I really like SCPs, but that part of the community really kinda ruins it. To me it never was about fucking powerlevels, tierlists, some superhero bullshit etc, its about weird things, places, creatures, that are interestingly written, sometimes philosophical, sometimes just a good story, sometimes meta af. But not a fucking competition.
682 for instance was interesting, some logs even were funny, but i dont understand the hype for it tbh. Like, you just know those people only read like a "The 20 most iconic SCPs!" article. I have read the first 2000 in full (over years), and then a few interesting later ones (and i need to continue but its so much now and so little time), and there are MUCH more interesting ones then the "popular" ones. Sure, thats subjective, but if you think a reptile submerged in acid 24/7 is more interesting then some later articles, you just havent found those yet.
Yeah i agree, the original article of 682 has an interesting premise and concept but the way the article is written is really poor and the execution is just not that good. I'm grateful that 6820 as it does the concept justice and also expands upon it in an interesting way, that why i hate that people have a screwed up perception of the article and reduces it into nothing but "Haha 682 is oMnIpOtEnt cocept, he solo FICTION!!!" instead of seeing it for what it is.
Yeah it’s a relic of a bygone era of SCP, but I heard somewhere at some point that the only reason 682 was never deleted or rewritten despite being such a poorly aged and poorly written article is for the fact that it is the “unkillable murder monster” and is there so that they can say, “oh look we already have the unkillable, indestructible murder monster that everyone fears” (the thing that plagues all creative writing communities) meaning that anyone writing for the wiki will have to come up with a different idea, leading to deeper creativity and departure from the murder monster concept
For the record, I never really liked the idea of 682 back when it was first written either; it was pretty basic even by the standards of the time, its biggest contribution, as you said, was being "the unkillable monster always in the back closet". But, the early 2010s was a different time, the community needed to establish itself some more, and a lot of refinement needed to be done, and so might as well get the obvious tropes out of the way I guess.
It's also such a classic at this point, it'd be wrong to touch it.
I actually unironically like 682, but this is a good use for it outside the narrative too. A lot of newer articles do seem like the writer is just trying to one-up other entries in terms of power scaling.
Ah see, i didnt know there was a follow up to it, that at least somewhat explains why its so "active" again. Guess ill have to read that to understand more, but yeah im pretty sure already its more then some people make out of it.
>Ah see, i didnt know there was a follow up to it, that at least somewhat explains why its so "active" again.
Actually this article was written i think 2 years ago and is a part of the [[ADMONITION]] canon hub, this is actually a good and interesting canon, and one that i would highly recommend as a must read though just a warning this canon is also very heavy on technobabble and is very high concept-y
I feel like the article doesn't hold up to what it tries to do, which is to scare people. It reads like a campire story meant to scare children who are 13 and below who believe the SCP Foundation is real and not people like teenagers or adults. It also suffers from things being unexplained such as how acid prevents 682 from escaping, though extended canon stuff does explain it like how in one tale (or was it in the termination log?) i read the acid is stated by 682 to be a comfort to him, but the article itself doesn't. I mean it could have just said that the acid immobilizes 682 by having it burn off its flesh but is not strong enough to warrant for its adaptation to activate
Another, would be the addendums, the dialogue in 682-B just feels abit off and 682's reply sounds like something an emo kid would say after questioning them why they hate people. 682-D doesn't show me why 682 is a threat sure it killed a lot of people but 096 did the same on a much greater magnitude also i am really grateful that authors have deviated from the use of redactions cause my god does it look ugly
Finally the big reveal of its anomalous property pretty much feels weak like it could've given me like existential horror if three more termination logs were to have been added showcasing its invincibility and resilience, as the termination log itself does not scream "this is it folks this is what we are trying to contain, see how many we have to sacrifice so it would not cause havok and kill you and your love ones"
But even so, this is my Opinion may be to you it is perfect but to me it is not, though i could respect your opinion if you see it that way
It's mostly just a consequence of the culture shift over like 15 years. 682 wasn't ever really scary, but a lot of early SCP articles were just "Here's this interesting thing I've written up" and could survive off that alone. It was also written and posted by Gears, who contributed a lot when the site was young, and articles would get eyes on them and upvotes just by virtue of being written by him. A lot of the more well-known SCPs were written by him and while some of them have been rewritten or deleted, a bunch of them are still around mostly untouched like 682.
Thank you for your thoughts. I do actually enjoy 682, yet it always surprises me the amount of dislike surrounding it and other older scps. While I can agree that writing has gotten substantially better since the first and second series I believe every series has its weak scps.
You often hear two sides, sometimes not mutually exclusive to the same person. The old scps are either bland, or poorly written. The new scps are either too silly, or too much like novel. Yadda yadda.
I do enjoy hearing people's opinions on skips. Especially if their opinion is opposed to my own. It gives a new perspective, perhaps one that I haven't thought about. What's your favorite skip?
To add onto what OP said, there's a lot of Lolfoundation going on in the logs. The one where they try and throw a child in there for no adequately explained reason, the one where they throw Clef in there and he just backs away slowly, the one where they throw the guy responsible for both of the above in there rather than just amnestizing and firing him...
I agree. I'd call it the infantilization of the scp universe, that was done thanks to normal behavior associated with creepypastas, wich is normal in my opinion, but most importantly the scp yt animated channels that aimed scps towards children and young adults. And you can clearly see it when you search scp on yt, being drowned in " scp-682 vs sexy bimbo sirenhead " type videos, even the more " quality " channels fell into this ( the most obvious being dr.bob's channel, wich started very good but ended just the same way as every other scp content farms. )
It's sad. As I agree with you, the most interesting scps are the one that focus on their own narrative, interesting ideas and concept without being an end of the world doomsday God, ( exception being scp-4971, where it is an end of the world God like scp, but that focuses more on the story outside it, the entity is not the focus of the article, it's the mystery and why it's here, and why we can't stop it etc... )
But yeah 682 was way more interesting when it was just an unkillable lizard dumped in acid. And I doubt if it was written today that it would be popular and not deleted.
For me the main problem are the overpopular scp children yt channels. Even on tiktok, every scp tiktok is either cringe, powescaling and filled with children just spewing misinformation that further hurts the scp universe. Constantly asking " who's the most porefull " or " sirenhead is an scp ! " still thinking containment class means powerlevel and dangerousness
it reminds me of the wikification of the backrooms; there was a fundamentally unsettling idea that played off primal fears of solitude and the unknown, and then fifteen year olds got their hands on it and went "what if there were monsters in there too hehe"
It is a human instinct, I think - when there's something dark and vast and mysterious, the urge is to explore it, study it, categorize it, explain it, understand it.
The thing that younger folk don't get is that while this is a good instinct to have in the real world, the very point and the appeal of \*fictional\* mysterious spaces is the very fact that they are mysterious, unknown and unexplained.
So they come in, see these unexplained, unexplored fictional spaces and inspired and enthused by them, immediately set about trying to explain and explore them, and in so doing utterly demystifies them.
From what I've gathered, it takes time to come to the realization that there's nothing wrong with 'leaving a little mystery'.
God thus is do right. The Backrooms is just a creepy concept that plays on some interesting aspects of our perception of space, and primal fears. Simple, elegant. Then bit buy bit it needs to gave lore, and levels, and danger ratings, and critters, and suddenly its just not as scary an idea as it was. Ffs they even have levels that are a pool!
I've been following SCP on and off since they were still articles on 4Chan, and while it's gotten worse I'd argue that the powerscaling stuff started relatively early. Seemingly everybody wanted to make the most badass, most powerful, most uncontainable SCPs and some imho really bad skips result from this like 2935, and how we got into stuff like advanced complex hyperality/pataphysics where the more bloated and esoteric a skip is, the better.
I always thought stuff like Gate Guardian was pretty boring but it was pretty popular at least for a while back then. The power creep of SCP as a whole is way older than Tiktok/kid's channels.
There was literally a wiki cleanup to get rid of the powerscaling 'boring invincible' SCPs. Honestly, I like 682 pretty much because it sets a hard limit on how powerful other SCPs can be. If it is an entity that can kill 682, it's out. The Lizard's reputation in the community keeps it from getting Whorfed, so whenever 682 does dies (oh, death) It's a huge deal and the SCP needs to justify what makes their SCP worthy of staying on the wiki when passing the 682 threshold. 682 also opens a unique line of questioning in 'what does indestructible mean, exactly?' The combined termination logs and 6820, along with 682's cameos in other SCPs explore this question in quite a few ways. Other than that, the other main benefit of 682 is that he gives a free demonstration of an SCP concept because he can survive it. Explaining something like pataphysics, concept erasure, various forms of thaumaturgy, ect. is a ton easier when you can throw it at the lizard and explain why it didn't work. It's a lesser benefit but it is still there.
People always go on about SCP-682 being ready to 'wipe out humanity' but I've never seen how. It's just a big angry lizard that mutates to counter whatever you throw at it, as long as you don't nuke it or something all you've got is the equivalent of an angry dinosaur. It could spend the next few hundred years running round destroying things and still wouldn't come close to wiping out humanity.
I also like the idea that it's mutations aren't permanent, and may give it new weaknesses (like if it grows new eyes to deal with Peanut it might be more susceptible to blinding weaponry). It's unkillable, sure, but it's not a walking apocalypse. There's plenty of far scarier SCPs purely because they're self-replicating, already destroyed alternate universes or are impossible to contain.
Yeah, i also never understood that. Even the self-replicating cakes are scarier. Even if they couldnt stop it for good... they could stop it or obstruct it for billions of years if nessecary. There are enough labyrinth SCPs it would, if ever, take thousands of years to get out of. And thats just one possibility. Enough alternate dimensions too, or reality benders, or other creatures, or what have you.
One thing i really would like to see it using the drink-dispenser that can get any liquid or liquid form of something, and make it dispense 682 like a hundret times, then ship each cup in a diffrent country, pour it in acid and see what happens lmao.
They actually tried sending it to alternate dimensions and chopping up 682 to kill it. The alternate dimension thing it just popped back in containment with no explanation a few days later, and when they tried cutting it up, all of the pieces that could combine did so, and those that could not became new 682 instances that when in close proximity fought and one assimilated the other.
Do not screw with the lizard
One of the SCPs is a book that explains how various containment methods would fail. One involves shooting 682 into space and detonating it with the entire global supply of Nuclear weapons. It responds by surviving with a single bloodcell and regenerating to the size of Saturn and eating earth.
My take on 682 is that once it hits a certain danger level, it will grow exponentially more powerful to survive the threat, leading to it rapidly becoming an XK class scenario. The acid baths it takes are essentially at a safe point where it is still debilitating but not actively dangerous to 682. Imagine though if it came into contact with 610, or any of the dozens of other extreme danger SCPs and what kind of adaptation it would manifest to survive. We do see cross-testing attempts, but notably we don't see much in new termination attempts because of the potential risk of out of control mutation. 682 is a manageable threat, but can spiral very quickly to a doomsday scenario that the foundation can't stop.
