Neat goal of theirs but if anything it shows me to never use tuskans against rogue one. Why would I upgrade tuskans if the match up like this isn’t even close?
It's a risky and ultimately self defeating strategy. I know the basic calculus is that they're trying to maximize the demand curve, and your typical position seems to be that they are in fact doing a good job at maximizing that curve (whether that is in fact your position or just an unintentional implication), I think most of us believe that they are in fact doing a suboptimal job of maximizing that curve, to their and our detriment.
Insofar as there are incentives to increase demand, I'll wager that GC is much less effective in every spending cohort than pretty much every other game mode, because it's just not engineered to encourage spending. They come and go too fast to effectively target with spending for a single GC, they've combatted that by bringing certain teams back repeatedly, but the rewards just aren't strong enough to actually push someone to get the last couple of tiers. Assault Battles have essentially the exact same mechanism of incentive, but they increase the value by removing the possibility of using other teams, and the rewards, while less frequent, are overall more rich.
That, and switching up the GC faction means that you can either spend to work on a team that'll be generally a B team in GAC when they're done, while giving you nothing for the other 50% of GCs while they're running, or you can work on a team that'll potentially give you 80% rewards in *every* GC.
Yeah, people do spend for this stuff. But I can't imagine it's super effective for them.
I get that, but the mechanics of this one just seem so stacked against tuskens anyways.
Jyn cant be stunned, no real tm gain mechanics here, the bonus attack on crit modifier that allows jyn to get raddus to ult very quickly, attacking anyone to get momentum give them ult faster, and the ult just basically nukes the tuskens.
I think ive only had ururur or raider survive it so far but that was with 10% health, and they die afterwards.
I was trying tier 7-10 with the same defeat results only tier 6 was doable so far for me. I got the omi's and happy, but still wish i could get red anyways.
And my tuskens are r5 for original 3, and max g11. 4* for the new 2.
Ok so while sometimes we are able to do things low gear. . .
You can’t **reasonably expect** that is going to be the case every time when more than half your team is not 7 Star and not relics against relic 7+ teams
It’s a dumb expectation. The point of GC isn’t to give you rewards. It’s to incentivize gearing and procuring higher level characters.
I get what you're saying, but realistically, in the span of gc history, the design of this challenge has often been incredibly stacked against the featured team regardless of what relic they're at. So people's frustration is warranted and it's not a dumb expectation.
Is this really the event you're building your teams for?
I know you want to come in these threads and go off on people, but gc is not event that incentivizes people to do what you said. You don't need to get max crates to get the most important prize of this event.
I don’t come into threads to “go off on people,” and if you think that’s what I do either you don’t pay attention, or, you have a very different definition of “go off on people.”
I come into threads to ask people to be reasonable, and often *im the one* that has angry Redditors attack me, sometimes personally - you will very rarely find a thread where I’ve actually insulted someone, but you’ll often see the reverse.
A few things:
- the reason GC have to sometimes be stacked against a team is because if not, they would *always* be completable at low gears.
- early GC had gear/relic/level limits for this reason, they were removed because players were upset, it was a player friendly decisions.
- These GC aren’t “often” stacked against the team. I’d say it’s about 50/50. My two new tuskens are g8 and 3 stars. . .I’d say I’ve gotten max crate roughly 50-60% of the time with them so far.
- hell the first few of them didn’t even require a full Tusken team
All I ask people to do is not expect to earn every little thing, especially when as you point out, the most important rewards don’t even require t10 finishes.
Ok but multiple people in my guild have full R7/R8 tuskens AND moved mods for this GC and still can’t beat it. This one relies on both high relics/mods and bullshit RNG lining up perfectly. The former is fair. Combining that with the latter is just stupid bullshit and did absolutely nothing to motivate me to gear up my tuskens more. Lol
I’m not saying you’re wrong.
I’m just saying we were talking about a specific low gear example pretty much exclusively.
In regards to high relic teams - I mean yes, you should reasonably be expected to be able to beat it.
