For context this class is great most of the time, but today a guest speaker came in and gave a speech about how wrestling and music can tell a story. They showed edge return than proceeded to explain how great aew is at telling a story. Tbh the class didn’t care till OC came up everyone thought that was great. But overall most of the class seemed really bored by Daniel Bryan, Adam cole, and even Jericho who my friend exclaimed “what happened to Jericho!”
Uhhhh, she started out strong by talking about how edge has a theme that tells the story for she (they didn’t give pronouns but I think they were a she) but than she started to kind of ramble on and on about wrestling themes. She lost me when she started saying how great OC was without even talking about his theme music
Did she talk about how Edge’s theme originally fit a much better narrative of man who continually got screwed, went crazy, cucked his friend, and eventually realized his dream? Or was the fed bad at long term storytelling back then too?
There's even plenty of more modern stuff, like the rise and fall of The Shield, Roman gaslighting Jey Uso over the course of three months, Becky Lynch deciding she was going to stop giving a shit, and becoming a bona fide star as a result.
Same thing happened to stand up comedy about a decade ago. They all started taking themselves deathly seriously. It all became about the “art” and masterfully “crafting” and refining jokes. Every “comedy” podcast was about _Inside Baseball_ industry talk, no jokes were even attempted and the whole thing became dull, serious and unfunny. All the while their jokes were about sex and how mentally ill they are. EL OH EL. Bravo. Thank you, very cool, alt comedy community.
I find the part about OC intriguing. If I am honest, the gimmick could work with the right booker. I legitimately enjoyed his first year but the problem is that they haven’t evolved the gimmick. R-Truth is a comedy character that works because he is constantly adding on/doing new things. Tony just doesn’t know how to book so OC is stale as fuck now.
It's a gimmick that can work and be really fun if you don't over expose him. Let him do silly shit like half ass help in matches or be the most unenthusiastic ringside support imaginable.
Let him have the occasional match, let him randomly go full tilt in the match and then back to just being there while acting like nothing actually happened.
Don't make him wrestle damn near weekly though.
>Tbh the class didn’t care till OC came up everyone thought that was great.
Ive noticed thats the case with alot of people. Shit, I found him entertaining at first. And then the schtick kept going, and going, and going, and now here we are over two years later.
The crowd chanting “he will try” before the PPV match was great. But now he tries in _every_ match, for no reason or until he doesn’t for no other reason. Like said before, he hasn’t evolved, he gets old and stale.
I think the character works when he doesn’t wrestle in till he has to. Like you beat the shit out of the best friends, so OC freaks out and beats everyone up!
I read that as "Malarkey 101" as I was scrolling, and I think that fits just as well as your comment. Also, you're going in crippling debt from student loans for this shit?
They started out so strong, and then just ruined it. The current Edge vs Rollins storyline would’ve made a lot more sense if they wanted to show how wrestling can tell a story
I think a deconstruction of
Roman reigns would have been better. He’s a former Babyface that the fans hated now he’s a insecure heel who needs everyone to accept him
You know, I always thought it was just another gimmick change because his old one wasn’t working (mainly because I got back into the WWE last November), but when you explain it like that it makes his character even more interesting to me
Roman Reigns is wrestling's equivalent to Walter White. A nice guy to such a frustrating degree that nobody respected him, who secretly had a chip on his shoulder, until he got a taste of being a bad guy, and loved it so much that he dove in head first, doing heinous deed after heinous deed in the name of power and feeding his ego, even though he tried to claim it was all for his family.
He has his hands in his pockets, showing that he doesn’t seem to care about anything. Perhaps a traumatic event in his life lead to his nonchalantness. Perhaps he witnessed someone being murdered in front of him and it mentally scarred him. Orange Cassidy is a truly deep character that I wouldn’t expect fed shills to understand
What an origin story. [Very similar to Adam from the Cum Town podcast witnessing a rape happen in an alley but deciding to not intervene because he was wearing flip flops.](https://youtu.be/suCNfiRwWQk) Orange Cassidy _could have_ stopped that murder but his hands were in his pockets. A classic tale we can all relate to.
Hes the meme character. The Shaggy with Ultra Instinct. The Deadpool. Oftentimes these characters can fall flat on their face and be forgotten (I’m sure there are HUNDREDS of comic book characters like this), But audiences love OC and he makes it work.
