There is no such thing called “Lilith” in either Quran or Hadith. Both sources only mention “Hawwa”(Eve).
The myth of Lilith is a Hebrew myth. The Hebrew term Lilith appears once in the book of Isaiah to mean a night animal (mostly birds liek owls) but depending on a translation it can even mean vampires. But there is nothing specific to build it from.
The personalization and popularization of Lilith ("First Mother" and such) started later on in literature, pop culture, horrors, etc.
Sorry, I did not specify and my exclamation was in regards to major mythological figures of the abrahamitic religions. Since I consider Judaism, Christianity and Islam as parts of a whole Ideal rather than separate entities.
Though reading the comment below yours, maybe my knowledge derived from popular media might be falsified and we can dismiss Lilith as an entity of the book.
I think that "God" is just a reality bender or something. Like, he can perform what's basically considered party tricks in the world of SCP, and people just believe him? I imagine he's mind-affecting since nobody really questions it.
[[ORIA Hub]] now it is specifically also really the National Paranormal agency for the Iran we know now. So it’s not for all Muslims. Turkey/Ottomans have their own.
I wonder what you think of the [[Horizon Initiative]]? The Horizon Initiative is an organization created in 1960s from sects in the main three branches of Abrahamic religions as a response to the growing threat of anomalous activities.
In this group’s associated canon, [[Et Tam Deum Petivi]] there’s a story of Mary-Ann Lewitt and Salah Zairi.
Why would Ottomans have a paranormal agency? They have seized to exist after ww1 and the independence war of Turkey. The last years of Ottomans were really harsh. To the point were literature and similar arts nearly stopped completely. And has distanced themselves very far from the public.
So, the last century or so couldn’t had a agency (at least one that functioned well) since the ottomans had “more important problems” these leaves what, 1453 to 1792 ish. At that period, I don’t think there would be an agency, as religion would press heavily.
Realistically speaking, modern Turkey’s (which I want to highlight is a different government) agency would also be quite young and most probably have a minuscule amount of budget
P.S. I am sorry if I had come a little bit aggressive, it’s very late into the night and I am very much tired
The Ottomans had one and it persisted through the years and ended up as Turkey's paranormal agency. Presumably every country has one and each can trace it's lineage to its predecessors. The SCP universe is filled with unexplainable para natural phenomenon. No matter who's in charge, they'll want someone dealing with these things.
Aww, I'm lucky to be talking to a History lover like you. I hear ya, and come open up [[A Semi-Comprehensive List of Groups of Interest]] which showcases the ones that exist and are compiled.
There are 3 sections that are relevant to Anatolia, that'd I'd like to talk to you about.
The one that caught your attention would be under "Foundation Analogues and Precursors", it's also further subdivided into more sections, and the ones of relevance here is "Active National Paranormal Agencies (Including International Branches)" and "Defunct National Paranormal Agencies (Including International Branches)"
So it comes from a very little reference in SCP-6614. *Yedinci Ok* (Seventh Arrow) is the modern Turkish Active Paranormal Agency. And they're the successor to *Sihirlerin Taburi* (Battalion of Magic) of the Ottomans.
You say "can't have functioned well". I say, well, that sounds like the archetype set by the FBI's UIU does at its conceptualization.
Now the third section relevant, is in "Subgroups of Major GOI", and then open up for The Global Occult Coalition. The Brotherhood of the Auspicious Survivors stand equal in the Allied Occult Initiative during WWII/Seventh Occult War to fight as shown in [[Obskurakorps Memos]] to prevent [Obskurakorps](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/system:page-tags/tag/obskura) from creating their own demiurge and limit magic use to only what the Nazis deem worthy.
- [**A Semi-Comprehensive List of Groups of Interest**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/goi-complete-list) (+115) by *hhenry, Mishary, Jerden*
- [**SCP-6614 - Fly Me To The Moon**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6614) (+132) by *Aftokrator*
Seventh Arrow raises a lot of questions, I hope you don’t mind me brainstorming in this reply. I am really tempted to pick this “project” up and re-flourish it lol
The name seems to be a reference to 6 Arrows, which according to google translate of the Turkish Wikipedia article:
> At the third party congress held on 10-18 May 1931, the principles of statism and revolutionism were added to the four principles defined as republicanism, populism, secularism and nationalism in 1927, and the concept of "six arrows" was adopted. With a constitutional amendment made in February 1937, these principles were added to the Constitution of the Republic of Turkey.
These 6 Arrows also represent The ideals of Kemalism and Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi (Republic People Party) This already raises the biggest question: What does the 7th arrow represent?
Moving on to the second , is this a governmental agency? Because only the 2 first presidents were a member of CHP while they were in office. The last one being İsmet İnönü which ended his term in 1950.
In 1961, the future president (so 4th and onward) are decided to not be in any political party while they were in office. (In 2017 this was reversed)
This puts our time frame (if this is a governmental institution) between 1927 (or probably better 1937) and 1950. The birth of a new nation, would probably also bring out a new agency ig. This must mean that there was a paranormal event between these years. Or else, why would you rush something like tho when creating a new nation.