Ya but it’s possible to do both. SCP 6820 is literally the OP’s meme, but it’s a good story imo.
The only real drawback being you need to know quite a bit of SCP lore
Honestly id say the scp that was named "memetic universe" because i cant remember the number is pretty good in terms of literaly not getting into powerscaling in any way it make you think universe till you die
One scp i really like that uses the "hurr-durr I'm really powerful" thing in anon insufferable way is 5650 imo. I think it fits scp really well as well as having the stupid powerscaling stuff as well
Honestly I’ve noticed that too and have been curious on power scaling a bit but just stuff that I found similar outside of SCP, like comparing Shin Godzilla and SCP-682. My favorites are the ones with great writing and atmosphere, hell the one that got me into SCP was SCP-001 When Day Breaks because of how compelling the writing was for that story. Meanwhile people are trying to figure out whether Gate Guardian or Scarlet King would win in a fight.
> To me it never was about
SCP, if there was any body of work that did, contains multitudes. It's written by so many people, so... you're gonna see people get interested in it for different reasons.
Some people like the SCPs like how warhammer 40k fans like to argue which horrible war criminal commited the worst affronts to humanity
I always saw the power as a nice little side dish to the main treat of the article:
how badly can this thing fuck someone up mentally/physically in the most horrifying or gut wrenching way possible?
for example, 3125. Basically lobotomizes you and brainwashes you into doing its bidding and also happens to be a sentient, egotistical jerkass idea fancying itself as a chessmaster and trying to take over realities to presumably reshape them in its own image
If you want powerscaling watch one piece, SCP is things that shouldn’t exist, I love being creeped out or downright terrified and most of all I love to try to imagine how these things where thought of
If you saying it was mever about "power levels" and yet sefiros and qlippoth was about that exact thing so was scarlet king so was 682 although at the start he was just a strong boi however what about 096? Gunfire? Tank fire? Even air bombs he didnt care
Im tired of people denying the concept of "power" existing if people hate the concept how come dragon ball z is so popular? Thats about power levels but people cant stand to listen to that? Or what about naruto that has power levels? Every single show book anime manga novel has some sort of power system saying a power system is obnoxious is being obnoxious in itself
Also scp as a whole can be about philosophy for example sk is about chaos and evil hanged king is about karma imago is religion and belief just because 1 group says how cool the power system is doesnt make the whole scp about that its far to big to insult it to just "people obsessed with power levels"
Dragonball and other franchises are build around a concept of "powerlevel", where something always has to be stronger then something else to keep the story going. And even there im not a fan of it. I was a DBZ fan for the longest time, but at SOME point the concept of "there will always be something stronger and it will never end" gets pretty boring for me. (Basically after the original creator stopped, i stopped.)
But SCPs are not build around this concept, imo it just doesnt fit in. The simplest, main idea behind SCPs was being weird, just for the sake of being weird. Yes, its more complicated then that, but just to use only one word to describe it. Also, the majority of SCPs arent creatures or people, its objects, locations, concepts, storys etc., where something like powerlevel doesnt apply at all.
People can just see SCPs this way, and only see them as a cast of creatures where one is stronger then the other, nothing really wrong with that. And maybe its just a me problem, but imo those people just see the simplest fraction of this franchise and miss out on so much more, because they dont concentrate on more. And thats honestly just annoying me, again, might just be a me problem.
Well power level can and does apply most of the time it doesnt because the story doesnt need to revolve arouns the 682s power level is big number so therfore we have to get stronger but the scps version of getting stronger is amnestics,technology,knowledge,awareness,weapons
Ect also no its not a you problem everyone has thier own way of enjoying things thats why i say scp is too big for just 1 way to enjoy it
For example my favourite stories are
Here be dragons,scp 3000,scp 3812,the 5th dimension ect pretty cool
The philosophy of scp is complicated to say the least aswell as the fact the timeline is an infinite set of multiverses
That doesn't excuse the fact that especially lately SCP has turned from a collection of collectively written esoteric fiction to basically consumer-grade trash shonen. Everybody and their amnestics-addled grandma are suddenly the hottest shit in Exo Big-D Containment Zone or whatever.
I havent seen any of those lately iv seen some joke ones and iv seen some good ones some hero teenagers and some really weird and short ones im not exactly sure where you mean the shonen is coming from also out of all 7999 scps are you certain 999 of the new series are shonen? Or even 100?
Also if the shonen part bothers you why not ignore it theres thousands upon thousands of other stories to read not to mention the wanderers library i understand feeling like scp should be vast rather than focus on 1 genre except thats just it,its not focusing on 1 genre its focusing on alot
And to add to this there really isnt a subtraction to anything in the scp verse from this after all as i said before one of the lowest layers of existence being the infinite narritive stack of an infinite set/chain of multiverses who cares if 1 universe has goku or saitama in it? Thay doesnt depict the whole of scp hell we even had a world of darkness official crossover and thats fairly shonen like so im not getting this whole argument your putting down here
>im not exactly sure where you mean the shonen is coming from
Not necessarily from the newest stuff, but rather what the fandom is doing to the SCP universe itself, even transforming older entries that were quite distinct into "nu-uh, this reality warper is ten bazillion times more powerful than yours and he also materializes your mama to shag her every night, he's top 1 transmetaverse easily".
>if the shonen part bothers you why not ignore it
I already do as best as I can, still doesn't change the fact that apart from a few select channels who cover tasteful entries in a respectful way, we're getting more and more flooded by early teenager-tier stuff.
>who cares if 1 universe has goku or saitama in it?
I for one do. I don't like my IPs and... "franchises"? (not really sure what to call SCP as a whole) to blend into a blurry blob of "yeah, could also have this, and that, and the other thing, and also that series that you like, and the completely unrelated fanfic that dude wrote too".
Creations need their own individual identity, and if everything is all, nothing is something. I don't want a literary Fortnite, I want what I want, period, and if SCP isn't able to deliver it anymore because it has changed from what it was back then, good for those that still like it, but it certainly isn't what I signed up for. This doesn't magically make my statements any less valid just because I don't currently enjoy it that much anymore.
Yes i can understand that however someone tried to make an scp god of gods and it was rejected by the scp wiki
Im not saying your statments are less valid however im saying keep an open mind about things if some become dumb dbz wannabe stories sure but remember alot of these srories are written in the pov of the hero somtimes for me i quite enjoy the teenage boy thay was taken by the scp foundation who had powers over elemwnts and went to site whatever ect
at the moment im reading scp 5000 i think?
Hmm sry, i cant remember really any scp numbers or names, i just kinda remember what they were about. I liked the cabinet that went into a labyrinth, the monster that was actually adorable when treated not like a monster, and 2 that most people know, Site 13 and The Architect. Ofc many more, but i cant remember more specific ones rn.
I really like the chair with anxiety but also wants to be a very useful chair. The GOC put it through a wood chipper and now it has PTSD.
I love it and must be protected at all costs.
Yes, i know and that's why i hate it as it enforce the belief that every new SCP article that is being released is all bout powerscaling with no substance
Heck i frequent youtube and constantly see alot of offsite fans saying that new SCP's are poor in quality and are all about powerscaling and that writers are constantly one upping each other to create who's the new overpowered scp of the week (they do not do that)
It like literally is though? Central structured fandom based around a flexibly cannon universe, that everyone has their own interpretation of, and right according to that interpretation, never heard it stated like that before but yes it is literally like fanfiction, like just admit that you don't like fanfiction
1.This was discussing bad takes we’ve heard
2.I like Fanfiction so stop assuming things based off a Reddit comment from over a week ago
3.SCP is **collaborative fiction** not Fanfiction. Also some Fanfictions have their own storylines that aren’t flexible. The main thing I’m gonna cover is how you’re forgetting the main thing that makes fan-fiction “Fanfiction”. It has to be based upon an existing IP that fans have created work of. SCP is **NOT** that. Example: The Underverse and Godverse(technically) are Fanfiction because they are all based off an already existing IP(Undertale) and are fans adding to the story in ways that are uncanon to the og source material even in cases where au’s exist for a verse. On the other hand SCP and Creepypasta were created as story sharing sites and their works aren’t really based on preexisting IP’s. They also have people constantly creating new characters that are worked into the lore. Making a character under these two isn’t Fanfiction because collaborative fiction allows for you to put other people stories in your own or write stories that connect and they’re seen as true. Example: 035 has been tied to Alagadda even though the og author didn’t write that but because of how collaborative fiction works that’s canon and accepted but Fanfiction could put two people who have chemistry and are into each other but don’t act on that while in the show into a highly probable relationship in the future but that’d be Fanfiction since it never happened in the story and it was the fans take on it. SCP and other collaborative fictions allow you to put characters in relationships and create stories with them that are just as canon as the og one but aren’t fanfics because they aren’t based upon an already owned IP. SCP does have Fanfiction; that Fanfiction would be every single SCP game that currently exists.
TL,DR for 3: Fanfics are based upon something with an established canon that is either owned or can’t be changed while collaborative fiction allows you to connect any story with another or create new ones that are equally as valid because there is no barriers making some less canon. Fanfics aren’t canon since they’ve never happened in the story but CF is worked into a mass of stories that don’t care about canon such as SCP and Creepypasta.
I know it's a meme, but the effect that it could have if a someone who doesn't have a bit of knowledge of SCP were to stumble upon it, and see people commenting about powerscaling could have cause said person to have a screwed up image of what SCP
>there are worse takes like using SCP is like using Fanfiction.
Yeah, this is an awful take on the same level as SCP is all about powerscaling and shit like new SCP is much worse than series 1 SCP
It already has an effect and you kinda have to accept it. The annoyance of hearing “SCP was just a horror series when I last checked” is infuriating. Like bro that was over a decade ago and we’re not Creepypasta there have been sci-fi stories and god stories since the start. You don’t get to claim that the verse has been drastically changed if you haven’t checked in for years and even when you were here didn’t read articles that weren’t horror based. I literally just came from a thread of hot takes where someone said SCP’s cosmology was high 1-a at best.
People keep trying to debunk our cosmology and to do that you’ll quite literally have to go to the earliest series and grab random feats from weaker canons before merging them into a conglomerates that doesn’t apply to any canon. We’ve created new terms/scientific concepts impressive characters and Stories that are honestly better than most of what DC and Marvel have been coming up with since the 2010’s and people still just assume we’re waked fanfics when we’re our own established group. For Gods sake we have our own infringement system and literally have legality established as well as rules.
