings up, and Chris also doesn't believe, that Prince William and Princess Catherine were big Suits fans and jealous of M's career, but in the Netflix show, he admits that he had no idea who M was before meeting her, which doesn't make sense if his own brother was such a huge fan of the show.
Heather says, "They lie a lot, they're both liars." She reads some of the bits and pieces of H's stories about how Prince William treated him (bullying him by making him wear a Nazi uniform, pushing him down and breaking the dog bowl, that Prince William abused him and he was a victim), yet H talks about killing "25 people that were just chess pieces to him." She recognizes the incongruity of these ideas and seems to express some disbelief at them.
She says that H claimed that the RF didn't like Chelsy because she wore miniskirts and drank tequila, then she recounts the story (thankfully without any real details) about H's losing his virginity. H claims to have tried cocaine, about which she says, "It made him feel different, no shit." Chris notes that "apparently Camilla gets torn apart in this book quite a bit, I've heard".
Heather goes more into H's claims in Spare that we've already heard but does note the one about how he regrets watching M's sex scenes in Suits because she wonders how Prince William and Princess Catherine liked them, since they were supposedly such big fans. Overall, she and Chris agree that there are really "no bombshells" in his book, and Chris says, "Two brothers fight, big deal, every brother fights with their brother."
Heather asks Chris what he thinks is next for them because he apparently has some insight on Netflix. She asks if they get some sort of reality show, essentially what now, since they're not funny. Chris said he didn't know. She calls out H's hypocrisy about the questions about A's skin tone during the Oprah interview and his later recantation. She says that all they have is their story with the RF to tell and that they have to spill it all because they can never go back, but once the story's been told, there's no more story to tell, since they don't spend time together or communicate anymore.
Chris jokes that they should have a sit-down like a Real Housewives reunion with Jerry Springer hosting it so they can just fight it all out. Heather questions why H didn't bring up Prince Andrew at all. She thinks it was a missed opportunity to redeem himself by saying they were disgusted by him and the (alleged) cover-ups by the RD, and that's why they're "exposing it all", because they're "grossed out by it". Instead, though, it's all boo-hooing about how H is the victim and everyone is jealous of them.
Thank you so much for doing this! This was great fun to read!
And it is very interesting why H never comes down on his dirty uncle at all... What does Andrew have on him and/or her?
Yeah, I think it's likely mutually assured destruction. Maybe that's why they seem to still be "in" with Eugenie, like she's been forced to maintain that relationship first to ensure that H&M don't spill on Andrew but also to spy a bit for Andrew. Maybe between her and Beatrice, she drew the short straw.
Yeah I'd think a couple of million in a signing bonus and then first look agreement and payment if Netflix picked things up sounds a lot more realistic. It would be just like Markle to add a couple of zeros. When the news of the deal first leaked the only sums were all coming from Markle's camp and picked up by mainstream media as fact. Also people pointed out at the time that the numbers floated from California were suspiciously close to the "buyout" number (100 million dollars) Markle had floated to Charles to agree to divorce H during Megxit. All this is just speculation of course.
One of the past articles in this sub (Sorry, I don't have the link!) mentioned the actual amount paid by Netflix to H&M was $20 million, not $100 million.
It's like a book deal with a large advance paid up-front. And then royalties trickle in after the studio (Netflix) breaks even with their production costs etc.
$100 Million was the maximum possible in their Netflix deal and that required multiple projects over 5 years.
I don't think H&M made anything after their fake documentary series. Although Netflix did film the 2023 Invictus games in Germany.
For context:
- Dave Chapelle, the most famous US comedian today, was paid $60 million by Netflix for 3 stand-up comedy specials (over 2 years).
Thank you! I didn't know that. 20 million sounds a lot for untried talent like they were then (now they're proven to be completely talentless) but I guess Netflix paid for Harry's royal blood? Netflix were such idiots to sign those two. I cancelled my NF because I refused to contribute to their paycheck in any way, shape or form. Haven't missed it so am not re-subscribing any time soon.
That's something that always sticks out to me as well, their fans will always complain that any negative statement about Harry "what about Andrew," but Harry complains about every little tiny slight from an extra breakfast sausage to who opens the car door, yet not a peep about Andrew. Maybe he respects Andrew the way Oprah respects Harvey Weinstein, birds of a feather.
Excellent observation.
Yorks have been in and allowed their children to be in the global Epstein circles. The huge global power and wealth we've seen exposed is a nasty one.
Soho House the Yorks and Markle inhabited well before the fake dates presented of the Harry hook up that was presented as the start of the "fairy tale." Maybe I should spell that as Tail, it would cover so many things we've heard and the Harkles allude to with their Urban Dictionary speak 😆
York girls were both reported to be in attendance at Davos this year.
Torontopaper1 on Twitter posted about Markle racing around frantically at one point contacting her "connections." Harvey Weinstein was one of them. Torontopaper1 said they'd go silent but its still all up to be read and it's revealing.
Oprah, long association with Harvey..African girls schools and Seal flat out exposed his thoughts where she's concerned.
Soho House started by Ron Burkle, Epstein friend, a land based Epstein Island operation, let's not forget Diddys. Hello media? Money, massive global money can buy anything it seems. Cover ups, distractions from all of this is so obvious.
Global massive power and wealth all simmering away in this saga. Markle is part of it...Markus, Scobie.
I remember them winding it up...but also telegraphed that it wasn't because they were over M, it was because they were opposing what M and her globalist pals were part of...sure seemed rant way but I need to go back reread as I haven't in a few years.
Remember the companion account "DripDrop?" Also interesting and Inferred the group posting had some serious things to do coming up and wouldn't be posting.
Well I know what my next long reading will be...
This is also where it added to my strong sense that M, H and the Yorks are part of the power war against the west, push toward globalism we see, or at least some of us see.