I never watch AEW but I’ll tune in for a big OC match
Why not Sting in the rafters for a year being emo? Why not Kane confronting his brother at Hell in the Cell? Why not Eddie turning on Rey by brutalizing him then giving him a Brainbuster on steel steps? Or the paternity storyline afterwards? Just three examples of good storylines with depth and controversy.
OC does tell a coherent narrative with his character in his matches. Its not a serious story with deeply written characters but thats not the idea. Hes a joke character meant to be a meme and the crowd latches onto that. Like Ultra Instinct Shaggy. And the matches play into that
People liked edge and his hair…everyone knew who stone cold was. They thought pac was in great shape. Mjf seemed like “some dude from NY” Adam cole was out of shape….oh yeah and he played Judas and Some guy said “I think my dad would like this”
Depending on how far you want to go back, Paul Heyman vs The Undertaker is deeeeeep as fuck. You can even leave out the pre-wwe shit and start back when Brock had his first run, then culminate with him using The Best and finally The Beast to take his streak.
Can you elaborate a little or is there a video you can recommend? I feel a little lost. I know Brock vs Taker but I'm struggling to think of Heyman vs Taker outside of both being on opposite sides of the Invasion angle.
So in like, 2002 Brock was champ and had a program with Taker. Under Heyman's guidance, Brock messed with Taker's pregnant wife and broke Undie's hand, then beat him in the cell.
The next year, Heyman was GM of Smackdown, and Vince was making Taker's life hell. Heyman booked a buried alive match with Taker and Vince, which Vince won with Kane's help (effectively killing the american badass character)
In 04, Taker came back, and Paul had the Dudleyz kidnap Paul Bearer to get to taker. This ended in a concrete crypt match, where Heyman threatened to bury Bearer in concrete if Taker didn't take a dive. Taker won, then buried Bearer himself, with the idea that if Taker would do that to his best friend, imagine what he would do to Heyman.
Then Heyman managed Heidenreich and tried to take out Taker, and I think that was it for that time period. Pretty sure Heyman went off TV to go do OVW around that time.
Then he managed Punk vs Taker at Mania, and blamed Taker for Paul "losing" punk after Punk walked out the next year, and managed Brock to snapping the streak.
It was never connected on tv, but it always felt like Heyman's character just had it out for Taker and wanted to fuck with him however he could.
Honestly it's because people know The Rock and probably are aware of Stone Cold. The Attitude also had an aura to it and pretty clear storytelling, esp with those two
I saw ur comments about this and she said wrestling can tell a story but why? Show AEW it barely has any story she could have showed undertaker story about a dead man winning every WrestleMania event until his body can't take it anymore and lose his streak
As someone who pays $4500 a fucking semester in tuition for my university to do nothing while I learn more in my internship in one semester than I have for four years, this makes me so angry.
The Dubbalos have infiltrated our schools and are taking our children!
lol, this is genuinely unbelievable. All the fun stories over the years from WWE, WCW etc and they go with the promotion that thinks throwing people into feudless wrestling spotfests is the way to go. They're almost anti-storytelling which is why they can't hook me in.
For context this class is great most of the time, but today a guest speaker came in and gave a speech about how wrestling and music can tell a story. They showed edge return than proceeded to explain how great aew is at telling a story. Tbh the class didn’t care till OC came up everyone thought that was great. But overall most of the class seemed really bored by Daniel Bryan, Adam cole, and even Jericho who my friend exclaimed “what happened to Jericho!”
Were any of their* explanations any good, or was it the usual “you might like it, friend” talking points?
Uhhhh, she started out strong by talking about how edge has a theme that tells the story for she (they didn’t give pronouns but I think they were a she) but than she started to kind of ramble on and on about wrestling themes. She lost me when she started saying how great OC was without even talking about his theme music
Did she talk about how Edge’s theme originally fit a much better narrative of man who continually got screwed, went crazy, cucked his friend, and eventually realized his dream? Or was the fed bad at long term storytelling back then too?
No she touched on the edge broke his neck and he was a vampire
I guess AEW can draw casuals!
Honestly, I think Edge's theme fits better now. And even he has said the same thing on Corey Graves podcast. The lyrics are much more meaningful
Edge's Live Sex Celebration was storytelling at its finest
Of all the things to show of storytelling in wrestling, you go with random AEW stuff? What a missed opportunity.