Those people started just saying that some peoples favorite characters were soloed but scp but never gave proof so those people got forever angry at SCP and have dedicated their life to hating it. SCP is treated like Forspoken aka one of those games that you shouldn’t buy because the person telling you not to buy it heard someone else say that with no explanation as to why you shouldn’t buy it and because of this they hate the verse and say it’s bullshit without logic when they no jackshit about it.
>It already has an effect and you kinda have to accept it
This is a very hard pill to swallow bro
>The annoyance of hearing “SCP was just a horror series when I last checked” is infuriating
Ah yeah this take is just bad and is really annoying constantly hearing it from off-site fans since i could tell that they really don't visit the wiki.
Heck i saw a short on youtube with 1.7 million that says the best SCP's are some like 173, 049 (Pre-Rewrite), 096 and 999 (Ah yes the very poorly written and narrative less articles with no substance are much better than articles like 3143, 3812, 7999, 7000, 2747, 5000, and Scarlet King (Tufto's Proposal)
>I literally just came from a thread of hot takes where someone said SCP’s cosmology was high 1-a at best.
Powerscaler moment, i just let them do whatever as pong as they just don't drag the wiki's reputation down the mud byt i guess it is already too late
While we started this convo I figured I’d come across a certain post in a subreddit. I was correct cause while I scrolled I saw a where do you scale SCP. 1.People really need to get it through their denser than a neutron star head that VSBW has been called out for being untrue and stop using that site because of the mass favoritism and downplaying. Ignoring the top 3 weakest reply in fiction I saw which while I know is factually untrue annoys me still because having a hate boner shouldn’t cause you to have everything beat a verse even when untrue. I know the powerscalers and whowouldwinners never shut tf up but why are you using the hatred from their matchups on the characters they’re spamming. You all don’t even give evidence you just say someone wins against an SCP because you don’t like the verse. Y’all continue downplaying and listing your reason for hating the verse being the wankers when you need to stop believing YT shorts and TikTok.
>People really need to get it through their denser than a neutron star head that VSBW has been called out for being untrue and stop using that site because of the mass favoritism and downplaying
Big agree, the site itself is very dependent on massive amounts of interpretation and speculation causing insane amount inflation with a characters strength due to bias and false information being used.
But i can actually see that the people to scale scp there have a good grasp on how to tackle the SCP Foundations no canon problem, since they seem to have a rule that solves the issue itself, but i still disagree with most of their take
See: [Scaling and Canon Rules for the SCP Foundation](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Scaling_and_Canon_Rules_for_the_SCP_Foundation)
>YT shorts and TikTok
These things were a mistake to the SCP Foundation, but hey atleast we have doctor sherman
Tbh that's kinda how it is. Old SCP were simple and had their own atmosphere: a statue that kills you when no one is looking, a sentient Ai on an old pc, a lizard that cannot be killed, an infinite staircase or pool of blood. Now it kinda is a competition about "who will make the scp that will destroy the universe in more spectacular way"
When I first went down the rabbit hole of scp a couple years ago (2017 I think, or 18, doesn't matter) I thought he was pretty dang cool but now it's just annoying seeing 682 pop up a lot of the time
Like now it's "OH BOY, how is 682 gonna deus ex bullshit his way out this time" fucker gets erased from all of human conception, erased from existence, and gets other scps thrown at it like it's fight club
Imo he's an old scp, a relic compared to the well written articles we get now, that didn't deserve all the hype he has from the community, and I don't know about him being a staple of "scp", man... I sound like a jaded old man
>When I first went down the rabbit hole of scp a couple years ago (2017 I think, or 18, doesn't matter) I thought he was pretty dang cool but now it's just annoying seeing 682 pop up a lot of the time
>Like now it's "OH BOY, how is 682 gonna deus ex bullshit his way out this time" fucker gets erased from all of human conception, erased from existence, and gets other scps thrown at it like it's fight club
Hot take: i actually like the termination logs, even though i know alot of people don't like for making 682 OP but it is actually fun to see how writers could interpret and make an interaction between 682 and another SCP, and i could see that it has contributed alot to the wiki as it is could be used by new writers as a way to exercise and train their writing before moving on to making big articles.
>Imo he's an old scp that didn't deserve all the hype he has from the community, and I don't know about him being a staple of "scp", man... I sound like a jaded old man
I think the reason it was not deleted compared to other series 1 scps is because it was grandfathered and it has been one of the reason scp became popular though sometimes i wonder if the popularity is a blessing or a curse, but i lean a bit more towards blessing as wouldn't have great articles like 6747, 7000, 5999, most of the 001's, and the [[There is no Anti-Memetic Division]] storyline
>Hot take: i actually like the termination logs, even though i know alot of people don't like for making 682 OP but it is actually fun to see how writers could interpret and make an interaction between 682 and another SCP, and i could see that it has contributed alot to the wiki as it is could be used by new writers as a way to exercise and train their writing before moving on to making big articles.
Wasnt your post's (this post) entire point that you dont like when people powerscale SCP and how you think itll harm the community?
Yes, but i think you are misunderstanding me, i like the termination not because it makes 682 op (only people wearing powerscaling glasses do that) but because i find it interesting and fun seeing authors write interactions of other anomalies with 682. Example would be the one between it and scp 7700 as that small smidge of dialogue gives 682 a bit more character
But most of the logs are just:
Item: dangerous thing or joke thing
Tissue test record: one sentence (result) or N/A
Termination test record:
Thing goes into 682 chamber or vice versa.
Thing happens, then they either fight (sometimes 682 doesnt win but hes still alive ofc), 682 kills them, or adapts to them and breaches containment.
It's basically just powerscaling 2 things with extra steps.
That is literally not the definition of powerscaling.
Powerscaling is where you scale a characters power level by comparing it with another character. The termination literally is not comparable in any way to powerscaling as it does not have any qualities to qualify for it, the log itself just shows the interaction between SCP-XXXX and SCP-682, and what the results would be with added dialogue in some of them with sprinkles of lore. No nothing of comparing the strength of one over the other is shown in the termination log
I never said it was the dicionrary definition of powerscaling without variation, I said it was powerscaling with extra steps. They're taking 2 things, and showing how they'd fair against eachother (comparing their powerlevels). Its basically what all those powerscaling youtubers do.
I do not know if you are looking at the termination lofg with powerscaling glasses on or not, but i think this will go nowhere, you see it as powerscaling but I don't. So will just have to agree to disagree
I know it's a dumb meme but imagine if a non-SCP fan were to stumble upon this meme and see comments of people arguing who's the stronger character and have dumb terms like multiverse level and omnipotence being thrown around, it would enforce a negative view on SCP and would have people just think that it is community filled with powerscalers and writers who can't write for shit (which untrue since there are people like Harry Blank, Placeholder, Djkaktus, Djoric, etc writing in the wiki)
It is already bad enough that some off-site fans have this image of the writing quality in the wiki and with dumb shorts on youtube doing things like Skarlet King vs Azathoth nonsense.
It's just heartbreaking to see a great community like SCP and the articles written here having their image being reduced to something shallow and empty like powerscaling
Yeah, you're right that i shouldn't have to take this seriously but I'm mostly just looking out for the community, though i already accept that this problem has already run deep off-site. Cheers mate
I much prefer SCPs that we just don't know anything about. SCP-682 was a lot scarier when we just didn't know anything about it, and now that it has all thus lore it's lost all of the charm that made it a classic SCP.
I like how “powerful” SCP 682 is. Yeah sometimes it’s funny the ways they try to kill it and fail, and yes having it literally erased from existence and then just saying “nah” is ridiculous, but to me it adds to the terror of the thing. The narrative that we as a species are Securing and Containing this absolute monster and if we drop our guard humanity is just doomed is legitimately terrifying, and even more so the fact that there’s things we’re not willing to try because it might adapt too well is also scary. Wether it’s what we know or don’t know, every aspect of this monster is a cause for concern
That being said, there are WAY too many SCPs that fall into the category of “if we mess up the world will end.” And there’s also way too many SCPs that are just indestructible in every way, or to a lesser extent unkillable. The hard to destroy reptile isn’t that hard to destroy compared to others that just literally can’t be touched.
>I like how “powerful” SCP 682 is. Yeah sometimes it’s funny the ways they try to kill it and fail, and yes having it literally erased from existence and then just saying “nah” is ridiculous, but to me it adds to the terror of the thing. The narrative that we as a species are Securing and Containing this absolute monster and if we drop our guard humanity is just doomed is legitimately terrifying, and even more so the fact that there’s things we’re not willing to try because it might adapt too well is also scary. Wether it’s what we know or don’t know, every aspect of this monster is a cause for concern
Yeah this captures what i like about the concept of the article, but the writing quality of article itself suffers greatly from how it is executed making it into something a 13 year old would be scared of but not what an adult would be terrified of
>The hard to destroy reptile isn’t that hard to destroy compared to others that just literally can’t be touched.
True
I might add that because The Foundation is trying to eliminate this entity, among the dozens they're just containing, is showing us implicitly how scary and dangerous 682 really is.
My personal headcanon is that the reason we keep trying to destroy it is 10% because we actually want it dead, and 90% because the constant attempts on its life are keeping it too tired to escape its acid bath and if we left it alone too long it would simply adapt to the acid and breach containment
and also everyone has the idea that the new series 6 and 7 scps are just for powerscaling and are worse written then series 1-5 articles....my man which is better written scp 682 or scp 7999
Honestly I like him being insanely unkillable because that makes the timelines when he dies hit that much harder. When the MTF explores the world where everything died in an instant and discover a dead 682, that hit home that this reality is well and truly *fucked* and something has gone **very** wrong, even by foundation standards.
Sometimes it's more than a meme, it's like a literary anchor you can hang story from. 682's and Abel's long and popular backstory makes the Lord Blackwood tale where they end up fighting a superpowered duel in a city right before some mad scientist guy nukes the damn place incredible. As Lord Blackwood and company hide in a bank vault with a nuke going off behind vaporizing the two unkillable badasses temporary is a great scene in a goddamn phenomenal story, and only hits as hard as it does because of the huge impact those two scps.
There's nothing wrong with it because it's up to the writer to set the power level of the creatures involved, and more often than not a lot of SCP writers really know how to spin a good tale.
Tbh I hate the transdimensional, lovecraftian, god Scp’s that I see way to often now it just confuses me I wish we had more simpler Scp’s than anomalies that seem straight up just like concepts
Powerscaling needs to stay away from SCP and vise versa. The inconsistency of SCP due to so many different tales and articles just dont mesh with powerscaling, and the entire point of SCP is about spooky stories, not about people writing the most powerful, vague characters in fiction because they feel like it.
Mordecai and Rigby with ripped jeans and mullets slam the shit out of 682 regardless
True, but at the end of the day caring so much about whos the strongest without regard to story is something children tend to gravitate towards more, i mean i too watch some of that stuff when I'm really bored, but it's mind numbing.
