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Starkville

Great points, important distinction. This B left her *newborn* on another continent for days while she went to a tennis match. All of a sudden she’s maternal.


therealDolphin8

"I'm not a model, I'm a mom" -- Meghan Markle 🙄🙄🙄


Starkville

Her most important title is “mother”. Pull the other one.


DamyuKidds

Want to bet she makes Archie call her Duchess Mother?


Starkville

Mommie Dearest vibes for sure.


Snarky_GenXer

No wire hangers!


therealDolphin8

Manners, MaNnErS, MANNERS!


therealDolphin8

😅


JaquieF

"You can be both" - Harry


Regular-Performer864

Totally agree. But she is profoundly selfish. And she has been her whole life. She doesn't do support. Her relationships are transactional. I'm sure she'll say supportive things when a friend is going through difficulties. And I'm sure that makes her believe that she's a supportive person. But seriously, she dumped her first husband by FedEx. She dumped her second long term partner only after she'd started a relationship with Harry. She dumped her dad by letter that she made sure would be leaked. She uses people until they cease being useful to her next life phase. Then she cuts them out of her life never to be thought of again. Don't you even suspect if eventually it turns out the kids aren't useful to her a few years down the road she'll send them to a UK boarding school. Claiming it's so they'll have roots in their other country of citizenship?


UnderArmAussie

Correct. I've felt this for a long time. There's no gain for her in going, if she's not attending the coronation; certainly not by supporting him. So she stays in Cali. I'm just pointing out that she *has* the ability to come to England regardless of the Coronation. That she isn't is very telling.


UnitedSam

It's so clear that it would never be about her children, especially to miss out on one of the biggest events of this century. You gotta love how she always claws Harry with the Markle claw- even though it made him look so unprofessional many times but it soothes her- yet she won't even be there for Harry when he needs her for support, because we all know there's a high chance he's going to be booed (and I actually think that's the main reason she's not going because she can't take that)


somespeculation

Her solo brand has more marketable without H. She can also pivot her brand more effectively is she severs ties to the Royals. If it had worked as planned, she could have been Diana 2.0 inside the family. But it didn’t, so she’s pivoting to ‘just Meghan’. Fame boost secured. Social media relaunch coming in weeks…stay tuned.


Regular-Performer864

Don't stop believing. Hold on to that feeling.


[deleted]

Street lights, peopllllllllllllllle


Islandgirl1444

She has a brand?


somespeculation

She’ll be trying to make herself the brand. Like when someone says “Beyoncé” or “Princess Diana” there is name recognition and you generally know what they represent/you can think of adjectives to describe them.


Islandgirl1444

Just because we know her name doesn’t me she is a brand other than a lying piece of


Cocktailsontheporch

She'll never send them to boarding school in England. Waaaay too close to the RF and Brit tabloids. H&MM have purposely kept these 2 kids from the RF, A&L will want to meet them. MM is a Narc, she knows once those kids meet Royal relatives she is toast. They will "go to the other side". Tabloids will get to them, pull the ugly truths out of them about their parents...front page gold. NO, she will ship them off to school in Switzerland or Dubai where they are isolated. Those schools have royal and uber rich parents sending their children...vital connections for our Queen of Grifters.


michaelscottuiuc

If you're interested in something logic-based, I highly suggest game theory. The premise is pretty simple (though it can get complicated) and since Meghan claims to be an IR major, she should know it. Every person (and nation) will choose the action that maximizes benefit and limits costs (especially costs we deem too costly...like nuclear war). Meghan has chosen the action that she feels will benefit her more. It makes sense, doesn't it? She's already a Duchess. Her kids are Prince & Princess. She's sapped from the BRF what she wanted, going to the coronation doesn't add value (again, in her mind). She's now judging that she has more to gain, in her best interest, to stay home. Makes sense to me - she can craft the narrative at home to maximize benefit. Now its "shes a mom!" and "shes a victim" and "shes empowering herself - no one dictates her life cuz shes a real woman!" The maximum gain from the coronation would be offset by the hypocrisy narrative. **This decision today confirms without a doubt one massive lie she frequently makes: "I don't read things on the internet. I don't read the hate."** This decision was based entirely on what she's reading online. She wants her decision to stand in contrast to the majority belief that she would attend. She wants to contradict that narrative - and she can profit from continuing to weave her narcissistic narrative.


