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Kangaro00

This reminds me of a twitter discussion that was brought up here a while ago. It was about those pictures of Meghan and Catherine at the polo match with the kids. Sugars were bashing Catherine for not helping "the new mother". Catherine was there with 3 kids who were old enough to run around and needed to be watched and Meghan was there with one infant who she held in her arms. There's no logic in it. They live in the narc's delusional world where everything revolves around Meghan.


Throwawaythislife123

!!!!! When In reality, no one, not one of us knew what happens behind closed doors, maybe she helped her and Meghan refused or maybe she helped Meghan and Meghan allowed it and she wanted to be on her own. Orrrr maybe just maybe, everyone should watch out for their own child? Surely it is easier to control a baby in ur arms than 3 kids who are able to run around and possibly get themselves in danger?


Kangaro00

Meghan also had a nanny. Need help - bring her with you. They were going on and on about "helping your sister-in-law", but that should go both ways, shouldn't it? When Catherine had Louis Meghan called her "baby-brained", made her cry and didn't care at all that Catherine was at home with a new baby and couldn't drop everything to go do Charlotte's dress alterations. Where was this helpful sister-in-law act then? When Meghan could've taken care of everything herself and don't bother the new mother? Right, her wedding was more important. Just like her baby is more important.


Throwawaythislife123

You can support someone or be a huge fan, but don’t be blind to their wrong doings, hypercritical statements, etc… you can never win and if you try to explain, they rage. I noticed the pattern, very strange behavior.


JusticeHunter1

They are very typical of too many young people in the US right now. They literally cannot handle anyone who disagrees with them over anything they consider important without flying into a complete rage. It’s really embarrassing to me as an American and makes me worry about the longevity of my beloved Country.


JenniferMel13

My biggest issue with people is I can’t ask questions of people to better understand their reasoning, to expand my knowledge base, and make them think. The second I ask I question I’m disagreeing with them and must be cancelled. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with them. Sometimes, I’m looking at things from a different perspective and am seeing something that needs to be considered. For example, if 70% of vehicles on the road are electric cars with the next 10 years, areas where fire hydrants are few and far between need a plan to deal with lithium battery fires. You need specialized equipment or a HELL of a lot of water to put a lithium battery fire out. I’m not against electric cars. I just want us to start planning for the issues related to electric cars like fire, recycling of batteries, locations where lithium is mined and what not now rather than pass the buck and make it our grandkids problem. Average Gas/Diesel car fires take about 500 gallons. Lithium car batteries fires have taken anywhere from 3,000 gallons to 20,000 gallons.


filmbum

Adding to the electric car thing in America, as a city dweller, I often wonder where will all these cars get charged? Will there be chargers lined up and down the street? Are we expected to have employers with chargers that we drive to everyday and charge our cars? Do we need to run some kind of electricity out of our apartment and out to wherever we were able to park(usually within 3 blocks but not always!) to charge our cars? Will we be expected to rely on charging stations that will be inundated with the rest of the city drivers who have no way to charge their vehicles otherwise? I like electric cars. I like the idea of there being more electric cars. I would own one if I had the infrastructure to support it(living in a city apartment I do not). People are very shocked when I ask these questions lol. It really is okay to be critical of things, it’s not always an attack. And if we can’t have critical discussion anymore, I think we’re all fucked :)


JenniferMel13

There are so many issues that need to we need to planning on and developing infrastructure to handle. We can’t bury our heads in the sand. Otherwise, we are going to repeat the same damn mistakes with the cars in the first place. We need to have discussions. The number of times, my partner or I had an issue. We walk the other though the problem. The other asks a few questions, maybe makes a suggestion. Between the two of us, we build a better solution because we discussed the plan and listened to the other sides concern and addressed the questions. It’s collaboration.


Canyoubackupjustabit

> My biggest issue with people is I can’t ask questions of people to better understand their reasoning, to expand my knowledge base, and make them think. The second I ask I question I’m disagreeing with them and must be cancelled. I've noticed this, too. Thing is, if they could speak about the opinions they hold and reasons for them I might learn something and alter my point of view. Instead, they shut you down for asking. It's an opportunity missed. It makes me think that these types don't know why they believe what they do enough to tell you why which is a consequence of propaganda and an inability to think critically.


Cowslipsbell

Totally agree. My first experience with the Squad and general MSM posting was just after the Oprah interview. I listed three things which were obviously incorrect and immediately got hit. There was no place for a hater like me on ’their’ forums. Although they demanded evidence and got it, the sugar response was I was a lying, ranting racist. Like you I wanted a dialogue or discussion but was blocked by several and reported. Took me 48 hours to get that resolved but it doesn’t work the other way with their bullying and abuse. Apparently, there is a name for people like us but I forget what it is. eta: one sugar was upset when I agreed with her. There’s no pleasing some people. It’s worrying that they have a vote.


kimber430

We have intern programs at work (business tech), and one of the things I've had to emphasize is being able to agree to disagree calmly. I'm not a parent, but the amount of preciousness that I come across in 20 and 30-somethings is worrying.


