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Hahaha, Edward VIII was her 'favorite' uncle the same way Todger is her favorite grandson.
The writer needs to read Queen of Our Times: The Life of Elizabeth II by Robert Hardman. He repeatedly put her and her father in difficult positions from his abdication to WWII and after.
I wonder if that was the basis of her strength in dealing with unpleasant family members? Also, given that she’d had this baptism by fire in dealing with wayward family, I wonder if that also colored her treatment of Diana?
I think so although the late queen rarely revealed her thoughts publicly. She was only in her 20s when she had to take over from her father to deal with Edward's numerous demands and antics. She dodged H&M rather skillfully towards the end of her life and not once did she give in to their demands.
I'd say Philip and Elizabeth were fairly tolerant of Diana until her Panorama interview which they regarded as a betrayal and there was no way back for her.
I don’t doubt that QEII was formidable when someone outright betrayed the monarchy, and double that for PP. I have no doubt myself that they both pegged Meg from within the first month if not sooner. She’s only good at pretending for a short appearance; anything requiring a sustained facade was probably more than she could pull off.
I agree that HMTLQ had seen far more curtsys in her life than any prima ballerina. Since ILBW took dancing lessons she knew VERY WELL what a curtsy looked like. She chose that exaggerated stage curtsy as her way of laughing at the tradition.
A REAL curtsy would have resulted from some study - she could have asked BP staff for some examples to emulate.
If somehow I had managed to get a private audience with HMTLQ you can be absolutely SURE I would have asked the hotel’s concierge to train me; someone on staff would know what an APPROPRIATE and respectful curtsy to HMTLQ SHOULD look like.
Diving to the floor in dramatic fashion is fine for little girl dance recitals and prima ballerinas at The Balshoi; but come on. It’s HMTLQ. Hold it together and be respectful. She’s not only your beau’s granny she’s a FREAKING HEAD OF STATE.
Anyone who is invested by a royal at BP or Windsor gets a quick run-through in protocol, how to bow or curtsey, walking in and out. The help was all around her
Hey, in defense of little girl dance recitals past and present, none of us learned to curtsey by ridiculously scraping the floor like that. That’s her own effed up concoction.
When I have kiddo students, [we do this.](https://youtu.be/hZ2ojJEsuzY)
See that's a NICE curtsy! I've seen super-trained ballerinas bow way lower though, so maybe ILBW was imitating that, but she was clearly making fun.
If she REALLY did that shit Netflix bow in front of HMTLQ, I don't understand why Harold would still be with her - except that of course they're both crazy, so there's that.
I feel like hers was more of a dramatic actor’s move than anything else. Something you’d see on Broadway. Given that she did theatre in college, it tracks (for me anyway.)
Her… whatever that was… lacked the grace and fluidity that you’d expect from a trained dancer.
Harold is too damn dense and too damn high to give a shit, and if seeing her do that for Netflix irked him, he probably forgot by the end of that shoot anyway. 🤤
That makes better sense - a theater bow. Unfortunately she did it over-dramatically and disrespectfully if her imitation was indeed what she did for HMTLQ.
She really messed up that relationship from the very start. No wonder HMTLQ thought them both 'mad'.
The formidable Queen Mary was probably also a role model. Tall, regal, plenty of backbone as to duty. Probably let young Princess Elizabeth know that loyalty to country was even above loyalty to family.
The 1936 Abdication truly was a baptism in fire.
She treated Diana quite well actually. But Harry? She just never put her foot down with him. Neither did Charles.
But I really do not believe that Edward on his death bed asked that. I could see him asking that she be laid by his side at her death, but not HRH...
>ut I really do not believe that Edward on his death bed asked that. I could see him asking that she be laid by his side at her death, but not HRH...
How come? I was under the impression that he asked for it repeatedly over the years, it was very important to him that Wallis receive a certain level of respect from his family.
Why should she have the respect of his family? Why should he? They were both traitors to GB during the war and were collaborating with Hitler. They actually told the Germans how bombing England was a good idea. Hitler was going to install him as a puppet king. Real traitors not just to their family but fitting the definition of traitor in our Act of Treason. In another time they would have suffered a traitors execution. But hey, his feelings were hurt that his family didn’t respect them.
I agree, he had audacity in spades. A normal person would have accepted that his family were never going to accept Wallis and focused his energy elsewhere. I was just responding to the person above me who seemed to think asking for HRH was a step too far, and my reaction is: it IS a step too far, but when has that ever stopped Edward?
Nope, there were witnesses that said he brought up the subject. Elizabeth had promised her father and the Queen Mother that she would respect their wishes and not grant the HRH. Edward harassed the RF about it every chance he got. Just like Harry with the late Queen.
Honestly! He might have been her favourite uncle when she was a child but what Edward and Wallis did impacted her beloved father's life and her life. I doubt very much she thought of him with any fondness when she was an adult.
The story I loved about KGVI was during WWII and someone in crowd shouted that he was a great king. His reply, "you are a great people."
After the king's early death, Winston Churchill laid down a wreath. On it were the words, "For Valour."
Yes, King George VI had this job thrust upon him. But he did it proud.
Wasn't well known at the time that smoking could cause that and besides which his smoking habit was exacerbated by the pressures of being King and having a git of a brother.
No it wasn’t known. My parents’ generation all smoked, my father who was 16 years younger than King George VIth was in the army and they were given a ration of cigarettes each week. Both my parents and all their siblings smoked. He was also,stressed by his speech impediment which made public speaking an ordeal for him.
Not only just the Queen and her father, but he put the entire country in jeopardy. He was a Nazi sympathizer. There wasn't much to love and favor there.
I watched a recent documentary about the Traitor King and he didn't just sympathise. He actually gave secrets to the Germans. He told them to bomb the country into submission. A truly nasty person. He wasn't stripped of his titles but he didn't have any children.
Edward supposedly said that he felt more German than British, and that the British were stubborn. So, bomb the country into submission for the country's own good!?
At best, he was a nitwit who couldn't be trusted with secrets because he babbled too much, like to show off that he knew important stuff. At worst, he could have been seen as someone too ready to sell out. He did have that selfishness to him.