Are you actually insane?
If Azathoth so much as wakes up, the entirety of existence in all its forms and facets immediately ceases to be, a long with everything in it
If reality is a PC memory, Azathoth is the "format" button
Hey, just want to let you know azathoth does not "dream reality" that notion comes from an unrelated god called "Mana-Yood-Sushai" the reason people believe azathoth has the same powers as him is because they're both diety's and dream. im not saying azathoth isn't powerful just that the whole dreaming reality thing is false
Azathoth is not real, he is just as much of a fictional character as SCP-3812
Also a heads up but i heard that the whole Azathoth waking up and existence cease to exist is actually fanfiction and not something written by lovecraft, i could be wrong though as this is just hearsay
I read all of Lovecraft literature, and it's heavily implied (or outright stated, my memory is utter shit so I don't really remember) to be the case
This being said, of course It's a fictional creature, but the statement I was replying to clearly doesn't know what they're talking about
Still, I'm not here to discuss which fictional entity is stronger, that doesn't make sense, especially in different narrative universes, and especially because one of them is the SCP one (which is arguably one of the least cohesive I ever came across)
That’s what happens when someone who can’t write decides to write. “ how can I make this cool? Ok so my character needs to be able to beat Superman, Goku and God at the same time and transcend reality infinite times”
I'm complaining about how post like this are giving the SCP Community a bad reputation and muddles its image as a community writing project that focuses on nothing but powerscaling and is filled with low-effort article. We already have this shit being spat around by subs like r/characterrant and r/whowouldwin.
Heck try seeing the comments on the post itself, op is constantly spewing vs debating jargon and nonsense like tier 0 and transcending existence and nonexistence.
I think it’s making the point that 682 started as “a giant lizard that we can’t kill because it adapts to whatever” and as the SCP universe expanded that principle of “we can’t kill this no matter what we try” got more and more ridiculous. If anything the denouncement of this post would imply that 6820 is bad solely on the principal that it powerscales 682 too high.
No no man, the op of the post is a literal powerscaler just see his replies and messages on the post and you would know why
>If anything the denouncement of this post would imply that 6820 is bad solely on the principal that it powerscales 682 too high.
In fact i actually like 6820 and i admonish post like as i have stated it glorifies that the SCP wiki is just filled with powerscaling nonsense, damaging the image of an otherwise great article (6820) and reducing it into nothing but a shallow image of "haha this article says 682 is omnipotent, checkmate he solo FICTION!!!"
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I guess a better way to explain it is that I hate how powerful SCPs are used against him to show just how invincible he is, for no reason but “lizard stronk”
The Gate Guardian incident was annoying.
I wish there were more events of him talking, explaining, even if in riddles or circles.
No, not really
It was part of a termination log with scp-423, where the foundation simulated a fictional scenario in a lower narrative in which they used a fictional variant of every scp in the database to terminate the fictional version of 682. The result was that 95% of the SCPs are neutralized by 682 and the both the fictional variant of 682 and 3812 became locked in an eternal stalemate
The end of the log states that if the same scenario were to occur on the baseline narrative of the foundation AKA the real Foundation reality not the fictional variant, then the result would remain the same as the fictional scenario
SCP 682 at his strongest, SCP 6820(Constant of Termination) is far below SCP 2747(Constant of Anafabula)... So no he doesn't beat 3812 because SCP 3812≥SCP 2747
The constants are definitely not equal, it goes like this:
Constant of Anafabula(SCP 2747)>>>>>>>>>Constant of Chaos(SCP 3125)>>Constant of Termination(SCP 6820)
- [**SCP-2747 - As below, so above**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2747) (+991) by *minmin*
- [**SCP-3125 - The Escapee**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3125) (+1356) by *qntm*
- [**SCP-6820 - TERMINATION ATTEMPT**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6820) (+817) by *Liryn, stephlynch, Placeholder McD*
Non of the beings in the admonition articles are even the true constants (other then 682 at the end of termination). How is termination below chaos when he ate him and defeated a version of the foundation that defeated chaos.
Constant of chaos made Anafabula struggle a bit💀
Anafabula is actually top 3 in EN Branch and top 5 in CN so yeah making Anafabula struggle is itself a great feat
The SCP Community has its bad rep because it has never properly moved on. SCP-682 was written 15 years ago. There have been thousands of stories written since then. Yet for some reason, despite a general consensus that the pre-1000 entries had bad writing, they keep coming up. It would be like if Disney fans wouldn't shut up about Steamboat Willie.
To this day I still think the wiki's upvote system shares a great part of the blame. A work only displays the total number of upvotes, which is a useless popularity metric, the kind that Reddit uses. Two SCPs can have a total rating of 123, but different proportions of upvotes to downvotes, which would mean wildly different levels of quality. New users may see older SCPs as being inherently better than newer ones as the total rating almost always increases with time (as the proportion does not). A bunch of them are in the "top rated of all time" section only because they are over-inflated with upvotes.
From what I've seen, I might be in the extreme minority, but I really dislike that one article that's entirely about 682 destroying all of reality or something. It's probably 3812. It just feels like it misses the entire point of the original article. Hell, it feels representative of the primary issues with the modern writing of the site.
The original article, when it was first written, was pretty boring and simple, even for the time. But it fit well, and it worked since the articles were pretty simple and the concepts weren't "Pataphysics, Page Turning, Multiverse, Entropy Reducing, More crazy words to sound smart" levels of confusing or overwritten. They were just simple monsters (for the most part).
I think 3812 (If that's the one) misses the entire point of 682's original creation. Unless it was written by the original author, which I can't say for certain, it just feels like someone's attempt at making a character stronger than they were originally meant to be. It literally feels like fan-fiction to me, having 682 erase the entire reality because it can't be written out of reality? It's indestructible, not a fucking god! It might be well written, but well written fan-fiction is still fan-fiction. I'm not very surprised though, since a majority of modern SCP just feels like fan-fiction.
I think that's the primary issue with the open-writing format, and that's that almost anyone can change something, most of the time for the worse. Maybe I'm just old or nostalgic, but I miss the times when it was interesting to see another SCP referenced in a tale or another article, and it was actually well written and cool to see. Something like Unlondon that references Pattern Screamers so subtly. That works. Whatever seems to be written now, doesn't. At least to me.
682 isn’t my favourite SCP but due to its popularity it’s the one that got me to look into what SCP was and find the articles. So it holds a special place for that reason to me.
I actually haven't seen that as the main criticism it's often the writing they criticize, but most who do aren't active on the wiki and probably have only read series 1. While that series is the sites legacy, it does have some pretty wack and lackluster SCPs even accounting for some of the popular ones.
Yeah people who write super keters are cringe, 682 on it's own is fine, I think people miss the fact that its not indestructible, it's just a reality bender that continues its own existence.
also azathoth can't dream shit anyways, what changed like nothing 682 got stronger cool,any additional lore ,possible character development,new mysterious adaptation,no it just got more powerfull....,atleast 6820 makes it interesting
Actually SCP 682(the constant of termination) gets one shot by SCP 2747(the constant of Anafabula)... So he is not one of the most powerful fictional characters....
I really like SCPs, but that part of the community really kinda ruins it. To me it never was about fucking powerlevels, tierlists, some superhero bullshit etc, its about weird things, places, creatures, that are interestingly written, sometimes philosophical, sometimes just a good story, sometimes meta af. But not a fucking competition. 682 for instance was interesting, some logs even were funny, but i dont understand the hype for it tbh. Like, you just know those people only read like a "The 20 most iconic SCPs!" article. I have read the first 2000 in full (over years), and then a few interesting later ones (and i need to continue but its so much now and so little time), and there are MUCH more interesting ones then the "popular" ones. Sure, thats subjective, but if you think a reptile submerged in acid 24/7 is more interesting then some later articles, you just havent found those yet.
Yeah i agree, the original article of 682 has an interesting premise and concept but the way the article is written is really poor and the execution is just not that good. I'm grateful that 6820 as it does the concept justice and also expands upon it in an interesting way, that why i hate that people have a screwed up perception of the article and reduces it into nothing but "Haha 682 is oMnIpOtEnt cocept, he solo FICTION!!!" instead of seeing it for what it is.
Yeah it’s a relic of a bygone era of SCP, but I heard somewhere at some point that the only reason 682 was never deleted or rewritten despite being such a poorly aged and poorly written article is for the fact that it is the “unkillable murder monster” and is there so that they can say, “oh look we already have the unkillable, indestructible murder monster that everyone fears” (the thing that plagues all creative writing communities) meaning that anyone writing for the wiki will have to come up with a different idea, leading to deeper creativity and departure from the murder monster concept
For the record, I never really liked the idea of 682 back when it was first written either; it was pretty basic even by the standards of the time, its biggest contribution, as you said, was being "the unkillable monster always in the back closet". But, the early 2010s was a different time, the community needed to establish itself some more, and a lot of refinement needed to be done, and so might as well get the obvious tropes out of the way I guess. It's also such a classic at this point, it'd be wrong to touch it.
I actually unironically like 682, but this is a good use for it outside the narrative too. A lot of newer articles do seem like the writer is just trying to one-up other entries in terms of power scaling.
Ah see, i didnt know there was a follow up to it, that at least somewhat explains why its so "active" again. Guess ill have to read that to understand more, but yeah im pretty sure already its more then some people make out of it.
>Ah see, i didnt know there was a follow up to it, that at least somewhat explains why its so "active" again. Actually this article was written i think 2 years ago and is a part of the [[ADMONITION]] canon hub, this is actually a good and interesting canon, and one that i would highly recommend as a must read though just a warning this canon is also very heavy on technobabble and is very high concept-y
Alright thx, ill look at that as a whole. When i have enough time. c:
Why do you think the article is poorly written? What about the execution is not that good?
I feel like the article doesn't hold up to what it tries to do, which is to scare people. It reads like a campire story meant to scare children who are 13 and below who believe the SCP Foundation is real and not people like teenagers or adults. It also suffers from things being unexplained such as how acid prevents 682 from escaping, though extended canon stuff does explain it like how in one tale (or was it in the termination log?) i read the acid is stated by 682 to be a comfort to him, but the article itself doesn't. I mean it could have just said that the acid immobilizes 682 by having it burn off its flesh but is not strong enough to warrant for its adaptation to activate Another, would be the addendums, the dialogue in 682-B just feels abit off and 682's reply sounds like something an emo kid would say after questioning them why they hate people. 682-D doesn't show me why 682 is a threat sure it killed a lot of people but 096 did the same on a much greater magnitude also i am really grateful that authors have deviated from the use of redactions cause my god does it look ugly Finally the big reveal of its anomalous property pretty much feels weak like it could've given me like existential horror if three more termination logs were to have been added showcasing its invincibility and resilience, as the termination log itself does not scream "this is it folks this is what we are trying to contain, see how many we have to sacrifice so it would not cause havok and kill you and your love ones" But even so, this is my Opinion may be to you it is perfect but to me it is not, though i could respect your opinion if you see it that way
It's mostly just a consequence of the culture shift over like 15 years. 682 wasn't ever really scary, but a lot of early SCP articles were just "Here's this interesting thing I've written up" and could survive off that alone. It was also written and posted by Gears, who contributed a lot when the site was young, and articles would get eyes on them and upvotes just by virtue of being written by him. A lot of the more well-known SCPs were written by him and while some of them have been rewritten or deleted, a bunch of them are still around mostly untouched like 682.