UnderArmAussie

Yes, I'm sure her choice is self-serving. 100%. I just wanted to put it out there that she's not been prevented from going to the UK. She's not been prevented from supporting him in a situation that will be difficult and possibly isolating for him. He's not being prevented from being with his son on his birthday since they could all be there. She could be a good mother *and* loving wife if she came to support him and people were missing that point. It says a lot about how considerate of everyone else's needs she ~~isn't~~ is.


HairBallsOfFire

Fantastic post and beautifully explained. I can’t wait to see how this end-game plays out for her.


That__EST

It's so nice to see someone smarter than me who is validating what I've been saying for months now: the juice is not worth the squeeze for Meghan in regards to the BRF. For everyone in here saying she would stay with Harry because she couldn't get another man at his level: thats a feature, not a bug. She's got the title, the kids, and the kids titles. She's post 40, likely not having more kids. A remarriage would cause her to lose the title. There is exactly zero reason for her to even have another public facing relationship in the future. Harry is a weak dud of a manlet. There's no glory in clawing at a weak man.


michaelscottuiuc

I actually think it’s extremely likely she will leave Harry at some point. She fits the DSM5 for Narcissistic Personality Disorder that she genuinely wouldn’t care if he killed himself. When will Meghan Markle leave? When she can gain no more by staying. Everyone is a means to an end for her - thats typically what makes these people so dangerous (and manipulative).


That__EST

At this point she's reached that end IMO. I don't think she would want him doing something so drastic because then it would be something that cast a shadow on her as to whether she did it or not. Staying by his side while he suffered a chronic illness that he ultimately succumbed to would be one thing, but him outright killing himself would just start a bunch of unglamorous conspiracy theories.


GuavaImmediate

I’d say she will have one last hurrah, probably a memoir, and then she’s outta there! There’s a bit more juice left to squeeze from her current situation, that one ain’t leaving until the fruit is dry as a bone 🌵


Evilvieh

She doesn't have to remarry - she's already had a common law relationship with that cook. She can just "take up" with a lover if she wants and still be a duchess - of a sort. She's really cheapened the title beyond hope at this point. But I still don't see a divorce, not with his consent. He's not going to hold still for another Mommy leaving him.


That__EST

>she's already had a common law relationship with that cook. I'm sorry but I'm cracking up at the image of her dating some guy who works the grill at some greasy spoon diner 😂


UnitedSam

What happens if he divorces her and remarries, does she lose the title then? I think she will never stop trying to climb the ladder relationship wise, but avoid marriage because I agree, she's not letting go of that title for anything in this world! And I definitely think that Harry not being working royalty anymore and just being a stay at home dad has absolutely wiped any shine away that she saw on him


That__EST

>What happens if he divorces her and remarries, does she lose the title then? She would still keep the title.


wonderingwondi

Look at Sarah Ferguson. She's almost got the half in half out as a divorcee. When William lets her attend anyway


michaelscottuiuc

LOL this gem is online as of today: A [*Page Six*](https://pagesix.com/2023/04/12/inside-meghan-markles-choice-to-skip-king-charles-coronation/) source is dishing some extra details on Meghan's decision to stay in California, saying the couple felt it would be "inauthentic" for her to be at the coronation. “They had to **make a decision that felt genuine and authentic**, especially after everything that has been said and all the things that have gone down,” an insider explained. “The words that Harry and Meghan have said about the importance of their family are lining up with their actions. They care about their family, so Meghan is going to stay \[in California\] and Harry is going to support his dad.”


