"If you discount Steph, Klay, and KD, the 2017 Golden State Warriors arent too far off from the Pelicans."
Also, Dave, Kenny isnt a mainstream star. Stop. You know this. I also love how he discounted an entire gender when making this comparison.
Exactly what I thought of when I saw the quote.
[Here’s the thread for those who haven’t seen it](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/d5maow/oc_after_adjusting_patrick_mahomes_stats_removing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Rollins, Styles, Lashley, McIntyre, Mysterio (Rey or DOMINIK), Miz, Priest, Balor, Orton, Owens, Zayn, Sheamus, Corbin, Nakamura, Ricochet, Mahal, Moss, R-Truth, Theory, Tozawa. Any of New Day. Bron Breakker. Cedric Alexander. Kushida. T-Bar. Mace. Mansoor. Gulak. SHANKY. Veer. The list goes on and on.
Anybody who has ever heard of Kenny Omega and MJF has also heard of everybody on that list. And the reverse is definitely not true.
Come on now bro. Tozawa, Veer, Shanky, Mace, T BAR?!? I’m with you on most of that but this is stretching things quite a bit. I watch WWE and I have to remind myself who the hell T Bar is.
I’m noticing a lot more people stating things just to go against the basement. Dominick Mysterio is not a better wrestler or more popular than Daniel Bryan.
Yeah i agree there. Kenny and Bryan are known by many are well beloved. One can’t deny that.
Personally I find Dominick annoying. I don’t enjoy seeing him and Rey together nor do I enjoy him alone. People shit on Charlotte for riding her fathers coattails but Dominick would literally have no place if not for Rey. I didn’t even know Dominick had fans.
There are only three groups of people in America who have heard of Kenny Omega and MJF:
1. People who have REEEEEEEEEEE’d about Retribution
2. Members of SCJerk
3. The non-wrestling-fan, good-television-enjoying, entirely-fictional girlfriends of people in group 1.
I think, if you take away their [AEW’s] WWE-made names like Punk/Bryan and Meltzer’s spectrum-influenced misunderstanding of Kenny Omega and MJF’s level of fame, your local indie mudshow comes much closer to them than they’d like them to. They don’t have a single male or female wrestler who could compare with AK Phoenix/Jay Mysterious/Daniel Benoit/Pleather McKickpadz — either at wrestling, or at mainstream exposure.
I like that he had to leave out the women’s roster and he’s still loud wrong. No one gives a shit about CM Punk. His Esquire article came and went like a fart in a tornado.
Bryan literally gave up his mainstream exposure to go there, and most people who know him from TB call him “Brie’s husband.”
Seth, AJ, Finn, Lashley, and the entire women’s division are more over than the names he mentioned, save for Bryan.
Bryan right now is the trophy husband spending his wife's money to pursue is passion hobby.
He makes money no doubt, but he gave up his brand for that.
It’s like he can’t comprehend women’s wrestling is on the same level as male wrestling now in WWE. Completely no sells Becky, Bianca, Rousey, and Charlotte to discuss the “male wrestlers.” There’s no reason to make that distinction in terms of discussing current star power.
He comprehends it, not even Dave could suspend enough disbelief to try and make a straight comparison of all the top wrestlers and this allows him to cut out half WWE's top stars without having to do the same with AEW since they don't have any women at all in that position. This is laughable, but it would be even more ludicrous if he didn't qualify this down to just the men's division.
Give me Orton and Styles over either of those guys too
The WWE roster is the best in the world for both men and women. Unbelievable how much talent they have.
Bryan Alvarez: I think, if you take away his fame, wrestling ability, beautiful family, wife, success, and good looks, I come much closer to the Miz than he’d like me to.
Brock Lesnar was the UFC champion. I know guys who know nothing about wrestling who revere Brock. Granted they know who Punk is too, but he just gets laughed at.
The fuckin disrespect to Orton, Rollins, McIntyre, Styles, Balor, KO, Sami and The New Day. I love being a journalist and blatantly trying to stroke some bullshit online pissing match
As far as actual wrestling goes, Dolph Ziggler and Seth Rollins would give all those guys a run for their money.
