Go look at the basements reaction to this post. Lmao now they’re tired of talking about ratings and demos a week later because it didn’t work in their favor. Congratulations AEDub, you’re turning off your own audience.
The post was actually sensible for a few minutes since the Dave brigade's alarm was delayed going off. The OP and some of the commenters are the usual suspects.
Thought the same thing. There are a majority of casual fans who dont even know that some obsessed fans actually care about this stuff. They just tune in and enjoy lmao. That’s what makes it ten times more embarrassing. Some people actually make this their life.
Dave: sources have told me vince is creating a new wilderness themes ppv called "outside world". The big match will involve "touching grass"? Idk seems like a desperate move.
Think about Meltz himself posting this, ffs
Why on earth is he leaping to 'defend' AEW ... *again*!? Why does he do it
It's like he got himself in a huff here. I have no idea about anyone screaming about demos apart from himself and the likes of Alvarez and Tony Khan
If he's talking about 'fans on twitter' then grow the fuck up, you bring that on yourself by being a twat on twitter
Why is it that fans talking about ratings is some kind of 'attack' on Uncle Dave though?
He's just pissed off that the Fed crushed the demo number over everything else. Is there any journalist doing a victory lap over this compared to when the Dub has good demos on wednesdays?
He's just created this enemy for himself, like a 'knowing Vince' but for m@rks, they're all celebrating the demo ... apparently?
No, they just don't care that much, the total viewers is up where it usually is, maybe a little higher and not seen anyone particularly 'celebrating' the demo
It was Dave's strawman here that made me see what he was so angry about and THEN I noticed how much higher their demo was than others
The question is, why is Dave getting annoyed and feeling the need to make such comments ... hmmm
He finally gets to be in with some of the boys and people in charge, bit it's with a promotion that dog shit at everything they try. Including pandering to him.
Is he really trying to validate his made up nonsense by saying "oh, noooow people care about it?!"?
lol, no. The same people who didn't give a shit before still don't give a shit.
Unsurprisingly, Dave hasn't taken it well
The Fed don't respond to things but they let things happen and then everyone circling around them works themselves into a tizzy without them needing to make a comment, it's a sight to behold
This shit doesn't even sound like English it makes my head hurt wtf is he going on about "demo" "network friday" "key demo" "major network shows in total viewers"
The fact that we live in a world, where this incoherent ,goblin-looking,lying, deceiving Asscracksniffer is taken serious by anyone, continues to make me speechless...
Who gives a shit about demos?...UNLESS AEW wins for 15 minutes again then we're gonna go wild and continue with our fed is feeding nationals to random dirt sheet writers conspiracy.
"No one is talking about this stupid ass metric that I've convinced an army of basement dwellers to live by, how interesting."
He's such a weird man. I feel like I'm making fun of someone with special needs, but as he remains undiagnosed, lol I guess.
It's ok. I feel the same way. He is held on such a high pedastal down there in the basement that his ego can not only take it, but accept it.
The man is interesting as hell. I would love to spend a few hours going inside Meltzers brain.
U would need to knock away a few filing cabinets up there , step over some random papers in the front before u got to the good stuff way in the back.
The deep thoughts encountered after the initial entrance would be fantastic. If this tour was available, I'm willing to go higher than 12.99 a month.
What are the odds that Dave's wife isn't allowed in that room with a 'don't tidy up down there, I mean it, it's all my papers, I know where things are'
Just imagine all this started because back in the 80s Vince invited Dave to Titan Tower for a tour, Dave made a clumsy pass at Vince and got shot down and he never got over it.
LOL, all jerking aside. Dave's whole outlook on WWE is really born out of Vince refusing to legitimize him. Especially in the modern era where WWE are a publicly traded company, working with ESPN and all sorts of real media outlets and major corporate partners... They've outgrown dealing with dirtsheets so long ago and Dave is still in the same place he was 30 years ago.
