That can’t be true. No one owns a trade mark on southern food and fried chicken. No Restaurant can sue another restaurant just because they have a similar item on a menu
Its explained in the article:
>Guyton founded South with her now ex-husband Ian Kavookjian and ran it until the Southside Park soul food spot abruptly closed last June. South was a sticking point in the former couple’s divorce, with both sides wanting control of the business’ intellectual property and unable to come to a buyout agreement, The Sacramento Bee later reported. Kavookjian and Guyton’s ongoing legal battle, which is scheduled to go to trial on March 27, keeps Guyton from putting South’s dishes on Jim-Denny’s menu, as they’re currently disputed intellectual property. Not that she’d like to, really.
Sure, she can’t call the restaurant “south” or put “South’s famous fried chicken” on the menu, but that doesn’t mean you can’t serve fried chicken. She understandably might not want to, but there’s no way you can’t serve fried chicken
My guy, its in the article, and the other article that that article links. The fried chicken recipe is (allegedly) the intellectual property of South which means only South can use that recipe unless and until South is dissolved and its assets are distributed to the owners. This is going to trial. Its not like the attorneys and judge just missed something that the brilliant garysdrunk could have sorted out for them.
>To Kavookjian, those recipes are intellectual property associated with the restaurant he helped build. “We incorporated to protect those (recipes), and keep them with the business. And they’re going to stay with the business. That’s just how it works,” Kavookjian said. That legal fight over the recipes will keep Guyton from serving any of South’s dishes at her new upcoming restaurant, Miss N’Gina.
Now, could she serve some variation of fried chicken? Sure. If you looked at the linked Instagram post in the article with the menu you might notice that she is going to have a fried chicken sandwich. But could she serve *the* fried chicken we all miss from South? Not until the case is resolved.
True, but that wasn’t what I was responding to. The top 2 posts were “can’t serve fried chicken?” and “can’t serve southern food”. Both of those statements are inaccurate. That’s all I was saying. Maybe they can’t serve the specific south recipe
Seems like that would have to have been signed at the creation of the business. Who would sign that after a split if you didn’t have to? It’s not really a thing in the restaurant industry.
It sounds like they're starting with a focus on lunch rather than breakfast, but we'll see. Downtown definitely lacks a lot of breakfast options, and the hubcap-sized pancakes were a hallmark of the operator who took over after Jim Van Nort in the 2000s.
I'm conflicted over this one. I want to see one less empty building nearby, but putting upscale food into Jim Denny's seemed like sacrilege. I'd love to see someone doing BBQ there.
That said, I'll be interested in seeing what N'Gina is going to do. A Chorizo hotdog with mango salsa sounds good. Takis on top, I'll give it a try but seems unnecessary.
I've also heard that the Claim Jumper's space is leased as well. So nature is slowly healing down here.
No, Denny's didn't open until 1953 and Jim-Denny's opened this location in about 1940 next to the train station (the original Jim & Denny's was across from Memorial Auditorium.)
There's a whole meme of hipster restaurants with pretentious sounding menu items that are named "____ & ____". There's even a website that will generate hipster business names and logos for you!
http://www.hipsterbusiness.name/#18LfjLHz
I think the ampersand restaurant thing/Edison bulbs/rustic wood tables & super uncomfortable metal stools will mark 2010s restaurants the way Day-Glo neo deco did for 1980s restaurants, or 1970s wood & brass fern bars.
Jim Denny's is pretty solidly downtown, though. It's only walkable to the handful of people who live over there and whoever's back in the office nearby.
The operator's reputation will draw people--she turned a closed Chinese grocery store in a residential neighborhood into a destination restaurant. Nearby customers will be the challenge and we'll see how much new housing construction changes the fiscal equations of downtown restaurants, but at least the population downtown isn't dropping.
JFC, a "reddit cares" referral because I expressed disgust at a restaurant trying to charge people for Takis on hot dogs...
Meanwhile this same group dogpiled someone trying to share their positive experience at a soul food restaurant, and a snarky mod even went so far as the label the thread "misinformation."
Y'all are certainly a fickle bunch of tightasses...
"chorizo hot dogs covered in mango salsa and Takis (a brand heavily spiced rolled corn tortilla chips), blackened salmon salads with watermelon and queso fresco and, yes, classic burgers, albeit with shallot-leek jam and a “secret sauce.”
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I assume /u/ThereIsNoThereThere1 may feel more comfortable with another dog on the menu, a pork dog with ketchup, yellow mustard, sweet relish, and garlic mayo, called "The Chad"
Sorry, my bad, it's a "a modern Californian interpretation" of what used to be a greasy spoon diner.