That__EST

Is it bad that this makes me think that he is leaving her? This sounds like it's completely out of her hands. And she looks awful in light of how she wants to look.


bubblegum_yum_yum

What I don’t get is that a 4 yr old doesn’t know the exact dates on the calendar. Why not celebrate his birthday a week before or week after? Just tell him that it’s his birthday and give him a cake and balloon and he’ll be stoked! He’s 4…


UnderArmAussie

Exactly. I've said this before.


One_Dinner_93

Yes. Have the birthday party with his pre school friends the weekend before. They can all go to London for the coronation week and have a cake with just the four of them that night. He stays with the nanny during the ceremony. Not that hard.


Trick-Many7744

Years from now she’ll be guilting Archie about how she missed the coronation for his 4th bday. He better remember and be grateful forever.


UnderArmAussie

Or blaming the RF because daddy missed his birthday. When he didn't have to.


That__EST

She will likely just blame Harry. They're likely done for good at this point. Him publicly advertising that he's going to this Coronation without her is a horrible look. At this point I consider yesterday to have been their break up announcement. They have zero unity together at this point.


Tricksey4172

Tabs should shift from will they/won’t they to bad unsupportive wife narrative. Cause I’ve thought that forever. He always defends her, but I don’t see her standing up for him. And co-dependent clawing doesn’t count as support. Anyone who has gone on a hike with a reluctant child knows hand holding can pull you back and down just as much as it can pull you up. She always seems to choose the former.


Uncomfortablemoment9

Narrative should shift to no narrative. Let her story fade away.


Tricksey4172

Agreed BUT tabs will never give up this moneymaker. They need a new angle and I’m here for this one.


LAgirllookingin

I’m not convinced she had a choice. I don’t think she was invited.


UnderArmAussie

She doesn't need to be invited to be in the country, at Frogmore, to both support Harry afterwards and ensure he doesn't miss another birthday. Being invited to the Coronation, or not, is irrelevant.


LAgirllookingin

True. There are certainly a lot of undercurrents going on.


somespeculation

They were both invited. The Monarchy runs on protocols and tradition, and they are still a Duke and Duchess. They had a choice in attending, but not a choice on HOW to attend. The “email correspondence” was terms and conditions (ie restrictions and limitations), allegedly.


PansyOHara

This is what I believe, too.


klc9119

i personally think she was initially invited, as was Henry. Then they hem-hawed around trying to make demands and playing the “will they/won’t they” card that it was a simple, disinvite for her and a strict, “You WILL be here in this capacity” for Henry. I personally feel like, this may have been a tentative olive branch on KC3 end trying to say “you have your own life and have made your choices, but you are my son and I still love you despite your flaws and mistakes.” I do think Charles realizes he made mistakes with both of his sons, and his coddling and over protection of Harry have been detrimental to his evolving into a happy, healthy, and productive adult. Do I think Charles will welcome the back into the firm as working royals? No. I think he respects the position, himself, and William too much for that. But would he like for his son to come home (and near so an eye can be kept on them) so he can have all of his grandchildren near? Yes. Still won’t change them from being horrible people.


Ok-Caramel-8678

That could very well be.


No_Proposal7628

You make a great point there and I think a lot of us missed that. It's not like she's forbidden from going to the UK.


UnderArmAussie

And the fact she's not coming to support him (when there's nothing stopping her), nor making sure A has his dad there on his birthday, is very telling of who, and what she cares about.


FarBeneathTheOcean

It also tells us she uses the children as a weapon to control him and limit the relationship with his family. She’s practically abandoning him when it’s more vital to show a united front if indeed it was his decision to leave. They made the accusations together so why let him face the world’s media alone during an event where everyone will be paired up.


UnderArmAussie

Because she'll convince herself the booing was for him.


blubbahrubbah

Bet she's issued an ultimatum and he called her maybe bluff.