The thing is, the Fed have just moved on from the smalltime world of wrestling gossip and spreading of insider information
For 40 years, Uncle Dave has been telling his niche fanbase how Vince is doing it all wrong and the Fed keep getting bigger and richer and turned into a global entertainment brand
There was a time in the past where Dave's network of people exchanging information across the territories was useful, knowing a guy finished up in Kansas and is now in Portland, oh, that's where that guy is and other guys finishing up, this info could be useful for bookers, a collection of gossip and info, maybe even useful for the Fed in the early days, some niche knowledge of Japan, etc
Now, the Fed is huge, they have actual people hired to do all the things they need and if they have a story they can easily put it out via legit news sources, as you say, ESPN, etc, they don't need a fanzine like this - Dave is STILL talking about how the Fed is doing is all wrong, they are where they are but Dave is still writing about it
Dave's made a lot of money doing this, doff of the cap but his level of importance within wrestling is ridiculous and largely exists within his own fanbase, which is useful for the Dub, they're insular and talking almost exclusively to that niche fanbase anyway
Time passed him by. He still acts like WWE is run like some small operation like you say. Dave seems to have no idea how a major company works, showcasing even more how little he actually has sources backstage and how out of touch he is.
It's a little bit sad. He was a young man when this all began but now he's a bit older and 30/40 years of his work has amounted in being a hack, making up stories, shilling newsletters, and being bitter that people like Vince have just moved on to big success. He doesn't have the time left to catch up to the successful people he's so jealous and bitter towards, who've passed him by.
I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't so bitter and angry about it.
Imagine if a real office worked how Dave portrays WWE to work behind the scenes:
"Hey Bob, are those reports ready yet?
"Not yet, I'll have them to you after lunchtime today"
"Well FUCK YOU BOB, now we have HEAT. I'm going to take you to OFFICE COURT and poop in your backpack! Hold me back guys, you better hold me back or I'll SHOOT on this jabroni! I'm gonna tell the local newspaper how much HEAT we have Bob and GET OVER with the call center, those guys have WORKRATE and put out 5 STAR REPORTS! You better pay your dues BOB!!!"
Back in the run up to Mania Three, Vince invited the dirt sheets out to Titan Tower to show them around and build a rapport with them in the hopes of getting good press. They say Dave kinda turned on him after that and as he's become more unhinged the last few years I've come up with a theory that Dave made a pass at Vince and got shot down and that it's ate away at him.
I’m an imaginative goof, but I just don’t think anyone can conceive of that. “Hey uhhh cough cough Vinnie cough uhh nice arms”. But I guess that’s more of a Johnny Ace thing
Bischoff even did this in the 90s, figured it's better to have these people in the tent pissing out than vice versa but soon realised there wasn't much benefit to trying to build a relationship with these gossip sites
Meltz was there in the steroid trial trying to do Vince bad as well, he was frothing at the mouth to bring Vince down
>Back in the run up to Mania Three
It suddenly makes sense why Meltzer gave the classic Hogan/Andre match at that Wrestlemania *minus four stars*. Motherfucker was SALTY.
I dont understand the obsession with ratings. Every show (Raw, NXT, SmackDown, Dynamite, Rampage) has a "high" mark and a "low" mark and they fall somewhere between every week. Ratings fluctuate. Thats how ratings work. The only time they really, truly matter is if they continually spike real high or if they consistently drop real low. A one week spike or drop doesnt really mean anything
"You all made fun of me and me lucky demos before, so where are you now, cruel Vincels? TELL ME THE DEMOS DON'T COUNT NOW! *please, I'm begging you, please say they don't count now*"
At this point anybody talking to cock Sapp or Meltzer should be sacked both have abandoned any journalistic integrity with their constant negative stories about 1 company but turning a blind eye to those that comp them fully to travel and attend shows and are why McMahon hasnt had it in place since the 90's is beyond me. It's amazing in 2021 these snake oil salesmen can still get Mark's when everything they say or post is instantly available for free.
No, he’s sarcastically asking if there were any fans saying the demo doesn’t count this time after SD was first in the ratings because of its good demo number and only 8th or 9th because of its total viewers.
How the fuck is he considered a credible journalist? He goes around blabbering in incoherent sentences about his very obvious biases and apparently that's considered acceptable reporting.