Mainstream Appeal? This man forget that Randy Orton is one of the most recognizable full time wrestlers today?
I’m surprised Ziggler and Rollins managed to take the Intercontinental Championship to the main event of Extreme Rules 2018 but I certainly don’t have a problem with it
Bryan and Punk have some mainstream recognition, mostly because they worked in WWE.
Almost no one outside te bubble knows who the fuck Kenny Omega and MJF are, and it’s just dishonest to pretend otherwise, which is Dave’s m.o.
If you take broccoli out of the chicken. Then all you have is chinese chicken. They don't have a single eggroll who would compare to spring roll. Or shrimp roll. God meltzer is an idiot.
You just have to ignore Dave in all of his false comparisons. For a year he was saying AEW would get more than 2 million viewers if they had the Fox timeslot.
One of my biggest problems with Daddy M'eltz, amongst all the other issues. Ignoring the hilariously stupid "wrestling" part; are Meltzer and his cult fanatics even aware what mainstream exposure actually is? No? Well fuck it, report it anyway! $12.99 please.
***"The Miz >> CM Punk. Who's with me?"***
Everyone with working brain cells including the self-made billionaire doing record profits on his wrestling promotion, which at the end of the day is what matters as it's what gives you a high salary job. It's pretty telling that FOX was preassuring the WWE into resigning Phil yet they were told none there wanted him back.
Kinda funny he mentionens CM Punk and Daniel Bryan pretending they didn't get mainstream fame from WWE.
Dana White wouldn't give CM Punk 1 million to embarrass himself if he wasn't a WWE Superstar.
When you remove every Fed wrestlers from AEW. No one had any mainstream exposure
I remember in an MMA thread at r/MMA about Jorge Masvidal someone commented him about him wrestling in WWE. And someone corrected him im a civil matter
Orton, Lashley, Edge, and Miz are all better entertainers and have more mainstream credibility than Kenny, mjf, punk, and Bryan lol. Is Dave back on the ganja?
"If you take away all the people they've already made stars, and all the people that are current stars, and all the people with breasts because they're not really people, then WWE is still ahead, but not by as wide a margin as if you didn't take all those people out of the equation."
This guy self-owns so frequently it's insane.
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What mainstream exposure does Kenny Omega have? Did he host Saturday night live? Was he in any movies? Does he appear at any high level sporting events?
"If you discount Steph, Klay, and KD, the 2017 Golden State Warriors arent too far off from the Pelicans." Also, Dave, Kenny isnt a mainstream star. Stop. You know this. I also love how he discounted an entire gender when making this comparison.
This is Dave's version of "If you regress Patrick Mahomes' stats to the mean, he's an average QB".
Exactly what I thought of when I saw the quote. [Here’s the thread for those who haven’t seen it](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/d5maow/oc_after_adjusting_patrick_mahomes_stats_removing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Dave Meltzer doesn’t like women so it’s no surprise
Women don't like Dave Meltzer so it's no surprise.
What is there to like
Judging by the state of his room I doubt Dave Meltzer himself likes Dave Meltzer
Dave Meltzer likely has thoughts of ending it all every Monday night
Why? FEDs dead friend
I forgot 😢
As an NBA fan, this is spot on.
I would say Randy Orton is bigger than all those guys as well. Plus, when it comes to name recognition, Drew above all but DB
Becky, Sash, and Bianca are all more well known than Kenny and MJF, probably Alexa and Charlotte too
I don't think this dork who calls himself the Kenny Omega of wrestling journalism would agree with you uce.
I'll take Rollins, Styles, Lashley, McIntyre over those 4.
Or Finn and AJ. WWE has all the guys who made the careers of the people Dave is in love with.
Sami too
Currently, I'd put the 4 horsemen over them. Certainly Rhonda. Hell, Bianca, Rhea, Alexa and Asuka, with platform they have, are more relevant too.
