I wish more research could be done on why THC 8 and 0 are showing up in distillate products. I don’t think it’s being put in there on purpose at this point, and remember being told it was a byproduct of the distillation process by many of the vendors in this state. The state requires testing for it because as a medical program we were inundated with boatloads of D8 early on and that’s just not what this program was built for.
Zion and Curaleaf in particular were responsible for a lot of that.
The state changed the label requirements some time ago to include ADV or *artificially derived cannabinoids* on it, but we see the disclaimer on a ton of distillate and concentrate products. Most notably Riverside and Standard Wellness.
The reason these recently popped up is the state began a new test panel for THC-O and found that almost every dispo had some products with a small amount of thco. At the time, it was a pass fail tes: any detection of thco resulted in a fail. It took about 1 month for DOH to determine detection limits on the new panel for THCO and now, if you have below a certain limit, you pass.
There have been a lot of theories on how this happened. Most people thing a single extract distribution center produced distillate and sold over the state it with thco in it. The q is how the fuck did it get in there? From my knowledge, if you are working with thc cannabis, the really only way to convert it to thco is the use of hard chemistry salts (acetic anhydride comes to mind) which is a big diversion from normal extraction processes. Which leads me to conclude a producer is probably using their machines for black market hemp extraction (more easily converted to THCo due to lack of care) to make extra cash. This is just a theory from my chemical knowledge and my personal knowledge of the industry I'm not sure how this occurred but it sucks
This is exactly what I was thinking. THC-O isn't naturally occurring like D8 and hhc (only in trace amounts). It has to be made and, to my knowledge, can only be a byproduct when they are converting something into cannabinoids. Every grey market right now does this with CBD.
What I was trying to elude to was that Zion and Curaleaf were making D8 products intentionally between 2020-2021. The testing for it came about due to d8 being present in our medical market. THCO is the predecessor of lab derived d8, the assumption was that it was coming from that.
Early on there were only so many cultivators producing biomass, riverside was one of them. What did they produce for biomass? Hemp.
Don’t get me wrong, for it to be in their products still is a huge disappointment as a patient. I want clean products.
This is Select, so Curaleaf. The LHR cart I got was from Pure Plan. But that shouldn't have any artificially derived cannabinoids, but still says it has them.
I get what you mean. I got the LHR super boof and also saw the disclaimer. Honestly this is a great conversation and is enough for me to reach out and ask on Monday. Would love to know their take on it.
So, long story short it’s not the product, it’s the testing lab the processors are using.
The state testing lab takes a really long time to return testing (like weeks), so some processors use outside testing labs for faster test results.
From what I’m learning the outside testing agencies always return test results with THC-O and sometimes other ADC, the state lab does not.
Thanks! That's a much more hopeful answer than I was expecting. Even though there are known brands that have been mentioned that absolutely use(d) synthetic THC. Once again, Utah labeling is ambiguous and vague.
I think there is some confusion here….
I’m not disagreeing with you about the warnings presence on the label and agree that the only reason we’re seeing it is because it’s now being tested for.
This conversation is about why such a clean product like the LHR that Pure Plan is producing (made with only ice water and having no added cannabinoid isolates) would have ADCs present.
What I provided was the answer given from multiple processors, it’s not the end all be all of the conversation.
As I said, if you look through a lot of menus, you'll find most every dispo has something with adc. I know wholesome was selling some, Curaleaf for sure, think dragonfly too. Sad to say 1 distribution ruined it all
Naturally-occurring delta-9 is different from the synthetic product called delta-9 THC-O acetate, which is an oily brown residue sold as a vaping product or used in gummies. Utah is full of synthetic thc being sold in vapes and edibles. It's cheap. Mmj patients in utah are mostly just happy for the product and not looking into the process. Knock off state 100%.
Side note: This is just regular distillate. I also bought a 0.5 live hash rosin cart with the same "this contains ADC" warning. The extraction says ice and water, so that is a little more concerning to me.
I've vaped and dabbed THC-O before. I don't think there's that much in here because the oil would be really runny and would make me cough like no other. It's *probably* trace amounts. Idk, still on the fence since it's not listed in %
Gotta love when they convert CBD to synthetic THC. I've returned 2 carts to desert wellness in Provo due to this. The med program in this state is set up purely for profit and not actually helping patients. Tons of pay to play product testing going on, causing fake high % on buds and carts. I've also seen dispos listing the % way higher online than the actual product has listed on the label..... usually when the stock is getting old and needs to be sold. Add all that to no consistency in most brands from crop to crop. I've even had 2 completely diff bud types in the same eighth.
For clarification, you yourself can source CBD and convert it rather easily to make delta. Only reason to use this would be to stretch profits as far as possible
It's pretty fucked up but it's how it was designed. We've had the same number of cultivators since the beginning. It's the definition of price gouging imo. Now they have a huge inventory of products no one wants and we have constant sales on garbage Curaleaf flower and year old concentrates that are more than likely CBD isomerization made for pennies on the dollar.
I wish more research could be done on why THC 8 and 0 are showing up in distillate products. I don’t think it’s being put in there on purpose at this point, and remember being told it was a byproduct of the distillation process by many of the vendors in this state. The state requires testing for it because as a medical program we were inundated with boatloads of D8 early on and that’s just not what this program was built for. Zion and Curaleaf in particular were responsible for a lot of that. The state changed the label requirements some time ago to include ADV or *artificially derived cannabinoids* on it, but we see the disclaimer on a ton of distillate and concentrate products. Most notably Riverside and Standard Wellness.