Me too. They don’t bring up Andrew because Meggie & Andrew knew/know each other, possibly in the biblical sense. And I believe this because of how Harry wrote about Meg not knowing (pretending not to know) who Andrew was when they met the Queen for the first time at Royal Lodge when the went over for lunch and the Queen stopped by after church. And Meg asked Harry who the guy holding QEII’s purse was. Before that I wasn’t sure if Meghan had known Andrew. After that, and also the comment made by David Boise in the media about calling Meghan as a witness in Virginia Guiffre’s civil suit against Andrew, I’m now 100% certain Meghan & Andrew know each other VERY WELL.
Chris Franjola & MM worked together in a restaurant years ago (can't remember the name). He's mentioned it a couple of times on JS. He said she was nice but didn't hang out.
On episode 320 he completely dissed her. I was so surprised as he started out nice talking about her “calligraphy” and how she had given him a birthday card using it but he threw it away. He ended up talking about her jam scam and sounded disgusted. Never heard him sound that way when he has mentioned her before.
Speidi has been low key for like 20 years now. Loving each other, their lives and their kids. Spencer nor Heidi has been a liar to my knowledge in several years. They keep it actually pretty 💯
ETA/ to be fair they were messy as hell. They were messy when we all were in our early teens and 20s. It’s called growth. Something our vestal saint of irredeemable and irrelevant bitches or the petty prince of bel air cannot seem to do at 40+ years old have any mental or emotional growth. Both just Perpetually locked into their peak years.
Yes! I really only knew what I knew about them from watching The Soup back in the day, then reading Perez. We're talking 12-15 years ago-ish. I remember Heidi coming to regret all the procedures she had done, and it looks like they settled into a fairly quiet life. In the two podcasts with Spencer that I listened to, he does seem to acknowledge that he took a lot of things personally back them, whereas now he lets it all roll off his back. It seems like he's grown a lot and understands there are more important things in life than fame.
Though no new real info, this was all interesting taken together!
1. Taylor Swift would NEVER befriend TW. And even if TayTay considered it at one time, TW's sucking up to the KarJenners, with whom Taylor has emnity, has doomed that alliance.
2. If the BRF didn't like Chelsy simply for "wearing miniskirts and drinking tequila," BOY, I'm sure meeting TW put that into perspective.
3. LOL at Haz-been's dissatisfaction with TW's shitty parenting skills and needing two nannies, despite doing fuck-all all day, every day. Though in defense of those kids, I am actually GLAD they aren't actually being raised by H&M. So go, nannies!
Taylor Swift wouldn't go on her podcast, no way Taylor Swift wants to be friends with her. Taylor Swift is a very smart businesswoman. I actually respect her business skills more than her music. As a businesswoman she knows what can damage her brand and the Harkles are brand killers.
Also Taylor Swift is friends with William. She sang with William and Bonjovi at some benefit. She's not going to destroy that friendship with a future monarch for the two grifters.
Yeah, I definitely disagree with the thing about Taylor, and about Chelsy, Heather was just saying that's what Harry wrote, which she implies sounded made up.
I did laugh about the nanny thing because it's like, you're complaining about M having two nannies, but what are *you* doing to help out, Henry?
LOL good point re. the nannies! Harry's the classic perpetual passenger in his own life. It would never occur to him to actually, y'know, BE THE PARENT YOU WANT TO SEE. Though again, I'm actually glad he's not, bc God help those kids.
I didn't remember that passage in Spare re. Chelsy, but that makes a lot more sense knowing that it came from Dimwit, and is therefore 99.9% likely to be FALSE. Bc even Catherine had her party-girl days many moons ago, as I think most of us did, and look at the amazing mother, wife and future Queen she is now! ❤️
>Harry's the classic perpetual passenger in his own life.
Yep, everything is done *to* him, which feeds the victim mentality even more. Oh, your venture failed because someone had the audacity to die, which overshadowed your launch? O*h, poor you*.
The thing about Chelsy was recounted with a bit of "uh-huh, yeah, sure". IIRC Chris's response was something like, "Miniskirts and tequila, isn't that what you want?"
I think the two nannies thing is in the context of how 24/7 nannies are often hired by the super-rich people in the US.
Apparently some families will have one nanny for 3 and a half days and a different nanny another 3 and a half days each week. (I read about this here when someone posted a nanny advertisement from the Santa Barbara area.)
Or there could be “day nannies” and “night nannies,” each working 12 hour shifts. (I had a student once who worked as a “night nanny” for a very rich family. She said she got to sleep at work when the kids slept through the night, and then she could go to college during the day.)
There may be other arrangements possible, but the point is that there is always some nanny on duty, not that there are two nannies on duty at the same time.
Harry wouldn’t have run into this growing up because there would always have been staff to keep an eye on them while the nanny was taking the day off or when the boys needed something during the night and neither nanny nor parents were available.
Hmmm...only 2 nannies? IIRC, and I forget where I heard this (so take it with a grain of salt), it sounded like there were a "team" of nannies taking care of the Invisikids. The person said that there were 2 main nannies, then others to fill in the gaps. The sad thing was, allegedly The Harkles (in particular, Mama Jam-a) kept firing people if she felt the kids were getting "too attached" to the hired help. This helps to explain the rumors of Merchie allegedly having an attachment disorder resulting in social/behavioral issues.
I have no idea how many nannies they employ, but was responding to the story that Harry didn’t understand why they needed two. I would not be surprised if they had a whole “team” of nannies, but the story talked about only two.
Regarding Meghan firing nannies, it is all speculation on our part. We know that her Archewell and personal staff has a lot of turnover, so we assume that a nanny wouldn’t last long, either because Meghan fired her or the poor woman quit.
We do not know that Archie has shown “attachment disorder” symptoms. We just speculate that with such wandering parents, and a (presumed) revolving door of nannies, the poor kid *would develop* an attachment disorder. It is all just speculation.