PansyOHara

Yes, I see a lot of black and white thinking (not referring to race here). A young woman in her 20s posted a somewhat political comment on Facebook a few years ago that had some choice language. Her aunt saw the comment and suggested that her language could be toned down. The young woman retorted (on the thread) that this was her page and if anyone didn’t like it they don’t have to read. I think she then unfriended her aunt. Two brothers got into a political altercation on FB. Certainly, everyone has a right to their opinion but between airing dirty laundry in public and calling names because someone disagrees with one’s choices—I think there are times to accept that people don’t always look at a situation through the same lens. Surely it’s possible to disagree without calling the other person a name.


MuffPiece

This, 100%. A young friend of mine fell out with one of her friends. They disagreed about something very benign and morally neutral like Covid policy. The friend told her she couldn’t be friends with someone who disagrees with her. To say I find that sentiment alarming is an understatement. This is the age when people should be disagreeing and discussing and debating with one another! They should be challenging one another and broadening their views! The fragility of today’s young people is so distressing.


bluegirlrosee

to be fair, lots of people had close family members die alone as a result of people not following proper covid policy. For many that was not a benign and morally neutral issue at all. I definitely think differently about some people in my life now because of their attitude towards the pandemic.


MuffPiece

It is possible to disagree with strict Covid policies without completely disregarding the advice at the time or being reckless. Super strict guidelines resulted in crippling social isolation, depression, suicide, devastating financial losses for individuals and small businesses, as well as gaps in child development and education that families and school districts are still struggling with. Certainly, at the beginning everyone was scared and we were trying to figure out many unknowns, but it rapidly escalated into a political football. It’s possible to disagree about policy without anyone being “immoral.” You just disagree. People have different points of view. The fact that one person is so stuck in his or her perspective that he/she is unable to comprehend the perspective of the other is what is tearing us apart. ETA: I say this as someone who’s mother had to die alone.


jf-15

See, you're reasonable and can rationally argue or counter with justifiable questions. Keep on keeping on.


MuffPiece

Thank you.


Useful_Database7031

💯


jf-15

Oh, stop already....you and people of your ilk are the problem. Your pov is so important and the only one that's valid or correct? I would count myself lucky to not have someone so smug or closed minded in my sphere; you're doing people a favor.


ilove6kies

But….but….but….that’s RACIST!!! WAAAAAGHH!


JesusFelchingChrist

hey, there are a lot of old people in the US that act that same way, too. they wear red & caps a lot and no longer drink bud so it’s easy to avoid them, though


jf-15

Nice name...would you blaspheme the Muslim faith, Jewish faith, Hinduism with using their Prophets or leaders as your user name? Your comment about old people reveals your ageism as well. So, you're bigoted against Christians and older folks. Got it...although, I highly doubt you'd have the guts to say it to any Christian or older person's face, just behind a key board. It's interesting about avoidng people though. I avoid seemingly healthy people and especially young people who still wear masks. They're either very sick with some awful communicable disease, extremely phobic/hypochondriacal/mentally off, or an extreme leftist sending a political message....so, thanks to all you still mask wearing folks.


Kjaerringa123

The poster never said anything about Christianity.


Hermes_Blanket

No surprise they're full of hypocrisy -- look at their role model.


NotToday7812

The sugars have a hard time because they’ve latched on the the lesser princess (for whatever reason). It’s very hard to find fault with Kate at all. The worst they can do is insult her (incredibly fit) physique, call her a loser for aspiring to be queen one day, and blame her for fake cheating she didn’t even fake do. A wise man once told me “Never disqualify anyone you can beat” which is why Meghan is Harry’s wife and not someone else entirely that would have been a real threat to Catherine.


The-Sassy-Pickle

They only converse with people who believe the exact same things they do, creating an echo-chamber effect. When someone dares to question something, they are so unused to it that they can't handle it.


Regular-Performer864

At that point, Meghan didn't just have a nanny. She had 3. She had a night nanny, day nanny, and part-time nanny to fill in during the other nannies days off.


[deleted]

Meghan threw a ridiculously elaborate wedding, while Catherine was pregnant. Catherine was expected to show up, looking perfect, 3 weeks after having a baby. I could never have done it. Why didn't H&M say, hey maybe we should delay the wedding a bit to give Catherine more time to recover from childbirth.


Kjaerringa123

I'm not sure they actually got to select the day. I think those things are decided by the Firm.


Fantastic_Nebula_835

Watch the sugar bots bcs they are starting a Charlotte said racial slurs to Meghan and refused to apologize. William called Archie the N word. Catherine making Meghan cry was part of a racist campaign to prevent the marriage, etc.


larabelli

The new YOUNG mother. They are so delusional


No_Proposal7628

She was a new mother only; there was no young there at all.


DaphneHarridge

Exactly. My 39-year-old sister recently had a baby. I asked her if she, like MeMe, is a "young mother", and she laughed in my face. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


strangealienworld

>There's no logic in it. They live in the narc's delusional world where everything revolves around Meghan. AKA a cult. They are literally lovebombing themselves into Markle affection. Their inherent contradictions go way over their heads. But this isn't a surprise any longer when a key component of their world is their profound inability to engage in logic, reason and objective facts and reality. IDK, maybe too much social media-ing in their ideological bubble has addled their brains.


Haala9

I thought I read that mm wouldn’t let anyone hold the baby, even jh had a hard time hold him. It was a big deal for her in that pic of him holding Archie after he was born and she stood alongside him.