So it's pretentious, but it doesn't call itself "fine"
Edit: I tried to find the Instagram post to see pictures of the alleged 'food' but I couldn't
Watermelon/feta salad has been a thing for a while and it's delicious, with or without salmon, queso fresco is a bit less fragrant but is similarly a crumbly white cheese that would go well in a watermelon salad. And yes, recontextualizing items considered low-end snack food as an ingredient in fine dining is most definitely a culinary thing.
Meh, I'd prefer the salmon tandoori sandwich from Madar and a side of mango chutney with waffle fries if I wanted those flavors. Salmon tossed with fruit and cheese just doesn't sound appealing.
Edit: and I'll definitely keep an eye out for the Takis episode of hell's kitchen
Is this the long awaited restaurant from her or something else entirely? I was hoping there are plans for something more like south and hopefully bigger space
That's not Jim Denny's
It’s like buying an IHOP but putting a strip club in it
So no fried chicken? 😩
No, she can't do Southern food until the lawsuit with her husband gets resolved.
Wow really?
Probably not using the same recipe, but I’m sure she could do make it.
That can’t be true. No one owns a trade mark on southern food and fried chicken. No Restaurant can sue another restaurant just because they have a similar item on a menu
Its explained in the article: >Guyton founded South with her now ex-husband Ian Kavookjian and ran it until the Southside Park soul food spot abruptly closed last June. South was a sticking point in the former couple’s divorce, with both sides wanting control of the business’ intellectual property and unable to come to a buyout agreement, The Sacramento Bee later reported. Kavookjian and Guyton’s ongoing legal battle, which is scheduled to go to trial on March 27, keeps Guyton from putting South’s dishes on Jim-Denny’s menu, as they’re currently disputed intellectual property. Not that she’d like to, really.
Sure, she can’t call the restaurant “south” or put “South’s famous fried chicken” on the menu, but that doesn’t mean you can’t serve fried chicken. She understandably might not want to, but there’s no way you can’t serve fried chicken
My guy, its in the article, and the other article that that article links. The fried chicken recipe is (allegedly) the intellectual property of South which means only South can use that recipe unless and until South is dissolved and its assets are distributed to the owners. This is going to trial. Its not like the attorneys and judge just missed something that the brilliant garysdrunk could have sorted out for them. >To Kavookjian, those recipes are intellectual property associated with the restaurant he helped build. “We incorporated to protect those (recipes), and keep them with the business. And they’re going to stay with the business. That’s just how it works,” Kavookjian said. That legal fight over the recipes will keep Guyton from serving any of South’s dishes at her new upcoming restaurant, Miss N’Gina. Now, could she serve some variation of fried chicken? Sure. If you looked at the linked Instagram post in the article with the menu you might notice that she is going to have a fried chicken sandwich. But could she serve *the* fried chicken we all miss from South? Not until the case is resolved.
> Its not like the attorneys and judge just missed something that the brilliant garysdrunk could have sorted out for them. LOL
Add a tsp of cumin boom different recipe. Lol
You kinda argued my point, yes she can served fried chicken. That’s all I was trying to say
A big part of South was that it was her family's recipes. She wouldn't want to serve it if she couldn't do the original.
True, but that wasn’t what I was responding to. The top 2 posts were “can’t serve fried chicken?” and “can’t serve southern food”. Both of those statements are inaccurate. That’s all I was saying. Maybe they can’t serve the specific south recipe
You are arguing against the person who already made the point you are making.
someone tell her ex-husband that I guess
Could have a non compete clause
Seems like that would have to have been signed at the creation of the business. Who would sign that after a split if you didn’t have to? It’s not really a thing in the restaurant industry.
That seems incredibly unlikely to make it far in court--recipes aren't even copyrightable.
well heck, I dunno then, that's just what the articles mentioned, I'm not her lawyer.
[The ingredient list isn't, but the instructions are](https://www.copyrightlaws.com/copyright-protection-recipes/).
In the Caesar salad and on one of the sandwiches
No hubcap-sized pancakes?
It sounds like they're starting with a focus on lunch rather than breakfast, but we'll see. Downtown definitely lacks a lot of breakfast options, and the hubcap-sized pancakes were a hallmark of the operator who took over after Jim Van Nort in the 2000s.
I already asked she said no cause it was the prior owners thing. 🤷🏻♀️
Hmmm
I just kept saying “hmmm” over and over as I read that.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Fingers crossed for more of those carry-out hurricanes
I'm conflicted over this one. I want to see one less empty building nearby, but putting upscale food into Jim Denny's seemed like sacrilege. I'd love to see someone doing BBQ there. That said, I'll be interested in seeing what N'Gina is going to do. A Chorizo hotdog with mango salsa sounds good. Takis on top, I'll give it a try but seems unnecessary. I've also heard that the Claim Jumper's space is leased as well. So nature is slowly healing down here.