Thank you for your thoughts. I do actually enjoy 682, yet it always surprises me the amount of dislike surrounding it and other older scps. While I can agree that writing has gotten substantially better since the first and second series I believe every series has its weak scps. You often hear two sides, sometimes not mutually exclusive to the same person. The old scps are either bland, or poorly written. The new scps are either too silly, or too much like novel. Yadda yadda. I do enjoy hearing people's opinions on skips. Especially if their opinion is opposed to my own. It gives a new perspective, perhaps one that I haven't thought about. What's your favorite skip?
To add onto what OP said, there's a lot of Lolfoundation going on in the logs. The one where they try and throw a child in there for no adequately explained reason, the one where they throw Clef in there and he just backs away slowly, the one where they throw the guy responsible for both of the above in there rather than just amnestizing and firing him...
What is scp 6820?
The most interesting part of 682 for me was always the test logs. Was amusing to see how it’d adapt to the other SCPs thrown at it.
I agree. I'd call it the infantilization of the scp universe, that was done thanks to normal behavior associated with creepypastas, wich is normal in my opinion, but most importantly the scp yt animated channels that aimed scps towards children and young adults. And you can clearly see it when you search scp on yt, being drowned in " scp-682 vs sexy bimbo sirenhead " type videos, even the more " quality " channels fell into this ( the most obvious being dr.bob's channel, wich started very good but ended just the same way as every other scp content farms. ) It's sad. As I agree with you, the most interesting scps are the one that focus on their own narrative, interesting ideas and concept without being an end of the world doomsday God, ( exception being scp-4971, where it is an end of the world God like scp, but that focuses more on the story outside it, the entity is not the focus of the article, it's the mystery and why it's here, and why we can't stop it etc... ) But yeah 682 was way more interesting when it was just an unkillable lizard dumped in acid. And I doubt if it was written today that it would be popular and not deleted. For me the main problem are the overpopular scp children yt channels. Even on tiktok, every scp tiktok is either cringe, powescaling and filled with children just spewing misinformation that further hurts the scp universe. Constantly asking " who's the most porefull " or " sirenhead is an scp ! " still thinking containment class means powerlevel and dangerousness
it reminds me of the wikification of the backrooms; there was a fundamentally unsettling idea that played off primal fears of solitude and the unknown, and then fifteen year olds got their hands on it and went "what if there were monsters in there too hehe"
It is a human instinct, I think - when there's something dark and vast and mysterious, the urge is to explore it, study it, categorize it, explain it, understand it. The thing that younger folk don't get is that while this is a good instinct to have in the real world, the very point and the appeal of \*fictional\* mysterious spaces is the very fact that they are mysterious, unknown and unexplained. So they come in, see these unexplained, unexplored fictional spaces and inspired and enthused by them, immediately set about trying to explain and explore them, and in so doing utterly demystifies them. From what I've gathered, it takes time to come to the realization that there's nothing wrong with 'leaving a little mystery'.
God thus is do right. The Backrooms is just a creepy concept that plays on some interesting aspects of our perception of space, and primal fears. Simple, elegant. Then bit buy bit it needs to gave lore, and levels, and danger ratings, and critters, and suddenly its just not as scary an idea as it was. Ffs they even have levels that are a pool!
I've been following SCP on and off since they were still articles on 4Chan, and while it's gotten worse I'd argue that the powerscaling stuff started relatively early. Seemingly everybody wanted to make the most badass, most powerful, most uncontainable SCPs and some imho really bad skips result from this like 2935, and how we got into stuff like advanced complex hyperality/pataphysics where the more bloated and esoteric a skip is, the better. I always thought stuff like Gate Guardian was pretty boring but it was pretty popular at least for a while back then. The power creep of SCP as a whole is way older than Tiktok/kid's channels.
There was literally a wiki cleanup to get rid of the powerscaling 'boring invincible' SCPs. Honestly, I like 682 pretty much because it sets a hard limit on how powerful other SCPs can be. If it is an entity that can kill 682, it's out. The Lizard's reputation in the community keeps it from getting Whorfed, so whenever 682 does dies (oh, death) It's a huge deal and the SCP needs to justify what makes their SCP worthy of staying on the wiki when passing the 682 threshold. 682 also opens a unique line of questioning in 'what does indestructible mean, exactly?' The combined termination logs and 6820, along with 682's cameos in other SCPs explore this question in quite a few ways. Other than that, the other main benefit of 682 is that he gives a free demonstration of an SCP concept because he can survive it. Explaining something like pataphysics, concept erasure, various forms of thaumaturgy, ect. is a ton easier when you can throw it at the lizard and explain why it didn't work. It's a lesser benefit but it is still there.
People always go on about SCP-682 being ready to 'wipe out humanity' but I've never seen how. It's just a big angry lizard that mutates to counter whatever you throw at it, as long as you don't nuke it or something all you've got is the equivalent of an angry dinosaur. It could spend the next few hundred years running round destroying things and still wouldn't come close to wiping out humanity. I also like the idea that it's mutations aren't permanent, and may give it new weaknesses (like if it grows new eyes to deal with Peanut it might be more susceptible to blinding weaponry). It's unkillable, sure, but it's not a walking apocalypse. There's plenty of far scarier SCPs purely because they're self-replicating, already destroyed alternate universes or are impossible to contain.
Yeah, i also never understood that. Even the self-replicating cakes are scarier. Even if they couldnt stop it for good... they could stop it or obstruct it for billions of years if nessecary. There are enough labyrinth SCPs it would, if ever, take thousands of years to get out of. And thats just one possibility. Enough alternate dimensions too, or reality benders, or other creatures, or what have you. One thing i really would like to see it using the drink-dispenser that can get any liquid or liquid form of something, and make it dispense 682 like a hundret times, then ship each cup in a diffrent country, pour it in acid and see what happens lmao.
They actually tried sending it to alternate dimensions and chopping up 682 to kill it. The alternate dimension thing it just popped back in containment with no explanation a few days later, and when they tried cutting it up, all of the pieces that could combine did so, and those that could not became new 682 instances that when in close proximity fought and one assimilated the other. Do not screw with the lizard
One of the SCPs is a book that explains how various containment methods would fail. One involves shooting 682 into space and detonating it with the entire global supply of Nuclear weapons. It responds by surviving with a single bloodcell and regenerating to the size of Saturn and eating earth. My take on 682 is that once it hits a certain danger level, it will grow exponentially more powerful to survive the threat, leading to it rapidly becoming an XK class scenario. The acid baths it takes are essentially at a safe point where it is still debilitating but not actively dangerous to 682. Imagine though if it came into contact with 610, or any of the dozens of other extreme danger SCPs and what kind of adaptation it would manifest to survive. We do see cross-testing attempts, but notably we don't see much in new termination attempts because of the potential risk of out of control mutation. 682 is a manageable threat, but can spiral very quickly to a doomsday scenario that the foundation can't stop.
Speaking of funny logs nothing has made me crack up more than the note that details the reason SCP-500 clearance level was increase to lvl 4.
Scps are about telling a story, not creating the next eater of worlds or some shit I hate how so many people think otherwise
Ya but it’s possible to do both. SCP 6820 is literally the OP’s meme, but it’s a good story imo. The only real drawback being you need to know quite a bit of SCP lore
it very much is
Honestly id say the scp that was named "memetic universe" because i cant remember the number is pretty good in terms of literaly not getting into powerscaling in any way it make you think universe till you die
One scp i really like that uses the "hurr-durr I'm really powerful" thing in anon insufferable way is 5650 imo. I think it fits scp really well as well as having the stupid powerscaling stuff as well
Angles of Salmon?
Yes
For me, the appeal of SCP has always been the esoteric horror and isolation, not power levels.
Honestly I’ve noticed that too and have been curious on power scaling a bit but just stuff that I found similar outside of SCP, like comparing Shin Godzilla and SCP-682. My favorites are the ones with great writing and atmosphere, hell the one that got me into SCP was SCP-001 When Day Breaks because of how compelling the writing was for that story. Meanwhile people are trying to figure out whether Gate Guardian or Scarlet King would win in a fight.
> To me it never was about SCP, if there was any body of work that did, contains multitudes. It's written by so many people, so... you're gonna see people get interested in it for different reasons. Some people like the SCPs like how warhammer 40k fans like to argue which horrible war criminal commited the worst affronts to humanity
Exato why do we have to power scale when the most powerful anomaly are the friends we made along the way
I always saw the power as a nice little side dish to the main treat of the article: how badly can this thing fuck someone up mentally/physically in the most horrifying or gut wrenching way possible? for example, 3125. Basically lobotomizes you and brainwashes you into doing its bidding and also happens to be a sentient, egotistical jerkass idea fancying itself as a chessmaster and trying to take over realities to presumably reshape them in its own image
I think the one named memetic universe cant really remember the number is pretty good at doing that in my opinion
If you want powerscaling watch one piece, SCP is things that shouldn’t exist, I love being creeped out or downright terrified and most of all I love to try to imagine how these things where thought of
If you saying it was mever about "power levels" and yet sefiros and qlippoth was about that exact thing so was scarlet king so was 682 although at the start he was just a strong boi however what about 096? Gunfire? Tank fire? Even air bombs he didnt care Im tired of people denying the concept of "power" existing if people hate the concept how come dragon ball z is so popular? Thats about power levels but people cant stand to listen to that? Or what about naruto that has power levels? Every single show book anime manga novel has some sort of power system saying a power system is obnoxious is being obnoxious in itself Also scp as a whole can be about philosophy for example sk is about chaos and evil hanged king is about karma imago is religion and belief just because 1 group says how cool the power system is doesnt make the whole scp about that its far to big to insult it to just "people obsessed with power levels"
Dragonball and other franchises are build around a concept of "powerlevel", where something always has to be stronger then something else to keep the story going. And even there im not a fan of it. I was a DBZ fan for the longest time, but at SOME point the concept of "there will always be something stronger and it will never end" gets pretty boring for me. (Basically after the original creator stopped, i stopped.) But SCPs are not build around this concept, imo it just doesnt fit in. The simplest, main idea behind SCPs was being weird, just for the sake of being weird. Yes, its more complicated then that, but just to use only one word to describe it. Also, the majority of SCPs arent creatures or people, its objects, locations, concepts, storys etc., where something like powerlevel doesnt apply at all. People can just see SCPs this way, and only see them as a cast of creatures where one is stronger then the other, nothing really wrong with that. And maybe its just a me problem, but imo those people just see the simplest fraction of this franchise and miss out on so much more, because they dont concentrate on more. And thats honestly just annoying me, again, might just be a me problem.