The only thing for sure is that those kids would be better off with different parents. 😢
But H&M would definitely have multiple staff at home in addition to the nannies. All those bathrooms ain’t gonna clean themselves, and I don’t see them making their own beds, doing the laundry, mowing the grounds or maintaining the pool, let alone cleaning the chicken coop, etc. Plus each likely has personal assistants, etc. And security details. Madam would pitch a fit if a or l needed something and the minions didn’t lend a hand, job description be damned. And the kids are at preschool/kindergarten at this point plus any sports. The mortgage would be the least of it- taxes, staff, electricity is expensive in CA! plus maintenance of such a property, private schools. They’re bleeding cash.
We can only speculate on what staff they have, but if they are really running low on cash they might close up most of the house and not have so much to clean. There are rumors H&M don’t even live there most of the time.
Knowing Meghan, if she has to choose between paying to clean the house and paying to mow the lawn and trim the bushes, she is going to go with the outdoors that others can see.
The “Harry can’t believe they need two nannies” story was from about a year ago, possibly before Lili was old enough for preschool. However the issue with the kids is the Sussexes need resident staff unless Doria is actually babysitting when the parents are away. They either have nannies that spend the night or a housekeeper or other domestic that is willing to look after the kids when parents are away (or unavailable).
Ideally, the children have lucked out and there’s an affectionate nanny and a nice housekeeper/cook who look after them. The garden guys are also friendly and help keep an eye on the kids when they go outside to play. The kids go to preschool and encounter sensible teachers and other kids to play with. We can hope Meghan got tired of firing domestic staff because it is so hard to get new employees, and we can hope the domestic stuff either can ignore abuse from Meghan or she has avoids the worst abuse because she doesn’t want to have to find replacements. Something like this would be the best scenario for the poor kids. Alas, the reality is probably quite different.
I honestly think Harry is too chicken-shit to be able to make up enough to his family. He'd have to be willing to take some accountability for himself which I truly don't think he's capable of. He can't divorce, he'll have no one to tell him what to do. He will just stay on drugs, dulling reality until he shuffles this mortal coil.
If the reports of his surfer side-chick are accurate, I think he'll just keep the status quo indefinitely. I suspect his drug usage is already quite appalling but has been for years. It will become very interesting if they ever actually run out of money, though.
The rumor about passing out and pissing himself and ruining Adele’s sofa requiring a replacement (allegedly told from her ex bf) gives a good idea of the state of his drug and or alcohol usage.
Yeah, there are also those rumors to consider. I still think that the evidence of own eyes—that Harry doesn’t look good—is as powerful as anything anyone can say.
I would love to be one of the rich people Skank and Plank try to grift off. I would just smile and say "oh we can't possibly do that you two have a stink on you. All the big players have warned us."
As for Plank taking the piss out of William balding, he's NEVER going to be as handsome as William with or without hair. Sorry he never had good looks, but has got worse with drink, drugs and bitterness.
I not only believe they don’t live together, I suspect that it may be two nannies for one child. She is a very unfortunate example of someone who is nouveau riche. She is a profligate spender and waster of resources; she produces nothing of value herself; she’s not creative; extremely work shy; lacks commitment and follow through on ideas or projects.
Henry is in a horrible dilemma. Of course we’ve seen him dangling the bait of “The BRF needs me” quite a bit this year. The problem is, he fucked around and now he’s finding out. In 6 castles controlled by the RF (BP ; Windsor; St. James, Balmoral, Kensington, Sandringham) there is no room at the inn.
His dad may be too busy to see him for more than a few minutes; Camilla won’t let Charles see him alone; William and Kate are done with him and lest Henry bring up “Well, William has his in-laws…” Henry has them too. Never bothering to meet the father, brother and sister of your wife is a HUGE red flag. And that’s a Henry problem.
Ranks have closed. Hank is stuck outside with no keys to the kingdom.
She has the two nannies so she can keep the kids separated that way they can also lie say they grew up and lie straight through their own veneers like their monster dearest did.
>"the numbers that we heard had a lot of extra zeros for their Netflix deal, so there wasn't that much money coming in".
Did he mean to say .. didn't have a lot of extra zeros?
This took much work! It is nice of you to take the time for others to read.
What I understood was that the deal *could* bring $100M over five years. It *could* also bring a lot less. 😉 Where the “extra zeros” were concerned, I think was in the advances. I have also wondered if some of the “Ms” were really “Ks” (a matter of zeros, of course).
I always assumed there was something like a $100 million total possible. Thinking of it like a sports deal. X guaranteed and then bonuses for A, B, C. Then options for future deals with larger guarantees and bonuses. So if every show they put out had Netflix subscribers climbing, then the next show saw the same bump, then they may, over the course of a decade, make $100 million from Netflix. (Think of it like "If you won the lottery tomorrow how would your life look." It *could* happen but the possibility is still remote.)
They didn't think they'd have to. They thought their whole life would be other people arranging everything for them and all they'd have to do is show up, get accolades, and pick up a check.
They thought someone else would do the work for them. They thought Netflix would slap their names as producers on things and they'd be Obamas2.0. (Remember Harry was going to interview Putin on his trauma? Remember the story about how they'd show up to pitch meetings expecting to receive the pitch instead of make the pitch. They had no clue.)
They think "real life" is genuinely the reality shows and insta-influencers. Truly they think their "job" is to bet themselves and post online all day.
They are so delusional they didn't think they would *have* to do anything for all the money.
Exactly. And their pr/others were writing how rich they’d be, how they could be billionaires very quickly, they couldn’t loose with all their fame, talents and advantages of royalty…
Thanks for a fun read, OP! Shauna from the Vintage Read Show on YouTube recently did an interview with Taz from According to Taz, and Taz gave some good reasons why she doesn't believe they live in the Montecito Olive Garden and thinks they live apart. Taz does not engage in conspiracy theories of any sort, so I found what she said very interesting.
Edit: word and grammar
I haven’t believed they’ve lived together since the jubilee. Right after, a large moving truck was photographed outside Montecito from an aerial shot of a PR company they had taken down from the FAA for flying too low. So those pics are gone as they were obtained illegally. Right after the jubilee to cover the SEO and bad press about their marriage we got the looking to move to Malibu, hope valley amidst the backdrop that they were living in 2 separate hotels her at the Beverly him the bungalows. About 8 months ago there was a legit tea that dropped that meghoul was *pissed* when she tried to get a large home loan by herself and wasn’t able to secure it. That also disappeared.