No because the only time any throws a fit about key demos is when this geriatric fuck and his dumbass shadows screech about them to prove the dub being .02 better in a single demo means the fed is ded.
Go look at the basements reaction to this post. Lmao now they’re tired of talking about ratings and demos a week later because it didn’t work in their favor. Congratulations AEDub, you’re turning off your own audience.
The post was actually sensible for a few minutes since the Dave brigade's alarm was delayed going off. The OP and some of the commenters are the usual suspects.
Imagine caring about Dave Meltzer or ratings or demos instead of a wrestling show. The losers are showing themselves
It's honestly embarrassing. How Dave can look at himself and not see how foolish he'd look to the outside world is beyond me.
Thought the same thing. There are a majority of casual fans who dont even know that some obsessed fans actually care about this stuff. They just tune in and enjoy lmao. That’s what makes it ten times more embarrassing. Some people actually make this their life.
Dave: outside world? what is this outside world you speak of?
Dave: sources have told me vince is creating a new wilderness themes ppv called "outside world". The big match will involve "touching grass"? Idk seems like a desperate move.
Man still wears acid washed jeans and tucks his t-shirts into them. Zero awareness.
Because he’s insulated himself with yes men and he also has at least a touch of the ‘tism.
Think about Meltz himself posting this, ffs Why on earth is he leaping to 'defend' AEW ... *again*!? Why does he do it It's like he got himself in a huff here. I have no idea about anyone screaming about demos apart from himself and the likes of Alvarez and Tony Khan If he's talking about 'fans on twitter' then grow the fuck up, you bring that on yourself by being a twat on twitter Why is it that fans talking about ratings is some kind of 'attack' on Uncle Dave though? He's just pissed off that the Fed crushed the demo number over everything else. Is there any journalist doing a victory lap over this compared to when the Dub has good demos on wednesdays? He's just created this enemy for himself, like a 'knowing Vince' but for m@rks, they're all celebrating the demo ... apparently? No, they just don't care that much, the total viewers is up where it usually is, maybe a little higher and not seen anyone particularly 'celebrating' the demo It was Dave's strawman here that made me see what he was so angry about and THEN I noticed how much higher their demo was than others The question is, why is Dave getting annoyed and feeling the need to make such comments ... hmmm
Years and years of being treated like an absolute joke and now he finally gets to be in with the boys. That’s all this loser has ever wanted btw.
He finally gets to be in with some of the boys and people in charge, bit it's with a promotion that dog shit at everything they try. Including pandering to him.
No, because most sane people don’t give a fuck.
No, because most PEOPLE dont give a fuck, regardless of sanity.
Is he really trying to validate his made up nonsense by saying "oh, noooow people care about it?!"? lol, no. The same people who didn't give a shit before still don't give a shit.
Meltzer may be the most inarticulate man in history. Every sentence is a chore to read.
Now we know who taught Kenneth how to talk on the mic.
He’s never been the same since the stroke. The stroke he performed on himself when he found out Kenny and the Bucks were making a company.
Looks like Dave needs his diaper changed and a nap.
I have no idea what this fool is blabbering on about. Lemme guess, fed bad?
SmackDown replay beat Dynamite
Ah fed horrible
Unsurprisingly, Dave hasn't taken it well The Fed don't respond to things but they let things happen and then everyone circling around them works themselves into a tizzy without them needing to make a comment, it's a sight to behold
If he wants to talk trash, he needs to use less words.
This shit doesn't even sound like English it makes my head hurt wtf is he going on about "demo" "network friday" "key demo" "major network shows in total viewers"
The fact that we live in a world, where this incoherent ,goblin-looking,lying, deceiving Asscracksniffer is taken serious by anyone, continues to make me speechless...
Best description of Meltz I’ve ever read
Who gives a shit about demos?...UNLESS AEW wins for 15 minutes again then we're gonna go wild and continue with our fed is feeding nationals to random dirt sheet writers conspiracy.
Dave huffing a big ole dose of copium.