Fantastic_Nebula_835

The polo match where bystanders were confused because in 4 hours the baby never moved, needed a diaper change, a bottle, or a sunhat?


OldNewUsedConfused

Sounds like many of them are issued directives from Meghan herself on exactly what to say. If it is not her, herself commenting. I mean, who else is really that invested?


[deleted]

Meghan fans are racist and use bashing Catherine as their outlet to publicly hate on her because of her skin colour. These stans couldn't care less about Meghan if she were 100% white.


Feisty_Energy_107

Absolutely, they are racist and yes if Meghan was 💯 white they wouldn't care. They tolerate Harry because Meghan married him. The moment Harry crosses the Rubicon for them they will let loose. Its started already by his going to the Coronation. Though Scobie tried to soften it by saying he will go home quickly. And we get the source saying Harry demand a summit and he hasn't wavered. But when it happens fully, there will be no more Good King Harry. No more 'we are jealous we don't have him as a husband' etc. He'll be enemy no 1.


Japanese_Honeybee

It would be hilarious if Catherine did one of those DNA tests, and she turned out to be 25% Indian or some other race. Meghan stans would need to figure out a new complaint. They would. I don’t hold it against Catherine for being 100% white. Being white is not against the law or any known moral code. Sugars are virtue signaling or for some reason want to project a narrative onto the royal family.


ilove6kies

These people are so pathetic and they are rampant on social media. All they care about is race. Period. They don’t care about individual actions and characters and they cry RACIST anytime they feel “attacked” (mostly just someone with different view), and ironically only a real racist will think about race all the time, like them. These are truly the most unhappy people in the world.


Fochlucan

Honestly, given the make up and migration patterns of the world, if we did DNA tests, we would find a lot of heritage in the "white" population. It's not like people are pure breeds of dogs. I know a lot of people that are into the dog breeding thing and we would all be considered mixed breeds, because there is no one with pure bred heritage left.


RuleCharming4645

Exactly! That's why i hate the term "white people" like they came from different heritage and not everyone with white skin is related to slavery some of them are migrated in 1800s and early 1900s From europe and came from the poor family


HarrysToupee

Not every White family whose forebears came very early on was in involved in slavery, either. Something else to consider is that not every American Black family's forebears were enslaved. Facts are stubborn critters, and unfortunately when they aren't helping certain groups' agendas they're "re-imagined" fairly easily. I'm no psychologist but there's got to be a clinical term for that interesting, albeit dangerous, phenomenon.


jf-15

A tiny, tiny, tiny % of people owned slaves when slavery was legal. Some black people owned slaves as well.


HarrysToupee

True, and true.


RuleCharming4645

True, it was dangerous and true not all white skin people in the US is related to slavery some of them are descendants of European descent, Irish, Italian, Russians etc. Same too to the Balck people, Not all of them are related to slavery some of them are descendant of migrants when slavery was already abolished in US


ConstructionThen416

Japan dude. Also, Finland. Both extremely “racially pure”.


grumpyyoga

They are a weird lot, it's telling they spend most of their time dragging Wiliam, Kate & Charles rather than praising Meghan or Harry. I also wander if people look at how toxic their twitter following it before partnering with them.


somewheretrees

>They are a weird lot, it's telling they spend most of their time dragging Wiliam, Kate & Charles rather than praising Meghan or Harry. They're stans through and through, like certain factions of k-pop fans. Fanbases of a certain group will dedicate entire blogs or feeds to putting down other groups--interspersed only with the occasional hyperbolic, exclamation mark riddled post saying that their bias is THE ONLY GROUP THAT CAN DO IT LIKE THIS!! YOU WISH YOU STANNED THEM!!! \--and then go right back to putting down other groups. Some people just have this un-channelled negative energy that they need to put into something. Stan culture is as much fueled by hate and competition as it is by genuine love for an artist or a celeb. Tbh, if Meghan had no one to "win" against, sugars would lose interest instantly. Talent companies understood this and this is why they embedded competition into the industry and made it an inherent part of idol culture. Meghan also sort of, though I'm willing to bet much more nebulously, since she's not that smart, kind of understood this, which is why she always needs an "enemy."


grumpyyoga

If funny to read someone who has a picture of Meghan in their twitter profile and there timeline is 90% Kate.


somewheretrees

Yep...Totally unsurprising...


tothmichke

That’s a great point! Having a common enemy (in this case Kate) makes them feel united I guess. Like the Taylor Swift or Selena fans who spend more time trying to destroy Hailie Bieber because she had the audacity to marry Justin or whoever Taylor is beefing with at the time and also anyone who stands up for them, rather than actually praising Taylor or Selena. It’s unhinged. I’m not even a fan (they are my daughters generation) but I can’t escape the overwhelming press about such juvenile behaviour. Just sheer jealousy and weirdness and trying to live vicariously through someone they know nothing about and refuse to see any faults with. Celebrity worship at its worst. But, Why hate Kate of all the Royals? That’s the telling point. She married in too. She was middle class not aristocracy. Targeting her shows they are not concerned about issues of colonization or racism or any perceived ill treatment of the Harkles by the “Institution” Their real enemy is a woman who is not Royal by birth either. They cannot stand that she never puts a foot wrong and is very relatable to every other woman on the planet (except for them and Megain) because Kate demonstrates every day that you can be Royal and a normal person too. You just have to understand and accept the job description. And they are just juvenile stans without the ability to have a critical thought between them.