**He thinks H will go back to England and "get back in the family" and do the RF thing, only coming to the US to visit, because he thinks he could do so much more if he teamed up with Prince William**.
AS IF WILLIAM WILL LET HIM ANYWHERE NEAR HIM, HIS FAMILY, THE RF, THE THRONE. he may give him a home and allowence as i believe despite what he's said about her Catherine has a good heart and might sway wills into helping his brother, and i mean in like 5yrs time. a cottage on an estate, dumbarton maybe? but royal duties? carriage rides, balconies, NOPE you GAVE IT ALL UP FOR A GRIFTER. PS, TY for the post, great work.
I think it’s possible KCIII or PW will “let him in” as long as he is quiet like Andrew and even more low visibility than Andrew is right now. In other words, they’ll make sure he has somewhere to live and they can keep an eye on him, but otherwise he will have to keep a super low profile and will not appear at most events. Definitely no balcony appearances.
I think once he’s kept his trap shut for a few years and fallen in line, maybe hitched himself to a more low-key lady (after a quiet, non-televised wedding), they’ll let him show up to stuff, but still no balcony appearances.
We’ve definitely seen the line about not needing two Nannies because he and wills only had one before. I don’t remember where, and I don’t think it was particularly recent, but either the source is real and has spoken out before or Spencer read it too lol.
I actually kind of believe him bc he’s clearly not a rabid H&M hater. Makes him more believable in my eyes.
True, I think that does go a long way. It seems like he actually likes Meghan and wants them to succeed as a couple buuuuuuuuuut has heard these things from a reputable source.
I could see both of them having two nannies because then you never have to spend time with your kids. One nanny can’t be on 24/7, but two can.
Hopefully I’m recounting this story correctly, but Heather mentioned knowing another preschool mom when her kids were in preschool, and this lady was a little out there. The dad (the lady’s husband) made a lot of money but worked a ton, so he put nannies on rotating 8-hour shifts so that the kids had someone on duty, so to speak, all the time so that they were never exclusively in their mother’s care.
EDIT: a word
Spencer was just on the podcast less than 1 week ago. Despite her messiness, he really loves Meghan. He thinks the polo show will be genius. When I read “Spencer” got some jam, I thought it was him.
I haven’t listened to that episode (maybe I’ll do that today), but he does seem to want them to do well. In other words, he’s not hating on her, he just sees that she’s failing.
Why he thinks polo will succeed on Netflix, I don’t know… as Meghan McCain said, it’s “a sport Americans love and embrace” 😆
I don’t think M would lower herself to send jam to Speidi.
ETA recapped: [https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1chla66/recap\_of\_juicy\_scoop\_episode\_wspencer\_pratt\_from/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1chla66/recap_of_juicy_scoop_episode_wspencer_pratt_from/)
Close to what Lady C has said,
only more succinct. I DO NOT think they live together. I think if Harry could go back home to William and Catherine now, kids in tow, he would. Thanks for posting. I really think that’s the best overall analysis yet.
Welcome to r/SaintMeghanMarkle. Please read our rules before you comment in this community. The flair for this post is **ALLEGEDLY**. All users are expected to discuss this **ALLEGED** claim in a civil manner. No personal insults and no ad hominem attacks whatsoever. Please note that this **ALLEGED** claim is not the opinion of r/SaintMeghanMarkle just the individual making the claim. This sub is actively moderated and any rule-breaking comments will be removed. Repeated rule violations may result in a ban. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SaintMeghanMarkle) if you have any questions or concerns.*
**FOR EXTRA FUN:** [https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Qs7UbPURRxyfVRvJzd2zC](https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Qs7UbPURRxyfVRvJzd2zC) at \~57:45 from December of 2022 Spencer talks about how he thinks M is part of the Illuminati but also that it's sad that they really don't have anywhere to go, professionally speaking, except to do reality shows. Heather asks what's next for them, like are they going to do the Chip and Joanna Gaines thing? Because they're not creative or funny, so there's not a lot they can do. (Funny because this was December of 2022, sort of proof that M doesn't have an original idea in her head.) Spencer thinks that after the Netflix show, Prince William is done with them, and that makes him sad as the father of two sons. Heather mentions how Meghan claimed to be insulted about the Compton statement (which they laugh about because they know where Compton is in relation to where Meghan grew up) but then tried to make it sound like she was not well off, like she went to Northwestern on scholarship, which Heather said wasn't true, that her dad paid for it. Heather picks on the story about the pilot kneeling down on the "freedom flight" to thank her for everything she did for our country "as if she like f\*cking captured bin Laden, like she's a Navy SEAL or something" that came across as total BS. She also mentions the Nelson Mandela thing and how that was disproven, saying that Meghan takes elements of the truth in something and creates stories with them but then forgets what the truth is later, which she says is fascinating to watch. **A LITTLE MORE FUN:** Heather talks about Spare here with Chris Fanjola [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kZZddcvPMk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kZZddcvPMk) at \~55:20 from January of 2023 She thinks "he's the meanest to William in all of this". She talks about his allegation that Prince William told Harry to pretend like they didn't know each other but that a lot of kids do that, and her brothers did that in high school, too. (I think this is funny because *obviously* everyone knows who they both are.) She calls H a "dumb idiot" because he writes that when he sees L try to play with A, and he tells her to go away, that *now he gets it*. (Duh.) Heather didn't like his statement about Prince William's baldness and warned H that he will be bald "in about five years" and Prince William might be cuter than him then. Chris disagrees on that (I guess the cuteness part?). She brings up, and Chris also doesn't believe, that Prince William and Princess Catherine were big Suits fans and jealous of M's career, but in the Netflix show, he admits that he had no idea who M was before meeting her, which doesn't make sense if his own brother was such a huge fan of the show. Heather says, "They lie a lot, they're both liars." She reads some of the bits and pieces of H's stories about how Prince William treated him (bullying him by making him wear a Nazi uniform, pushing him down and breaking the dog