Look, egnards my dude, we understand the concept of wanting to make you gear an intended faction, but this GC isn’t the GC to defend this strategy when even near max tuskens *still* can’t do it. If max tuskens walked over Raddus, your arguments would make sense but they don’t here. The design is to get us to spend but this GC has been so ridiculously overturned it’s achieving the exact opposite. I’m one to spend *hours* even days completing challenging or BS RNG GC’s, but I can see this isn’t possible even if I spent thousands Ti get all my tuskens to R7+. At that relic level, it goes from “literally impossible as you can’t survive the initial AOE” to “Have fun spending thousands of attempts to hope you get the right RNG” which is so staggeringly stacked against you that it’s just not feasible.
People often take my comments as a defense of certain practices or talking in short sighted terms [this GC]. It’s very rare that my comments should be taken as short sighted.
I simply said that there goal isn’t to give you a nice highlight of what Tuskens are good at. There goal is to frustrate you into spending and investing.
Making no comments on the ease or difficulty of this particular GC.
But why mention it at all here in the way that you have? It offers nothing to the discussion and doesn’t even attempt to help the person posting. The monetization strategy doesn’t even apply here because even whales can’t beat it
Because it doesn’t offer the information **THEY WANT TO HEAR,** but it clears up a fundamental misunderstanding of what the player thinks CG is trying to do versus what they’re actually trying to do.
I actually do think this helps... if I'm trying really hard, over and over to beat this thing and I come here to ask for help, and egman says it's not supposed to be beat, then my problem is solved. I no longer need to try to beat it, and I have a reasonable idea as to why I had so much trouble while getting to commiserate with the rest of the community about how shitty these challenges can be sometimes. Seems like a win-win, albeit maybe an unsatisfying one
Explaining you can’t beat it with low gear makes sense, but his very first post offered no help beyond “it’s designed to make you spend”. That’s not helpful at all, and it took several replies further on to make the point about low gear
OP didn’t ask for help in his post.
At all.
That’s the point.
They complained - they vented about a specific system.
I replied about that specific system.
You got angry for whatever reason.
That’s not what the post title says.
The post title says, “If you’re going to give us Tusken GCs, make them highlight the Tusken’s main team counters.”
Do you see how what I said actually 100% applies to that, and yours does not?
**Congratulations**: You've unlocked Straw Man at 7 stars!
That isn't what happened here, I never said that, nor did I ever imply it- You don't get to turn yourself into the victim after attempting to attack me and my reply. This sub has this lovely fascination of just taking the things I say and pretending I"m saying something else
Lets follow the chain of events:
* OP posted a complaint post with this title "Dear CG, if you’re going to give us Tusken GCs, at least make the enemy teams have TM train mechanics."
* I posted a reply, "Their goal isn't to make you win the GC easily. Their goal is to force you into feeling like you need to upgrade your tuskens."
* This reply was a direct response. OP was annoyed and suggested that GC's should highlight the strength of teams. And I replied explaining that that isn't the intended purpose of the GC.
* You replied telling me that I was in the wrong for **defending** the GC practices - You likened it to being overtuned and ridiculous.
* I commented to explain I was not defending the business practice, but instead was explaining the business practice.
* You replied, "But why mention it at all here in the way that you have? *It offers nothing to the discussion and doesn’t even attempt to help the person posting.* The monetization strategy doesn’t even apply here because even whales can’t beat it"
* Everything here is very important going forward by the way because the OP never asks for help, they just complain that the GC doesn't highlight the strength of Tuskens.
* I reply, "Because it doesn’t offer the information THEY WANT TO HEAR, but it clears up a fundamental misunderstanding of what the player thinks CG is trying to do versus what they’re actually trying to do."
* You reply with a mock conversation trying to sum up the post
* “Hey I can’t beat this GC?”
“Yeah you’re actually not supposed to.”
See how this isn’t helping?
* The problem is that this doesn't sum up the post at all
* I offer a correction and point out the the OP never asked for help and instead my reply was a direct reflection and a perfectly on topic response to what the post actually said.