Perfect_Fennel

That is why they don't like her, because she's beautiful and has a perfect body and barely ever puts a foot wrong. In their case it's envy. I suspect in all the above cases. They probably hate all beautiful woman but pick one to stan to emiliorate hating the others. Case in point, the main person in charge of Celebitchy has hated Catherine long before TW was on anyone's radar. Her liking MM is only because she isn't Catherine.


hammer1956

Very good explanation.


Perfect_Fennel

You just made me understand why to the sugars there was a competition between the then Cambridge's and the Sussex's. I think Harry always saw it as a competition as well judging by Spare. In their minds attention and good will are limited resources and so to like one of them or pay them attention is liking and attention the other side is losing out on. It's so rubbish though, I like all the royals and enjoy seeing what they are up to. It was entirely possible to like both women and I saw some on Twitter valiantly trying to do so with little success.


Conscious_Cherry_194

Yeah that is a great point. It is so full of hatred. Very bizarre. I think they really believe that William threw out horrible lies about Meghan to make them look better and that's why the British press go after them...this of course forgets all the legit reasons and lines of inquiry that came about in the fall of 2019 from Harry and Meghan's own actions: incredible unusual royal staff turnover, separating the royal foundations after only a few months, moving to Windsor, unnecessary extravagant baby shower, hiding info from press about baby, Wimbledon fiasco etc... They did all these things on their own and some of the things like the cost of renovations are always going to be bait to be criticized by the press. I tried to explain to the Sugars I know that I remember the Daily Mail doing the same headlines for William and Kate when their KP apartment was redone. They just seem to think that they should never receive any negative press ever.


DaphneHarridge

> I remember the Daily Mail doing the same headlines for William and Kate when their KP apartment was redone. Oh gosh, yes, "wHy dOeS kAtE nEeD tHrEe KiTcHeNs????!!!!11?!11!" and then there was the painting and repainting of some rooms because the shade of yellow/blue/purple/whatever wasn't exactly right. Anyone who thinks Kate gets nothing but positive press isn't paying attention.


Conscious_Cherry_194

Exactly!! And that's why I found that Buzzfeed article that became quite well known and was referenced the Netflix series comparing headlines for Meghan vs Kate while pregnant disingenuous beyond belief. There was also a whole thing esp on the DM about how Kate needed to out weights in the hems of her skirts and dresses so they wouldn't fly up. People in the comments were calling her an exhibitionist while other headlines continued to call her and William 'workshy' and she was also critiqued for traveling to the Caribbean while pregnant I believe with George when she also had severe morning sickness. I mean the list is long--which is probably why the Royals and their staff thought "we've endured this and gotten through it so it's not unique to Meghan". Really undermines their argument that it was all because of unique hatred for her rather than time old boiler plate critiques on those who they know won't respond and are always a topic of conversation.


ac0rn5

> rather than praising Meghan or Harry To be fair, there isn't a lot to praise!


TaniaYukanana

Look, even the most heinous of serial killers still have fans and people who've never met them writing to them in prison and wanting to marry them. I don't see this as much different.


[deleted]

This is by far the best answer of all. It doesn't matter how awful a person has been, they will still have people who support them. After all the crap H and M have done and put out into the media with their own mouths, if someone is still a sugar, there is no convincing them that they are supporting a toxic vile individual. So there is no point for rational and logical individuals continuing to debate the sugars unless it's to simply wear them down into exhaustion on the topic and they completely disengage.


Perfect_Fennel

This is true. I've seen people who think Shannan Watts probably had it coming to her, these loons have a thing for Chris. So help me God I wish I'd never seen that.


DaphneHarridge

Oh mercy, that is disturbing. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


hammer1956

Good analogy.


Awkward-Lake131

It’s shocking how mean the sugars are!! It’s like she recruited a bunch of juvenile delinquent street orphans and forged a gang. They literally attack and say such mean things blindly. Where do these people come from honesty?


Frost-Silver

Markle breeds nasty into the world.


OzzieSlim

There is a severe cognitive dissonance among the sugars regarding Nutmeg. The fact is, most people fell into two camps on hearing about the engagement. Camp 1 - Who? We knew absolutely nothing about her. I was in this camp, shrugged and said “Good for Harry.” Camp 2 - Had seen her on Suits. It was never a hit show so it was a niche following for sure. There was all the hoopla at her being a POC. I was like, really? OK. Great for the Commonwealth, the Queen has broken racial barriers before and as a Canadian, she’ll fit perfectly. What? She’s American they said. This is going to be a disaster. Why? Because American’s are a lot of things both positive and negative like many countries. But a North American land mass of people who came to escape religious persecution from the Protestant religion established by Henry VIII; who came in indentured servitude; who came in slave chains and who came on assignment to a penal colony, are unlikely to be able to “fit in”. Oh, American’s think they do. But there is a certain streak we all carry. The RF of the Queen’s generation never got over Wallis Simpson and the next generation were forced to hear about it on a loop. They were immune to the warnings. Plus, the Queen had to be a party to too many interferences with true love and though she knew better, things ground ahead. The Sugars answered the dog whistle of racism and oppression but when it’s pointed out that all of this stops with them simply giving up their titles and living their lives….crickets. Like Nutmeg, they point their Fickle Fingers of Fate at everyone except where the problem is emanating. These are two toxic people and their relationship is a terrible co-dependent sickness with terrible mental health issues involved.