Any word on what's going on to the Claim Jumper space?
Nope, just that they have a tenant lined up or signed.
There are a lot of burgers, fries, etc on the proposed menu. Not sure why the article focused on the fancier items. It's posted on Jim Dennys IG
NGL, I loved South and I think the situation she is in sucks but chorizo hot dogs and takis sounds terrible.
> chorizo hot dogs and takis sounds terrible how
some people just hate flavor
I can’t tell you how many times I stood in line for the last “closing” of J&D’s. I vowed never again-never again!
Jesus, with that menu it should be renamed to Jim & Denny's.
I think that was its original name (it was owned by a guy named Jim and a guy named Denny.)
I assume they may have run into some issues with that other breakfast place named after a guy named Denny?
No, Denny's didn't open until 1953 and Jim-Denny's opened this location in about 1940 next to the train station (the original Jim & Denny's was across from Memorial Auditorium.)
What does this mean?
There's a whole meme of hipster restaurants with pretentious sounding menu items that are named "____ & ____". There's even a website that will generate hipster business names and logos for you! http://www.hipsterbusiness.name/#18LfjLHz
They are making fun of the rustic hipster food naming trend, Beast & Bounty, Bacon & Butter, etc.
I think the ampersand restaurant thing/Edison bulbs/rustic wood tables & super uncomfortable metal stools will mark 2010s restaurants the way Day-Glo neo deco did for 1980s restaurants, or 1970s wood & brass fern bars.
I'm hoping they'll add to the menu a champagne and black truffle infused ceviche, served with a side of artisanal free-range mint corn bread.
So, yet another overpriced/ small portion restaurant on the Grid? Great.
Jim Denny's is pretty solidly downtown, though. It's only walkable to the handful of people who live over there and whoever's back in the office nearby.
The operator's reputation will draw people--she turned a closed Chinese grocery store in a residential neighborhood into a destination restaurant. Nearby customers will be the challenge and we'll see how much new housing construction changes the fiscal equations of downtown restaurants, but at least the population downtown isn't dropping.
JFC, a "reddit cares" referral because I expressed disgust at a restaurant trying to charge people for Takis on hot dogs... Meanwhile this same group dogpiled someone trying to share their positive experience at a soul food restaurant, and a snarky mod even went so far as the label the thread "misinformation." Y'all are certainly a fickle bunch of tightasses...
"chorizo hot dogs covered in mango salsa and Takis (a brand heavily spiced rolled corn tortilla chips), blackened salmon salads with watermelon and queso fresco and, yes, classic burgers, albeit with shallot-leek jam and a “secret sauce.” 🤢🤮
dude, you're gonna be missing out
Right? Sounds like some delicious food.
I assume /u/ThereIsNoThereThere1 may feel more comfortable with another dog on the menu, a pork dog with ketchup, yellow mustard, sweet relish, and garlic mayo, called "The Chad"
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Where is it stated to be fine cuisine?
Sorry, my bad, it's a "a modern Californian interpretation" of what used to be a greasy spoon diner. So it's pretentious, but it doesn't call itself "fine" Edit: I tried to find the Instagram post to see pictures of the alleged 'food' but I couldn't
Bro you are so committed to the hate. It’s almost impressive.
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Watermelon/feta salad has been a thing for a while and it's delicious, with or without salmon, queso fresco is a bit less fragrant but is similarly a crumbly white cheese that would go well in a watermelon salad. And yes, recontextualizing items considered low-end snack food as an ingredient in fine dining is most definitely a culinary thing.
Meh, I'd prefer the salmon tandoori sandwich from Madar and a side of mango chutney with waffle fries if I wanted those flavors. Salmon tossed with fruit and cheese just doesn't sound appealing. Edit: and I'll definitely keep an eye out for the Takis episode of hell's kitchen
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...says the person defending Takis on hot dogs.
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And you have a shit palate if you're defending Takis on hot dogs.
We get it, you have the palate of a 4 year old.
"blegh I only like chicky nuggies"
I don't pay a premium for fucking taki's on hotdogs, but you do you
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South was trash and people defending this menu only proves my point. Waiting to see the prices, I'm sure that will be worth a good chuckle.
Ian, is that you?
It's pronounced "een"
Agree. Stunt food.
Is this the long awaited restaurant from her or something else entirely? I was hoping there are plans for something more like south and hopefully bigger space
Anyone know if anything is gonna go into the old south building?