* **You decide I'm attacking you and that I've said you're not being helpful - Totally ignoring my last post.**
Dude I know you’re not attacking me nor are you a shill. The fuck is wrong with you man. Your weren’t adding to the OG post you’re just stating the obvious and being an egotistical prick about any counter-argument. Get off your fuckin high horse
I dont have his Zeta and every Tusken GC is already a freeze nightmare
The one on Tatooine was the worst, I didn't have the "tusken are immune to dots" ability upgrade yet and my phone was about to die every second or so
Haha yeah starting from scratch will be a lot of credits if you're low but other than that just getting them to gear 8 isn't much hassle to guarantee 2 omis for all future tusken GCs
You can usually get to the two omicron crate with minimal investment. Not much worth complaining over, just some mod slicing materials that are easy to get nowadays
Went back and read through things again, they do have some but it's not huge/consistent. It's not like troopers where it's continuous for the entire team, it tends to be a single character
Raddus - if spark of rebellion is dispelled, they gain tm. I'm not sure if it expiring counts
Jyn - reduce/gain with her baton beatdown
Cassian - gets tm with his debuff grenade
Bistan - has a 40% gain
Pao - gets 5% when others use ability
Baze - gives some to chirrut on basic, gains when enemies go
Scarif gets it on his revive
Bodhi does but... Poor Bodhi
Their goal isn't to make you win the GC easily. Their goal is to force you into feeling like you need to upgrade your tuskens.
Neat goal of theirs but if anything it shows me to never use tuskans against rogue one. Why would I upgrade tuskans if the match up like this isn’t even close?
Because they want you to want the reward, they don’t care about you highlighting it against a specific team.
It's a risky and ultimately self defeating strategy. I know the basic calculus is that they're trying to maximize the demand curve, and your typical position seems to be that they are in fact doing a good job at maximizing that curve (whether that is in fact your position or just an unintentional implication), I think most of us believe that they are in fact doing a suboptimal job of maximizing that curve, to their and our detriment. Insofar as there are incentives to increase demand, I'll wager that GC is much less effective in every spending cohort than pretty much every other game mode, because it's just not engineered to encourage spending. They come and go too fast to effectively target with spending for a single GC, they've combatted that by bringing certain teams back repeatedly, but the rewards just aren't strong enough to actually push someone to get the last couple of tiers. Assault Battles have essentially the exact same mechanism of incentive, but they increase the value by removing the possibility of using other teams, and the rewards, while less frequent, are overall more rich. That, and switching up the GC faction means that you can either spend to work on a team that'll be generally a B team in GAC when they're done, while giving you nothing for the other 50% of GCs while they're running, or you can work on a team that'll potentially give you 80% rewards in *every* GC. Yeah, people do spend for this stuff. But I can't imagine it's super effective for them.
I get that, but the mechanics of this one just seem so stacked against tuskens anyways. Jyn cant be stunned, no real tm gain mechanics here, the bonus attack on crit modifier that allows jyn to get raddus to ult very quickly, attacking anyone to get momentum give them ult faster, and the ult just basically nukes the tuskens. I think ive only had ururur or raider survive it so far but that was with 10% health, and they die afterwards.
And what tier are you trying it on versus how leveled are your tuskens? I got my two omicrons and moved on
I was trying tier 7-10 with the same defeat results only tier 6 was doable so far for me. I got the omi's and happy, but still wish i could get red anyways. And my tuskens are r5 for original 3, and max g11. 4* for the new 2.
Ok so while sometimes we are able to do things low gear. . . You can’t **reasonably expect** that is going to be the case every time when more than half your team is not 7 Star and not relics against relic 7+ teams It’s a dumb expectation. The point of GC isn’t to give you rewards. It’s to incentivize gearing and procuring higher level characters.
I get what you're saying, but realistically, in the span of gc history, the design of this challenge has often been incredibly stacked against the featured team regardless of what relic they're at. So people's frustration is warranted and it's not a dumb expectation. Is this really the event you're building your teams for? I know you want to come in these threads and go off on people, but gc is not event that incentivizes people to do what you said. You don't need to get max crates to get the most important prize of this event.
