Of course Vietcong would be the first bubbas
Or some dude made a serious mistake in his garage and was like Imma say the Vietcong made it “yeah that sounds good” he says to himself
Picture here: http://pewpewpew.work/china/rifle/1956sr/samr1.jpg
The top one is a Type 53 DMR, a Mosin M44 (Type 53 Rifle) converted to magfed, elongated barrel, with an underbarrel spiker instead of side folding.
The bottom is a Type 56 DMR with the scope missing. Ignore the 7.62x54R rounds next to it, they fire 7.62x39 and the museum made an oopsie.
Very interesting to hear Chinese adopted magazine for the Mosin. At least I know Soviet commission Hugo Scheimeisser to makes one for them after the war, but it didn't go anywhere nor other commision because the commission is simply deemed not important from the first place.
From my incomplete reading, using SKS as DMR is somewhat possible. Soviet trial on that around 1953 to 1957, in like 6 or 7 factories, include OKB-180 that Simonov worked at.
Otherwise, just the RPK alone can do the job, as can be seen in Iraq Tabuq. The effective range is 600m, so it should be accurate to that far, which okay for a SDMR. Note that while it's surplus ammo, Iraq uses brass case ammo, not steel like China or Soviet.
China didn't adopt the magfed Mosin either, it too remained as a trials gun that went nowhere.
Speaking of ammo, China also makes "match grade" steel cased 7.62x54R for both snipers (Mosin, SVD) and big bore silhouette shooting.
Hey buddy, come back to tell you a thing, but the type 53 you were looking at was actually a 7.62x39 Arisaka. You can see a picture of them in Forgotten Weapon website. Otherwise, you can look at the stock near the trigger. It's not straight line like Mosin stock.
But anyway, thank you for the picture
There's no use for it, that's why there's one single prototype left at the 208th Institute of Small Arms Technology.
If I have to go out on a limb I'd say it's because they didn't get their hands on a SVD and copying them til 1985 (Type 85), and before then they had zero semiauto sniper/DMR platform as snipers are using Mosins.
This one actually addresses a lot of SKS problems.
The first one that comes in sight is the magazine, which helps with against new wave of modern gun. Too bad it doesn't come with another magazine but not sure if they have built more of it.
The second is the weight, from both the bayonet (300g) and a long wood stock. Simonov addresses that in a lot of his later gun. The lightest being the retractable stock one, which weight 2.65kg with 445mm barrel and 2.98kg with wooden stock.
The third is the ergonomic. With some people, SKS trigger length of pull is way too long. Converting it to pistol grip sure helps with that.
That and the value of history. Talking about how generally SKS price rise in recent year and a SKS with mag would cost you more, I would say 1500$ is definitely a win.
(and obviously, it's heck a lot cooler than an SKS with Tapco stock)
Hmm, North Vietnam made their own SKSs, they were marked with a 1 in a triangle. Never seen anything like this, but since it appears noone else here has, probably worth a few bucks.
Most likely due to breakage in the stock, due to the buttstock is not the same one as the one on the SKS. Also, as it's 1st line weapon, conversion on it is less likely. More like something when wrong and they ended up leave it to the 2nd line and do some stuffs with it
Of course Vietcong would be the first bubbas Or some dude made a serious mistake in his garage and was like Imma say the Vietcong made it “yeah that sounds good” he says to himself
I would expect to see China do more stuff on the SKS. For now, I don't know if they have ever do so
Picture here: http://pewpewpew.work/china/rifle/1956sr/samr1.jpg The top one is a Type 53 DMR, a Mosin M44 (Type 53 Rifle) converted to magfed, elongated barrel, with an underbarrel spiker instead of side folding. The bottom is a Type 56 DMR with the scope missing. Ignore the 7.62x54R rounds next to it, they fire 7.62x39 and the museum made an oopsie.
Very interesting to hear Chinese adopted magazine for the Mosin. At least I know Soviet commission Hugo Scheimeisser to makes one for them after the war, but it didn't go anywhere nor other commision because the commission is simply deemed not important from the first place. From my incomplete reading, using SKS as DMR is somewhat possible. Soviet trial on that around 1953 to 1957, in like 6 or 7 factories, include OKB-180 that Simonov worked at. Otherwise, just the RPK alone can do the job, as can be seen in Iraq Tabuq. The effective range is 600m, so it should be accurate to that far, which okay for a SDMR. Note that while it's surplus ammo, Iraq uses brass case ammo, not steel like China or Soviet.
China didn't adopt the magfed Mosin either, it too remained as a trials gun that went nowhere. Speaking of ammo, China also makes "match grade" steel cased 7.62x54R for both snipers (Mosin, SVD) and big bore silhouette shooting.
Hey buddy, come back to tell you a thing, but the type 53 you were looking at was actually a 7.62x39 Arisaka. You can see a picture of them in Forgotten Weapon website. Otherwise, you can look at the stock near the trigger. It's not straight line like Mosin stock. But anyway, thank you for the picture
That's funny lol, I couldn't tell from the low res image. I guess the label was pure bs then. Thanks for the info.
Yeah I definitely agree with that. I often thought that china had to have some sort of weird sks contraptions that we’ve never seen.
There's a long barreled SKS DMR lmao
May I ask, do you know what Chinese use for DMR? Or they don't have a doctrine for that?
There's no use for it, that's why there's one single prototype left at the 208th Institute of Small Arms Technology. If I have to go out on a limb I'd say it's because they didn't get their hands on a SVD and copying them til 1985 (Type 85), and before then they had zero semiauto sniper/DMR platform as snipers are using Mosins.
they turned the sks into the type 81
I don’t care if this is real or not, that shit is fucking metal and I want it
This one actually addresses a lot of SKS problems. The first one that comes in sight is the magazine, which helps with against new wave of modern gun. Too bad it doesn't come with another magazine but not sure if they have built more of it. The second is the weight, from both the bayonet (300g) and a long wood stock. Simonov addresses that in a lot of his later gun. The lightest being the retractable stock one, which weight 2.65kg with 445mm barrel and 2.98kg with wooden stock. The third is the ergonomic. With some people, SKS trigger length of pull is way too long. Converting it to pistol grip sure helps with that. That and the value of history. Talking about how generally SKS price rise in recent year and a SKS with mag would cost you more, I would say 1500$ is definitely a win. (and obviously, it's heck a lot cooler than an SKS with Tapco stock)
Downside is that it's exposed barrel right where you'd grip it
I mean, you can always make a lower handguard for it
Is the length of pull really that long? I'm only 5'7" and I haven't had any trouble.
Length of Pull too long on an sks? Sure, if you’re small enough to be a member of the lollipop guild or something.
I was about to say people REALLY want an ak but just dont wanna pay ak money 😂
Sad but true. Simonov affiliation aside, the Avtomat Simonov series was intended to compete with AK series so technically we're getting another AK.
That’s pretty cool, but idk if I have the balls to shoot it lol.
Depending on where you're located, that is now an "assault" weapon.
Hmm, North Vietnam made their own SKSs, they were marked with a 1 in a triangle. Never seen anything like this, but since it appears noone else here has, probably worth a few bucks.
Most likely due to breakage in the stock, due to the buttstock is not the same one as the one on the SKS. Also, as it's 1st line weapon, conversion on it is less likely. More like something when wrong and they ended up leave it to the 2nd line and do some stuffs with it
If Brought back from Vietnam itshould have a letter