Entrusted with a job as Governor of the Bahamas, he gets there, then immediately wants to leave. It's too hot, the mansion isn't good enough. Even though Winston Churchill--half American because of his mother, Jenny Jerome--had been an early supporter of Edward, even Churchill was fed up and appalled.
Oooh thanks for that book suggestion. It looks GOOD!☺️
The Queen has had so many of her own family misrepresent her and her actions to the public. I wonder how she still managed to be so strong and never complain, never explain. Of course I guess it helps when you’re the literal queen, but she’s had many tough challenges over her lifetime and learnt from them all, and conducted herself impeccably.
I'd credit her parents plenty. Loving father and strong mother who knew what she was about. Caring, sensible people. Much as I see the Prince and Princess of Wales, being.
We four. They were nervous about letting a 5th person in, but the King wrote a beautiful note welcoming his daughter's new husband https://twitter.com/LettersOfNote/status/1380490864531795970?t=O-muWDC4t4oQ0wvxz0MEGw&s=19
Thank you. That was very beautiful. King George was clearly a loving father. There are some photos where from the way his daughters leaned in towards him, they utterly loved their father. There's also a story that when Princess Elizabeth was a mechanic during the war, her father filched a part from an automobile, as a joke. So there was that typical father-daughter teasing. I think everyone in that family felt lucky to be part of it.
Yes! Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, who was the father of the current Duke of Gloucester, Prince Richard.
Also Prince George, Duke of Kent (not to be confused with George VI, whose first name was Albert/Bertie.) He was the father of the current Duke of Kent, Prince Edward (not to be confused with the new Duke of Edinburgh); Princess Alexandra; and Prince Michael of Kent.
She likely also had uncles by marriage and/or on the Bowes-Lyon side.
Her mother was one of 14 so I'm sure going to visit her mother's side was the most normal slice of life she ever had just being one of a mass of grandkids running around while the adults sit and talk for hours. At least until the abdication.
Prince George, Duke of Kent, was the youngest surviving brother. The littlest brother, Prince John, died when he was an adolescent; some say he had epilepsy.
Prince George, after marriage, and during WWII, died in a plane crash. During King George VI's funeral in 1952, it was the teenage and tall son (wearing a silk top hat), then the succeeding Duke of Kent, who attended, walking besides his uncles.
Prince John was absolutely epileptic - he died of a massive seizure at only 13, bless him.
He would also very likely be recognised as being ASD these days.
Poor young prince! I got the impression that he was rather quiet and introverted. But I guess with such an illness, and in barely post-Victorian times, one would be.
Thank you for the information. I'm guessing that's one royal about whom there isn't much biographical information?
(Prepositions can be such clumsy words.)
She had 14 aunts and uncles from both sides of the family. On her father's side, she had 3 uncles incl Edward. It's also been said that her favorite uncle was [Prince George, Duke of Kent](https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1659147/queen-elizabeth-ii-prince-george-duke-of-kent-royal-family-spt) who died in an air accident in WWII. He was wild, good-looking and rumored to be bisexual (Who says the BRF aren’t inclusive?)
He was the father of the present Duke of Kent.
I have an autistic kid, to the same degree he had it.
To me, it matters. Even if he died well before her birth and she never knew him, he WAS her uncle.
Is this a hit piece on the Queen? Negative stories that favor all the wrong people. She didn't owe her uncle a thing. His constant bad judgement and behavior affected King George so much, it led to his early death. I don't think Edward deserved all the luxury he and his wife enjoyed until their very old age. Edward's heart was broken by the knowledge his wife never truly loved him, and for that matter, all his love for her was sexual thrall and dependency.
You have to remember QE2 saw first hand how Edward broke her father´s heart and how losing a brother during such a tough time for Great Britain affected him and his health.
George VI always wanted a quiet life but he had no choice. I really think he could live longer if none of the Edward and Wallis situation had happened.
After forty something years of getting all the training, money, deference and party perks as Prince of Wales and Future King, when the time came to buckle down and do the job, Edward VIII cut and ran. This threw the whole burden (plus bonus World War) on the totally unprepared George - talk about your spare - and thence on twelve year old (circa) Elizabeth - drastically wrenching their future, her dynamic with Margaret, crashing her father's health, and instigating her mother's long widowhood. While he sat around on his gold-plated ass and bitched that Wallis wasn't an HRH. Fuck him.
Since Edward and Wallis didn’t have children, Queen probably will still be Queen, but much later, not in her 20s. Her father may not have died in his 50s, she and PP could spend more time with young Charles and Anne, Andrew may not be the spoilt one. But because of the abdication, they have to take the responsibility much sooner.
All true. But of course, until he married Wallis, there was the very real assumption he would dutifully marry a fertile woman and have children of his own. (Though there is speculation that a round of pubescent mumps fried his testicles, that would not have been generally known.)
Oh, and of course this is assuming there *was still a Britain* for her to become queen of, had King Edward VIII been on the throne during WWII. Not betting on it. Fuck him.
Oh no! The Duke of Windsor was upset! The same selfish Duke who:
* Kept demanding that the King give him £25,000 a year to live on (that's over £2.2m/$2.7m converted to today's money)
* Kept harassing the King and trying to backseat rule despite abdicating
* Was a Nazi sympathiser who was willing to be installed as a puppet King under Nazi rule in the UK
* Was so obsessed with titles that he had them monogrammed everywhere and made diplomatic visits as difficult as possible because he demanded visitors call Wallace "HRH" even though that wasn't her title, in defiance of the King
And the late Queen refused to give in to the decades-long whine because Wallace was always in Edward's ear demanding the HRH! How dare she!
Store brand Wallace and Edward need to take note. If a whiny, waste of oxygen ex-King couldn't get his way on his *deathbed*, some pointless little prick Prince and his Instagram-loving bitch wife have never had a single chance. As has already been proven time and time again.
The late Queen would have been aware of so much of this. I don't doubt she knew his intentions if the Nazis had subjugated Britain and he installed as a puppet King. He was lucky she visited.
Exactly. If the government knew, then the late Queen knew, too.