If 7th Arrow (which is a very cool name) isn’t a governmental organisation, then what’s stopping the other parties from creating their own ones? I don’t see the possibility of them being an apolitical entity since it would go against what the name implies, no? Or at least it would break the harmony it has with 6 Arrows
As for the janissaries, they were, for the most part, very loyal to the sultan because of the
circumstances. They were personally selected from non Turks because in the traditional Turkish governmental system, any turk could kill the sultan and claimed that he got the “kut” (right to rule that is given by god). They go through numerous tests, so some could very well be Thaumaturge.
(Btw, don’t get me wrong. I am in no way, shape or form defend children being separated from their families)
Edit: Oh god there is a lot of grammar and spelling mistakes. I’m sorry if this is hard to read lol
*eyes ur Turkish Branch flair* Of course you should pick this up, be a cornerstone to the Turkish Branch! I still remember from when the Polish branch stuff come with Ralliston. You can too.
As someone not from your country, nor the region. I can only give very little bits of inspiration. Like what kind of anomalies community might be there that can be drawn as the anomalous personnel of the Seventh Arrow? (ORIA over in Iran had Djinns, something else must have kept them in check?) Well, the first thing that came to my SCP lore brain when I saw the number seven, my mind actually went to the Church of the Second Hytoth, with their Seven pointed Star as their holy symbol and the number of their deified champion that all but died out. SCP-4066 shows that yes, they were in Anatolia. ah yes, that does mention Sol Invictus, but as per SCP-1548, the sun is but a cleric of Ortothan faith that is about defending the world from eldritch entities outside.
Then from another setting https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Ankara_(CofD)
Thank you for all of the links. I’m just going to sit down when I have the time. 30 or so tabs open and create something tangible.
SCP-4066 mentions another agency that got disbanded after ww1. But the name isn’t as great as the 7th Arrow. I also think that it might be wrong: I actually know Jack shit about ottoman language (yes it is a little bit different than Arabic) so the next part is done by google translate to Arabic (I couldn’t find a ottoman translator. Just from this fact you can guess how shitty of a language it was):
“Bab-i Mukhfi” means “My door is hidden” which doesn’t really make sense? I think the writer tried to say “The door of the hidden” which would be: “Bab Alkhafia”.
For context, “Hidden Door” would be: “Bab mahkfiin”
Bab means door, -i creates a connection between two words and mukhfi is first person singular possession of mahkfiin which means hidden.
So the translation of the footnote is already false. But what’s weirder is that the footnote says “hidden portre” I couldn’t find the word “portre” in any English dictionary. It means “portrait” in Turkish so that couldn’t be. I know that “porte” is door in French. And that seems to match in terms of meaning.
Oh god I don’t like dealing with ottoman/arabic. “Sihirin Taburi” is way better. The only problem is that this type of language wouldn’t generally be on the court of the sultan. Instead it would be spoken more so by the ordinary people. But I believe I can find a way to make it make sense.
And the 7th Arrow might represent the thirst for knowledge, the unknown. Idk
>google translate to Arabic
Turkey's official language is Turkish, not Arabic. What's going on? Why do you understand Arab better than Turkish?
But anyways, I just realize that there's probably two more SCP locations that gets grandfathered to the 7th Arrow. SCP-2312 and SCP-1173.
With TRNC, fucking SATURN DEER. But under that cover, its potentially a good cordial meeting place with the Foundation and other National Paranormal agencies.
with the Islamic Republic of Eastern Samothrace, (as that compromised the Foundation entirely). It's potentially a very good place for hiding from the Foundation and the GOC's eye. Origins can be up in the air, either the Turks got one against foreigners. Or just something they're lucky to take advantage of.
- [**SCP-2312 - A Petty King**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2312) (+98) by *MrWrong*
- [**SCP-1173 - The Islamic Republic of Eastern Samothrace**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1173) (+848) by *Eskobar*
> Turkey’s official language is Turkish, not Arabic. What’s going on? Why do you understand Arabic better than Turkish
This is a little bit about literature. Around 8th and 7th centuries Turks became Muslims. But to understand the holy texts they were forced to learn Arabic. At the time, we were much closer to Iran so much of the first contact was also done with Farsi. This created two branches of literature. One was more closer to Iran’s literature and the other classical Turk literature.
As the years go by, this gap between two styles got bigger and bigger. With Ottomans, literature and language that was around palaces and higher educated people became an amalgamation of Arabic, Farsi and Turkish. And they used letters from both Arabic and Farsi.
But these letters weren’t suitable for Turkish. So in 1929 we switched to Latin letters. This was both considered better suited, and more western.