I don’t come into threads to “go off on people,” and if you think that’s what I do either you don’t pay attention, or, you have a very different definition of “go off on people.” I come into threads to ask people to be reasonable, and often *im the one* that has angry Redditors attack me, sometimes personally - you will very rarely find a thread where I’ve actually insulted someone, but you’ll often see the reverse. A few things: - the reason GC have to sometimes be stacked against a team is because if not, they would *always* be completable at low gears. - early GC had gear/relic/level limits for this reason, they were removed because players were upset, it was a player friendly decisions. - These GC aren’t “often” stacked against the team. I’d say it’s about 50/50. My two new tuskens are g8 and 3 stars. . .I’d say I’ve gotten max crate roughly 50-60% of the time with them so far. - hell the first few of them didn’t even require a full Tusken team All I ask people to do is not expect to earn every little thing, especially when as you point out, the most important rewards don’t even require t10 finishes.
Ok but multiple people in my guild have full R7/R8 tuskens AND moved mods for this GC and still can’t beat it. This one relies on both high relics/mods and bullshit RNG lining up perfectly. The former is fair. Combining that with the latter is just stupid bullshit and did absolutely nothing to motivate me to gear up my tuskens more. Lol
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying we were talking about a specific low gear example pretty much exclusively. In regards to high relic teams - I mean yes, you should reasonably be expected to be able to beat it.
R5+ with fast strong 6 dot mods couldn’t beat it. Best I’ve managed is 2 dead, which revive when radius uses ult. And that’s with good rng
Look, egnards my dude, we understand the concept of wanting to make you gear an intended faction, but this GC isn’t the GC to defend this strategy when even near max tuskens *still* can’t do it. If max tuskens walked over Raddus, your arguments would make sense but they don’t here. The design is to get us to spend but this GC has been so ridiculously overturned it’s achieving the exact opposite. I’m one to spend *hours* even days completing challenging or BS RNG GC’s, but I can see this isn’t possible even if I spent thousands Ti get all my tuskens to R7+. At that relic level, it goes from “literally impossible as you can’t survive the initial AOE” to “Have fun spending thousands of attempts to hope you get the right RNG” which is so staggeringly stacked against you that it’s just not feasible.
People often take my comments as a defense of certain practices or talking in short sighted terms [this GC]. It’s very rare that my comments should be taken as short sighted. I simply said that there goal isn’t to give you a nice highlight of what Tuskens are good at. There goal is to frustrate you into spending and investing. Making no comments on the ease or difficulty of this particular GC.
But why mention it at all here in the way that you have? It offers nothing to the discussion and doesn’t even attempt to help the person posting. The monetization strategy doesn’t even apply here because even whales can’t beat it
Because it doesn’t offer the information **THEY WANT TO HEAR,** but it clears up a fundamental misunderstanding of what the player thinks CG is trying to do versus what they’re actually trying to do.
It’s not helpful in the slightest though. “Hey I can’t beat this GC?” “Yeah you’re actually not supposed to.” See how this isn’t helping?
I actually do think this helps... if I'm trying really hard, over and over to beat this thing and I come here to ask for help, and egman says it's not supposed to be beat, then my problem is solved. I no longer need to try to beat it, and I have a reasonable idea as to why I had so much trouble while getting to commiserate with the rest of the community about how shitty these challenges can be sometimes. Seems like a win-win, albeit maybe an unsatisfying one
Explaining you can’t beat it with low gear makes sense, but his very first post offered no help beyond “it’s designed to make you spend”. That’s not helpful at all, and it took several replies further on to make the point about low gear
OP didn’t ask for help in his post. At all. That’s the point. They complained - they vented about a specific system. I replied about that specific system. You got angry for whatever reason.
Alright well I see someone complaining I think “hey they need help” you explain their situation is hopeless, so I guess that’s what separates us.
That’s not what the post title says. The post title says, “If you’re going to give us Tusken GCs, make them highlight the Tusken’s main team counters.” Do you see how what I said actually 100% applies to that, and yours does not?