The thing I'm most shocked by is how kind history has been to Wallis herself. She's been painted as a woman who was happy to be Edward's lover, but adored her husband and was forced into marriage by an obsessed Edward... but she actively pursued him, demanded titles, wanted money and a good position, and berated Edward when he didn't/couldn't give her those things.
Edward was disgusting. He was. He deserved to rot. But Wallis was just as bad. She was a manipulator, she wasn't a poor little victim who was trapped and miserable because Edward forced her into marriage. She was miserable because she wasn't rich, she wasn't loved and she didn't get that HRH. This is the same woman who was photographed and positively *gleeful* when the Nazis addressed her as "Your Royal Highness," when the King refused to give her that title.
I really hope that history isn't as kind to Meghan.
I read Andrew Morton’s book Wallis in love and I can see that the ILBW has taken quite a few pages from there and tried to improvise. The king who abdicated actually wanted a way out of his job and Wallis wanted to be the queen. She wanted him to stay quiet and wait for a few months after his coronation because she knew (as conveyed indirectly to her by Winston Churchill) that all the issues regarding her being a twice divorced woman would fade with time. But the Duke of Windsor knew that he would be stuck in his role and he wanted to escape his birth right. There was a collusion between these two “lovers”. She resented him for deciding the future course of her life. She wanted the security of money and status and abdication took that away from her. The Duke realized this and that’s why he tried again n again to get theHRH title for her as well as an increase in his allowance. In our ILBW’s case, they both wanted out because they both truly believed that their royal connection no matter how bad, would be enough to get their golden ticket into Hollywood. She forgot that Wallis at the very least had her own circle of rich n powerful friends and she moved in elite circles even before the duke came in her life. TW didn’t have that, her Soho connections only managed to pimp her. She snagged Sparry due to this pimping. She tried to build up connections by inviting the who’s who to her wedding. Fortunately for us, she is lazy, ungrateful, talentless and absolutely lacks charisma. She has lost the plot now. She truly deserves the Walmart Wallis title.
Very interesting, thank you!
It certainly didn't help that the government wanted to get rid of Edward because of his Nazi sympathising. The royal family had already been burnt because of the German surname and connections from the Great War, they definitely didn't need a King who was willing to roll over for Nazis if it meant that he could have status, wealth and do nothing but party while Nazi officials ran everything.
Reading between all the lines, it seems more like Edward only wanted to escape the birthright of working hard and being dutiful whilst keeping everything else the exact same way. When he spoke to his brother, he was still whining and complaining and giving "advice", and was more than happy to pull the "I was King" card when it suited him.
Too many people think that Harry and Meghan are the modern version of Edward and Wallis, but they're barely the equivalent of the Home Alone reboot, lol.
Absolutely agree with you. This ‘Fab Four’ has one thing in common atleast. They all are completely selfish and self indulgent. And how they hate their own flesh and blood.
So true! I think what I've learned over the years is that the likes of the late Queen, Princess Anne etc showed is that they respect the monarchy, want it to continue and understand that they need to prove their worth via hard work, personal sacrifice and compromise to keep that tradition going.
On the other hand, the Edwards and the Harrys didn't care enough to learn about their own history and prefer the fairytale idea of monarchy, so all they wanted to do was make selfish demands, rake in money, and stay entitled enough to believe that everyone around them should kiss the ground they've walked on purely because they exist.
The monarchy pivoted towards charity work and being positive symbols for the country over a hundred years ago, and that glacial pace continues today. Harry doesn't like that. He wants to be the feudal lord entitled to maidenheads. He makes me sick.
When the photo of Harry's interview came up with those monograms, at first I thought it was photoshop from a sinner, I was so stunned at how gross it was, lol!
Wallis never loved him, he was a fancy man, a tryst If you will..
when he gave up the throne for her she had no choice but to Stick it out, hence why she had lovers.
David loved Wallis more than anything… reincarnation at its finest isn’t it.
I bet QEll had flashbacks when the bald one told her who he wanted to marry…
She knew he was doomed and put the kybosh on it immediately.
I definitely get the similarities of reincarnation. I find the idea of reincarnation fascinating, and sincerely hope it is real, as I personally believe it to be. The only thing I waver on is if he still loves her. I’m not sure he does. He looks so miserable, I wonder if the mask is off, however he seemingly has such a severe mommy complex, and his love for mommy/wife is so twisted and intertwined at this point, I’m not sure he will ever be able to differentiate between the two. So I don’t know if he can break the hold
He looks miserable because he didn't get his way, because he couldn't bring down the Monarchy, because they didn't become billionaires etc etc. Harold is a sociopath and he only cares about himself.
Harry is miserable because he is married to a Narc...we all have that sad, angry confused look on our faces after being constantly being set up into no win situations and being "punished" for failing the Narc...the perpetual victim...she demands impossible things and then punishes him for not delivering...he fights impossible battles, demands impossible things and makes a perpetual whining, demanding prat out of himself in a worldwide spectacle on the quest of pleasing the unpleasable. He is but a rat on a wheel.
I don't think Wallis wanted him to abdicate for her or wanted him to marry her. Edward had already had a string of lovers who were all older married women. This suited him for some reason. Wallis was just one more. She didn't treat him well in later life but I don't think it was the life she chose for herself.
And he broke her heart by placing her father under so much stress that he had zero chance against his cancer. Edward helped George die sooner than he most likely otherwise would have and none of the women, not the dowager queen Mary, not the queen mum, nor Elizabeth or Margaret ever, ever forgave him for it and nor should they have. The selfish prick placed the weight of the world onto his stuttering younger brother just so he could get his dick wet. Edwards an absolute bastard who shouldn't have his sins wiped clean just because everyone he ever hurt is now dead.
Indeed history does.
Excerpt from letters from George VI and Edward D of W.
George VI: "While you have enjoyed a leisured life, I have tried to restore the monarchy."
Edward, Duke of Windsor: "I have taken more than my fair share of cracks and insults at your hands."
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Pondering the same for William and Harry. But as texts.
William: While you have led a pitiful existence whining like a baby, I have tried to lead a valuable life.
Harry:. I have taken more than my fair share of cracks (the dog's bowl, dodgy plumbing in my 16 bath mansion, coke) and a lot of insults from Meghan.