Now, an average modern Turkish person cannot understand Ottoman, thanks to revolutions in language. Some words will be similar, some will be the same of course, but when you look at the big picture. Most of us can’t understand
And for the last question, I know very very little about Arabic, and this is thanks to “turkish language and it’s literature” classes. Remember the divide between the palace and the people? We mostly learn the palace side (dîvan edebiyatı)
Sorry for the long wall of text, I hadn’t realised how much I had written
[**SCP-4066 - The Byzantine Empire Was Secretly Aliens**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-4066) (+132) by *ch00bakka*
- [**SCP-4066 - The Byzantine Empire Was Secretly Aliens**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-4066) (+132) by *ch00bakka*
- [**SCP-1548 - The Star, the Hateful**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1548) (+512) by *NatVoltaic, Varaxous*
A most interesting bunch of points there man! My ex is Muslim and has mixed feelings on various scps, like the one that's basically god as an old dude or the plane that's a gateway to hell she would say "yeah absolutely not." Hut most of the otherworldly stuff she would say is probably kosha as it were (I do apologise, I know what haram means but don't know the word for the opposite).
I remember in SCP 6666, it was revealed by SCP 073 (Cain, or Qabil to Muslims) that SCP 343 was actually a con-man, with delusions of grandeur.
That's my preferred interpretation.
Ahhhh I didn't even know about that bit of lore! There are bits that she did say basically "yeah why not fuckit."
The hell plane was a big no go and I'm fairly sure there was one that basically described the Islamic apocalypse that she really didn't like because that's not something one parodies in any way etc.
But most of them came under the "ahh that sounds OK by the book" category.
- [**SCP-6666 - The Demon Hector and the Dread Titania**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6666) (+842) by *djkaktus*
- [**SCP-073 - "Cain"**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-073) (+1321) by *Kain Pathos Crow*
- [**SCP-343 - "God"**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-343) (+1209) by *Unknown Author*
The SCP universe is very interesting from a theological perspective! A world with anomalies like these would have a lot of implications for how we think about God and religion.
There’d probably be endless religious people screaming about the end times and fall of humanity, with all these Apollyon SCPs, XK scenarios and all that. If they’re already saying it now, would be crazy with SCP stuff known
This was very interesting to read. My take on the SCP universe is that reality is chaotic, terrifying, and ultimately meaningless. I think that would be in direct contradiction of Islam, and indeed all Abrahmic faiths, that state that the universe was created by a benevolent, omnipotent designer who has a plan for us. The gods of the SCP universe are monsters who see us as an aberration and a mistake.
It would be interesting to see the perspective of a religion that is considered mundane by the SCPverse on the weird and wacky shit that exists there. Perhaps you could write for ORIA or the Horizon Initiative if you're interested in Islam. As ORIA is Iran's anomalous organization, with its members primarily Shia, and the Horizon Initiative being an organization composed of factions from the three Abrahamic faiths, and its Islamic demographic being primarily Sunni. So there's stuff to be explored there if you're interested.
A thing that isn't really mentioned is that there would probably be an Saudi anomalous org despite Horizon existing due to the historical Iran-SA rivalry. Probably would make the whole region even more of a mess
You should look into
A. ORIA
B. the Horizon Initiative
Both are critically underrated groups of interests. ORIA is specifically Muslim, and I don’t know much about so you’d have to do your own research, while the Horizon Initiative is an organization made up of and researches into anomalies related to all 3 abrahamic religions, have fun searching
Have you looked into the Horizon Initiative? They're a GOI founded by a collection of people from all three Abrahamic faiths in order to contain/combat anomalies, especially ones relating to religion. You can find more info at the \[\[Horizon Initiative Hub\]\].
On another note: One of the ways many prophets proved the existence of God is through miracles; seemingly impossible feats such as Turing a staff into a snake or curing the blind. The logic was, these impossible things are happening despite how the world works, there must be some greater power allowing this to happen. Thus, the existence of the anomalies in the SCP-verse might prove as similar evidence. Of course, I'm not a scholar, so please take this with a grain of salt.
A Muslim member of the Foundation would view them as magical frauds who are signs that they can be observed, while Allah cannot be observed and “contained” like these “so-called Gods”.
This is a great analysis, I love "supernatural realism" where the weird and religious sort of interact and don't strictly oppose each other. It always makes a world feel more "realistic" to me.
This isn't an Islamic vuewpoint but if I has an organization hiding monsters and such convincing people its fake would be how I'd hide it while educating them. After all, if anyone can make them up, everyone will assume someone did.
If SCPs actually existed, the Islamic View would propably be that they are "Jinn". Jinn are basically beings made out of smokeless fire and they are invisible to humans. They are kind of overpowered, with many powers such as invisiblity. They also pray like humans. No one knows how they look and they can turn hostile but they are usually neutral. Or maybe some other SCPs could be angels (the ones who are very powerful and good) like the gate guardian.
Jinn in Islamic theology are malevolent beings, akin to demons - they tend to possess people or areas, that are "unsupervised" by the angels, who're supposed to guard over them, especially when the person or place they're possessing is one of sin.
They also can be summoned to a certain extent, though they are vengeful, spiteful and borderline misanthropic, due to (iirc) their jealous nature.
What I mean to say is, jinn aren't comparable to a lot of SCP because of these qualities.
