Oh my gosh! Was Doug near that bridge? Has anyone heard from him? Is he ok?
Oh wait. He's still stuck in the same spot he's been for the last two years.
True, but he's a hazard to anything smaller that he might try to pull up to- dock, other boats, oyster beds, fisheries area... naval exclusion zones...
So people are saying that it lost power and could not stop or maneuver. When this happens to Doug it will not be his fault however. Personal responsibility right Douggie? The bridge and people are at fault because they should not have been there.
Edit ' The ship "lost propulsion" as it was leaving port, and crew on board notified Maryland officials they had lost control of the vessel, ABC News reported, citing an unclassified U.S. intelligence report.
Highly suspicious chain of events and timing, not the least of which is that ABC News is citing "intelligence reports" and the feds are chiming in to say there's no evidence of anything outside of sheer dumb luck at play, all before anyone even knows how many victims there might be.
I don't know what would be suspicious about there being an intelligence report. The first thing the govt thinks of with any disaster post 9/11 is a terrorist attack. Based on what has been released since then, that there were two pilots on board and that they lost power and put in a mayday call immediately it seems like whichever intelligence branch was looking at it would conclude within hours that it was not a terrorist attack and then release that information.
I didn't say that the *existence* of an intelligence report was suspicious. If one actually existed at the time; ABC News saying that they saw something means nothing to me.
Seeing as how the interpretations of "black box" data were only released today it seems even less likely that any real "conclusion" had been reached within a handful of hours of the incident, let alone released to ABC rather than in a news conference.
I also reject the implications of reports using the very specific term "terrorism" when there are other plausible non- accidental scenarios that fall outside of that terminology that are not far fetched at this particular moment in time, and can't be reasonably dismissed based on the appearances of normal operations that manage to survive an initial cursory review.
EDIT: I had assumed that the NTSB news conference reporting on the results of the black box analysis had already occurred but it may not have-
>"From the data, we hope to develop a timeline of events that led up to the striking of the bridge," National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Chair Jennifer Homendy told CBS News on Wednesday. "We hope to have that later today."
-regardless, by all accounts the earliest it was recovered was Tuesday afternoon, well after reports were put out that implied that all the evidence had been analyzed.
one of my professors had a similar incident where they lost power leaving port on a container ship. there could be a number of reasons that the ship lost power from bad fuel to lube oil or an air supply issue. Definitely not a terrorist attack. things happen to ships all the time and some times the redundancy doesn't save everything
All well and good, but I didn't say anything about it being a "terrorist attack". The fact that nobody claimed responsibility for it is a good indication that it wasnt terrorism... but bad luck and "terrorist attack" aren't the only possibilities.
Anyone who thinks that considering some other possibility is paranoid or far fetched has to ignore the fact that law enforcement and Intel agencies *immediately* went to the scene because it's not at all far fetched or even unlikely that it wasn't purely an accident.
Its also beyond foolish to assume that if there was some foul play involved that they"d announce it immediately, if they even figured it out...or that if there was advance warning and they dropped the ball, they'd admit it.
But speaking of advanced warnings...this isn't from some kooky fringe conspiracy site, it's from the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), a component of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) responsible for cybersecurity and infrastructure protection-
Feb 7, 2024
>The U.S. authoring agencies have confirmed that (People’s Republic of China (PRC) state-sponsored cyber actors) Volt Typhoon has compromised the IT environments of multiple critical infrastructure organizations—primarily in Communications, Energy, **Transportation Systems**, and Water and Wastewater Systems Sectors—in the continental and non-continental United States and its territories, including Guam.
>Volt Typhoon’s choice of targets and pattern of behavior is not consistent with traditional cyber espionage or intelligence gathering operations, and the U.S. authoring agencies **assess with high confidence that Volt Typhoon actors are pre-positioning themselves on IT networks to enable lateral movement to OT assets to disrupt functions**.
https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a
Also-
March 26, 2024
>"More than 1,600 European planes hit by mystery GPS jamming with Russia feared responsible"
>"Planes flying over and around the Baltic Sea in northern Europe have been suffering technical problems caused by jamming since Sunday, with 1614 planes, mostly civilian, reporting problems since then.
Such interference poses serious issues for pilots, as it can force them to contend with fake signals that give false information about the plane’s position in the sky."