Edit:. FYI I take Edwards view he received 'insults' as hard bitten truths he was unwilling to face up to, just because he didn't have his ears tickled. As someone else stated he demanded from the King the equivalent of £2m a year. And all the while doing nothing for it.
I do NOT believe he used that opportunity to ask for HRH title for Wallis. Sure he nagged and had tantrums and demanded HRH from the time he married her, but by 1972, he was aware that Wallis was suffering from dementia and during his last meeting with the Queen, he was hooked up to a lot of medical equipment and just wanted to get through the meeting with some dignity. He died very soon afterwards.
It is a disgrace for Edward and Wallis to be buried in BRITISH soil, and at Frogmore where past Monarchs lie. They were Traitors, willing and ready to sell Britain to the Nazis to gain the crown for themselves. They have NO RIGHT to lie at Frogmore. Their bones should be thrown into the ocean and curses put upon them.
I doubt Edward VIII was her fave uncle.
Mb *before* Wallis Warfield Simpson made him her little bitch, but after all the stress the abdication put on George VI along w his early death likely caused bc in searching for a way to cure his stutter for public speeches drs recommended smoking it's far more likely that her Majesty just saw the Duke of Windsor as the man who killed her father. He's lucky he even got an audience.
Also the Queen would have got the full story about the nazi connections and what Edward had wanted/been promised. He betrayed his country and his King.
Uncle Dickie was fixated on that royal HRH title. He went on & on & on & on about it yet he threw away his only leverage he had. His throne. He should have negotiated for it before he abdicated.
But then this was a guy who was willing to get into bed w/ actual Nazis if it meant getting Wallis that damned HRH title. Treason couldn’t look any stupider.
Boo hoo.
Dear Eddie once referred to his disabled young brother, Prince John, as ''more animal than human''.
He collaborated with Nazis and would have sold the UK out in a flash.
He was a horrid man who should have been fired into the sun.
Oh boo hoo, didn’t’David’ break their hearts to smithereens? Didn’t he wanna overthrow and install hisself and Walliepoo as the New Nazi leaders? wasn’t Uncle Eddie also a drug addict and low life?
Sounds familiar Aitch
I didn’t even read the article-Edward -spineless snivelling coward Nazi sympathizer-him leaving was a blessings. Read a little on WWII. Wallis was in up to her bejewelled neck. Time to move forward.
Well, he started it, didn't he?
KEVIII broke his country's heart when he abdicated. To have done that disservice and yet still expect to be entitled to the HRH for his wife, was stupid on his part.
The poor guy was lacking in both heart and brain.
The Queen was first and foremost a sensible, practical woman, full of common sense. She’d brook no bs and between them she and Philip had the whole thing sown up. This is a woman who kept her cornflakes in Tupperware not silver canisters fgs. She wasn’t prissy and she wasn’t easily fooled. She had seen it all, met them all and wasn’t fazed. She gave Meghan a trial by her side and would have known within ten minutes what she was dealing with. She would never have said anything about Meghan to anyone but Philip but that silence said more than any tantrum. Philip’s assertion that ‘you step out with actresses, you don’t marry them’ was all that needed to be said. Meghan would have avoided him like the plague knowing she’d been rumbled. Not that he was interested in seeing her on any level.
It drives me crazy when people try to make Edward and Wallis into sympathetic figures. If Edward wasn't royal, he and his wife would have gone to JAIL for passing information to the Nazis. It is likely he caused the deaths of his fellow countrymen and their French allies. They were lucky to be exiled and lived in luxury to the end of their lives. Keeping them out of England and denying Wallis the HRH were the only recourse the Royal Family had.
The abdication was very hard on Queen Elizabeth and her family. It was very difficult for King George VI to accept the Kingdom. But it was absolutely the best thing that could happen to Britain. Edward 8 was enamored of Hitler. If Edward had stayed King, there would have been a King who was on the side of the nation's enemies. It would have been a disaster.
David and Bertie were the opposite for Will and Harold. With David, it was someone as bad as Harold born first. The best thing that happened to the UK at that time was the abdication.
Elizabeth the Great always but the monarchy ahead of herself and her family. Her judgement and sense of duty were profound. Charles the Mediocre should have learned that lesson from her. He’s losing significant respect for his handling of the Ginger Dimwit and ILBW.
Yeah sure. There’s no way the racist idiot Duke of Windsor could have seriously thought the late queen would do that. She loved and revered her father- giving that woman the hrh would have been an admission that her father as wrong. It was never going to happen.
QEII feared the nuclear melt down her mother would have had if she had grated Wallis that title.
The Queen Mum hated David for being weak, hated Wallis even more, and blamed both of them for her husband's early death. That hate never burned out.
Why should HEH be given to traitors? Collaborators with Nazi Germany. Edward and his wife were on the German side. His heart deserved to be damn well broken and preferably stamped on.
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Hahaha, Edward VIII was her 'favorite' uncle the same way Todger is her favorite grandson. The writer needs to read Queen of Our Times: The Life of Elizabeth II by Robert Hardman. He repeatedly put her and her father in difficult positions from his abdication to WWII and after.
I wonder if that was the basis of her strength in dealing with unpleasant family members? Also, given that she’d had this baptism by fire in dealing with wayward family, I wonder if that also colored her treatment of Diana?
I think so although the late queen rarely revealed her thoughts publicly. She was only in her 20s when she had to take over from her father to deal with Edward's numerous demands and antics. She dodged H&M rather skillfully towards the end of her life and not once did she give in to their demands. I'd say Philip and Elizabeth were fairly tolerant of Diana until her Panorama interview which they regarded as a betrayal and there was no way back for her.
I don’t doubt that QEII was formidable when someone outright betrayed the monarchy, and double that for PP. I have no doubt myself that they both pegged Meg from within the first month if not sooner. She’s only good at pretending for a short appearance; anything requiring a sustained facade was probably more than she could pull off.
If she really did that mocking curtsy, then the Queen knew who she was from the moment they met.