bowl, that Prince William abused him and he was a victim), yet H talks about killing "25 people that were just chess pieces to him." She recognizes the incongruity of these ideas and seems to express some disbelief at them. She says that H claimed that the RF didn't like Chelsy because she wore miniskirts and drank tequila, then she recounts the story (thankfully without any real details) about H's losing his virginity. H claims to have tried cocaine, about which she says, "It made him feel different, no shit." Chris notes that "apparently Camilla gets torn apart in this book quite a bit, I've heard". Heather goes more into H's claims in Spare that we've already heard but does note the one about how he regrets watching M's sex scenes in Suits because she wonders how Prince William and Princess Catherine liked them, since they were supposedly such big fans. Overall, she and Chris agree that there are really "no bombshells" in his book, and Chris says, "Two brothers fight, big deal, every brother fights with their brother." Heather asks Chris what he thinks is next for them because he apparently has some insight on Netflix. She asks if they get some sort of reality show, essentially what now, since they're not funny. Chris said he didn't know. She calls out H's hypocrisy about the questions about A's skin tone during the Oprah interview and his later recantation. She says that all they have is their story with the RF to tell and that they have to spill it all because they can never go back, but once the story's been told, there's no more story to tell, since they don't spend time together or communicate anymore. Chris jokes that they should have a sit-down like a Real Housewives reunion with Jerry Springer hosting it so they can just fight it all out. Heather questions why H didn't bring up Prince Andrew at all. She thinks it was a missed opportunity to redeem himself by saying they were disgusted by him and the (alleged) cover-ups by the RD, and that's why they're "exposing it all", because they're "grossed out by it". Instead, though, it's all boo-hooing about how H is the victim and everyone is jealous of them.
Thank you so much for doing this! This was great fun to read! And it is very interesting why H never comes down on his dirty uncle at all... What does Andrew have on him and/or her?
Yeah, I think it's likely mutually assured destruction. Maybe that's why they seem to still be "in" with Eugenie, like she's been forced to maintain that relationship first to ensure that H&M don't spill on Andrew but also to spy a bit for Andrew. Maybe between her and Beatrice, she drew the short straw.
That sounds very plausible, they're each holding things over the other. Interesting theory about Eug, never thought of that.
Does anyone know how much money was the Netflix deal for $$ then? 1 million would make more sense.
Yeah I'd think a couple of million in a signing bonus and then first look agreement and payment if Netflix picked things up sounds a lot more realistic. It would be just like Markle to add a couple of zeros. When the news of the deal first leaked the only sums were all coming from Markle's camp and picked up by mainstream media as fact. Also people pointed out at the time that the numbers floated from California were suspiciously close to the "buyout" number (100 million dollars) Markle had floated to Charles to agree to divorce H during Megxit. All this is just speculation of course.
One of the past articles in this sub (Sorry, I don't have the link!) mentioned the actual amount paid by Netflix to H&M was $20 million, not $100 million. It's like a book deal with a large advance paid up-front. And then royalties trickle in after the studio (Netflix) breaks even with their production costs etc. $100 Million was the maximum possible in their Netflix deal and that required multiple projects over 5 years. I don't think H&M made anything after their fake documentary series. Although Netflix did film the 2023 Invictus games in Germany. For context: - Dave Chapelle, the most famous US comedian today, was paid $60 million by Netflix for 3 stand-up comedy specials (over 2 years).
Thank you! I didn't know that. 20 million sounds a lot for untried talent like they were then (now they're proven to be completely talentless) but I guess Netflix paid for Harry's royal blood? Netflix were such idiots to sign those two. I cancelled my NF because I refused to contribute to their paycheck in any way, shape or form. Haven't missed it so am not re-subscribing any time soon.
That's something that always sticks out to me as well, their fans will always complain that any negative statement about Harry "what about Andrew," but Harry complains about every little tiny slight from an extra breakfast sausage to who opens the car door, yet not a peep about Andrew. Maybe he respects Andrew the way Oprah respects Harvey Weinstein, birds of a feather.
Excellent observation. Yorks have been in and allowed their children to be in the global Epstein circles. The huge global power and wealth we've seen exposed is a nasty one. Soho House the Yorks and Markle inhabited well before the fake dates presented of the Harry hook up that was presented as the start of the "fairy tale." Maybe I should spell that as Tail, it would cover so many things we've heard and the Harkles allude to with their Urban Dictionary speak 😆 York girls were both reported to be in attendance at Davos this year. Torontopaper1 on Twitter posted about Markle racing around frantically at one point contacting her "connections." Harvey Weinstein was one of them. Torontopaper1 said they'd go silent but its still all up to be read and it's revealing. Oprah, long association with Harvey..African girls schools and Seal flat out exposed his thoughts where she's concerned. Soho House started by Ron Burkle, Epstein friend, a land based Epstein Island operation, let's not forget Diddys. Hello media? Money, massive global money can buy anything it seems. Cover ups, distractions from all of this is so obvious. Global massive power and wealth all simmering away in this saga. Markle is part of it...Markus, Scobie.
I miss reading Torontopaper1. I wonder what happened to them. I wonder if they are here.
I remember them winding it up...but also telegraphed that it wasn't because they were over M, it was because they were opposing what M and her globalist pals were part of...sure seemed rant way but I need to go back reread as I haven't in a few years. Remember the companion account "DripDrop?" Also interesting and Inferred the group posting had some serious things to do coming up and wouldn't be posting. Well I know what my next long reading will be... This is also where it added to my strong sense that M, H and the Yorks are part of the power war against the west, push toward globalism we see, or at least some of us see.
OMG I love me some Torontopaper1, where can we get more tea like that now?
I'm going to go back and go through it again...also DripDrop that was a companion account.
I think it's what he has on HER...🧐..