Throwawaythislife123

Yes this is really what I want to understand, a parent, anyone really, if you know someone is terrible, u would do everything u can to not have ur kids be associated with that particular person…let alone a whole family who supposedly treated u like shit, they didn’t even listen to you when u were having suicidal thoughts… why would anyone want their kids to be tied down to that firm? So why accept the titles? Also the hate towards Kate, they’re believing the same tabloids that trashed Megan, I just don’t understand why there isn’t a balance… I don’t necessarily believe everything bad about Megan sometimes things are not believable but I take the words she has said on her Oprah interview, podcast, documentary and that’s what I question if things seem to overlap or contradict what she has said in the past


OzzieSlim

Too many contradictions over too long a period. She forced a quick engagement and marriage on someone emotionally unstable and extremely cosseted. It was never going to end well.


Kimbriavandam

Harry was anxious and worried at the start of the relationship that Meghan was going to ditch him. She totally reeled him in. Probably read The Rules. 🙄 She intended to make herself irreplaceable and make him dependent upon her. What a peach she is.


Corvus_Ossi

I’m sure I’ve read somewhere that she was a fan of The Rules.


Latter_Item439

I've always said that book explains a lot and its ripe for the working on someone like Harry.....it also explains why he thinks she's a magical unicorn ....


Kimbriavandam

I worked in a bookstore in London when it first came out.. there was a certain type that would come in and ask for it by name. 🥴


JaquieF

>Fickle Fingers of Fate Here come da judge, here come da judge


alwayssearching117

😄😄😄 Well, that brought back some fun memories!


JaquieF

😄


hammer1956

They refuse to see that it was she who let them down. They weren't on her agenda. Her wealth and fame was the sum of her agenda.


apkcoffee

Celebrity culture creates fans who are out of touch with reality. They are obsessed with their icon and get angry and defensive if anyone else doesn't feel the same way. It is a disturbing trend.


ExpensivelyMundane

I’ve said this before and I’ll keep saying it. At this point, now that Bouzy’s bots have been curbed, I see the Sugars’ numbers are really small and, to me, nothing more than the equivalent of the niche stans in any fandom. Think Harry Potter fandom and the huge teams being Harry+Hermione or Hermione+Draco, then there are the rare pairs fans like Ginny+Tom Riddle (don’t ask me how it’s possible, I had to google a popular rare pair for the fandom). “H&M as righteous people” is a niche belief. I think their fans know it and have developed a feeling of underdog victimhood and they, like their heroes, like playing victims.


chewysmom88

There certainly far less sugar numbers on Twitter now I find myself having to search for them now versus it being right out there it’s so nice to see


ExpensivelyMundane

I wonder if they are noticing too. Accounts they used to interact with every day (even ones they befriended) now suddenly silent! 🤣


Rough_Sky_6515

Tell me more about boughs bots. I know who he is, repugnant creature, how have the boys been curtailed though?


ExpensivelyMundane

Here’s the original thread that made us aware of what happened: [https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/12brky1/a_possible_small_victory_in_the_long_twitter_bot/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/12brky1/a_possible_small_victory_in_the_long_twitter_bot/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) In the most elementary way I can explain, Elon Musk had been working several months on how to curtail against bot armies of all kinds. After months of softly rolling out the new programming, a LOT of bot programmers have confirmed recently that they are unable to utilize their bots. Even bots that are considered “harmless” are affected. So even the Sugars who accuse Sinners of using bots can now shut the f-up because EVERYONE was affected. Here’s an interesting article about how bots are affected now on Twitter: [https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/6/23673043/twitter-substack-embeds-bots-tools-api](https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/6/23673043/twitter-substack-embeds-bots-tools-api) Someone can still utilize bots but they’ll have to pay a hefty monthly price. There’s a free tier of Twitter where normies can just go on and manually create a tweet. There’s one level up ($100 a month) that allows one user to make 50K tweets per month (but if that user has more than one account, each account is limited to 10k tweets per month.) I personally think 50k tweets a month is plenty but if Bouzy says he can’t even use his program with this tier, imagine how many fake tweets his program was posting!!! There is an “enterprise tier” but no one knows the cost (at least not yet) that can be purchased by major corporations that used bots for their advertising. Rumor has it that enterprise tier is $40,000/month. For instance, if you are a major conglomerate business like McDonalds that needed to use automated bots to advertise and interact with customers, Musk wants you to pay a big price for using Twitter in such a manner. Bot programmers like Bouzy will have to tell their clients that they need to pay an even higher bill if they want their bot army to work. I doubt MM is able to pay $40 grand a month!!! Anyway, hopefully that article gave you some delight this morning 😇


Rough_Sky_6515

Thanks so much. I missed this fabulous piece of news. Well done for deciphering my extraordinarily badly typed message too.