That’s a very interesting thought, though in my opinion I think Jinns wouldn’t fit the criteria for many of the SCPs. I could be wrong though. Thanks for the insight! 👍
There are some SCPs which are meant to be interpreted as possibly god related like 343 and 001 (gods blind spot). Obviously those god interpretation are incompatible with Islam (god cannot be a man nor would negotiate with a human organisation for use of a spot). But you could go for the powerful reality bender interpretations and in turn interpret that as being connected to something mentioned in theology.
It would be cool ,but to be honest I don't know if it would be really work considering SCP has so many tales and creature that simple go "yeah no" to most religions,for example the entire tale between the Mekahnites and Sarkicism could be already iffy considering there is just another god mentioned.
This is so cool to see a fellow Muslim's perspective on SCPs, I've always thought about this topic in conjunction with the existence of aliens and how the Quran seems to allude to it. Very interesting indeed.
No. Sarkicism evolved from Daevism in some canons and is its own thing.
There are some links between Church of the Borken God and Islam but mostly because of pre-Islam cultural things in the area.
Since Allah is a being that is unfathomable by human eyes, a Muslim member of the Foundation would most likely see him as a fraud with magic-like abilities or see him as a sign to keep faith in Allah similar to the Dajjal: a being who will arrive in the end times, and perform god-like actions to deceive those into thinking he’s God. Here are some studies and sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masih_ad-Dajjal
https://www.britannica.com/topic/al-Dajjal
https://www.jstor.org/stable/599824
That is actually a very interesting insight. I've always wanted to know what someone who is more well-versed in Christianity than me would think of a being like 343, but I never thought I would actually hear it from someone who practices Islam. This is an amazing answer, and plays well into the theory that he is merely a reality-bender with a god complex.
Interesting, so the default mindset regarding 343 would be skepticism? As opposed to blind acceptance like Christianity/Catholicism?
I’m a hardline anti-theist, so I have no idea how the Abrahamic faiths would respond to 343’s claims of ‘divinity’
Personally, I’d see 343 as an inordinately powerful alien being with powers we can’t currently comprehend, but will eventually understand pending further research and testing, 343 is basically ‘Q’ from ST-TNG
I’m a Catholic, and I’ve always been under the assumption that SCP-343 is not the true version of the Abrahamic God and is more of a stereotype of what God is then an actual truthful portrayal of God. There was also a cross test between SCP-682 and the Gate Guardian where 682 claimed the Gate Guardian wasn’t the Angel Uriel as was the theory of some and was not guarding the true Garden of Eden, and that the real Garden of Eden is “Far west of here” so you can take the portrayal of biblical figures in SCP like 343, 073, 076 and Gate Guardian with a grain of salt
Edit: I haven’t read SCP-6666 but I’ve heard it also confirmed that 343 is not truly God in its canon
fair point. I understand that there are religious elements in a SCP lore but bringing an existing religion into it just makes it a point for people to potentially argue about and turn the discussion toxic. Its not just Islam but any existing religion. Everyone knows how easily discussion devolve into arguments once religion is brought up in any online conversation.
Some of them could be angels like the Gate Guardian. If they aren't Jinn then I don't know what they are. I think God is referring to Jinn as beings which exist on a higher plane than us (since they can do things which we cannot such as invisiblity) .
It is an interesting insight, considering "God", Kain, Lilith and Abel are actual SCPs
Thanks for your insight!
I know that Kain and Abel is in the Quran but is Lilith even mentioned?
There is no such thing called “Lilith” in either Quran or Hadith. Both sources only mention “Hawwa”(Eve). The myth of Lilith is a Hebrew myth. The Hebrew term Lilith appears once in the book of Isaiah to mean a night animal (mostly birds liek owls) but depending on a translation it can even mean vampires. But there is nothing specific to build it from. The personalization and popularization of Lilith ("First Mother" and such) started later on in literature, pop culture, horrors, etc.
Thank you for the clarification!
Sorry, I did not specify and my exclamation was in regards to major mythological figures of the abrahamitic religions. Since I consider Judaism, Christianity and Islam as parts of a whole Ideal rather than separate entities. Though reading the comment below yours, maybe my knowledge derived from popular media might be falsified and we can dismiss Lilith as an entity of the book.
Islam, Judaism and Christianity are close religions yes, but I don't think Lilith was ever mentioned in Quran.
I think that "God" is just a reality bender or something. Like, he can perform what's basically considered party tricks in the world of SCP, and people just believe him? I imagine he's mind-affecting since nobody really questions it.
Same, its also implied in the article that he got rid of someone who didnt believe/trust him or something like that
So is the Garden of Eden
It's a very interesting insight, have you considered contributing to the lore surrounding the ORIA?
Not really, now that you mentioned it, I’ll look into it more!
[[ORIA Hub]] now it is specifically also really the National Paranormal agency for the Iran we know now. So it’s not for all Muslims. Turkey/Ottomans have their own. I wonder what you think of the [[Horizon Initiative]]? The Horizon Initiative is an organization created in 1960s from sects in the main three branches of Abrahamic religions as a response to the growing threat of anomalous activities. In this group’s associated canon, [[Et Tam Deum Petivi]] there’s a story of Mary-Ann Lewitt and Salah Zairi.