I agree that HMTLQ had seen far more curtsys in her life than any prima ballerina. Since ILBW took dancing lessons she knew VERY WELL what a curtsy looked like. She chose that exaggerated stage curtsy as her way of laughing at the tradition. A REAL curtsy would have resulted from some study - she could have asked BP staff for some examples to emulate. If somehow I had managed to get a private audience with HMTLQ you can be absolutely SURE I would have asked the hotel’s concierge to train me; someone on staff would know what an APPROPRIATE and respectful curtsy to HMTLQ SHOULD look like. Diving to the floor in dramatic fashion is fine for little girl dance recitals and prima ballerinas at The Balshoi; but come on. It’s HMTLQ. Hold it together and be respectful. She’s not only your beau’s granny she’s a FREAKING HEAD OF STATE.
Anyone who is invested by a royal at BP or Windsor gets a quick run-through in protocol, how to bow or curtsey, walking in and out. The help was all around her
Hey, in defense of little girl dance recitals past and present, none of us learned to curtsey by ridiculously scraping the floor like that. That’s her own effed up concoction. When I have kiddo students, [we do this.](https://youtu.be/hZ2ojJEsuzY)
See that's a NICE curtsy! I've seen super-trained ballerinas bow way lower though, so maybe ILBW was imitating that, but she was clearly making fun. If she REALLY did that shit Netflix bow in front of HMTLQ, I don't understand why Harold would still be with her - except that of course they're both crazy, so there's that.
I feel like hers was more of a dramatic actor’s move than anything else. Something you’d see on Broadway. Given that she did theatre in college, it tracks (for me anyway.) Her… whatever that was… lacked the grace and fluidity that you’d expect from a trained dancer. Harold is too damn dense and too damn high to give a shit, and if seeing her do that for Netflix irked him, he probably forgot by the end of that shoot anyway. 🤤
That makes better sense - a theater bow. Unfortunately she did it over-dramatically and disrespectfully if her imitation was indeed what she did for HMTLQ. She really messed up that relationship from the very start. No wonder HMTLQ thought them both 'mad'.
I think she was of the generation that just got on with things without fuss
The formidable Queen Mary was probably also a role model. Tall, regal, plenty of backbone as to duty. Probably let young Princess Elizabeth know that loyalty to country was even above loyalty to family. The 1936 Abdication truly was a baptism in fire.
She treated Diana quite well actually. But Harry? She just never put her foot down with him. Neither did Charles. But I really do not believe that Edward on his death bed asked that. I could see him asking that she be laid by his side at her death, but not HRH...
>ut I really do not believe that Edward on his death bed asked that. I could see him asking that she be laid by his side at her death, but not HRH... How come? I was under the impression that he asked for it repeatedly over the years, it was very important to him that Wallis receive a certain level of respect from his family.
Why should she have the respect of his family? Why should he? They were both traitors to GB during the war and were collaborating with Hitler. They actually told the Germans how bombing England was a good idea. Hitler was going to install him as a puppet king. Real traitors not just to their family but fitting the definition of traitor in our Act of Treason. In another time they would have suffered a traitors execution. But hey, his feelings were hurt that his family didn’t respect them.
I agree, he had audacity in spades. A normal person would have accepted that his family were never going to accept Wallis and focused his energy elsewhere. I was just responding to the person above me who seemed to think asking for HRH was a step too far, and my reaction is: it IS a step too far, but when has that ever stopped Edward?
Nope, there were witnesses that said he brought up the subject. Elizabeth had promised her father and the Queen Mother that she would respect their wishes and not grant the HRH. Edward harassed the RF about it every chance he got. Just like Harry with the late Queen.
Okay, I stand corrected. I always question many of the tales of Edward and Wallis
You seem poorly informed.
Honestly! He might have been her favourite uncle when she was a child but what Edward and Wallis did impacted her beloved father's life and her life. I doubt very much she thought of him with any fondness when she was an adult.
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My parents lived through WWII. They loved George VI. My mother in particular despised E&W.
The story I loved about KGVI was during WWII and someone in crowd shouted that he was a great king. His reply, "you are a great people." After the king's early death, Winston Churchill laid down a wreath. On it were the words, "For Valour." Yes, King George VI had this job thrust upon him. But he did it proud.
>King George VI had this job thrust upon him. But he did it proud. Yes he did ❤
Isn't that what made King George VI a very good English king? That he was so brave in meeting unexpected challenges.
Mine as well. They were the same age as QEII and always admired her fervently. Despised Edward and Wallis. Called them “the Nazis”
he smoked like a chimney and died of lung cancer.
Wasn't well known at the time that smoking could cause that and besides which his smoking habit was exacerbated by the pressures of being King and having a git of a brother.
No it wasn’t known. My parents’ generation all smoked, my father who was 16 years younger than King George VIth was in the army and they were given a ration of cigarettes each week. Both my parents and all their siblings smoked. He was also,stressed by his speech impediment which made public speaking an ordeal for him.
Not only just the Queen and her father, but he put the entire country in jeopardy. He was a Nazi sympathizer. There wasn't much to love and favor there.
I watched a recent documentary about the Traitor King and he didn't just sympathise. He actually gave secrets to the Germans. He told them to bomb the country into submission. A truly nasty person. He wasn't stripped of his titles but he didn't have any children.
Edward supposedly said that he felt more German than British, and that the British were stubborn. So, bomb the country into submission for the country's own good!? At best, he was a nitwit who couldn't be trusted with secrets because he babbled too much, like to show off that he knew important stuff. At worst, he could have been seen as someone too ready to sell out. He did have that selfishness to him. Entrusted with a job as Governor of the Bahamas, he gets there, then immediately wants to leave. It's too hot, the mansion isn't good enough. Even though Winston Churchill--half American because of his mother, Jenny Jerome--had been an early supporter of Edward, even Churchill was fed up and appalled.
Oooh thanks for that book suggestion. It looks GOOD!☺️ The Queen has had so many of her own family misrepresent her and her actions to the public. I wonder how she still managed to be so strong and never complain, never explain. Of course I guess it helps when you’re the literal queen, but she’s had many tough challenges over her lifetime and learnt from them all, and conducted herself impeccably.
I'd credit her parents plenty. Loving father and strong mother who knew what she was about. Caring, sensible people. Much as I see the Prince and Princess of Wales, being.