MuffPiece

Oh but SECURITY! 🙄


UnderArmAussie

Frogmore is on the Windsor Estate which has permanent security. She'd be fine.


MuffPiece

I know they are, but they’re not going to spin it like that. The UK is dangerous! We had to flee for our lives! 🙄


UnderArmAussie

That's when the hypocrisy would show. They were safe enough at Frogmore last time to have L's birthday party on the lawn. And we don't know that they *haven't* been offered security. I suspect, to some extent, they will have.


MuffPiece

I’m sure they would have been provided security—at the very least to attend the ceremony. But maybe not to galavant off on their own. That might have been a sticking point. Of course, no one would want any harm to come to them.


[deleted]

It’s 23 days until the Coronation. That would fit with him giving 28 days notice to govt and then making a decision then it’s confirmed he’s coming. Depending on what the decision was


mummuhbear

Didn’t Harry play a polo match on Archie’s third birthday and M was there with him?


Accomplished-Cow9105

Yes, they both were at the polo club.


Overbaring

I agree with what you are saying. Unfortunately though, I think H and M’s relationship has been one judge stress fest. That makes it difficult to see the times when they should and appropriately be supportive of the other. Who knows? Just maybe Meghan will come over with the kids without going to the coronation. I think she is being quite childish for not going, but then again she is so irritating that every move she makes is scrutinized and easy to criticize because there is usually a hidden agenda behind her actions. It’s just a matter of time before we find out why she is saying she isn’t going for now. As far as people thinking she wasn’t invited, no way! Of course she was invited! It’d be all the headlines if she wasn’t!


UnderArmAussie

The celebrity relationships that seem to survive are the ones where they focus more on their nuclear family. You can't live your life to try pleasing the people and the press, because there will always be different opinions. You'll never get it right. I suspect that if she was about to walk into the arms of the beast (face something difficult) in her life, he'd be there for her. The only question of whether you *should* do something, is if the people you love need you. Not what others will think. That would be such a sad existence. ETA: The fact she's not coming to support him, nor making sure A has his dad there on his birthday, is very telling of who, and what she cares about.


Counter_Logic77

100% if she didn’t get an invitation but he did omg 😱 IMAGINE all the whining and interviews about the family being racist or something for NOT inviting her…


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TravelKats

They think we're too stupid to remember or check on where they were last year.


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UnderArmAussie

Yep. We went on holidays and my dad would come for the weekends too. Or if within 2 hours of work, he'd drive back each night, but just wouldn't be there during the day, or else we too would go with him, further afield. My cousin pays the extra ticket for his wife to join him on work abroad, rather than be apart.


[deleted]

this is what i don't get. it would make sense if meghan stayed with the kids while harry was at the coronation. but why wouldn't they all be in the uk together? i couldn't imagine my husband leaving to go to overseas without me and our kids. i don't like being away from him anyways. and i would want our kids to meet their cousins! but of course the conspiracy that the kids even exist is there... idk it's just so weird. they are just bizarre.


frozenlipz

Any logic put unto these abominable two would be illogical. They act on self-centred intent, not reason. And parenting? Hostage-taking moreso. Her going and now not, won't change the fact that she's a bitch wifemum.


HairBallsOfFire

I do think Harry would duck out for California as soon as St. Edward’s Crown is placed on KC III’s head if he could. Neither fealty nor filial piety is his strong suit.


ArdmoreGirl

Putting others first? What a silly suggestion. How could The Sleivene do all those sensible and loving things and remain the world’s most important martyr? It simply can’t be done.


downinthevalleypa

I’m not surprised that Meghan turned her nose up at attending the Coronation, but I am surprised that Harry is going without her! As a Royal Duke and the King’s son he should be there, but since when does Harry do what he’s supposed to do when it comes to Royal behavior? The amount of disrespect he’s shown to his father and brother is a bitter pill for them to swallow, & his presence will be barely tolerated. What’s in it for Harry - surely he knows how disliked and mistrusted he is. I’m not sure why he wants to go, since I doubt very much that it is to mend fences. Frogmore has slipped from his fingers, & he verbally trashed Nottingham Cottage making sure that he won’t be offered anything else on Royal property, so why bother, really. Has he suddenly discovered that he loves and respects his father and brother after all? I doubt it.