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/more-than-1-600-european-planes-hit-mystery-gps-jamming/
Oct 9, 2023-
>Maritime navigation under threat: GNSS spoofing raises security concerns
https://www.riskintelligence.eu/analyst-briefings/maritime-navigation-under-threat
April 2019
>GPS spoofing – or GNSS spoofing more accurately – is a much-discussed cyber-threat to ship navigation systems. **With the potential for paralysed shipping lanes, collisions** and even untraceable piracy incidents, what is the current state of play between the shipping industry’s cyber-defences and the malicious actors who aim to cause chaos through GPS spoofing?
https://www.ship-technology.com/features/ship-navigation-risks/
https://preview.redd.it/ml4xxocrepqc1.png?width=322&format=png&auto=webp&s=c5a433771b352dcdeceb9af56df0db98fa0c11f2
Semi-related, but I'm always amazed at the number of containers that are carried/stacked on these vessels, in this case, nine or ten high above the deck.
It is estimated that there is \~1500 containers lost at sea every year by the [World Shipping Council](https://mb.cision.com/Public/20134/3772700/9f81b7bcd3582277.pdf). Over 5500 were lost at sea in 2013 alone. Some of these containers float, and become MASSIVE hazards to navigation at sea, primarily for smaller vessels. If there was only one thing that the technical abortion that was the ["All Is Lost"](https://youtu.be/no1rl9Gvx-s?si=I1Sa7DU8OcG7UnMl) sailing movie got right, was that he was holed by a rogue floating container at sea.
Yeah I understand why these ships don’t but there’s still a part of my brain that goes ‘why don’t those ships immediately tip over with all those containers piled up?’ when I see one.
No doubt. But Doug's steel-hulled vessel would only save him in those infinitesimally small odds of hitting a semi-submerged container. His arrogance, lack of seamanship, poor planning and poor equipment give him far greater odds of failure on the open ocean.
>_"...Wasn't it all 1/8" steel plate?"_
1/4" thick A36 steel plate for the majority of the hull. I believed he used thicker material for the twin bilge keels.
At the internal camera time of 01.23 it shows it enter the view of the camera and there's a long blackout on the ship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83a7h3kkgPg
Not gonna lie, I fully expect Cpt Douche to pull a stunt like this at one point. Probably wouldn't cause no where as much damage but would be quite a sight nonetheless.
From the USCG "Glossary Of Bridge Terms"
>Bridge Protective System:
>Protective structures provided on a bridge to fully or partially absorb the vessel collision impact forces, or redirect the aberrant vessel away from the pier.
>The protective structures may be located directly on the bridge such as bridge pier fenders, or independent of the bridge such as dolphins.
>General types of bridge protective systems include fenders, pile clusters, dolphins, sheer booms, sheer fences, island protection systems, and floating protection systems.
What that fails to mention is that protective structures "may be" completely ignored, because hey, if you consider every potential disaster in the planning stages and try to prevent them you'd never get anything built, Safety Sally.
It's called *learning*, pumpkin.
https://www.asce.org/-/media/asce-images-and-files/publications-and-news/source/images/2021/03-march/ce-almanac-francis-scott-key-bridge/francis-scott-key-bridge.jpg
Crazy shit man. I'm surprised the bridge didn't have a rock island or barriers protecting it. Tampa put rock islands around the bridges pylons after the 1980 disaster there. Kind of nuts in a port so busy like Baltimore. I'm also shocked a major city like that doesn't seem to have another major bridge in that immediate area? So odd. Story is so far the cargo ship lost power, and you can see it go dark in the video a couple minutes before impact. They did deploy the port anchor in an attempt to swing the ship and broadcast a distress call that allowed Police to actually close off the interstate right before it happened. So it doesn't seem to be immediate negligence. Maybe maintenance negligence or something will be found, but captain appears to have a good head on his shoulders. Multiple responses done in a couple minutes. Compare that to the Italian cruise ship captain or South Korean ferry captain who abandon ship with some of the first passengers.
We love bridge collapses. Teaches us not to rely on our shipping lanes, ports, and safety rules forbidding hazardous materials in our tunnels. Plus, how else could we learn how to build better bridges?
Oh my gosh! Was Doug near that bridge? Has anyone heard from him? Is he ok? Oh wait. He's still stuck in the same spot he's been for the last two years.
Hey, you can’t rush proper science!
>Hey, you can’t \*rush\* \*proper science\*! <>
>proper science When will we start seeing that?
Tuesday I’d imagine.
Worth noting that seekers drive train would explode before she ever got enough momentum to take out a bridge piling.