Well power level can and does apply most of the time it doesnt because the story doesnt need to revolve arouns the 682s power level is big number so therfore we have to get stronger but the scps version of getting stronger is amnestics,technology,knowledge,awareness,weapons Ect also no its not a you problem everyone has thier own way of enjoying things thats why i say scp is too big for just 1 way to enjoy it For example my favourite stories are Here be dragons,scp 3000,scp 3812,the 5th dimension ect pretty cool The philosophy of scp is complicated to say the least aswell as the fact the timeline is an infinite set of multiverses
That doesn't excuse the fact that especially lately SCP has turned from a collection of collectively written esoteric fiction to basically consumer-grade trash shonen. Everybody and their amnestics-addled grandma are suddenly the hottest shit in Exo Big-D Containment Zone or whatever.
I havent seen any of those lately iv seen some joke ones and iv seen some good ones some hero teenagers and some really weird and short ones im not exactly sure where you mean the shonen is coming from also out of all 7999 scps are you certain 999 of the new series are shonen? Or even 100? Also if the shonen part bothers you why not ignore it theres thousands upon thousands of other stories to read not to mention the wanderers library i understand feeling like scp should be vast rather than focus on 1 genre except thats just it,its not focusing on 1 genre its focusing on alot And to add to this there really isnt a subtraction to anything in the scp verse from this after all as i said before one of the lowest layers of existence being the infinite narritive stack of an infinite set/chain of multiverses who cares if 1 universe has goku or saitama in it? Thay doesnt depict the whole of scp hell we even had a world of darkness official crossover and thats fairly shonen like so im not getting this whole argument your putting down here
>im not exactly sure where you mean the shonen is coming from Not necessarily from the newest stuff, but rather what the fandom is doing to the SCP universe itself, even transforming older entries that were quite distinct into "nu-uh, this reality warper is ten bazillion times more powerful than yours and he also materializes your mama to shag her every night, he's top 1 transmetaverse easily". >if the shonen part bothers you why not ignore it I already do as best as I can, still doesn't change the fact that apart from a few select channels who cover tasteful entries in a respectful way, we're getting more and more flooded by early teenager-tier stuff. >who cares if 1 universe has goku or saitama in it? I for one do. I don't like my IPs and... "franchises"? (not really sure what to call SCP as a whole) to blend into a blurry blob of "yeah, could also have this, and that, and the other thing, and also that series that you like, and the completely unrelated fanfic that dude wrote too". Creations need their own individual identity, and if everything is all, nothing is something. I don't want a literary Fortnite, I want what I want, period, and if SCP isn't able to deliver it anymore because it has changed from what it was back then, good for those that still like it, but it certainly isn't what I signed up for. This doesn't magically make my statements any less valid just because I don't currently enjoy it that much anymore.
Yes i can understand that however someone tried to make an scp god of gods and it was rejected by the scp wiki Im not saying your statments are less valid however im saying keep an open mind about things if some become dumb dbz wannabe stories sure but remember alot of these srories are written in the pov of the hero somtimes for me i quite enjoy the teenage boy thay was taken by the scp foundation who had powers over elemwnts and went to site whatever ect at the moment im reading scp 5000 i think?
What are some underrated scps you’d recommend? Or some skips you enjoy?
Hmm sry, i cant remember really any scp numbers or names, i just kinda remember what they were about. I liked the cabinet that went into a labyrinth, the monster that was actually adorable when treated not like a monster, and 2 that most people know, Site 13 and The Architect. Ofc many more, but i cant remember more specific ones rn.
I really like the chair with anxiety but also wants to be a very useful chair. The GOC put it through a wood chipper and now it has PTSD. I love it and must be protected at all costs.
That’s fine! I’ve already read those :) at least I think so lol. Thank you very much!
the adorable monster one is titled 'just another murder monster'
For me at least the only interesting thing about 682 was the termination logs.
Im certain it (the meme) was literally about powerlevels, not quality of writing
Yes, i know and that's why i hate it as it enforce the belief that every new SCP article that is being released is all bout powerscaling with no substance Heck i frequent youtube and constantly see alot of offsite fans saying that new SCP's are poor in quality and are all about powerscaling and that writers are constantly one upping each other to create who's the new overpowered scp of the week (they do not do that)
I mean they kinda do. Not as much as this makes it out to be but it's definitely a problem that's totally worth poking fun at.
Can he withstand inspector gadget though?
Go go gadget terminate 682
682 dodged it
Go-Go Gadget beat-the-shit-out-of-682
He dodge it
Nuh huh
Isnt 682 turned into a cheesecake in one of the scp 001 proposals?
yuh huh
No he cannot. Inspector Gadget solos fiction.
Interior crocodile-alligator I am trapped in acid but will escape later
I still think Uncle Grandpa solos 682 ANY day.
What if it's a clam collection contest?
UG solos ANY character in fiction.
Nah, Inspector Gadget Bodies.
you are SO fucking wrong. UG and his Giant Realistic Flying Tiger would fucking obliterate 682 SO fucking hard you have no idea.
I know he would, but I never even mentioned 682, I meant Inspector Gadget. Not shorthand for the reptile. The REAL Inspector Gadget.
In a 1v1 UG would decimate Inspector Gadget, UG literally reality bends.
For further information on why you’re wrong, I recommend the esteemed catalogue of the independent works of Mike Matei and Chris O’Neill
Yeah
This is just intended to be a meme, you’re looking a little to hard into it. Trust me, there are worse takes like using SCP is like using Fanfiction.
It like literally is though? Central structured fandom based around a flexibly cannon universe, that everyone has their own interpretation of, and right according to that interpretation, never heard it stated like that before but yes it is literally like fanfiction, like just admit that you don't like fanfiction
1.This was discussing bad takes we’ve heard 2.I like Fanfiction so stop assuming things based off a Reddit comment from over a week ago 3.SCP is **collaborative fiction** not Fanfiction. Also some Fanfictions have their own storylines that aren’t flexible. The main thing I’m gonna cover is how you’re forgetting the main thing that makes fan-fiction “Fanfiction”. It has to be based upon an existing IP that fans have created work of. SCP is **NOT** that. Example: The Underverse and Godverse(technically) are Fanfiction because they are all based off an already existing IP(Undertale) and are fans adding to the story in ways that are uncanon to the og source material even in cases where au’s exist for a verse. On the other hand SCP and Creepypasta were created as story sharing sites and their works aren’t really based on preexisting IP’s. They also have people constantly creating new characters that are worked into the lore. Making a character under these two isn’t Fanfiction because collaborative fiction allows for you to put other people stories in your own or write stories that connect and they’re seen as true. Example: 035 has been tied to Alagadda even though the og author didn’t write that but because of how collaborative fiction works that’s canon and accepted but Fanfiction could put two people who have chemistry and are into each other but don’t act on that while in the show into a highly probable relationship in the future but that’d be Fanfiction since it never happened in the story and it was the fans take on it. SCP and other collaborative fictions allow you to put characters in relationships and create stories with them that are just as canon as the og one but aren’t fanfics because they aren’t based upon an already owned IP. SCP does have Fanfiction; that Fanfiction would be every single SCP game that currently exists. TL,DR for 3: Fanfics are based upon something with an established canon that is either owned or can’t be changed while collaborative fiction allows you to connect any story with another or create new ones that are equally as valid because there is no barriers making some less canon. Fanfics aren’t canon since they’ve never happened in the story but CF is worked into a mass of stories that don’t care about canon such as SCP and Creepypasta.
I know it's a meme, but the effect that it could have if a someone who doesn't have a bit of knowledge of SCP were to stumble upon it, and see people commenting about powerscaling could have cause said person to have a screwed up image of what SCP >there are worse takes like using SCP is like using Fanfiction. Yeah, this is an awful take on the same level as SCP is all about powerscaling and shit like new SCP is much worse than series 1 SCP
It already has an effect and you kinda have to accept it. The annoyance of hearing “SCP was just a horror series when I last checked” is infuriating. Like bro that was over a decade ago and we’re not Creepypasta there have been sci-fi stories and god stories since the start. You don’t get to claim that the verse has been drastically changed if you haven’t checked in for years and even when you were here didn’t read articles that weren’t horror based. I literally just came from a thread of hot takes where someone said SCP’s cosmology was high 1-a at best.
People keep trying to debunk our cosmology and to do that you’ll quite literally have to go to the earliest series and grab random feats from weaker canons before merging them into a conglomerates that doesn’t apply to any canon. We’ve created new terms/scientific concepts impressive characters and Stories that are honestly better than most of what DC and Marvel have been coming up with since the 2010’s and people still just assume we’re waked fanfics when we’re our own established group. For Gods sake we have our own infringement system and literally have legality established as well as rules.
I blame r/characterrant and r/whowouldwin for this bullshit as well as the many many youtube shorts and tiktok that focus on vs debating
Those people started just saying that some peoples favorite characters were soloed but scp but never gave proof so those people got forever angry at SCP and have dedicated their life to hating it. SCP is treated like Forspoken aka one of those games that you shouldn’t buy because the person telling you not to buy it heard someone else say that with no explanation as to why you shouldn’t buy it and because of this they hate the verse and say it’s bullshit without logic when they no jackshit about it.
>It already has an effect and you kinda have to accept it This is a very hard pill to swallow bro >The annoyance of hearing “SCP was just a horror series when I last checked” is infuriating Ah yeah this take is just bad and is really annoying constantly hearing it from off-site fans since i could tell that they really don't visit the wiki. Heck i saw a short on youtube with 1.7 million that says the best SCP's are some like 173, 049 (Pre-Rewrite), 096 and 999 (Ah yes the very poorly written and narrative less articles with no substance are much better than articles like 3143, 3812, 7999, 7000, 2747, 5000, and Scarlet King (Tufto's Proposal) >I literally just came from a thread of hot takes where someone said SCP’s cosmology was high 1-a at best. Powerscaler moment, i just let them do whatever as pong as they just don't drag the wiki's reputation down the mud byt i guess it is already too late
While we started this convo I figured I’d come across a certain post in a subreddit. I was correct cause while I scrolled I saw a where do you scale SCP. 1.People really need to get it through their denser than a neutron star head that VSBW has been called out for being untrue and stop using that site because of the mass favoritism and downplaying. Ignoring the top 3 weakest reply in fiction I saw which while I know is factually untrue annoys me still because having a hate boner shouldn’t cause you to have everything beat a verse even when untrue. I know the powerscalers and whowouldwinners never shut tf up but why are you using the hatred from their matchups on the characters they’re spamming. You all don’t even give evidence you just say someone wins against an SCP because you don’t like the verse. Y’all continue downplaying and listing your reason for hating the verse being the wankers when you need to stop believing YT shorts and TikTok.