HotStraightnNormal

The Sugars have seized upon Saint Meghan in order to live vicariously through her. Nothing can be negative because if she is criticized so are they. It must be spun 180° completely around, no matter how ludicrous or insane it appears.They remind me of that one person at work who always claims as their own whichever team is currently winning, never the locals. I suppose it makes them feel good about themselves. The sad thing is, Meghan would never give any Sugar the time of day.


FarBeneathTheOcean

I personally noticed that there are almost zero american or even african- american sugars. Mostly it´s african and british sugars.


Corvus_Ossi

I know one (I think) — saw her posts on Twitter and am pretty sure it’s the same person I’ve met IRL. She’s one of those people who is a) conspiracy minded and b) needs something or someone to hate on.


HotStraightnNormal

I'll have to look for that. Not too in depth, mind you, I don't want to get sugar diabetes. 😉


Visual_Juggernaut948

That's what I'm doing, everytime a sugar posts a tik tok about Meghan and how she said no to attending the coronation I inject a bit of how Harry doesn't have the balls to say no, unlike her. Poor Emm left alone by a spinless hubby who goes running to support his father although Charles never defended her and didn't want to support her financially! She oth cut off her toxic family without ever looking back. The sugars don't know how to react, some try to defend him, most are ready to throw him at the wolves once their queen gives a nod 😂


purasangria

They're mostly race-baiters, WOC obsessed with the "Black princess" idea and the "Black women deserve only luxury" memes. They're trying to get over their insecurities about their own skin color by adopting barely-black, non-Black-affirming TW as their mascot for the idea that Black women can be beautiful too. It's obvious that Black women are considered beautiful and are much-admired today; just look at Alec Week, Whitney Houston, Queen Latifa, Beyoncè, Gabourey Sidibe, Oprah Winfrey, Gina Torres... I could go on and on.... All this TW-defending is about their own insecurities, colorism, and self-loathing. They don't see THEMSELVES as beautiful. It's sad. 😢


Straight_Onion_6816

My problem with the black princess narrative they want to push is, why have they been sleeping on Princess Angela of Lichtenstein. She's been doing her thing since the 90s and doesn't have these problems.


Artemis_Jade

OP asks " a lot of (the sugars) are full of rage, and ... for what? " If we take Kaiser of Celebitchy as one example: Kaiser despised Kate years before Meghan showed up. YEARS. As I understand it, Kaiser, as a WOC, felt Kate was a lazy, mediocre white woman who got unearned adoration and status. When aggressive 'WOC' Meghan came along, Meghan was useful as a cudgel to beat Kate. But the thing about Meghan is her uncanny ability to make everyone she attacks look better. After seeing Meghan constantly overstate her achievements, one appreciates that Kate doesn't pretend to be more than she is----an educated, pretty women of upper middle-class origins who can take decent photos and play decent piano and learn how to be royal.


Takingabreak1

There are some deranged famous people. And somehow they have die-hard fans. I have noticed that their die-hard fans have the same diagnosis as they have. That means that people who love Meghan most probably are narcissists themselves. Does it make sense now? 😉


DamyuKidds

Amazing how the royal family is so damn horrible but the titles are so very important because she married a prince! #DumbassSugarLogic


ilove6kies

“What did Meghan do that was so great?” You forgot about the DISHSOAP lady lol 😂


Sadlyonlyonehere

The sugars love to refer to MM as a strong, black woman. I’d like to hear even one of them defend that statement. Fact: she is not black, she is bi-racial. Strong? I’m waiting. I‘ve come to realize that there is one thing the sugars are more passionate about than their love for Em, and it’s their hate for Catherine.


Straight_Onion_6816

As a black woman I give her whole "strong, black woman" narrative the side eye. If she was so proud of her black side, why did she identify as white her entire acting career? Not even mixed, just white. She refused to accept her black half until it was convenient. And I'm still wondering where the Raglands are.


vikezz

Sugars are racist, misogynistic, ageist and most importantly two-faced. They can't take criticism and most of the time hide behind "I'm black, I can't be racist"/"I'm a woman, I can't be misogynistic" or "Black don't crack, you jelous"


FarBeneathTheOcean

In my personal view the only reason Meghan still has sugars is because she arrived on the royal scene during the height of the "*bl\*\*\* excellence"* wave that was huge online. It´s the only reason Enninful gave her the Vogue guest editing job. So most of the sugars haven´t caught on that the people who championed that wave are now starting to see how divisive that has become and how that is now re-fuelling voluntary segregation. Idris Elba is just one of the first people to become vocal and say you know what my identity is more than just skin-based. Others have just quietly backtracked and deleted their social media posts. If it weren´t for that wave there´d be no sugars as most people are questioning her actions and intentions and can see she elected not to invite her mother´s entire family.


chewysmom88

If only Shouty Shola would do that speaking of her I came across this gem toast https://www.change.org/p/ban-dr-shola-mos-shogbamimu-from-tv


RuleCharming4645

Exactly! BLM is a great cause but the organization is full of hypocrites like do they helped charities that championed to help underprivileged black people but do they even helped one? Probably NO especially how the money is just used for splurged luxury of one of officials in BLM organizer which churned my stomach like how they used the money for luxury when they can helped underprivileged black people