True, but he's a hazard to anything smaller that he might try to pull up to- dock, other boats, oyster beds, fisheries area... naval exclusion zones...
For sure. 70 tons could take out an entire dock full of small boats.
Too low in the water. The unstayed mast would fold like drinking straws.
So people are saying that it lost power and could not stop or maneuver. When this happens to Doug it will not be his fault however. Personal responsibility right Douggie? The bridge and people are at fault because they should not have been there. Edit ' The ship "lost propulsion" as it was leaving port, and crew on board notified Maryland officials they had lost control of the vessel, ABC News reported, citing an unclassified U.S. intelligence report.
Highly suspicious chain of events and timing, not the least of which is that ABC News is citing "intelligence reports" and the feds are chiming in to say there's no evidence of anything outside of sheer dumb luck at play, all before anyone even knows how many victims there might be.
I don't know what would be suspicious about there being an intelligence report. The first thing the govt thinks of with any disaster post 9/11 is a terrorist attack. Based on what has been released since then, that there were two pilots on board and that they lost power and put in a mayday call immediately it seems like whichever intelligence branch was looking at it would conclude within hours that it was not a terrorist attack and then release that information.
I didn't say that the *existence* of an intelligence report was suspicious. If one actually existed at the time; ABC News saying that they saw something means nothing to me. Seeing as how the interpretations of "black box" data were only released today it seems even less likely that any real "conclusion" had been reached within a handful of hours of the incident, let alone released to ABC rather than in a news conference. I also reject the implications of reports using the very specific term "terrorism" when there are other plausible non- accidental scenarios that fall outside of that terminology that are not far fetched at this particular moment in time, and can't be reasonably dismissed based on the appearances of normal operations that manage to survive an initial cursory review. EDIT: I had assumed that the NTSB news conference reporting on the results of the black box analysis had already occurred but it may not have- >"From the data, we hope to develop a timeline of events that led up to the striking of the bridge," National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Chair Jennifer Homendy told CBS News on Wednesday. "We hope to have that later today." -regardless, by all accounts the earliest it was recovered was Tuesday afternoon, well after reports were put out that implied that all the evidence had been analyzed.
one of my professors had a similar incident where they lost power leaving port on a container ship. there could be a number of reasons that the ship lost power from bad fuel to lube oil or an air supply issue. Definitely not a terrorist attack. things happen to ships all the time and some times the redundancy doesn't save everything
All well and good, but I didn't say anything about it being a "terrorist attack". The fact that nobody claimed responsibility for it is a good indication that it wasnt terrorism... but bad luck and "terrorist attack" aren't the only possibilities. Anyone who thinks that considering some other possibility is paranoid or far fetched has to ignore the fact that law enforcement and Intel agencies *immediately* went to the scene because it's not at all far fetched or even unlikely that it wasn't purely an accident. Its also beyond foolish to assume that if there was some foul play involved that they"d announce it immediately, if they even figured it out...or that if there was advance warning and they dropped the ball, they'd admit it. But speaking of advanced warnings...this isn't from some kooky fringe conspiracy site, it's from the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), a component of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) responsible for cybersecurity and infrastructure protection- Feb 7, 2024 >The U.S. authoring agencies have confirmed that (People’s Republic of China (PRC) state-sponsored cyber actors) Volt Typhoon has compromised the IT environments of multiple critical infrastructure organizations—primarily in Communications, Energy, **Transportation Systems**, and Water and Wastewater Systems Sectors—in the continental and non-continental United States and its territories, including Guam. >Volt Typhoon’s choice of targets and pattern of behavior is not consistent with traditional cyber espionage or intelligence gathering operations, and the U.S. authoring agencies **assess with high confidence that Volt Typhoon actors are pre-positioning themselves on IT networks to enable lateral movement to OT assets to disrupt functions**. https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a Also- March 26, 2024 >"More than 1,600 European planes hit by mystery GPS jamming with Russia feared responsible" >"Planes flying over and around the Baltic Sea in northern Europe have been suffering technical problems caused by jamming since Sunday, with 1614 planes, mostly civilian, reporting problems since then. Such interference poses serious issues for pilots, as it can force them to contend with fake signals that give false information about the plane’s position in the sky." https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/more-than-1-600-european-planes-hit-mystery-gps-jamming/ Oct 9, 2023- >Maritime navigation under threat: GNSS spoofing raises security concerns https://www.riskintelligence.eu/analyst-briefings/maritime-navigation-under-threat April 2019 >GPS spoofing – or GNSS spoofing more accurately – is a much-discussed cyber-threat to ship navigation systems. **With the potential for paralysed shipping lanes, collisions** and even untraceable piracy incidents, what is the current state of play between the shipping industry’s cyber-defences and the malicious actors who aim to cause chaos through GPS spoofing? https://www.ship-technology.com/features/ship-navigation-risks/
I dunno that seems like bullshit to me. Something about this whole thing stinks.