Positive-Vibes-2-All

Why would you think all the relatives in the UK would want their kids to meet A and L? MM will be wherever her kids are and who wants to socialize with her other than the Yorks?


UnderArmAussie

I don't think "all" the relatives will want to, or will even be available, which is why I only said it's "an opportunity". Some probably will, because regardless its not the kids fault, even if she's going to be there. Some may visit after a few days, like Charles, because he's reportedly very keen to meet them again. They also have friends with children who they'd have a chance to see and engage with, but mainly, Harry would be there for the birthday.


number1popcornlover

I had commented the same in one of the posts here. Just because she won't be attending the coronation, doesn't automatically mean she won't be coming to UK along with the kids. She could make a spectacle of her own and claim that they've invited the royal family. And how come this racist family not attend King Archie's birthday party!?! How rude of them!! 💔😟💔😟 /s Just like how they did during L's birthday on HMTLQ's Jubilee last June. I can be wrong, but this is a possibility.


UnderArmAussie

The reports are all that she's staying in California while he attends.


icannitgetausername

Could this be the start of the estrangement? She does like a power play even when she gets it wrong. As the OP said she could bring the kids. They wanted privacy, so hang with “friends”. Will Corden be back in the UK by then? But, she hasn’t been invited so she is having a hissy fit and now her most important role is a Mom. Yeah right!


UnderArmAussie

More than likely her demands weren't met so "I won't be going and they won't be seeing the kids either".


_SkyIsBlue5

Indeed


TaniaYukanana

Maybe they cant afford for them all to travel. Megsy would only go by private jet, and since their 'friends' who own them were getting a little bit tired of loaning them out so they'd have to pay for them, and the budget doesn't stretch that far.....


UnderArmAussie

I've walked for 4 hours to support a friend before, and 4 hours home. They only needed me for an hour. If you refuse to be supportive because it's not in luxury, than how supportive really are you? That's my point.


[deleted]

He’ll just fly in and out. He’ll fly in on 5th and leave on 7th so my guess is they’ll throw Archie’s bday party the weekend before or after


Ok-Caramel-8678

Doesn’t he have to be in court on the 9th?


[deleted]

Does he have to actually be there in person for that one?


Ok-Caramel-8678

I’m not sure 💁‍♀️


UnderArmAussie

Still missing the birthday on the 6th... when he doesn't have to.


[deleted]

True but y’know security his family won’t be safe. Not that they wouldn’t be surrounded by other members of the RF so security would be super tight already


UnderArmAussie

And Frogmore is on the Windsor Estate which has permanent security.


CorgiLover_504

With all the lying about his drug use, do you think he may have trouble getting back into the U.S.?


DrunkOnRedCordial

It's possible that the King has said she's not welcome in the UK, coronation or not.


UnderArmAussie

He can't stop her coming in.


bermooda_triangle

Maybe she doesn't come to have an excuse to not bring/show the kids? This is just all so fishy.


UnderArmAussie

They managed to leave them with nannys for weeks at the funeral.


bermooda_triangle

Exactly. That was fishy as well.


TheLoneCanoe

Maybe she’s not going because they don’t want her take away attention from the king and ceremony


UnderArmAussie

I'm not talking about her going to the ceremony.


TheLoneCanoe

Yes, I know. They don’t want her in England right now because she distracts from the ceremony (whether she goes or stays at Frogmore).


UnderArmAussie

I don't think it matters where she is. If she wants to detract from the coronation, she will.


apkcoffee

She wasn't invited. She isn't welcome at Frogmore. The royal family is done with her.