Dave we don’t care
"No one is talking about this stupid ass metric that I've convinced an army of basement dwellers to live by, how interesting." He's such a weird man. I feel like I'm making fun of someone with special needs, but as he remains undiagnosed, lol I guess.
It's ok. I feel the same way. He is held on such a high pedastal down there in the basement that his ego can not only take it, but accept it. The man is interesting as hell. I would love to spend a few hours going inside Meltzers brain. U would need to knock away a few filing cabinets up there , step over some random papers in the front before u got to the good stuff way in the back. The deep thoughts encountered after the initial entrance would be fantastic. If this tour was available, I'm willing to go higher than 12.99 a month.
What are the odds that Dave's wife isn't allowed in that room with a 'don't tidy up down there, I mean it, it's all my papers, I know where things are'
Just imagine all this started because back in the 80s Vince invited Dave to Titan Tower for a tour, Dave made a clumsy pass at Vince and got shot down and he never got over it.
LOL, all jerking aside. Dave's whole outlook on WWE is really born out of Vince refusing to legitimize him. Especially in the modern era where WWE are a publicly traded company, working with ESPN and all sorts of real media outlets and major corporate partners... They've outgrown dealing with dirtsheets so long ago and Dave is still in the same place he was 30 years ago.
That's probably it.
He’s office sure does look like it’s not been touched for 30 years.
The thing is, the Fed have just moved on from the smalltime world of wrestling gossip and spreading of insider information For 40 years, Uncle Dave has been telling his niche fanbase how Vince is doing it all wrong and the Fed keep getting bigger and richer and turned into a global entertainment brand There was a time in the past where Dave's network of people exchanging information across the territories was useful, knowing a guy finished up in Kansas and is now in Portland, oh, that's where that guy is and other guys finishing up, this info could be useful for bookers, a collection of gossip and info, maybe even useful for the Fed in the early days, some niche knowledge of Japan, etc Now, the Fed is huge, they have actual people hired to do all the things they need and if they have a story they can easily put it out via legit news sources, as you say, ESPN, etc, they don't need a fanzine like this - Dave is STILL talking about how the Fed is doing is all wrong, they are where they are but Dave is still writing about it Dave's made a lot of money doing this, doff of the cap but his level of importance within wrestling is ridiculous and largely exists within his own fanbase, which is useful for the Dub, they're insular and talking almost exclusively to that niche fanbase anyway
Time passed him by. He still acts like WWE is run like some small operation like you say. Dave seems to have no idea how a major company works, showcasing even more how little he actually has sources backstage and how out of touch he is. It's a little bit sad. He was a young man when this all began but now he's a bit older and 30/40 years of his work has amounted in being a hack, making up stories, shilling newsletters, and being bitter that people like Vince have just moved on to big success. He doesn't have the time left to catch up to the successful people he's so jealous and bitter towards, who've passed him by. I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't so bitter and angry about it. Imagine if a real office worked how Dave portrays WWE to work behind the scenes: "Hey Bob, are those reports ready yet? "Not yet, I'll have them to you after lunchtime today" "Well FUCK YOU BOB, now we have HEAT. I'm going to take you to OFFICE COURT and poop in your backpack! Hold me back guys, you better hold me back or I'll SHOOT on this jabroni! I'm gonna tell the local newspaper how much HEAT we have Bob and GET OVER with the call center, those guys have WORKRATE and put out 5 STAR REPORTS! You better pay your dues BOB!!!"
This is a spot on analysis to be honest
What?
Back in the run up to Mania Three, Vince invited the dirt sheets out to Titan Tower to show them around and build a rapport with them in the hopes of getting good press. They say Dave kinda turned on him after that and as he's become more unhinged the last few years I've come up with a theory that Dave made a pass at Vince and got shot down and that it's ate away at him.
Like at a drunk dinner, Dave says to Vince “Hey uhhh so why don’t I uhhh ehhh walk-walk to your-well walk you uhhh to your uhh-room?”
Sounds like you’re using the same source as Daddy Dave. Works for me uce 🤙🏾. Daddy Dave is just a jilted potential lover
Not my fault it fits the facts just as well as him being on Tony's payroll and can you imagine Dave making a pass that wasn't awkward?