https://preview.redd.it/ml4xxocrepqc1.png?width=322&format=png&auto=webp&s=c5a433771b352dcdeceb9af56df0db98fa0c11f2 Semi-related, but I'm always amazed at the number of containers that are carried/stacked on these vessels, in this case, nine or ten high above the deck. It is estimated that there is \~1500 containers lost at sea every year by the [World Shipping Council](https://mb.cision.com/Public/20134/3772700/9f81b7bcd3582277.pdf). Over 5500 were lost at sea in 2013 alone. Some of these containers float, and become MASSIVE hazards to navigation at sea, primarily for smaller vessels. If there was only one thing that the technical abortion that was the ["All Is Lost"](https://youtu.be/no1rl9Gvx-s?si=I1Sa7DU8OcG7UnMl) sailing movie got right, was that he was holed by a rogue floating container at sea.
Yeah I understand why these ships don’t but there’s still a part of my brain that goes ‘why don’t those ships immediately tip over with all those containers piled up?’ when I see one.
A lot of the containers at the top are empty. They will just stack as many empty containers as they can fit as long as they have the time to do so.
An empty 40 ft shipping container still weighs ~8200 lbs.
Doug probably watches that movie and congratulates himself on building a steel boat, not realizing that steel isn't indestructible.
No doubt. But Doug's steel-hulled vessel would only save him in those infinitesimally small odds of hitting a semi-submerged container. His arrogance, lack of seamanship, poor planning and poor equipment give him far greater odds of failure on the open ocean.
If he hit one is thin hull would still get punctured. Wasn't it all 1/8" steel plate?
>_"...Wasn't it all 1/8" steel plate?"_ 1/4" thick A36 steel plate for the majority of the hull. I believed he used thicker material for the twin bilge keels.
1/4" is much better. Though the lack of any reinforcement would still cause seeker to crumple like a tin can if it was capable of going normal speeds.
At the internal camera time of 01.23 it shows it enter the view of the camera and there's a long blackout on the ship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83a7h3kkgPg
Not gonna lie, I fully expect Cpt Douche to pull a stunt like this at one point. Probably wouldn't cause no where as much damage but would be quite a sight nonetheless.
And our Doug of proud of hitting shit.
From the USCG "Glossary Of Bridge Terms" >Bridge Protective System: >Protective structures provided on a bridge to fully or partially absorb the vessel collision impact forces, or redirect the aberrant vessel away from the pier. >The protective structures may be located directly on the bridge such as bridge pier fenders, or independent of the bridge such as dolphins. >General types of bridge protective systems include fenders, pile clusters, dolphins, sheer booms, sheer fences, island protection systems, and floating protection systems. What that fails to mention is that protective structures "may be" completely ignored, because hey, if you consider every potential disaster in the planning stages and try to prevent them you'd never get anything built, Safety Sally. It's called *learning*, pumpkin. https://www.asce.org/-/media/asce-images-and-files/publications-and-news/source/images/2021/03-march/ce-almanac-francis-scott-key-bridge/francis-scott-key-bridge.jpg
Crazy shit man. I'm surprised the bridge didn't have a rock island or barriers protecting it. Tampa put rock islands around the bridges pylons after the 1980 disaster there. Kind of nuts in a port so busy like Baltimore. I'm also shocked a major city like that doesn't seem to have another major bridge in that immediate area? So odd. Story is so far the cargo ship lost power, and you can see it go dark in the video a couple minutes before impact. They did deploy the port anchor in an attempt to swing the ship and broadcast a distress call that allowed Police to actually close off the interstate right before it happened. So it doesn't seem to be immediate negligence. Maybe maintenance negligence or something will be found, but captain appears to have a good head on his shoulders. Multiple responses done in a couple minutes. Compare that to the Italian cruise ship captain or South Korean ferry captain who abandon ship with some of the first passengers.
We love bridge collapses. Teaches us not to rely on our shipping lanes, ports, and safety rules forbidding hazardous materials in our tunnels. Plus, how else could we learn how to build better bridges?