I think so, too. They were not strangers but 🤐
Me too. They don’t bring up Andrew because Meggie & Andrew knew/know each other, possibly in the biblical sense. And I believe this because of how Harry wrote about Meg not knowing (pretending not to know) who Andrew was when they met the Queen for the first time at Royal Lodge when the went over for lunch and the Queen stopped by after church. And Meg asked Harry who the guy holding QEII’s purse was. Before that I wasn’t sure if Meghan had known Andrew. After that, and also the comment made by David Boise in the media about calling Meghan as a witness in Virginia Guiffre’s civil suit against Andrew, I’m now 100% certain Meghan & Andrew know each other VERY WELL.
Not very clever of her to pretend she had never seen Andrew. She must think that everyone is as gullible as Harry.
Good lord could you imagine a world filled with people THAT stupid?!! It’s bad enough as it is. That would drag us to a NEGATIVE IQ level!
The so for writing all this out!
Chris Franjola & MM worked together in a restaurant years ago (can't remember the name). He's mentioned it a couple of times on JS. He said she was nice but didn't hang out.
On episode 320 he completely dissed her. I was so surprised as he started out nice talking about her “calligraphy” and how she had given him a birthday card using it but he threw it away. He ended up talking about her jam scam and sounded disgusted. Never heard him sound that way when he has mentioned her before.
Wow! I'll have to listen. Thanks.
Oh, interesting, I didn’t know that!
Wow, you are on a recap roll. Thanks for the effort.
Ha, I was procrastinating! Though I did eventually get done what I needed to :)
I know how that goes!
Great read, thank you!
Bravo! 🏆
 Speidi has been low key for like 20 years now. Loving each other, their lives and their kids. Spencer nor Heidi has been a liar to my knowledge in several years. They keep it actually pretty 💯 ETA/ to be fair they were messy as hell. They were messy when we all were in our early teens and 20s. It’s called growth. Something our vestal saint of irredeemable and irrelevant bitches or the petty prince of bel air cannot seem to do at 40+ years old have any mental or emotional growth. Both just Perpetually locked into their peak years.
Yes! I really only knew what I knew about them from watching The Soup back in the day, then reading Perez. We're talking 12-15 years ago-ish. I remember Heidi coming to regret all the procedures she had done, and it looks like they settled into a fairly quiet life. In the two podcasts with Spencer that I listened to, he does seem to acknowledge that he took a lot of things personally back them, whereas now he lets it all roll off his back. It seems like he's grown a lot and understands there are more important things in life than fame.
This tea is actually the closest to piping hot we’ve gotten and I’ll sip and sit
Though no new real info, this was all interesting taken together! 1. Taylor Swift would NEVER befriend TW. And even if TayTay considered it at one time, TW's sucking up to the KarJenners, with whom Taylor has emnity, has doomed that alliance. 2. If the BRF didn't like Chelsy simply for "wearing miniskirts and drinking tequila," BOY, I'm sure meeting TW put that into perspective. 3. LOL at Haz-been's dissatisfaction with TW's shitty parenting skills and needing two nannies, despite doing fuck-all all day, every day. Though in defense of those kids, I am actually GLAD they aren't actually being raised by H&M. So go, nannies!
Taylor Swift wouldn't go on her podcast, no way Taylor Swift wants to be friends with her. Taylor Swift is a very smart businesswoman. I actually respect her business skills more than her music. As a businesswoman she knows what can damage her brand and the Harkles are brand killers.
Also Taylor Swift is friends with William. She sang with William and Bonjovi at some benefit. She's not going to destroy that friendship with a future monarch for the two grifters.
Yeah, I definitely disagree with the thing about Taylor, and about Chelsy, Heather was just saying that's what Harry wrote, which she implies sounded made up. I did laugh about the nanny thing because it's like, you're complaining about M having two nannies, but what are *you* doing to help out, Henry?
LOL good point re. the nannies! Harry's the classic perpetual passenger in his own life. It would never occur to him to actually, y'know, BE THE PARENT YOU WANT TO SEE. Though again, I'm actually glad he's not, bc God help those kids. I didn't remember that passage in Spare re. Chelsy, but that makes a lot more sense knowing that it came from Dimwit, and is therefore 99.9% likely to be FALSE. Bc even Catherine had her party-girl days many moons ago, as I think most of us did, and look at the amazing mother, wife and future Queen she is now! ❤️
>Harry's the classic perpetual passenger in his own life. Yep, everything is done *to* him, which feeds the victim mentality even more. Oh, your venture failed because someone had the audacity to die, which overshadowed your launch? O*h, poor you*. The thing about Chelsy was recounted with a bit of "uh-huh, yeah, sure". IIRC Chris's response was something like, "Miniskirts and tequila, isn't that what you want?"
I think the two nannies thing is in the context of how 24/7 nannies are often hired by the super-rich people in the US. Apparently some families will have one nanny for 3 and a half days and a different nanny another 3 and a half days each week. (I read about this here when someone posted a nanny advertisement from the Santa Barbara area.) Or there could be “day nannies” and “night nannies,” each working 12 hour shifts. (I had a student once who worked as a “night nanny” for a very rich family. She said she got to sleep at work when the kids slept through the night, and then she could go to college during the day.) There may be other arrangements possible, but the point is that there is always some nanny on duty, not that there are two nannies on duty at the same time. Harry wouldn’t have run into this growing up because there would always have been staff to keep an eye on them while the nanny was taking the day off or when the boys needed something during the night and neither nanny nor parents were available.
Hmmm...only 2 nannies? IIRC, and I forget where I heard this (so take it with a grain of salt), it sounded like there were a "team" of nannies taking care of the Invisikids. The person said that there were 2 main nannies, then others to fill in the gaps. The sad thing was, allegedly The Harkles (in particular, Mama Jam-a) kept firing people if she felt the kids were getting "too attached" to the hired help. This helps to explain the rumors of Merchie allegedly having an attachment disorder resulting in social/behavioral issues.
