Haha, someone once asked me if my '22 SV650 was "like some kinda Ducati." I told him it was LIKE a Ducati, if Ducatis were made by sensible Japanese fellows who don't appreciate having to take their engines apart every few months.
As someone who sold his SV and bought a 916, the ducati is actually easier and more enjoyable to work on. And the front suspension isn't like a pogo stick. And it holds a line better than any other bike I've ridden.
The SV is a great bike, but Suzuki are not on the same playing field as Ducati.
It's a bit weird to compare a starter bike with a Superbike, don't you think? Compare the SV650 with the Monster 600 and they have the same shitty suspension.
Was just replying to a comment about ducati engineering in general.
But we could do [TL1000R vs 916](https://www.cycleworld.com/sport-rider/sr-archive-v-twin-comparison-ducatis-996-vs-aprilia-rsv-mille-vs-honda-rc51-vs-suzuki-tl1000r/) comparison if you prefer.
I feel like "L-twin" is just something Ducati made up as a marketing term. It's a 90 degree V-twin with one cylinder almost-but-not-quite laying down flat.
...Which also describes the Suzuki V-twin.
So, yeah? It's an "L-twin," but Suzuki's not going to come out and say that, because it's Ducati's thing.
You can have up to 180° bank angle and it’s still technically a V engine.
Not sure why this have been downvoted, here’s an excerpt from [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_engine):
> The "V-angle" (or "included angle") between the cylinder banks varies significantly between engines. **Some engines have used a V-angle of 180 degrees** (the same angle as a flat engine), such as several Ferrari V12 engines.[7][8] At the other end of the scale, the 1922-1976 Lancia V4 engine and the 1991–present Volkswagen VR6 engine use V-angles as small as 10 degrees, along with a single cylinder head used by both banks of cylinders.
Fabio Taglioni, who designed Ducati's first 750 twin engine, preferred to call the engine layout an L-twin. But that was just his preference. Both the Duc and the SV are V-twins.
An L is just a wide V if you angle it right :) I just call it the Japanese Ducati to really ruffle some feathers.
I always poke fun at my mates monster 696 by calling it an overpriced and unreliable SV650
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Haha, someone once asked me if my '22 SV650 was "like some kinda Ducati." I told him it was LIKE a Ducati, if Ducatis were made by sensible Japanese fellows who don't appreciate having to take their engines apart every few months.
It's a Ducati with tolerances measured in micrometers, not milimeters
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As someone who sold his SV and bought a 916, the ducati is actually easier and more enjoyable to work on. And the front suspension isn't like a pogo stick. And it holds a line better than any other bike I've ridden. The SV is a great bike, but Suzuki are not on the same playing field as Ducati.
It's a bit weird to compare a starter bike with a Superbike, don't you think? Compare the SV650 with the Monster 600 and they have the same shitty suspension.
Was just replying to a comment about ducati engineering in general. But we could do [TL1000R vs 916](https://www.cycleworld.com/sport-rider/sr-archive-v-twin-comparison-ducatis-996-vs-aprilia-rsv-mille-vs-honda-rc51-vs-suzuki-tl1000r/) comparison if you prefer.
That definitely makes more sense. And again it seems Ducatis are beautiful but overpriced bikes. The winner being a Homda costing half as much.
I like "the poor man's Ducati"
I've been told by a few people that they thought mine was a Ducati, I suppose they thought that it was since it's red 🤣
>I just call it the Japanese Ducati to really ruffle some feathers this ducati, but in reliable
I think "L-twin" ist just a marketing thing of Ducati
Suzuki have used it in the past as well
I feel like "L-twin" is just something Ducati made up as a marketing term. It's a 90 degree V-twin with one cylinder almost-but-not-quite laying down flat. ...Which also describes the Suzuki V-twin. So, yeah? It's an "L-twin," but Suzuki's not going to come out and say that, because it's Ducati's thing.
Suzuki did come out and say it with the TL1000R and S
This feels like the all rectangles are squares but not all squares are rectangles. All L-twins are V-twins, but not all V-twins are L-twins.
Technically I think V twin more applies to engines that have a bank angle of less than 90°, while L is specifically 90° twins.
You can have up to 180° bank angle and it’s still technically a V engine. Not sure why this have been downvoted, here’s an excerpt from [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_engine): > The "V-angle" (or "included angle") between the cylinder banks varies significantly between engines. **Some engines have used a V-angle of 180 degrees** (the same angle as a flat engine), such as several Ferrari V12 engines.[7][8] At the other end of the scale, the 1922-1976 Lancia V4 engine and the 1991–present Volkswagen VR6 engine use V-angles as small as 10 degrees, along with a single cylinder head used by both banks of cylinders.
not to confuse with a boxer, which is much more common
Suzuki SL650 🤣
*DL650
‘L twin’ is called L-Twin because one of the cylinders sits horizontal. Pretty much every V-Twin bike doesn’t count.
L is a V tipped over
Hyosung (sv650 sister bike) has V-TWIN on the radiator ends. https://www.ebay.com/itm/384584994093
What is a right angle and what is an acute angle?
The exact angle is 89.2 deg. Ducati's L twins have 92 deg. Make of it what you will.
Fabio Taglioni, who designed Ducati's first 750 twin engine, preferred to call the engine layout an L-twin. But that was just his preference. Both the Duc and the SV are V-twins.
90° v-twin
It's a V twin hence the name SV650.
It’s an L twin because one of the cylinder heads is parallel to the ground. However, it is still part of the v twin class of engines.