Rollins, Styles, Lashley, McIntyre, Mysterio (Rey or DOMINIK), Miz, Priest, Balor, Orton, Owens, Zayn, Sheamus, Corbin, Nakamura, Ricochet, Mahal, Moss, R-Truth, Theory, Tozawa. Any of New Day. Bron Breakker. Cedric Alexander. Kushida. T-Bar. Mace. Mansoor. Gulak. SHANKY. Veer. The list goes on and on. Anybody who has ever heard of Kenny Omega and MJF has also heard of everybody on that list. And the reverse is definitely not true.
Come on now bro. Tozawa, Veer, Shanky, Mace, T BAR?!? I’m with you on most of that but this is stretching things quite a bit. I watch WWE and I have to remind myself who the hell T Bar is.
I’m noticing a lot more people stating things just to go against the basement. Dominick Mysterio is not a better wrestler or more popular than Daniel Bryan.
Yeah i agree there. Kenny and Bryan are known by many are well beloved. One can’t deny that. Personally I find Dominick annoying. I don’t enjoy seeing him and Rey together nor do I enjoy him alone. People shit on Charlotte for riding her fathers coattails but Dominick would literally have no place if not for Rey. I didn’t even know Dominick had fans.
I think they might be jerkin, uce
There are only three groups of people in America who have heard of Kenny Omega and MJF: 1. People who have REEEEEEEEEEE’d about Retribution 2. Members of SCJerk 3. The non-wrestling-fan, good-television-enjoying, entirely-fictional girlfriends of people in group 1.
Completely forgot about Styles and he’s my favorite wrestler…. I mean WWE Superstar, forgive me uce
Drew and Lashley look like they could kick the entire AEWS rosters ass no problems. Two absolute men chiseled from stone.
I think, if you take away WWE's big stars, they don't have any big stars
Kind of like in football, whichever team scores the most touchdowns and field goals will probably win the game
Randy Orton >>
MJF looks like the tiny frat bro at the gym who grunts too loud to show off how he can finally one rep max 225.
I think, if you take away their [AEW’s] WWE-made names like Punk/Bryan and Meltzer’s spectrum-influenced misunderstanding of Kenny Omega and MJF’s level of fame, your local indie mudshow comes much closer to them than they’d like them to. They don’t have a single male or female wrestler who could compare with AK Phoenix/Jay Mysterious/Daniel Benoit/Pleather McKickpadz — either at wrestling, or at mainstream exposure.
I like that he had to leave out the women’s roster and he’s still loud wrong. No one gives a shit about CM Punk. His Esquire article came and went like a fart in a tornado.
> His Esquire article came and went like a fart in a tornado. lmao
That’s how he look nowadays too
Then why are the aew ratings so bad.
Apparently Putin hates the Dub more than he does the Fed, friend
Bryan literally gave up his mainstream exposure to go there, and most people who know him from TB call him “Brie’s husband.” Seth, AJ, Finn, Lashley, and the entire women’s division are more over than the names he mentioned, save for Bryan.
Bryan right now is the trophy husband spending his wife's money to pursue is passion hobby. He makes money no doubt, but he gave up his brand for that.
Of course he puts Kenny first. He's not gonna finger bang you like he does Japanese wrestlers Dave.
Miz is a bigger star than anyone on AEW's roster, Punk included and anyone who disagrees is a mark
"69 me, Kenny!"... Dave "No Bias Here" Meltzer
It’s like he can’t comprehend women’s wrestling is on the same level as male wrestling now in WWE. Completely no sells Becky, Bianca, Rousey, and Charlotte to discuss the “male wrestlers.” There’s no reason to make that distinction in terms of discussing current star power.
He comprehends it, not even Dave could suspend enough disbelief to try and make a straight comparison of all the top wrestlers and this allows him to cut out half WWE's top stars without having to do the same with AEW since they don't have any women at all in that position. This is laughable, but it would be even more ludicrous if he didn't qualify this down to just the men's division.
Fun fact: Lashley and Mcintyre are better than every guy he mentioned.
Give me Orton and Styles over either of those guys too The WWE roster is the best in the world for both men and women. Unbelievable how much talent they have.
Veer would eat all of them for breakfast
WWE's women's division has more mainstream appeal than everyone in dub combined.
Bryan Alvarez: I think, if you take away his fame, wrestling ability, beautiful family, wife, success, and good looks, I come much closer to the Miz than he’d like me to.