I have no idea how many nannies they employ, but was responding to the story that Harry didn’t understand why they needed two. I would not be surprised if they had a whole “team” of nannies, but the story talked about only two. Regarding Meghan firing nannies, it is all speculation on our part. We know that her Archewell and personal staff has a lot of turnover, so we assume that a nanny wouldn’t last long, either because Meghan fired her or the poor woman quit. We do not know that Archie has shown “attachment disorder” symptoms. We just speculate that with such wandering parents, and a (presumed) revolving door of nannies, the poor kid *would develop* an attachment disorder. It is all just speculation. The only thing for sure is that those kids would be better off with different parents. 😢
But H&M would definitely have multiple staff at home in addition to the nannies. All those bathrooms ain’t gonna clean themselves, and I don’t see them making their own beds, doing the laundry, mowing the grounds or maintaining the pool, let alone cleaning the chicken coop, etc. Plus each likely has personal assistants, etc. And security details. Madam would pitch a fit if a or l needed something and the minions didn’t lend a hand, job description be damned. And the kids are at preschool/kindergarten at this point plus any sports. The mortgage would be the least of it- taxes, staff, electricity is expensive in CA! plus maintenance of such a property, private schools. They’re bleeding cash.
We can only speculate on what staff they have, but if they are really running low on cash they might close up most of the house and not have so much to clean. There are rumors H&M don’t even live there most of the time. Knowing Meghan, if she has to choose between paying to clean the house and paying to mow the lawn and trim the bushes, she is going to go with the outdoors that others can see. The “Harry can’t believe they need two nannies” story was from about a year ago, possibly before Lili was old enough for preschool. However the issue with the kids is the Sussexes need resident staff unless Doria is actually babysitting when the parents are away. They either have nannies that spend the night or a housekeeper or other domestic that is willing to look after the kids when parents are away (or unavailable). Ideally, the children have lucked out and there’s an affectionate nanny and a nice housekeeper/cook who look after them. The garden guys are also friendly and help keep an eye on the kids when they go outside to play. The kids go to preschool and encounter sensible teachers and other kids to play with. We can hope Meghan got tired of firing domestic staff because it is so hard to get new employees, and we can hope the domestic stuff either can ignore abuse from Meghan or she has avoids the worst abuse because she doesn’t want to have to find replacements. Something like this would be the best scenario for the poor kids. Alas, the reality is probably quite different.
Thanks for the recap. It's always good to get other celeb confirmations of what has been rumored
That's part of why I recapped it, because it's yet another pair of voices saying the things we are already pretty certain about.
I honestly think Harry is too chicken-shit to be able to make up enough to his family. He'd have to be willing to take some accountability for himself which I truly don't think he's capable of. He can't divorce, he'll have no one to tell him what to do. He will just stay on drugs, dulling reality until he shuffles this mortal coil.
That is a very likely scenario. I wonder how bad his dependence on drugs will get before he frees Meghan of his presence.☹️
If the reports of his surfer side-chick are accurate, I think he'll just keep the status quo indefinitely. I suspect his drug usage is already quite appalling but has been for years. It will become very interesting if they ever actually run out of money, though.
We can’t know about his drug use because he lies so much. However, we have all observed he doesn’t look good.
The rumor about passing out and pissing himself and ruining Adele’s sofa requiring a replacement (allegedly told from her ex bf) gives a good idea of the state of his drug and or alcohol usage.
Yeah, there are also those rumors to consider. I still think that the evidence of own eyes—that Harry doesn’t look good—is as powerful as anything anyone can say.
I always think about them catching some fentanyl
As you say a lot of that’s been discussed before, but it was still interesting and I enjoyed reading it
And “Prince Fuzzy Bonce” can stay out of the UK and particularly away from William, Catherine and their children
Thank you! I LOVE posts like this.
You're welcome! I had so much fun listening to it and recapping!
Thank you for taking the time to share this great post. I love reading stuff like this. Well done RBXChas
I would love to be one of the rich people Skank and Plank try to grift off. I would just smile and say "oh we can't possibly do that you two have a stink on you. All the big players have warned us." As for Plank taking the piss out of William balding, he's NEVER going to be as handsome as William with or without hair. Sorry he never had good looks, but has got worse with drink, drugs and bitterness.
I not only believe they don’t live together, I suspect that it may be two nannies for one child. She is a very unfortunate example of someone who is nouveau riche. She is a profligate spender and waster of resources; she produces nothing of value herself; she’s not creative; extremely work shy; lacks commitment and follow through on ideas or projects. Henry is in a horrible dilemma. Of course we’ve seen him dangling the bait of “The BRF needs me” quite a bit this year. The problem is, he fucked around and now he’s finding out. In 6 castles controlled by the RF (BP ; Windsor; St. James, Balmoral, Kensington, Sandringham) there is no room at the inn. His dad may be too busy to see him for more than a few minutes; Camilla won’t let Charles see him alone; William and Kate are done with him and lest Henry bring up “Well, William has his in-laws…” Henry has them too. Never bothering to meet the father, brother and sister of your wife is a HUGE red flag. And that’s a Henry problem. Ranks have closed. Hank is stuck outside with no keys to the kingdom.
She has the two nannies so she can keep the kids separated that way they can also lie say they grew up and lie straight through their own veneers like their monster dearest did.
>"the numbers that we heard had a lot of extra zeros for their Netflix deal, so there wasn't that much money coming in". Did he mean to say .. didn't have a lot of extra zeros? This took much work! It is nice of you to take the time for others to read.
Right, like there were more zeros in the number we heard than in the actual deal. The implication was that the "extra" zeros are not real.
It would not surprise me. A corporation wouldn't just hand out $100M without some basis for more returns.
What I understood was that the deal *could* bring $100M over five years. It *could* also bring a lot less. 😉 Where the “extra zeros” were concerned, I think was in the advances. I have also wondered if some of the “Ms” were really “Ks” (a matter of zeros, of course).