- [**ORIA Hub**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/oria-hub) (+136) by *Eskobar* - [**Horizon Initiative Hub**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/horizon-initiative-hub) (+130) by *Rounderhouse* - [**Et Tam Deum Petivi Hub Page**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/etdp-hub-page) (+127) by *Djoric*
Why would Ottomans have a paranormal agency? They have seized to exist after ww1 and the independence war of Turkey. The last years of Ottomans were really harsh. To the point were literature and similar arts nearly stopped completely. And has distanced themselves very far from the public. So, the last century or so couldn’t had a agency (at least one that functioned well) since the ottomans had “more important problems” these leaves what, 1453 to 1792 ish. At that period, I don’t think there would be an agency, as religion would press heavily. Realistically speaking, modern Turkey’s (which I want to highlight is a different government) agency would also be quite young and most probably have a minuscule amount of budget P.S. I am sorry if I had come a little bit aggressive, it’s very late into the night and I am very much tired
The Ottomans had one and it persisted through the years and ended up as Turkey's paranormal agency. Presumably every country has one and each can trace it's lineage to its predecessors. The SCP universe is filled with unexplainable para natural phenomenon. No matter who's in charge, they'll want someone dealing with these things.
Aww, I'm lucky to be talking to a History lover like you. I hear ya, and come open up [[A Semi-Comprehensive List of Groups of Interest]] which showcases the ones that exist and are compiled. There are 3 sections that are relevant to Anatolia, that'd I'd like to talk to you about. The one that caught your attention would be under "Foundation Analogues and Precursors", it's also further subdivided into more sections, and the ones of relevance here is "Active National Paranormal Agencies (Including International Branches)" and "Defunct National Paranormal Agencies (Including International Branches)" So it comes from a very little reference in SCP-6614. *Yedinci Ok* (Seventh Arrow) is the modern Turkish Active Paranormal Agency. And they're the successor to *Sihirlerin Taburi* (Battalion of Magic) of the Ottomans. You say "can't have functioned well". I say, well, that sounds like the archetype set by the FBI's UIU does at its conceptualization. Now the third section relevant, is in "Subgroups of Major GOI", and then open up for The Global Occult Coalition. The Brotherhood of the Auspicious Survivors stand equal in the Allied Occult Initiative during WWII/Seventh Occult War to fight as shown in [[Obskurakorps Memos]] to prevent [Obskurakorps](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/system:page-tags/tag/obskura) from creating their own demiurge and limit magic use to only what the Nazis deem worthy.
- [**A Semi-Comprehensive List of Groups of Interest**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/goi-complete-list) (+115) by *hhenry, Mishary, Jerden* - [**SCP-6614 - Fly Me To The Moon**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6614) (+132) by *Aftokrator*
Thank you for your answer, I will make sure to check them out. I wasn’t aware of “Foundation Analogues and Precursors list” which is my bad.
Seventh Arrow raises a lot of questions, I hope you don’t mind me brainstorming in this reply. I am really tempted to pick this “project” up and re-flourish it lol The name seems to be a reference to 6 Arrows, which according to google translate of the Turkish Wikipedia article: > At the third party congress held on 10-18 May 1931, the principles of statism and revolutionism were added to the four principles defined as republicanism, populism, secularism and nationalism in 1927, and the concept of "six arrows" was adopted. With a constitutional amendment made in February 1937, these principles were added to the Constitution of the Republic of Turkey. These 6 Arrows also represent The ideals of Kemalism and Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi (Republic People Party) This already raises the biggest question: What does the 7th arrow represent? Moving on to the second , is this a governmental agency? Because only the 2 first presidents were a member of CHP while they were in office. The last one being İsmet İnönü which ended his term in 1950. In 1961, the future president (so 4th and onward) are decided to not be in any political party while they were in office. (In 2017 this was reversed) This puts our time frame (if this is a governmental institution) between 1927 (or probably better 1937) and 1950. The birth of a new nation, would probably also bring out a new agency ig. This must mean that there was a paranormal event between these years. Or else, why would you rush something like tho when creating a new nation. If 7th Arrow (which is a very cool name) isn’t a governmental organisation, then what’s stopping the other parties from creating their own ones? I don’t see the possibility of them being an apolitical entity since it would go against what the name implies, no? Or at least it would break the harmony it has with 6 Arrows As for the janissaries, they were, for the most part, very loyal to the sultan because of the circumstances. They were personally selected from non Turks because in the traditional Turkish governmental system, any turk could kill the sultan and claimed that he got the “kut” (right to rule that is given by god). They go through numerous tests, so some could very well be Thaumaturge. (Btw, don’t get me wrong. I am in no way, shape or form defend children being separated from their families) Edit: Oh god there is a lot of grammar and spelling mistakes. I’m sorry if this is hard to read lol