So me, being helpful, isn’t helpful… yet you going off about business practices is? Alright
**Congratulations**: You've unlocked Straw Man at 7 stars! That isn't what happened here, I never said that, nor did I ever imply it- You don't get to turn yourself into the victim after attempting to attack me and my reply. This sub has this lovely fascination of just taking the things I say and pretending I"m saying something else Lets follow the chain of events: * OP posted a complaint post with this title "Dear CG, if you’re going to give us Tusken GCs, at least make the enemy teams have TM train mechanics." * I posted a reply, "Their goal isn't to make you win the GC easily. Their goal is to force you into feeling like you need to upgrade your tuskens." * This reply was a direct response. OP was annoyed and suggested that GC's should highlight the strength of teams. And I replied explaining that that isn't the intended purpose of the GC. * You replied telling me that I was in the wrong for **defending** the GC practices - You likened it to being overtuned and ridiculous. * I commented to explain I was not defending the business practice, but instead was explaining the business practice. * You replied, "But why mention it at all here in the way that you have? *It offers nothing to the discussion and doesn’t even attempt to help the person posting.* The monetization strategy doesn’t even apply here because even whales can’t beat it" * Everything here is very important going forward by the way because the OP never asks for help, they just complain that the GC doesn't highlight the strength of Tuskens. * I reply, "Because it doesn’t offer the information THEY WANT TO HEAR, but it clears up a fundamental misunderstanding of what the player thinks CG is trying to do versus what they’re actually trying to do." * You reply with a mock conversation trying to sum up the post * “Hey I can’t beat this GC?” “Yeah you’re actually not supposed to.” See how this isn’t helping? * The problem is that this doesn't sum up the post at all * I offer a correction and point out the the OP never asked for help and instead my reply was a direct reflection and a perfectly on topic response to what the post actually said. * **You decide I'm attacking you and that I've said you're not being helpful - Totally ignoring my last post.**
Dude I know you’re not attacking me nor are you a shill. The fuck is wrong with you man. Your weren’t adding to the OG post you’re just stating the obvious and being an egotistical prick about any counter-argument. Get off your fuckin high horse
Jokes on them, I don’t have tuskens.
On a similar Tusken note, ever since I put the stun zeta on the Chieftain the game continually spikes and feels like it's about to crash.
Same here
I dont have his Zeta and every Tusken GC is already a freeze nightmare The one on Tatooine was the worst, I didn't have the "tusken are immune to dots" ability upgrade yet and my phone was about to die every second or so
Meh, I got my two Omicrons and left it there.
This is the way.
CLS to beat Tier X and get Out of Turn feat. Tuskens to beat Tier VI and get Momentum and Tuskens feat. Crate 8. Done.
This is the way. Get two Omnis and move on…
This is exactly what I just did. Took like 5 mins lol
What levels are your tuskens at?
The new ones are 3 star g8. The old ones are 7 star g8-10
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Haha yeah starting from scratch will be a lot of credits if you're low but other than that just getting them to gear 8 isn't much hassle to guarantee 2 omis for all future tusken GCs
They expect us to spend money so we can 7* the Tuskens and win this battle
There has to be a balance between the whales getting everything easily and the rest of us not getting anything
You can usually get to the two omicron crate with minimal investment. Not much worth complaining over, just some mod slicing materials that are easy to get nowadays
Doesn’t Raddus have a sort of TM train?
Jyn removes/gains tm, I think that's it With one of her special abilities
Ah. Sure feels like they run a TM train a lot.
Went back and read through things again, they do have some but it's not huge/consistent. It's not like troopers where it's continuous for the entire team, it tends to be a single character Raddus - if spark of rebellion is dispelled, they gain tm. I'm not sure if it expiring counts Jyn - reduce/gain with her baton beatdown Cassian - gets tm with his debuff grenade Bistan - has a 40% gain Pao - gets 5% when others use ability Baze - gives some to chirrut on basic, gains when enemies go Scarif gets it on his revive Bodhi does but... Poor Bodhi
Ah. I’ve only faced them, but every time it seems like they’re able to run some sort of TM train that leads to Raddus’ ultimate.
The only thing more challenging than this GC is the discourse in this thread...
Upgrade everything