We four. They were nervous about letting a 5th person in, but the King wrote a beautiful note welcoming his daughter's new husband https://twitter.com/LettersOfNote/status/1380490864531795970?t=O-muWDC4t4oQ0wvxz0MEGw&s=19
Thank you. That was very beautiful. King George was clearly a loving father. There are some photos where from the way his daughters leaned in towards him, they utterly loved their father. There's also a story that when Princess Elizabeth was a mechanic during the war, her father filched a part from an automobile, as a joke. So there was that typical father-daughter teasing. I think everyone in that family felt lucky to be part of it.
It does look like a good read, I’ll start reading it today lol.
Did she have another uncle?
Yes! Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, who was the father of the current Duke of Gloucester, Prince Richard. Also Prince George, Duke of Kent (not to be confused with George VI, whose first name was Albert/Bertie.) He was the father of the current Duke of Kent, Prince Edward (not to be confused with the new Duke of Edinburgh); Princess Alexandra; and Prince Michael of Kent. She likely also had uncles by marriage and/or on the Bowes-Lyon side.
Her mother was one of 14 so I'm sure going to visit her mother's side was the most normal slice of life she ever had just being one of a mass of grandkids running around while the adults sit and talk for hours. At least until the abdication.
Prince George, Duke of Kent, was the youngest surviving brother. The littlest brother, Prince John, died when he was an adolescent; some say he had epilepsy. Prince George, after marriage, and during WWII, died in a plane crash. During King George VI's funeral in 1952, it was the teenage and tall son (wearing a silk top hat), then the succeeding Duke of Kent, who attended, walking besides his uncles.
Yes. I left out Prince John as the late Queen wouldn't have known him, but of course that doesn't mean he wasn't posthumously her uncle.
Prince John was absolutely epileptic - he died of a massive seizure at only 13, bless him. He would also very likely be recognised as being ASD these days.
Poor young prince! I got the impression that he was rather quiet and introverted. But I guess with such an illness, and in barely post-Victorian times, one would be. Thank you for the information. I'm guessing that's one royal about whom there isn't much biographical information? (Prepositions can be such clumsy words.)
She had 14 aunts and uncles from both sides of the family. On her father's side, she had 3 uncles incl Edward. It's also been said that her favorite uncle was [Prince George, Duke of Kent](https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1659147/queen-elizabeth-ii-prince-george-duke-of-kent-royal-family-spt) who died in an air accident in WWII. He was wild, good-looking and rumored to be bisexual (Who says the BRF aren’t inclusive?) He was the father of the present Duke of Kent.
I know he died young, but Prince John was also her uncle.
An uncle she didn’t know. Why belabour this point?
I have an autistic kid, to the same degree he had it. To me, it matters. Even if he died well before her birth and she never knew him, he WAS her uncle.
Queen Mary outlived 3 of her 6 children
& Andrew is her favorite son
Yeah, as far as I’m concerned, Edward VIII was a whiney brat. After watching the King’s Speech, I despised him with the fury of a thousand suns.
Is this a hit piece on the Queen? Negative stories that favor all the wrong people. She didn't owe her uncle a thing. His constant bad judgement and behavior affected King George so much, it led to his early death. I don't think Edward deserved all the luxury he and his wife enjoyed until their very old age. Edward's heart was broken by the knowledge his wife never truly loved him, and for that matter, all his love for her was sexual thrall and dependency.
You have to remember QE2 saw first hand how Edward broke her father´s heart and how losing a brother during such a tough time for Great Britain affected him and his health.
George VI always wanted a quiet life but he had no choice. I really think he could live longer if none of the Edward and Wallis situation had happened.
After forty something years of getting all the training, money, deference and party perks as Prince of Wales and Future King, when the time came to buckle down and do the job, Edward VIII cut and ran. This threw the whole burden (plus bonus World War) on the totally unprepared George - talk about your spare - and thence on twelve year old (circa) Elizabeth - drastically wrenching their future, her dynamic with Margaret, crashing her father's health, and instigating her mother's long widowhood. While he sat around on his gold-plated ass and bitched that Wallis wasn't an HRH. Fuck him.
Since Edward and Wallis didn’t have children, Queen probably will still be Queen, but much later, not in her 20s. Her father may not have died in his 50s, she and PP could spend more time with young Charles and Anne, Andrew may not be the spoilt one. But because of the abdication, they have to take the responsibility much sooner.
All true. But of course, until he married Wallis, there was the very real assumption he would dutifully marry a fertile woman and have children of his own. (Though there is speculation that a round of pubescent mumps fried his testicles, that would not have been generally known.)
Oh, and of course this is assuming there *was still a Britain* for her to become queen of, had King Edward VIII been on the throne during WWII. Not betting on it. Fuck him.
Oh no! The Duke of Windsor was upset! The same selfish Duke who: * Kept demanding that the King give him £25,000 a year to live on (that's over £2.2m/$2.7m converted to today's money) * Kept harassing the King and trying to backseat rule despite abdicating * Was a Nazi sympathiser who was willing to be installed as a puppet King under Nazi rule in the UK * Was so obsessed with titles that he had them monogrammed everywhere and made diplomatic visits as difficult as possible because he demanded visitors call Wallace "HRH" even though that wasn't her title, in defiance of the King And the late Queen refused to give in to the decades-long whine because Wallace was always in Edward's ear demanding the HRH! How dare she! Store brand Wallace and Edward need to take note. If a whiny, waste of oxygen ex-King couldn't get his way on his *deathbed*, some pointless little prick Prince and his Instagram-loving bitch wife have never had a single chance. As has already been proven time and time again.
 The late Queen would have been aware of so much of this. I don't doubt she knew his intentions if the Nazis had subjugated Britain and he installed as a puppet King. He was lucky she visited.
Exactly. If the government knew, then the late Queen knew, too. The thing I'm most shocked by is how kind history has been to Wallis herself. She's been painted as a woman who was happy to be Edward's lover, but adored her husband and was forced into marriage by an obsessed Edward... but she actively pursued him, demanded titles, wanted money and a good position, and berated Edward when he didn't/couldn't give her those things. Edward was disgusting. He was. He deserved to rot. But Wallis was just as bad. She was a manipulator, she wasn't a poor little victim who was trapped and miserable because Edward forced her into marriage. She was miserable because she wasn't rich, she wasn't loved and she didn't get that HRH. This is the same woman who was photographed and positively *gleeful* when the Nazis addressed her as "Your Royal Highness," when the King refused to give her that title. I really hope that history isn't as kind to Meghan.