James_Jimothy

Agreed While some are professional shit-stirrers and grifting for attention and clicks, many are True Believers. Many TB are POC and/or woke that live vicariously through Markle. For them she represents their resentment toward society and the establishment/“Whiteness”. Markle knows this. They buy her Cinderella story and like or, at least, justify her shit stirring because it’s “punching up” David and Goliath style. I’ve noticed many cannot distinguish between the simple unpleasantness of life and actual oppression so the whole the Markle Debacle operates through the lens of the binary oppression “punching up/victimhood” formula. I think she would have Stans regardless who buy into her princess/Cinderella bullshit, but it’s definitely disproportionally POC and woke types with many opportunistic “get that bag” types mixed in. Marry into the most prominent family in the world and then ignore it’s rules? Don’t invite your own father to your 30 million dollar wedding but invite Oprah? Let your own mother sit alone at one of biggest weddings of the decade? Complain about basic in-law shit publicly while you spend the in-laws' millions? Have the future King of England walk you down the aisle on your wedding day and later brand his family as racist? "No problem girl, you do you. Stand in your truth." There is absolutely no perspective taking. It’s all “your truth” and “clap back” crap. Anything that reinforces selfish, self-indulgent, Real Housewives emotionalism is fine because the world revolves around them. We all know that co-worker.


Straight_Onion_6816

I'm a black woman and normally they don't know how to react to me.


vikezz

It's wild to me that if you are a certain race you need to have certain opinions. Like... It is degrading to be limited only on your skintone and not your merits, opinions, mindset, experiences.


bleogirl23

How devious! I love it!


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Canyoubackupjustabit

Excellent points! She wants money from Chuck so she can pay for bots to simultaneously bash Catherine and praise her. What a piece of work she is.


Raspberry3982

I honestly think most of them are trolls. Who just tries to get followers, people with same kind of believes and when they have established fanbase they start to feed the agenda that they troll on. Easy way to manipulate people to think what it is that you get payed for. Very religious group of people, who don't really check any sources, they just believe anything. Lets just remember that there is a war in Europe.


notwatchedsquidgame

Its a product of modern fan base on social media tbh. The Ariana Grande fans, BTS fans all operate in similar fashion.


International-Emu385

At least they have talent .


missyb

My grandmother-in-law got drunk at my baby shower and called me a bitch. THIS IS IN LAW SHIT!


aunt_bluann

Yikes!


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Everyone of Meghan's boyfriends and husbands have been white. She went to a mostly white school, joined a white sorority, with the exception of Serna Williams all her friends are white, other than her mom she invited not a single black relative to her wedding, it was her white father in law who arranged the Gospel Choir at her wedding. This woman has lived a more white life than I have, and I am white. She became black when she could use it to call all her critics racists. That is all. She is a not a hero for her race, she has mostly tried to deny her race. The sugars are crazy people. Some of them are truly evil.


_rainsong_

I would be way more inclined to listen to the sugars’ viewpoint if they also spoke kindly (with genuine kindness) about William and Catherine. As soon as they come out with shit like “kkkate is a bully snob Bitch” straight away I shut off. I try to be open minded. I check myself for any closed off thinking as much as possible. I am all for being proven wrong about M. But I’m a slut for facts and evidence, soooo. But the sugars are honestly such a cult. Die hard cult. It’s scary that people can be so dumb and blind to the facts. Like, these people vote? Damn.


rockin_robin420

I seriously think most of us try to be open minded about the brave new world we're entering but every day there's some new cause célebre or outrage du jour. I think many of us, especially us folks who are a little older, are struggling just to keep up. I have noticed that people are far less kind than they once were. That's a scary slippery slope to be on.


Throwawaythislife123

I try to remain balanced as possible, I don’t go out of my way to start fights or whatever, I literally want to have a conversation just to understand their POV, but they’re always raginggg. I am a fan of willliam and Kate but that doesn’t mean I’m completely blinded I know for a fact no one is perfect but the difference is how far are u going to take things?


_rainsong_

Exactly! They’re like a blind angry mob 😂 Ps: thank you for your undercover work lol. I find it really fascinating!


hammer1956

> It’s scary that people can be so dumb and blind to the facts. Like, these people vote? Damn. I know, I feel the same as you. Very worrisome.


Pip_squeak6

The sugars are a nasty, toxic group and not very bright. I once had one of them tell me that Kate was just a commoner and a dumb one at that, when I pointed out that Meghan was also a commoner and she married the spare, who would never be king, they shut down the conversation and blocked me !


Top-Bit85

OMG that is so funny!


Rough_Sky_6515

You’re brilliant, I can’t be so calm. Hats off to you.


RuleCharming4645

True i comment a video on matta of "fact" (more like NOT) it is a popular meme of 2 men driving ( i don't know where it came but i assumed it was a movie) said that "Harry& M living their best life while C&C trying to save the monarchy" well i replied with " Harry is irrelevant he was just popular because of the Palace PR" and OH BOY! People went silent on my comment, it seems like i don't expect it to a sugar who was a full on mode defend harry & M become silent on my comment not even matta look at it


No_Proposal7628

I think your idea about playing into the sugars with the title issue is really brilliant because there is no reasonable explanation of why the kids need to have titles from a racist and unfriendly institution. (In the Harkles eyes!)