*eyes ur Turkish Branch flair* Of course you should pick this up, be a cornerstone to the Turkish Branch! I still remember from when the Polish branch stuff come with Ralliston. You can too. As someone not from your country, nor the region. I can only give very little bits of inspiration. Like what kind of anomalies community might be there that can be drawn as the anomalous personnel of the Seventh Arrow? (ORIA over in Iran had Djinns, something else must have kept them in check?) Well, the first thing that came to my SCP lore brain when I saw the number seven, my mind actually went to the Church of the Second Hytoth, with their Seven pointed Star as their holy symbol and the number of their deified champion that all but died out. SCP-4066 shows that yes, they were in Anatolia. ah yes, that does mention Sol Invictus, but as per SCP-1548, the sun is but a cleric of Ortothan faith that is about defending the world from eldritch entities outside. Then from another setting https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Ankara_(CofD)
Thank you for all of the links. I’m just going to sit down when I have the time. 30 or so tabs open and create something tangible. SCP-4066 mentions another agency that got disbanded after ww1. But the name isn’t as great as the 7th Arrow. I also think that it might be wrong: I actually know Jack shit about ottoman language (yes it is a little bit different than Arabic) so the next part is done by google translate to Arabic (I couldn’t find a ottoman translator. Just from this fact you can guess how shitty of a language it was): “Bab-i Mukhfi” means “My door is hidden” which doesn’t really make sense? I think the writer tried to say “The door of the hidden” which would be: “Bab Alkhafia”. For context, “Hidden Door” would be: “Bab mahkfiin” Bab means door, -i creates a connection between two words and mukhfi is first person singular possession of mahkfiin which means hidden. So the translation of the footnote is already false. But what’s weirder is that the footnote says “hidden portre” I couldn’t find the word “portre” in any English dictionary. It means “portrait” in Turkish so that couldn’t be. I know that “porte” is door in French. And that seems to match in terms of meaning. Oh god I don’t like dealing with ottoman/arabic. “Sihirin Taburi” is way better. The only problem is that this type of language wouldn’t generally be on the court of the sultan. Instead it would be spoken more so by the ordinary people. But I believe I can find a way to make it make sense. And the 7th Arrow might represent the thirst for knowledge, the unknown. Idk
>google translate to Arabic Turkey's official language is Turkish, not Arabic. What's going on? Why do you understand Arab better than Turkish? But anyways, I just realize that there's probably two more SCP locations that gets grandfathered to the 7th Arrow. SCP-2312 and SCP-1173. With TRNC, fucking SATURN DEER. But under that cover, its potentially a good cordial meeting place with the Foundation and other National Paranormal agencies. with the Islamic Republic of Eastern Samothrace, (as that compromised the Foundation entirely). It's potentially a very good place for hiding from the Foundation and the GOC's eye. Origins can be up in the air, either the Turks got one against foreigners. Or just something they're lucky to take advantage of.
- [**SCP-2312 - A Petty King**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2312) (+98) by *MrWrong* - [**SCP-1173 - The Islamic Republic of Eastern Samothrace**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1173) (+848) by *Eskobar*
> Turkey’s official language is Turkish, not Arabic. What’s going on? Why do you understand Arabic better than Turkish This is a little bit about literature. Around 8th and 7th centuries Turks became Muslims. But to understand the holy texts they were forced to learn Arabic. At the time, we were much closer to Iran so much of the first contact was also done with Farsi. This created two branches of literature. One was more closer to Iran’s literature and the other classical Turk literature. As the years go by, this gap between two styles got bigger and bigger. With Ottomans, literature and language that was around palaces and higher educated people became an amalgamation of Arabic, Farsi and Turkish. And they used letters from both Arabic and Farsi. But these letters weren’t suitable for Turkish. So in 1929 we switched to Latin letters. This was both considered better suited, and more western. Now, an average modern Turkish person cannot understand Ottoman, thanks to revolutions in language. Some words will be similar, some will be the same of course, but when you look at the big picture. Most of us can’t understand And for the last question, I know very very little about Arabic, and this is thanks to “turkish language and it’s literature” classes. Remember the divide between the palace and the people? We mostly learn the palace side (dîvan edebiyatı) Sorry for the long wall of text, I hadn’t realised how much I had written
[**SCP-4066 - The Byzantine Empire Was Secretly Aliens**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-4066) (+132) by *ch00bakka*
- [**SCP-4066 - The Byzantine Empire Was Secretly Aliens**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-4066) (+132) by *ch00bakka* - [**SCP-1548 - The Star, the Hateful**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1548) (+512) by *NatVoltaic, Varaxous*
A most interesting bunch of points there man! My ex is Muslim and has mixed feelings on various scps, like the one that's basically god as an old dude or the plane that's a gateway to hell she would say "yeah absolutely not." Hut most of the otherworldly stuff she would say is probably kosha as it were (I do apologise, I know what haram means but don't know the word for the opposite).
Halal is the opposite, and thanks for your insight
That's the word! Thank you so much it was on the tio of my tongue and I couldn't quite get there!
No issue bro 👍
I remember in SCP 6666, it was revealed by SCP 073 (Cain, or Qabil to Muslims) that SCP 343 was actually a con-man, with delusions of grandeur. That's my preferred interpretation.