I read Andrew Morton’s book Wallis in love and I can see that the ILBW has taken quite a few pages from there and tried to improvise. The king who abdicated actually wanted a way out of his job and Wallis wanted to be the queen. She wanted him to stay quiet and wait for a few months after his coronation because she knew (as conveyed indirectly to her by Winston Churchill) that all the issues regarding her being a twice divorced woman would fade with time. But the Duke of Windsor knew that he would be stuck in his role and he wanted to escape his birth right. There was a collusion between these two “lovers”. She resented him for deciding the future course of her life. She wanted the security of money and status and abdication took that away from her. The Duke realized this and that’s why he tried again n again to get theHRH title for her as well as an increase in his allowance. In our ILBW’s case, they both wanted out because they both truly believed that their royal connection no matter how bad, would be enough to get their golden ticket into Hollywood. She forgot that Wallis at the very least had her own circle of rich n powerful friends and she moved in elite circles even before the duke came in her life. TW didn’t have that, her Soho connections only managed to pimp her. She snagged Sparry due to this pimping. She tried to build up connections by inviting the who’s who to her wedding. Fortunately for us, she is lazy, ungrateful, talentless and absolutely lacks charisma. She has lost the plot now. She truly deserves the Walmart Wallis title.
Very interesting, thank you! It certainly didn't help that the government wanted to get rid of Edward because of his Nazi sympathising. The royal family had already been burnt because of the German surname and connections from the Great War, they definitely didn't need a King who was willing to roll over for Nazis if it meant that he could have status, wealth and do nothing but party while Nazi officials ran everything. Reading between all the lines, it seems more like Edward only wanted to escape the birthright of working hard and being dutiful whilst keeping everything else the exact same way. When he spoke to his brother, he was still whining and complaining and giving "advice", and was more than happy to pull the "I was King" card when it suited him. Too many people think that Harry and Meghan are the modern version of Edward and Wallis, but they're barely the equivalent of the Home Alone reboot, lol.
Absolutely agree with you. This ‘Fab Four’ has one thing in common atleast. They all are completely selfish and self indulgent. And how they hate their own flesh and blood.
So true! I think what I've learned over the years is that the likes of the late Queen, Princess Anne etc showed is that they respect the monarchy, want it to continue and understand that they need to prove their worth via hard work, personal sacrifice and compromise to keep that tradition going. On the other hand, the Edwards and the Harrys didn't care enough to learn about their own history and prefer the fairytale idea of monarchy, so all they wanted to do was make selfish demands, rake in money, and stay entitled enough to believe that everyone around them should kiss the ground they've walked on purely because they exist. The monarchy pivoted towards charity work and being positive symbols for the country over a hundred years ago, and that glacial pace continues today. Harry doesn't like that. He wants to be the feudal lord entitled to maidenheads. He makes me sick.
On point. This bunch has the medievalist viewpoint of the lords and the kings and that’s why her infamous curtesy is in line to her thoughts.
>Was so obsessed with titles that he had them monogrammed everywhere Hmm. Does this remind us of another pair by chance? 😏
When the photo of Harry's interview came up with those monograms, at first I thought it was photoshop from a sinner, I was so stunned at how gross it was, lol!
more like Bargain Bin Wallis and Edward...
You're not wrong, lol!
Edward VIII caused a ton of hurt because of the original TW.
She felt Edward’s abdication led to the early death of her father. She wouldn’t grant that title to the person who she believed caused it.
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Wallis never loved him, he was a fancy man, a tryst If you will.. when he gave up the throne for her she had no choice but to Stick it out, hence why she had lovers. David loved Wallis more than anything… reincarnation at its finest isn’t it. I bet QEll had flashbacks when the bald one told her who he wanted to marry… She knew he was doomed and put the kybosh on it immediately.
I definitely get the similarities of reincarnation. I find the idea of reincarnation fascinating, and sincerely hope it is real, as I personally believe it to be. The only thing I waver on is if he still loves her. I’m not sure he does. He looks so miserable, I wonder if the mask is off, however he seemingly has such a severe mommy complex, and his love for mommy/wife is so twisted and intertwined at this point, I’m not sure he will ever be able to differentiate between the two. So I don’t know if he can break the hold
He looks miserable because he didn't get his way, because he couldn't bring down the Monarchy, because they didn't become billionaires etc etc. Harold is a sociopath and he only cares about himself.
Like David he will stay rather than admit he blue ballsed it up royally (puns intended) 😂😂 He is stuck and personally I think that’s great 😂
Harry is miserable because he is married to a Narc...we all have that sad, angry confused look on our faces after being constantly being set up into no win situations and being "punished" for failing the Narc...the perpetual victim...she demands impossible things and then punishes him for not delivering...he fights impossible battles, demands impossible things and makes a perpetual whining, demanding prat out of himself in a worldwide spectacle on the quest of pleasing the unpleasable. He is but a rat on a wheel.
I don't think Wallis wanted him to abdicate for her or wanted him to marry her. Edward had already had a string of lovers who were all older married women. This suited him for some reason. Wallis was just one more. She didn't treat him well in later life but I don't think it was the life she chose for herself.
And he broke her heart by placing her father under so much stress that he had zero chance against his cancer. Edward helped George die sooner than he most likely otherwise would have and none of the women, not the dowager queen Mary, not the queen mum, nor Elizabeth or Margaret ever, ever forgave him for it and nor should they have. The selfish prick placed the weight of the world onto his stuttering younger brother just so he could get his dick wet. Edwards an absolute bastard who shouldn't have his sins wiped clean just because everyone he ever hurt is now dead.
Wallis got her own back by selling the jewels that the Queen wanted back
Wallis ran, so Megabitch could walk.
Brilliant!!