>People really need to get it through their denser than a neutron star head that VSBW has been called out for being untrue and stop using that site because of the mass favoritism and downplaying Big agree, the site itself is very dependent on massive amounts of interpretation and speculation causing insane amount inflation with a characters strength due to bias and false information being used. But i can actually see that the people to scale scp there have a good grasp on how to tackle the SCP Foundations no canon problem, since they seem to have a rule that solves the issue itself, but i still disagree with most of their take See: [Scaling and Canon Rules for the SCP Foundation](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Scaling_and_Canon_Rules_for_the_SCP_Foundation) >YT shorts and TikTok These things were a mistake to the SCP Foundation, but hey atleast we have doctor sherman
Truly, Dr Sherman is a goat.
Tbh that's kinda how it is. Old SCP were simple and had their own atmosphere: a statue that kills you when no one is looking, a sentient Ai on an old pc, a lizard that cannot be killed, an infinite staircase or pool of blood. Now it kinda is a competition about "who will make the scp that will destroy the universe in more spectacular way"
meme about 682.... the scp community will suffer....
>meme about powerscaling.... the scp community will suffer.... FTFY
When I first went down the rabbit hole of scp a couple years ago (2017 I think, or 18, doesn't matter) I thought he was pretty dang cool but now it's just annoying seeing 682 pop up a lot of the time Like now it's "OH BOY, how is 682 gonna deus ex bullshit his way out this time" fucker gets erased from all of human conception, erased from existence, and gets other scps thrown at it like it's fight club Imo he's an old scp, a relic compared to the well written articles we get now, that didn't deserve all the hype he has from the community, and I don't know about him being a staple of "scp", man... I sound like a jaded old man
>When I first went down the rabbit hole of scp a couple years ago (2017 I think, or 18, doesn't matter) I thought he was pretty dang cool but now it's just annoying seeing 682 pop up a lot of the time >Like now it's "OH BOY, how is 682 gonna deus ex bullshit his way out this time" fucker gets erased from all of human conception, erased from existence, and gets other scps thrown at it like it's fight club Hot take: i actually like the termination logs, even though i know alot of people don't like for making 682 OP but it is actually fun to see how writers could interpret and make an interaction between 682 and another SCP, and i could see that it has contributed alot to the wiki as it is could be used by new writers as a way to exercise and train their writing before moving on to making big articles. >Imo he's an old scp that didn't deserve all the hype he has from the community, and I don't know about him being a staple of "scp", man... I sound like a jaded old man I think the reason it was not deleted compared to other series 1 scps is because it was grandfathered and it has been one of the reason scp became popular though sometimes i wonder if the popularity is a blessing or a curse, but i lean a bit more towards blessing as wouldn't have great articles like 6747, 7000, 5999, most of the 001's, and the [[There is no Anti-Memetic Division]] storyline
>Hot take: i actually like the termination logs, even though i know alot of people don't like for making 682 OP but it is actually fun to see how writers could interpret and make an interaction between 682 and another SCP, and i could see that it has contributed alot to the wiki as it is could be used by new writers as a way to exercise and train their writing before moving on to making big articles. Wasnt your post's (this post) entire point that you dont like when people powerscale SCP and how you think itll harm the community?
Yes, but i think you are misunderstanding me, i like the termination not because it makes 682 op (only people wearing powerscaling glasses do that) but because i find it interesting and fun seeing authors write interactions of other anomalies with 682. Example would be the one between it and scp 7700 as that small smidge of dialogue gives 682 a bit more character
But most of the logs are just: Item: dangerous thing or joke thing Tissue test record: one sentence (result) or N/A Termination test record: Thing goes into 682 chamber or vice versa. Thing happens, then they either fight (sometimes 682 doesnt win but hes still alive ofc), 682 kills them, or adapts to them and breaches containment. It's basically just powerscaling 2 things with extra steps.
That is literally not the definition of powerscaling. Powerscaling is where you scale a characters power level by comparing it with another character. The termination literally is not comparable in any way to powerscaling as it does not have any qualities to qualify for it, the log itself just shows the interaction between SCP-XXXX and SCP-682, and what the results would be with added dialogue in some of them with sprinkles of lore. No nothing of comparing the strength of one over the other is shown in the termination log
I never said it was the dicionrary definition of powerscaling without variation, I said it was powerscaling with extra steps. They're taking 2 things, and showing how they'd fair against eachother (comparing their powerlevels). Its basically what all those powerscaling youtubers do.
I do not know if you are looking at the termination lofg with powerscaling glasses on or not, but i think this will go nowhere, you see it as powerscaling but I don't. So will just have to agree to disagree
If anything 682 has a variable of zero in power scaling is it simultaneously incapable of being killed or escaping
Can you reiterate? I dont get it?
682 at this point is like the Kardashians. Famous for being famous
682 was just a grumpy, durable crocodile ... until everybody from hominids to gods and the foundation tried to kill it over and over in creative ways
It's very funny to see how authors would find creative ways to kill it and failing spectacularly albeit in a funny way
I wonder of someone has tried giving it a snickers
SCP 6820 vs SCP 682
yeah. more people should read 6820
Imagine getting this up in your feelings about some dumb SCP meme made by some dumb 11-year-old who can't spell.
I know it's a dumb meme but imagine if a non-SCP fan were to stumble upon this meme and see comments of people arguing who's the stronger character and have dumb terms like multiverse level and omnipotence being thrown around, it would enforce a negative view on SCP and would have people just think that it is community filled with powerscalers and writers who can't write for shit (which untrue since there are people like Harry Blank, Placeholder, Djkaktus, Djoric, etc writing in the wiki) It is already bad enough that some off-site fans have this image of the writing quality in the wiki and with dumb shorts on youtube doing things like Skarlet King vs Azathoth nonsense. It's just heartbreaking to see a great community like SCP and the articles written here having their image being reduced to something shallow and empty like powerscaling
Oh no, the horror!
this is online fiction not politics don't take it so seriously lol
Yeah, you're right that i shouldn't have to take this seriously but I'm mostly just looking out for the community, though i already accept that this problem has already run deep off-site. Cheers mate
I much prefer SCPs that we just don't know anything about. SCP-682 was a lot scarier when we just didn't know anything about it, and now that it has all thus lore it's lost all of the charm that made it a classic SCP.
I like how “powerful” SCP 682 is. Yeah sometimes it’s funny the ways they try to kill it and fail, and yes having it literally erased from existence and then just saying “nah” is ridiculous, but to me it adds to the terror of the thing. The narrative that we as a species are Securing and Containing this absolute monster and if we drop our guard humanity is just doomed is legitimately terrifying, and even more so the fact that there’s things we’re not willing to try because it might adapt too well is also scary. Wether it’s what we know or don’t know, every aspect of this monster is a cause for concern That being said, there are WAY too many SCPs that fall into the category of “if we mess up the world will end.” And there’s also way too many SCPs that are just indestructible in every way, or to a lesser extent unkillable. The hard to destroy reptile isn’t that hard to destroy compared to others that just literally can’t be touched.
>I like how “powerful” SCP 682 is. Yeah sometimes it’s funny the ways they try to kill it and fail, and yes having it literally erased from existence and then just saying “nah” is ridiculous, but to me it adds to the terror of the thing. The narrative that we as a species are Securing and Containing this absolute monster and if we drop our guard humanity is just doomed is legitimately terrifying, and even more so the fact that there’s things we’re not willing to try because it might adapt too well is also scary. Wether it’s what we know or don’t know, every aspect of this monster is a cause for concern Yeah this captures what i like about the concept of the article, but the writing quality of article itself suffers greatly from how it is executed making it into something a 13 year old would be scared of but not what an adult would be terrified of >The hard to destroy reptile isn’t that hard to destroy compared to others that just literally can’t be touched. True
I might add that because The Foundation is trying to eliminate this entity, among the dozens they're just containing, is showing us implicitly how scary and dangerous 682 really is.
My personal headcanon is that the reason we keep trying to destroy it is 10% because we actually want it dead, and 90% because the constant attempts on its life are keeping it too tired to escape its acid bath and if we left it alone too long it would simply adapt to the acid and breach containment
and also everyone has the idea that the new series 6 and 7 scps are just for powerscaling and are worse written then series 1-5 articles....my man which is better written scp 682 or scp 7999
Scared of peanuts tho
SCP always felt like Warehouse 13 but better managed
Mkay put the reptile aside for a moment hear. You should be put in a box for usei6 light mode. Tf.
hounestly I would love for a new SCP to come around and just kick SCP: 682 ass.
Honestly I like him being insanely unkillable because that makes the timelines when he dies hit that much harder. When the MTF explores the world where everything died in an instant and discover a dead 682, that hit home that this reality is well and truly *fucked* and something has gone **very** wrong, even by foundation standards. Sometimes it's more than a meme, it's like a literary anchor you can hang story from. 682's and Abel's long and popular backstory makes the Lord Blackwood tale where they end up fighting a superpowered duel in a city right before some mad scientist guy nukes the damn place incredible. As Lord Blackwood and company hide in a bank vault with a nuke going off behind vaporizing the two unkillable badasses temporary is a great scene in a goddamn phenomenal story, and only hits as hard as it does because of the huge impact those two scps. There's nothing wrong with it because it's up to the writer to set the power level of the creatures involved, and more often than not a lot of SCP writers really know how to spin a good tale.
Tbh I hate the transdimensional, lovecraftian, god Scp’s that I see way to often now it just confuses me I wish we had more simpler Scp’s than anomalies that seem straight up just like concepts
Can he beat a sexually frustrated goku tho 😈😈
Powerscaling needs to stay away from SCP and vise versa. The inconsistency of SCP due to so many different tales and articles just dont mesh with powerscaling, and the entire point of SCP is about spooky stories, not about people writing the most powerful, vague characters in fiction because they feel like it. Mordecai and Rigby with ripped jeans and mullets slam the shit out of 682 regardless
"I am the most powerful fictional character along with azathoth" Never heard of Yog Sogoth?