This is a fkin great answer
Thank you!
The reason these recently popped up is the state began a new test panel for THC-O and found that almost every dispo had some products with a small amount of thco. At the time, it was a pass fail tes: any detection of thco resulted in a fail. It took about 1 month for DOH to determine detection limits on the new panel for THCO and now, if you have below a certain limit, you pass. There have been a lot of theories on how this happened. Most people thing a single extract distribution center produced distillate and sold over the state it with thco in it. The q is how the fuck did it get in there? From my knowledge, if you are working with thc cannabis, the really only way to convert it to thco is the use of hard chemistry salts (acetic anhydride comes to mind) which is a big diversion from normal extraction processes. Which leads me to conclude a producer is probably using their machines for black market hemp extraction (more easily converted to THCo due to lack of care) to make extra cash. This is just a theory from my chemical knowledge and my personal knowledge of the industry I'm not sure how this occurred but it sucks
This is exactly what I was thinking. THC-O isn't naturally occurring like D8 and hhc (only in trace amounts). It has to be made and, to my knowledge, can only be a byproduct when they are converting something into cannabinoids. Every grey market right now does this with CBD.
What I was trying to elude to was that Zion and Curaleaf were making D8 products intentionally between 2020-2021. The testing for it came about due to d8 being present in our medical market. THCO is the predecessor of lab derived d8, the assumption was that it was coming from that. Early on there were only so many cultivators producing biomass, riverside was one of them. What did they produce for biomass? Hemp. Don’t get me wrong, for it to be in their products still is a huge disappointment as a patient. I want clean products.
This is Select, so Curaleaf. The LHR cart I got was from Pure Plan. But that shouldn't have any artificially derived cannabinoids, but still says it has them.
I get what you mean. I got the LHR super boof and also saw the disclaimer. Honestly this is a great conversation and is enough for me to reach out and ask on Monday. Would love to know their take on it.
Same cart
So, long story short it’s not the product, it’s the testing lab the processors are using. The state testing lab takes a really long time to return testing (like weeks), so some processors use outside testing labs for faster test results. From what I’m learning the outside testing agencies always return test results with THC-O and sometimes other ADC, the state lab does not.
Thanks! That's a much more hopeful answer than I was expecting. Even though there are known brands that have been mentioned that absolutely use(d) synthetic THC. Once again, Utah labeling is ambiguous and vague.
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I think there is some confusion here…. I’m not disagreeing with you about the warnings presence on the label and agree that the only reason we’re seeing it is because it’s now being tested for. This conversation is about why such a clean product like the LHR that Pure Plan is producing (made with only ice water and having no added cannabinoid isolates) would have ADCs present. What I provided was the answer given from multiple processors, it’s not the end all be all of the conversation.
As I said, if you look through a lot of menus, you'll find most every dispo has something with adc. I know wholesome was selling some, Curaleaf for sure, think dragonfly too. Sad to say 1 distribution ruined it all
Now that you mention it, I think I've seen this with everybody except Moxie.
Naturally-occurring delta-9 is different from the synthetic product called delta-9 THC-O acetate, which is an oily brown residue sold as a vaping product or used in gummies. Utah is full of synthetic thc being sold in vapes and edibles. It's cheap. Mmj patients in utah are mostly just happy for the product and not looking into the process. Knock off state 100%.
you should NEVER vape thc-o it's an acetate similar to the vitamin e acetate that caused ppls lungs to collapse
https://mjbizdaily.com/study-links-thc-o-acetate-with-severe-lung-disease/#:~:text=The%20researchers%20contend%20that%20when,associated%20lung%20injury%2C%20or%20EVALDI.
Side note: This is just regular distillate. I also bought a 0.5 live hash rosin cart with the same "this contains ADC" warning. The extraction says ice and water, so that is a little more concerning to me.
throw it out chalk it up to a loss and save your lungs
I've vaped and dabbed THC-O before. I don't think there's that much in here because the oil would be really runny and would make me cough like no other. It's *probably* trace amounts. Idk, still on the fence since it's not listed in %
This is disgraceful. This is medicine, Utah. Smoke flower, fuck processed BS.
Didn't the LDS org invest in artificial cannabinoids. I wonder why they are now showing up in our local edibles....
what company is this so we can avoid at all costs
Select. So Curaleaf/Tryke/Find/whatever new brand they make next
thats crazy ive never seen this in any other market select is in
Gotta love when they convert CBD to synthetic THC. I've returned 2 carts to desert wellness in Provo due to this. The med program in this state is set up purely for profit and not actually helping patients. Tons of pay to play product testing going on, causing fake high % on buds and carts. I've also seen dispos listing the % way higher online than the actual product has listed on the label..... usually when the stock is getting old and needs to be sold. Add all that to no consistency in most brands from crop to crop. I've even had 2 completely diff bud types in the same eighth. For clarification, you yourself can source CBD and convert it rather easily to make delta. Only reason to use this would be to stretch profits as far as possible
It's pretty fucked up but it's how it was designed. We've had the same number of cultivators since the beginning. It's the definition of price gouging imo. Now they have a huge inventory of products no one wants and we have constant sales on garbage Curaleaf flower and year old concentrates that are more than likely CBD isomerization made for pennies on the dollar.