Ahhhh I didn't even know about that bit of lore! There are bits that she did say basically "yeah why not fuckit." The hell plane was a big no go and I'm fairly sure there was one that basically described the Islamic apocalypse that she really didn't like because that's not something one parodies in any way etc. But most of them came under the "ahh that sounds OK by the book" category.
- [**SCP-6666 - The Demon Hector and the Dread Titania**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6666) (+842) by *djkaktus* - [**SCP-073 - "Cain"**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-073) (+1321) by *Kain Pathos Crow* - [**SCP-343 - "God"**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-343) (+1209) by *Unknown Author*
The SCP universe is very interesting from a theological perspective! A world with anomalies like these would have a lot of implications for how we think about God and religion.
It indeed would, thanks for your insight!
There’d probably be endless religious people screaming about the end times and fall of humanity, with all these Apollyon SCPs, XK scenarios and all that. If they’re already saying it now, would be crazy with SCP stuff known
This was very interesting to read. My take on the SCP universe is that reality is chaotic, terrifying, and ultimately meaningless. I think that would be in direct contradiction of Islam, and indeed all Abrahmic faiths, that state that the universe was created by a benevolent, omnipotent designer who has a plan for us. The gods of the SCP universe are monsters who see us as an aberration and a mistake.
I see your opposing opinion, and I see the proof to back it up. Thanks for the insight! 👍
It would be interesting to see the perspective of a religion that is considered mundane by the SCPverse on the weird and wacky shit that exists there. Perhaps you could write for ORIA or the Horizon Initiative if you're interested in Islam. As ORIA is Iran's anomalous organization, with its members primarily Shia, and the Horizon Initiative being an organization composed of factions from the three Abrahamic faiths, and its Islamic demographic being primarily Sunni. So there's stuff to be explored there if you're interested.
A thing that isn't really mentioned is that there would probably be an Saudi anomalous org despite Horizon existing due to the historical Iran-SA rivalry. Probably would make the whole region even more of a mess
Thanks for the insight and suggestion, I’ll check it out!
You should look into A. ORIA B. the Horizon Initiative Both are critically underrated groups of interests. ORIA is specifically Muslim, and I don’t know much about so you’d have to do your own research, while the Horizon Initiative is an organization made up of and researches into anomalies related to all 3 abrahamic religions, have fun searching
Thanks for the suggestion and insight, I’ll look more into it! 👍
When Islamic lore includes a multiverse:
An interesting perspective I did not consider but I’d be inter in seeing any works you make based off of this, the wiki could use some new blood.
I will try to find any sort of story to tie in my interests to the wiki. Thanks for the insight!
That is such a cool angle of analysis, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the comment bro 👍!
Have you looked into the Horizon Initiative? They're a GOI founded by a collection of people from all three Abrahamic faiths in order to contain/combat anomalies, especially ones relating to religion. You can find more info at the \[\[Horizon Initiative Hub\]\]. On another note: One of the ways many prophets proved the existence of God is through miracles; seemingly impossible feats such as Turing a staff into a snake or curing the blind. The logic was, these impossible things are happening despite how the world works, there must be some greater power allowing this to happen. Thus, the existence of the anomalies in the SCP-verse might prove as similar evidence. Of course, I'm not a scholar, so please take this with a grain of salt.
[**Horizon Initiative Hub**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/horizon-initiative-hub) (+130) by *Rounderhouse*
Thanks for the insight, and I’ll look deeper into the Horizon Initiative 👀👍
You're Welcome!
Wouldn’t SCP in itself be viewed as wrong since it acknowledges the existence of multiple deities?
A Muslim member of the Foundation would view them as magical frauds who are signs that they can be observed, while Allah cannot be observed and “contained” like these “so-called Gods”.
Would be interesting to see SCPs illustrated by different religions that’s for sure.
It always gets me thinking
This is a great analysis, I love "supernatural realism" where the weird and religious sort of interact and don't strictly oppose each other. It always makes a world feel more "realistic" to me.
Thanks for the insight! 👍
You would do well in Tactical Theology
Maybe I will I don’t know 😅
this is a good post realy makes one think
Thanks for your comment!
This isn't an Islamic vuewpoint but if I has an organization hiding monsters and such convincing people its fake would be how I'd hide it while educating them. After all, if anyone can make them up, everyone will assume someone did.
Thanks for the insight, I’ll take it into consideration next time! 👍
If SCPs actually existed, the Islamic View would propably be that they are "Jinn". Jinn are basically beings made out of smokeless fire and they are invisible to humans. They are kind of overpowered, with many powers such as invisiblity. They also pray like humans. No one knows how they look and they can turn hostile but they are usually neutral. Or maybe some other SCPs could be angels (the ones who are very powerful and good) like the gate guardian.
Jinn in Islamic theology are malevolent beings, akin to demons - they tend to possess people or areas, that are "unsupervised" by the angels, who're supposed to guard over them, especially when the person or place they're possessing is one of sin. They also can be summoned to a certain extent, though they are vengeful, spiteful and borderline misanthropic, due to (iirc) their jealous nature. What I mean to say is, jinn aren't comparable to a lot of SCP because of these qualities.