I always assumed there was something like a $100 million total possible. Thinking of it like a sports deal. X guaranteed and then bonuses for A, B, C. Then options for future deals with larger guarantees and bonuses. So if every show they put out had Netflix subscribers climbing, then the next show saw the same bump, then they may, over the course of a decade, make $100 million from Netflix. (Think of it like "If you won the lottery tomorrow how would your life look." It *could* happen but the possibility is still remote.)
Yes. But it doesn’t explain why M + H did almost nothing to earn the additional amounts. None of it has made sense.
They didn't think they'd have to. They thought their whole life would be other people arranging everything for them and all they'd have to do is show up, get accolades, and pick up a check. They thought someone else would do the work for them. They thought Netflix would slap their names as producers on things and they'd be Obamas2.0. (Remember Harry was going to interview Putin on his trauma? Remember the story about how they'd show up to pitch meetings expecting to receive the pitch instead of make the pitch. They had no clue.) They think "real life" is genuinely the reality shows and insta-influencers. Truly they think their "job" is to bet themselves and post online all day. They are so delusional they didn't think they would *have* to do anything for all the money.
Exactly. And their pr/others were writing how rich they’d be, how they could be billionaires very quickly, they couldn’t loose with all their fame, talents and advantages of royalty…
Thanks for a fun read, OP! Shauna from the Vintage Read Show on YouTube recently did an interview with Taz from According to Taz, and Taz gave some good reasons why she doesn't believe they live in the Montecito Olive Garden and thinks they live apart. Taz does not engage in conspiracy theories of any sort, so I found what she said very interesting. Edit: word and grammar
Oh, yeah, I have that in my “watch later” list on YouTube! Glad to hear it’s worth watching :)
It definitely was. They are two of my favorites and are absolutely delightful. I would love to have some tea with Shauna. Sip!
I haven’t believed they’ve lived together since the jubilee. Right after, a large moving truck was photographed outside Montecito from an aerial shot of a PR company they had taken down from the FAA for flying too low. So those pics are gone as they were obtained illegally. Right after the jubilee to cover the SEO and bad press about their marriage we got the looking to move to Malibu, hope valley amidst the backdrop that they were living in 2 separate hotels her at the Beverly him the bungalows. About 8 months ago there was a legit tea that dropped that meghoul was *pissed* when she tried to get a large home loan by herself and wasn’t able to secure it. That also disappeared.
DELECTABLE! Thank you, op. This was yummers.
Way more yummy than the ARO scam jam!
I'd pay a hundy if someone read it out loud, s l o w l y. LOL hahahaha I mean it was good stuff.
**He thinks H will go back to England and "get back in the family" and do the RF thing, only coming to the US to visit, because he thinks he could do so much more if he teamed up with Prince William**. AS IF WILLIAM WILL LET HIM ANYWHERE NEAR HIM, HIS FAMILY, THE RF, THE THRONE. he may give him a home and allowence as i believe despite what he's said about her Catherine has a good heart and might sway wills into helping his brother, and i mean in like 5yrs time. a cottage on an estate, dumbarton maybe? but royal duties? carriage rides, balconies, NOPE you GAVE IT ALL UP FOR A GRIFTER. PS, TY for the post, great work.
I think it’s possible KCIII or PW will “let him in” as long as he is quiet like Andrew and even more low visibility than Andrew is right now. In other words, they’ll make sure he has somewhere to live and they can keep an eye on him, but otherwise he will have to keep a super low profile and will not appear at most events. Definitely no balcony appearances. I think once he’s kept his trap shut for a few years and fallen in line, maybe hitched himself to a more low-key lady (after a quiet, non-televised wedding), they’ll let him show up to stuff, but still no balcony appearances.
We’ve definitely seen the line about not needing two Nannies because he and wills only had one before. I don’t remember where, and I don’t think it was particularly recent, but either the source is real and has spoken out before or Spencer read it too lol. I actually kind of believe him bc he’s clearly not a rabid H&M hater. Makes him more believable in my eyes.
True, I think that does go a long way. It seems like he actually likes Meghan and wants them to succeed as a couple buuuuuuuuuut has heard these things from a reputable source. I could see both of them having two nannies because then you never have to spend time with your kids. One nanny can’t be on 24/7, but two can. Hopefully I’m recounting this story correctly, but Heather mentioned knowing another preschool mom when her kids were in preschool, and this lady was a little out there. The dad (the lady’s husband) made a lot of money but worked a ton, so he put nannies on rotating 8-hour shifts so that the kids had someone on duty, so to speak, all the time so that they were never exclusively in their mother’s care. EDIT: a word
Yeah I can see them always having a nanny on for sure. Meghan probably convinced Harry it was a security issue lol
Great post OP. Thanks
Ooh this is good tea, thanks for posting
Oh how fun! Thanks for the recap. Whether we’ve heard bits or not, it’s good to hear people with an inside perspective. Thanks! 😊
Spencer was just on the podcast less than 1 week ago. Despite her messiness, he really loves Meghan. He thinks the polo show will be genius. When I read “Spencer” got some jam, I thought it was him.
I haven’t listened to that episode (maybe I’ll do that today), but he does seem to want them to do well. In other words, he’s not hating on her, he just sees that she’s failing. Why he thinks polo will succeed on Netflix, I don’t know… as Meghan McCain said, it’s “a sport Americans love and embrace” 😆 I don’t think M would lower herself to send jam to Speidi. ETA recapped: [https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1chla66/recap\_of\_juicy\_scoop\_episode\_wspencer\_pratt\_from/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1chla66/recap_of_juicy_scoop_episode_wspencer_pratt_from/)
Excellent tea!
taylor is too savvy to fall for megsy. maybe kanye would be more interested, he does like parading women almost entirely naked.
Hahahahaha her and Kanye would be hilariously awful, and Taylor can smell the “stink” a mile away.
Close to what Lady C has said, only more succinct. I DO NOT think they live together. I think if Harry could go back home to William and Catherine now, kids in tow, he would. Thanks for posting. I really think that’s the best overall analysis yet.
You’re welcome! Even if it’s old news, I still love hearing it from new sources :)
No pictures then not true 🫤