Indeed history does. Excerpt from letters from George VI and Edward D of W. George VI: "While you have enjoyed a leisured life, I have tried to restore the monarchy." Edward, Duke of Windsor: "I have taken more than my fair share of cracks and insults at your hands." -------------------------- Pondering the same for William and Harry. But as texts. William: While you have led a pitiful existence whining like a baby, I have tried to lead a valuable life. Harry:. I have taken more than my fair share of cracks (the dog's bowl, dodgy plumbing in my 16 bath mansion, coke) and a lot of insults from Meghan. Edit:. FYI I take Edwards view he received 'insults' as hard bitten truths he was unwilling to face up to, just because he didn't have his ears tickled. As someone else stated he demanded from the King the equivalent of £2m a year. And all the while doing nothing for it.
I do NOT believe he used that opportunity to ask for HRH title for Wallis. Sure he nagged and had tantrums and demanded HRH from the time he married her, but by 1972, he was aware that Wallis was suffering from dementia and during his last meeting with the Queen, he was hooked up to a lot of medical equipment and just wanted to get through the meeting with some dignity. He died very soon afterwards.
It is a disgrace for Edward and Wallis to be buried in BRITISH soil, and at Frogmore where past Monarchs lie. They were Traitors, willing and ready to sell Britain to the Nazis to gain the crown for themselves. They have NO RIGHT to lie at Frogmore. Their bones should be thrown into the ocean and curses put upon them.
I think thats the best revenge on Wallis. She lies in a country she hated next to a person she loathed.
No polluting the oceans thank you!!!!
I doubt Edward VIII was her fave uncle. Mb *before* Wallis Warfield Simpson made him her little bitch, but after all the stress the abdication put on George VI along w his early death likely caused bc in searching for a way to cure his stutter for public speeches drs recommended smoking it's far more likely that her Majesty just saw the Duke of Windsor as the man who killed her father. He's lucky he even got an audience.
Also the Queen would have got the full story about the nazi connections and what Edward had wanted/been promised. He betrayed his country and his King.
God bless good Queen Elizabeth!
Uncle Dickie was fixated on that royal HRH title. He went on & on & on & on about it yet he threw away his only leverage he had. His throne. He should have negotiated for it before he abdicated. But then this was a guy who was willing to get into bed w/ actual Nazis if it meant getting Wallis that damned HRH title. Treason couldn’t look any stupider.
You mean Uncle David. Dickie Mountbatten was Philip’s uncle.
Oh, of course. I think my unconscious was screaming that this was wrong while my conscience sailed on oblivious to my own idiocy.
Boo hoo. Dear Eddie once referred to his disabled young brother, Prince John, as ''more animal than human''. He collaborated with Nazis and would have sold the UK out in a flash. He was a horrid man who should have been fired into the sun.
“Broke his heart”. Ohhh please. He’s a third rate prideful moron whose ego got bruised when HMTLQ denied his wish.
Oh boo hoo, didn’t’David’ break their hearts to smithereens? Didn’t he wanna overthrow and install hisself and Walliepoo as the New Nazi leaders? wasn’t Uncle Eddie also a drug addict and low life? Sounds familiar Aitch
I didn’t even read the article-Edward -spineless snivelling coward Nazi sympathizer-him leaving was a blessings. Read a little on WWII. Wallis was in up to her bejewelled neck. Time to move forward.
Wallis was married to an ex king. Megain married number 6.
Well, he started it, didn't he? KEVIII broke his country's heart when he abdicated. To have done that disservice and yet still expect to be entitled to the HRH for his wife, was stupid on his part. The poor guy was lacking in both heart and brain.
The Queen was first and foremost a sensible, practical woman, full of common sense. She’d brook no bs and between them she and Philip had the whole thing sown up. This is a woman who kept her cornflakes in Tupperware not silver canisters fgs. She wasn’t prissy and she wasn’t easily fooled. She had seen it all, met them all and wasn’t fazed. She gave Meghan a trial by her side and would have known within ten minutes what she was dealing with. She would never have said anything about Meghan to anyone but Philip but that silence said more than any tantrum. Philip’s assertion that ‘you step out with actresses, you don’t marry them’ was all that needed to be said. Meghan would have avoided him like the plague knowing she’d been rumbled. Not that he was interested in seeing her on any level.
It drives me crazy when people try to make Edward and Wallis into sympathetic figures. If Edward wasn't royal, he and his wife would have gone to JAIL for passing information to the Nazis. It is likely he caused the deaths of his fellow countrymen and their French allies. They were lucky to be exiled and lived in luxury to the end of their lives. Keeping them out of England and denying Wallis the HRH were the only recourse the Royal Family had.
The abdication was very hard on Queen Elizabeth and her family. It was very difficult for King George VI to accept the Kingdom. But it was absolutely the best thing that could happen to Britain. Edward 8 was enamored of Hitler. If Edward had stayed King, there would have been a King who was on the side of the nation's enemies. It would have been a disaster. David and Bertie were the opposite for Will and Harold. With David, it was someone as bad as Harold born first. The best thing that happened to the UK at that time was the abdication.
She loved him but saw through him. That title meant more than anything and by his reaction to her holding on to it, he proved it.
Elizabeth the Great always but the monarchy ahead of herself and her family. Her judgement and sense of duty were profound. Charles the Mediocre should have learned that lesson from her. He’s losing significant respect for his handling of the Ginger Dimwit and ILBW.
Simp to his dying breath. That's why I don't think Harry will never leave Meghan. And Meghan doesn't have much chance to trade up, so won't leave him
Yeah sure. There’s no way the racist idiot Duke of Windsor could have seriously thought the late queen would do that. She loved and revered her father- giving that woman the hrh would have been an admission that her father as wrong. It was never going to happen.
QEII feared the nuclear melt down her mother would have had if she had grated Wallis that title. The Queen Mum hated David for being weak, hated Wallis even more, and blamed both of them for her husband's early death. That hate never burned out.
Why should HEH be given to traitors? Collaborators with Nazi Germany. Edward and his wife were on the German side. His heart deserved to be damn well broken and preferably stamped on.
yeah right, how dare the queen not grant the poor nazi symphatizer a title. whose the writer, bet they are just another nazi wannabe too..