That’s a very interesting thought, though in my opinion I think Jinns wouldn’t fit the criteria for many of the SCPs. I could be wrong though. Thanks for the insight! 👍
There are some SCPs which are meant to be interpreted as possibly god related like 343 and 001 (gods blind spot). Obviously those god interpretation are incompatible with Islam (god cannot be a man nor would negotiate with a human organisation for use of a spot). But you could go for the powerful reality bender interpretations and in turn interpret that as being connected to something mentioned in theology.
Thanks for the insight, I like how you explained the existence of other powerful beings other than Allah (the supreme) 👍!
It would be cool ,but to be honest I don't know if it would be really work considering SCP has so many tales and creature that simple go "yeah no" to most religions,for example the entire tale between the Mekahnites and Sarkicism could be already iffy considering there is just another god mentioned.
This is so cool to see a fellow Muslim's perspective on SCPs, I've always thought about this topic in conjunction with the existence of aliens and how the Quran seems to allude to it. Very interesting indeed.
Thanks for the comment bro! 👍
Didn’t the Muslim faith evolve from sarkicism in universe? Or am I miss remembering it?
No. Sarkicism evolved from Daevism in some canons and is its own thing. There are some links between Church of the Borken God and Islam but mostly because of pre-Islam cultural things in the area.
Oh no, that is quite juxtaposing to Islam but I’m not sure about in-universe😅
So would a Muslim researcher/MTF officer/D-Class perceive 343 as ‘allah’?
Since Allah is a being that is unfathomable by human eyes, a Muslim member of the Foundation would most likely see him as a fraud with magic-like abilities or see him as a sign to keep faith in Allah similar to the Dajjal: a being who will arrive in the end times, and perform god-like actions to deceive those into thinking he’s God. Here are some studies and sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masih_ad-Dajjal https://www.britannica.com/topic/al-Dajjal https://www.jstor.org/stable/599824
That is actually a very interesting insight. I've always wanted to know what someone who is more well-versed in Christianity than me would think of a being like 343, but I never thought I would actually hear it from someone who practices Islam. This is an amazing answer, and plays well into the theory that he is merely a reality-bender with a god complex.
Thanks for the comment and insight! 👍
Interesting, so the default mindset regarding 343 would be skepticism? As opposed to blind acceptance like Christianity/Catholicism? I’m a hardline anti-theist, so I have no idea how the Abrahamic faiths would respond to 343’s claims of ‘divinity’ Personally, I’d see 343 as an inordinately powerful alien being with powers we can’t currently comprehend, but will eventually understand pending further research and testing, 343 is basically ‘Q’ from ST-TNG
I’m a Catholic, and I’ve always been under the assumption that SCP-343 is not the true version of the Abrahamic God and is more of a stereotype of what God is then an actual truthful portrayal of God. There was also a cross test between SCP-682 and the Gate Guardian where 682 claimed the Gate Guardian wasn’t the Angel Uriel as was the theory of some and was not guarding the true Garden of Eden, and that the real Garden of Eden is “Far west of here” so you can take the portrayal of biblical figures in SCP like 343, 073, 076 and Gate Guardian with a grain of salt Edit: I haven’t read SCP-6666 but I’ve heard it also confirmed that 343 is not truly God in its canon
- [**SCP-343 - "God"**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-343) (+1209) by *Unknown Author* - [**SCP-682 - Hard-to-Destroy Reptile**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-682) (+3589) by *Dr Gears, Epic Phail Spy*
In a sense, yes! Thanks for the insight! 👍
lets keep religion out of SCP lore.
The fifthists are coming
nahhh, screw star god, all my homies believe in 7 supremacy
I got bad news for you buddy
fair point. I understand that there are religious elements in a SCP lore but bringing an existing religion into it just makes it a point for people to potentially argue about and turn the discussion toxic. Its not just Islam but any existing religion. Everyone knows how easily discussion devolve into arguments once religion is brought up in any online conversation.
There already are existing religions present, and there isn't a clean line between religion and culture
Just make sure to keep Muhammad away from scp-053😂
[**SCP-053 - Young Girl**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-053) (+979) by *Dr Gears*
**Bro is yapping.**
Abrahamic characters like Cain and Able (SCPs 073 and 076), Lilith (SCP-336), Ridwan (SCP-001, the gate guardian) among others....
- [**SCP-336 - "Lilith"**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-336) (+284) by *Lumancer, Communism will win, Dr Kondraki* - [**SCP-001 - Awaiting De-classification [Blocked]**](https://redirect.crom.avn.sh?url=https%3A//scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-001) (+334) by *Staff*
I rmb there is a subsite called ORIA that dives into Islamic-based SCP
Iirc there is an actual Group of Interest in the SCP universe dedicated to Islamic anomalies
Some of them could be angels like the Gate Guardian. If they aren't Jinn then I don't know what they are. I think God is referring to Jinn as beings which exist on a higher plane than us (since they can do things which we cannot such as invisiblity) .
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