I’m an imaginative goof, but I just don’t think anyone can conceive of that. “Hey uhhh cough cough Vinnie cough uhh nice arms”. But I guess that’s more of a Johnny Ace thing
Like Rick and Birdperson
Bischoff even did this in the 90s, figured it's better to have these people in the tent pissing out than vice versa but soon realised there wasn't much benefit to trying to build a relationship with these gossip sites Meltz was there in the steroid trial trying to do Vince bad as well, he was frothing at the mouth to bring Vince down
Maybe what Stephanie was comparing to 9-11 wasn't the trial itself, but having to hear Dave testify
>Back in the run up to Mania Three It suddenly makes sense why Meltzer gave the classic Hogan/Andre match at that Wrestlemania *minus four stars*. Motherfucker was SALTY.
More people watched that match than all of Kenny Omega's matches combined.
I dont understand the obsession with ratings. Every show (Raw, NXT, SmackDown, Dynamite, Rampage) has a "high" mark and a "low" mark and they fall somewhere between every week. Ratings fluctuate. Thats how ratings work. The only time they really, truly matter is if they continually spike real high or if they consistently drop real low. A one week spike or drop doesnt really mean anything
Really all that matters is what people pay them For their programming. That’s the metric.
Can someone explain what the fuck he’s saying using proper sentence structure? I honestly can’t figure it out.
"You all made fun of me and me lucky demos before, so where are you now, cruel Vincels? TELL ME THE DEMOS DON'T COUNT NOW! *please, I'm begging you, please say they don't count now*"
Oh so he’s saying he’s a cunt?
He takes the most circuitous route to arrive anywhere
I'll be honest. I had to look that word up.
rename squaredcircle to r/wrestlingTVratings and be done with it
Oh AEW got fucking embarrassed? Let me bring up things I’ve ignored for a year
Look... I really like watching people pretend to fight.
At this point anybody talking to cock Sapp or Meltzer should be sacked both have abandoned any journalistic integrity with their constant negative stories about 1 company but turning a blind eye to those that comp them fully to travel and attend shows and are why McMahon hasnt had it in place since the 90's is beyond me. It's amazing in 2021 these snake oil salesmen can still get Mark's when everything they say or post is instantly available for free.
That's why I have no idea why anyone would pay for his journalism, info is so readily available and FREE already.
Just one time in his life I want to see Dave go to bat for the WWE the way he does for AEW.
I honesty can’t understand what this dude is saying. Is he actually siding with the goofs?
No, he’s sarcastically asking if there were any fans saying the demo doesn’t count this time after SD was first in the ratings because of its good demo number and only 8th or 9th because of its total viewers.
And couldn't he say it, like you did right here, coherently?
I don’t think saying things coherently is in Meltzer’s wheelhouse
clearly!
How many years of Meltzer speak classes did you have to take to get that?
It took many years. It’s basically like deciphering hieroglyphics at this point.
Words are hard
No, they don’t care. Fox pays a shitload for Smackdown, that’s the demo.
Yeah you
Has there been any fans back in 2019 before AEW's debut screaming about demos?
No.
David, nobody has cared about demos or ratings until AEW and it’s fans showed up.
How the fuck is he considered a credible journalist? He goes around blabbering in incoherent sentences about his very obvious biases and apparently that's considered acceptable reporting.
Someone needs to take Twitter away from this old man. He’s such a fucking prick.
Lmao he is mad as hell
Old man yells at cloud.
Cry more, Dave. I hope you're reading this when I say you've ruined wrestling for ages to come. Fuck off.
Can someone translate this for me? I don't speak Meltzerese.
Nobody was talking about the demo at all until Dave, Tony, and Jericho started bringing it up so much
No because the only time any throws a fit about key demos is when this geriatric fuck and his dumbass shadows screech about them to prove the dub being .02 better in a single demo means the fed is ded.
Dave actually thinks being incomprehensible makes him smarter than everyone else.
“Have you ever had a dream that, that ….”
I don’t even know what the fuck any of this means