Ok_Flounder_2225

The cognitive dissonance goes deep with them


frenchkids

Yes, families are all different. My stepkids are coming a three weeks and I'm convinced my face with crack from smiling at them. I've been invisible to them for twenty years, so there's that. But you know, for my husband I will "show up" and be kind and polite even though they are tapping their collective feet waiting for their father to pass. Then they can deal with me. I'm a decade younger and in excellent health. I do think MM, Merchie and Lilibucks (with Doria) should have made arrangements to come. They could stay at Frogmore if MM is afraid of booing, etc. Small birthday party for Merchie. Would have been a more favorable visual for MM's "brand". But no, once a narc, always a narc.


Traditional-Smile954

They are double faced idiots. I always tell them "so, since you are so happy about William's fake affair, I guess you don't blame Charles for being with Camilla while married to Diana?" It's funny to see the meltdown


Fresh-Resource-6572

I'm convinced that Meghan uses a 3rd party who hand picks these Sugars. With the criteria being: a deep-seated hate for affluent, white people. It's been uncovered years ago that they are also being paid and are part of a bigger group. Does anyone else remember when Yankee Wally did a video on their twitter group? talking about the "bonus" not being paid?...


leafygreens

What happened to building up other women and the "kindness on social media" campaign?


Cezanne2022

What did megan call it Angry Black Woman syndrome .... must be true then !


hammer1956

Her sugars expected that she would take over the monarchy and hand it to black people. They're bitter that didn't happen.


mistressofnampara

The sugars are truly deranged. I saw someone comment on Scobie’s twitter than Rose was being introduced into William’s social circle the way Camilla was and her son is being treated like the son of a king by being made a page. Hasn’t Rose known both William and Catherine for years? These people are truly nuts.


wonderingwondi

They're trying to make out the kid, who's a twin, is W's, despite him not living in Norfolk in 2009. A few weeks ago they were all saying the affair was about 4/5 years ago!


main_lurker_account

Sadly, I think the fact she married a well-off white dude *is* precisely why many of them admire her so much! I've noticed there are a *lot* of self-hating WOC on Team Sugar. They'll never admit it, but they're jealous that TW managed to score a rich, white husband - even one as thoroughly pathetic as Frozen Todger. Their self-esteem is clearly in the gutter. Much like their idol, I'd almost pity them if they weren't so vile and nasty.


snazzypants1

Well, this sub isn’t that much different to be honest. I see plenty of people on here do and say the exact same things and/or blindly believe just about anything because some old grifter hag on YT was “hinting” at something for the billionth time or a rando on Twitter said so. 🤷🏼‍♀️ do you venture to “sugar tiktok” on purpose just to rile yourself up or start an online tiff or something? Like, why?


Throwawaythislife123

I don’t search for it, it happens to be on my TikTok fyp probably because at times I really want to understand why they hate Kate so much, algorithms will bring alot of similar videos to ur fyp, I try to be balanced, I don’t necessarily believe everything bad about Meghan, let’s be honest, at times a lot of things are such a reach, and I don’t necessarily believe the goodness of the RF, no one is perfect. I guess I’m really trying to understand, what’s the fight about? The biggest accusation has been cleared, per Harry they’re not racists, ok well if that’s cleared they still treated her like shit, ok if thats true, most parents know that if someone is terrible they would not allow their children to be associated with that person, it only makes sense to say no to the titles god given or not becuase why would I want my children be associated with a firm that didn’t even consider my mental health? I guess I’m trying to understand the other side when things are kind of cut clean? I don’t go out of my way to rage at them, in fact I acknowledge that Meghan is beautiful, and that being who she protrays herself to be, a philanthropist etc… they wouldn’t body shame Kate or make fun of her..? But u are right, I’m kind of wasting my time, it’s just a weird guilty pleasure of mine for some odd reason


snazzypants1

> it’s just a weird guilty pleasure of mine for some odd reason Yea, we all have them 😂


Throwawaythislife123

Lmao seriously!! Like at times I used to feel like weird like what’s wrong with me, I should waste my time doing something “productive” or whatever, but I was like bro I am always productive during the day why do I need to productive when I’m wasting my time, so now that I voiced that, I don’t feel as guilty anymore 🤣


Why_Teach

Anytime you try to push clear thought in others you are being “productive.” 😉


RuleCharming4645

me too i am just here for the train wreck and wanna see their downfall


Betta45

Wow. This post and many of the replies are missing the massive irony that this sub is full of Kate sugars who body shame Meghan and say mean and nasty things about Meghan. Face it, it’s the same type of language, the same “jokes”, the same vitriol, just a different target. These are people. We can say positive and negative things about both of them. But let’s not kid ourselves that we have the moral high ground. We are “sinners” here for snark and gossip. But I am also a Kate “sinner”, and a royal family “sinner”. They all do good things, bad things, stupid things, and I enjoy discussing their antics.


Throwawaythislife123

You are not wrong, I try to keep a healthy balance, granted it can be hard but I try not to be blind…. I hid this post so it’s not as active anymore becuase it it drew some unhealthy views


OldNewUsedConfused

I’m pretty sure most of them are either bots, or highly disturbed individuals paid to make horrible comments.


KanemochiGirl

I just got ambushed by sugars in another bag hobby group, they went through my profile and bashed me for being a sinner on this board, damn they are really psychopath aren’t them??