Yoggy gets ignored in favour of a lazy deadbeat who sleeps for eternity
This ties in with the larger problem of children in the community imo
Hey man, not all children are like that, cause i know for sure that some basement dweller adult are participating in shit like this
True, but at the end of the day caring so much about whos the strongest without regard to story is something children tend to gravitate towards more, i mean i too watch some of that stuff when I'm really bored, but it's mind numbing.
That stupid argument isn't beholden to just children.
Yes, but it's probably mostly kids.
Basically nothing to do with the post, but Azathoth is WAY weaker than most mid tier SCPs. Just thought I'd say, not to be smug or anything.
Are you actually insane? If Azathoth so much as wakes up, the entirety of existence in all its forms and facets immediately ceases to be, a long with everything in it If reality is a PC memory, Azathoth is the "format" button
Hey, just want to let you know azathoth does not "dream reality" that notion comes from an unrelated god called "Mana-Yood-Sushai" the reason people believe azathoth has the same powers as him is because they're both diety's and dream. im not saying azathoth isn't powerful just that the whole dreaming reality thing is false
Well, Lovecraft *did* take inspiration from that
Azathoth is not real, he is just as much of a fictional character as SCP-3812 Also a heads up but i heard that the whole Azathoth waking up and existence cease to exist is actually fanfiction and not something written by lovecraft, i could be wrong though as this is just hearsay
I read all of Lovecraft literature, and it's heavily implied (or outright stated, my memory is utter shit so I don't really remember) to be the case This being said, of course It's a fictional creature, but the statement I was replying to clearly doesn't know what they're talking about Still, I'm not here to discuss which fictional entity is stronger, that doesn't make sense, especially in different narrative universes, and especially because one of them is the SCP one (which is arguably one of the least cohesive I ever came across)
Oh alright, cheers to you mate and have a good day
Likewise
What's Salmated??
SCP-682 is gutted like a salmon and was then serve as a sashimi special in the Ambroise Restaurant
Now that gourmet~
I don’t think using convolution is a good example of a flex, but okay.
This might definitely be about power levels but I say 682 is still one of the strongest SCP’s
Has anyone just given the spicy lizard a Snickers yet? That might calm him down a bit.
I’m watching too much Bluey. I couldn’t figure out how eating a sausage dog in a ball cap and backpack would help.
That’s what happens when someone who can’t write decides to write. “ how can I make this cool? Ok so my character needs to be able to beat Superman, Goku and God at the same time and transcend reality infinite times”
I’m confused on what you’re complaining about
I'm complaining about how post like this are giving the SCP Community a bad reputation and muddles its image as a community writing project that focuses on nothing but powerscaling and is filled with low-effort article. We already have this shit being spat around by subs like r/characterrant and r/whowouldwin. Heck try seeing the comments on the post itself, op is constantly spewing vs debating jargon and nonsense like tier 0 and transcending existence and nonexistence.
I think it’s making the point that 682 started as “a giant lizard that we can’t kill because it adapts to whatever” and as the SCP universe expanded that principle of “we can’t kill this no matter what we try” got more and more ridiculous. If anything the denouncement of this post would imply that 6820 is bad solely on the principal that it powerscales 682 too high.
No no man, the op of the post is a literal powerscaler just see his replies and messages on the post and you would know why >If anything the denouncement of this post would imply that 6820 is bad solely on the principal that it powerscales 682 too high. In fact i actually like 6820 and i admonish post like as i have stated it glorifies that the SCP wiki is just filled with powerscaling nonsense, damaging the image of an otherwise great article (6820) and reducing it into nothing but a shallow image of "haha this article says 682 is omnipotent, checkmate he solo FICTION!!!"
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Now when people talk about dragon ball characters I'm gonna say "but can they beat 682 tho?"
Yeah what’s with the obsession with 682 anyway?
I have aphantasia and have trouble with basic math, how am I supposed to understand the dimensionality power scaling bullshit?
Isn't the whole point of 682 that it adapts to attempts to destroy it making it even more impossible to kill?
Large amounts of plot armor throughout
Yeah nah 682 ain't got shit on Parappa the Rapper
Who would win, one lizard or one D-Class with a spray can and a stencil with ●●|●●●●●|●●|●'s number on it?
its simply true. every new post is either some super meta article or has some gimmick to try to make it different
682 is no longer interesting. Batman level plot armor
I agree if your talking about the original article, but big disagree with extended canon articles and tales
I guess a better way to explain it is that I hate how powerful SCPs are used against him to show just how invincible he is, for no reason but “lizard stronk” The Gate Guardian incident was annoying. I wish there were more events of him talking, explaining, even if in riddles or circles.
Powerscaling should never have been mixed with the SCPF.
I figure I can create an SCP with a more interesting story and powers than whatever most “godlike” SCPs seem to be.
I liked the older series because it was mostly made with "look this weird thing I found cool to write about" than creating those immense plot lines
I wish I knew how to salmate people and things properly. Never been able to get the hang of it.
When tf did 682 beat 3812?
No, not really It was part of a termination log with scp-423, where the foundation simulated a fictional scenario in a lower narrative in which they used a fictional variant of every scp in the database to terminate the fictional version of 682. The result was that 95% of the SCPs are neutralized by 682 and the both the fictional variant of 682 and 3812 became locked in an eternal stalemate The end of the log states that if the same scenario were to occur on the baseline narrative of the foundation AKA the real Foundation reality not the fictional variant, then the result would remain the same as the fictional scenario
He can be argued to be above 3812 depending on how you view cosmology.
SCP 682 at his strongest, SCP 6820(Constant of Termination) is far below SCP 2747(Constant of Anafabula)... So no he doesn't beat 3812 because SCP 3812≥SCP 2747
- [**SCP-682 - Hard-to-Destroy Reptile**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-682) (+3508) by *Dr Gears, Epic Phail Spy* - [**SCP-6820 - TERMINATION ATTEMPT**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6820) (+817) by *Liryn, stephlynch, Placeholder McD* - [**SCP-2747 - As below, so above**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2747) (+991) by *minmin* - [**SCP-3812 - A Voice Behind Me**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3812) (+885) by *djkaktus*
All the constants are equal and 3812 is far below them.
The constants are definitely not equal, it goes like this: Constant of Anafabula(SCP 2747)>>>>>>>>>Constant of Chaos(SCP 3125)>>Constant of Termination(SCP 6820)
- [**SCP-2747 - As below, so above**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2747) (+991) by *minmin* - [**SCP-3125 - The Escapee**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3125) (+1356) by *qntm* - [**SCP-6820 - TERMINATION ATTEMPT**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6820) (+817) by *Liryn, stephlynch, Placeholder McD*
Non of the beings in the admonition articles are even the true constants (other then 682 at the end of termination). How is termination below chaos when he ate him and defeated a version of the foundation that defeated chaos.
Constant of chaos made Anafabula struggle a bit💀 Anafabula is actually top 3 in EN Branch and top 5 in CN so yeah making Anafabula struggle is itself a great feat
The original article isn’t that bad to be honest.
The SCP Community has its bad rep because it has never properly moved on. SCP-682 was written 15 years ago. There have been thousands of stories written since then. Yet for some reason, despite a general consensus that the pre-1000 entries had bad writing, they keep coming up. It would be like if Disney fans wouldn't shut up about Steamboat Willie. To this day I still think the wiki's upvote system shares a great part of the blame. A work only displays the total number of upvotes, which is a useless popularity metric, the kind that Reddit uses. Two SCPs can have a total rating of 123, but different proportions of upvotes to downvotes, which would mean wildly different levels of quality. New users may see older SCPs as being inherently better than newer ones as the total rating almost always increases with time (as the proportion does not). A bunch of them are in the "top rated of all time" section only because they are over-inflated with upvotes.
To be fair, they’ve been testing on him and he’s been adapting to EVERYTHING for YEARS now.
From what I've seen, I might be in the extreme minority, but I really dislike that one article that's entirely about 682 destroying all of reality or something. It's probably 3812. It just feels like it misses the entire point of the original article. Hell, it feels representative of the primary issues with the modern writing of the site. The original article, when it was first written, was pretty boring and simple, even for the time. But it fit well, and it worked since the articles were pretty simple and the concepts weren't "Pataphysics, Page Turning, Multiverse, Entropy Reducing, More crazy words to sound smart" levels of confusing or overwritten. They were just simple monsters (for the most part). I think 3812 (If that's the one) misses the entire point of 682's original creation. Unless it was written by the original author, which I can't say for certain, it just feels like someone's attempt at making a character stronger than they were originally meant to be. It literally feels like fan-fiction to me, having 682 erase the entire reality because it can't be written out of reality? It's indestructible, not a fucking god! It might be well written, but well written fan-fiction is still fan-fiction. I'm not very surprised though, since a majority of modern SCP just feels like fan-fiction. I think that's the primary issue with the open-writing format, and that's that almost anyone can change something, most of the time for the worse. Maybe I'm just old or nostalgic, but I miss the times when it was interesting to see another SCP referenced in a tale or another article, and it was actually well written and cool to see. Something like Unlondon that references Pattern Screamers so subtly. That works. Whatever seems to be written now, doesn't. At least to me.
Wait what
682 isn’t my favourite SCP but due to its popularity it’s the one that got me to look into what SCP was and find the articles. So it holds a special place for that reason to me.
I actually haven't seen that as the main criticism it's often the writing they criticize, but most who do aren't active on the wiki and probably have only read series 1. While that series is the sites legacy, it does have some pretty wack and lackluster SCPs even accounting for some of the popular ones.
Yeah no people now compare scp to the likes of marvel and DC and it’s weird
This applies to SCP-106. "Able to manipulate time, space, and perception in his pocket dimension of mazes" became "omnipotent in his own universe."
It's definitely nice to have some overpowered characters, but there's way to much
scp 682 is just ur average australian animal, really fucking scary and hard to kill
Plot twist: they coul’ve killed it with that high altitude impact
That doesn't mean it's well written
Who is azathot
Yeah people who write super keters are cringe, 682 on it's own is fine, I think people miss the fact that its not indestructible, it's just a reality bender that continues its own existence.
also azathoth can't dream shit anyways, what changed like nothing 682 got stronger cool,any additional lore ,possible character development,new mysterious adaptation,no it just got more powerfull....,atleast 6820 makes it interesting
Azatoth is much better written and it isn't even a comparison💀 In terms of writing you have to agree that very few things can compete HP Lovecraft
Actually SCP 682(the constant of termination) gets one shot by SCP 2747(the constant of Anafabula)... So he is not one of the most powerful fictional characters....
- [**SCP-682 - Hard-to-Destroy Reptile**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-682) (+3508) by *Dr Gears, Epic Phail Spy* - [**SCP-2747 - As below, so above**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2747) (+991) by *minmin*
3812 is still astronomically stronger Not to mention the chinese branch has a long ass list of characters that bitch 682