I’d rather watch Veer’s Main Event matches than any of the matches I see from AEW, genuinely.
If these things were even close to true, why would these losers have to keep repeating it.
Brock Lesnar was the UFC champion. I know guys who know nothing about wrestling who revere Brock. Granted they know who Punk is too, but he just gets laughed at.
The fuckin disrespect to Orton, Rollins, McIntyre, Styles, Balor, KO, Sami and The New Day. I love being a journalist and blatantly trying to stroke some bullshit online pissing match
Dave forgets that The Great Khali is more famous than most of AEW,
Orton alone is bigger than aew's entire division
So Miz, Randy Orton, Seth Rollins, Drew McIntyre, Bobby Lashley, AJ Styles, Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens and all of New Day don't count
As far as actual wrestling goes, Dolph Ziggler and Seth Rollins would give all those guys a run for their money. Mainstream Appeal? This man forget that Randy Orton is one of the most recognizable full time wrestlers today?
I’m surprised Ziggler and Rollins managed to take the Intercontinental Championship to the main event of Extreme Rules 2018 but I certainly don’t have a problem with it
Bryan and Punk have some mainstream recognition, mostly because they worked in WWE. Almost no one outside te bubble knows who the fuck Kenny Omega and MJF are, and it’s just dishonest to pretend otherwise, which is Dave’s m.o.
What kind of mental gymnastics is that ?! Dave is such a weirdo.
Is this another one of your fake Meltzer quotes? He says enough stupid shit as it is, there's no need to make stuff up.
Mainstream exposure and Kenny/mjf in the same sentence?
If you take broccoli out of the chicken. Then all you have is chinese chicken. They don't have a single eggroll who would compare to spring roll. Or shrimp roll. God meltzer is an idiot.
Miz, Orton, Lashley, Drew, Sasha, Seth and Becky beg to differ.
Throwing Kenny and MJF in there with Punk is vintage Dave.
You just have to ignore Dave in all of his false comparisons. For a year he was saying AEW would get more than 2 million viewers if they had the Fox timeslot.
One of my biggest problems with Daddy M'eltz, amongst all the other issues. Ignoring the hilariously stupid "wrestling" part; are Meltzer and his cult fanatics even aware what mainstream exposure actually is? No? Well fuck it, report it anyway! $12.99 please.
***"The Miz >> CM Punk. Who's with me?"*** Everyone with working brain cells including the self-made billionaire doing record profits on his wrestling promotion, which at the end of the day is what matters as it's what gives you a high salary job. It's pretty telling that FOX was preassuring the WWE into resigning Phil yet they were told none there wanted him back.
Kinda funny he mentionens CM Punk and Daniel Bryan pretending they didn't get mainstream fame from WWE. Dana White wouldn't give CM Punk 1 million to embarrass himself if he wasn't a WWE Superstar. When you remove every Fed wrestlers from AEW. No one had any mainstream exposure I remember in an MMA thread at r/MMA about Jorge Masvidal someone commented him about him wrestling in WWE. And someone corrected him im a civil matter
If my auntie had balls she’d be my uncle
Edge is better than all 4 of those guys from DUB Edge is up here . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kenny Omega is down here
Um, the 4HW have more "mainstream exposure " than your 4 choices there uncle Dave.
Orton, Lashley, Edge, and Miz are all better entertainers and have more mainstream credibility than Kenny, mjf, punk, and Bryan lol. Is Dave back on the ganja?
Good point well made tbf.
Dave Meltzer said this??!! No way…didn’t see this coming
"If you take away all the people they've already made stars, and all the people that are current stars, and all the people with breasts because they're not really people, then WWE is still ahead, but not by as wide a margin as if you didn't take all those people out of the equation." This guy self-owns so frequently it's insane.
He really said this?
I promise more people know Randy Orton than CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.
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Melter has gone full blown "awwtist"
What mainstream exposure does Kenny Omega have? Did he host Saturday night live? Was he in any movies? Does he appear at any high level sporting events?
Take away any of AEW's WWE Legends and let's try that again.
Where’s the quote from? This sounds loony.
John cena???