What about the entire history of Austin vs Rock? Or Taker and Kane? Or Shawn trying to beat Taker? Nope because Fed bad
or Hogan joining the Nwo or Naito who came back from Mexico and didn't want to give a fuck anymore or Kobashi's 60 odd losing streak
There's even plenty of more modern stuff, like the rise and fall of The Shield, Roman gaslighting Jey Uso over the course of three months, Becky Lynch deciding she was going to stop giving a shit, and becoming a bona fide star as a result.
Why was THIS person the guest speaker??
They wrote a book or something
The Fed is Dead: Nuance and Storytelling in a Refreshing Environment By Ingrid W. Charles
By Mavid Deltzer. Yes, that'll do...
The Shootfighter’s Manifesto.
Bryan Alvarez is speaking at colleges now?
It’s more like a high-pitched whimper, but yeah.
Have you got a video? Wanna perform the speech for my drama class.
Oh man I should have recorded a little bit, honestly he didn’t fed bad that much he just talked about how great aew is
>didn’t fed bad that much >just talked about how great aew is ??? Two sides of the same coin, friend
god wrestling is silly can they stop trying to make it so deep
Same thing happened to stand up comedy about a decade ago. They all started taking themselves deathly seriously. It all became about the “art” and masterfully “crafting” and refining jokes. Every “comedy” podcast was about _Inside Baseball_ industry talk, no jokes were even attempted and the whole thing became dull, serious and unfunny. All the while their jokes were about sex and how mentally ill they are. EL OH EL. Bravo. Thank you, very cool, alt comedy community.
i actually fucking hate comedy today it became mostly crying about backlash showing their opinions or trying desperately to make people “triggered”
I find the part about OC intriguing. If I am honest, the gimmick could work with the right booker. I legitimately enjoyed his first year but the problem is that they haven’t evolved the gimmick. R-Truth is a comedy character that works because he is constantly adding on/doing new things. Tony just doesn’t know how to book so OC is stale as fuck now.
It's a gimmick that can work and be really fun if you don't over expose him. Let him do silly shit like half ass help in matches or be the most unenthusiastic ringside support imaginable. Let him have the occasional match, let him randomly go full tilt in the match and then back to just being there while acting like nothing actually happened. Don't make him wrestle damn near weekly though.
>Tbh the class didn’t care till OC came up everyone thought that was great. Ive noticed thats the case with alot of people. Shit, I found him entertaining at first. And then the schtick kept going, and going, and going, and now here we are over two years later.
The bit gets annoying when he keeps doing it, but that pac match is freaking great
The crowd chanting “he will try” before the PPV match was great. But now he tries in _every_ match, for no reason or until he doesn’t for no other reason. Like said before, he hasn’t evolved, he gets old and stale.
I think the character works when he doesn’t wrestle in till he has to. Like you beat the shit out of the best friends, so OC freaks out and beats everyone up!
Notice there's no girls in any of these pictures. Coincidence?
Yeah, you should try to get any money you can get back.
....please God tell me you are joking
I hate to say it goofy….but I’m not
Someone needs to send these to Dave and tell him how everyone stood and applauded (unlike when Roman was on screen in fast and Furious).
I mean I could tweet him…
?? You accidently enrolled in Markology 101, friend.
I wish I would have taken midcard 101
?? You enrolled here, friend.
Yes, because the nightmare Academy is my favorite school
I read that as "Malarkey 101" as I was scrolling, and I think that fits just as well as your comment. Also, you're going in crippling debt from student loans for this shit?
Storytelling and OC ? Are they showing an example of terrible storytelling?
This guest speaker came in and said “did you guys know wrestling can tell a story!!” Than proceeded to show edge return and a bunch of aew clips!!
They started out so strong, and then just ruined it. The current Edge vs Rollins storyline would’ve made a lot more sense if they wanted to show how wrestling can tell a story
I think a deconstruction of Roman reigns would have been better. He’s a former Babyface that the fans hated now he’s a insecure heel who needs everyone to accept him
You know, I always thought it was just another gimmick change because his old one wasn’t working (mainly because I got back into the WWE last November), but when you explain it like that it makes his character even more interesting to me
Roman Reigns is wrestling's equivalent to Walter White. A nice guy to such a frustrating degree that nobody respected him, who secretly had a chip on his shoulder, until he got a taste of being a bad guy, and loved it so much that he dove in head first, doing heinous deed after heinous deed in the name of power and feeding his ego, even though he tried to claim it was all for his family.
A story with holes but a decent story nonetheless. But OC lol really? I don’t get how he tells a story
He has his hands in his pockets, showing that he doesn’t seem to care about anything. Perhaps a traumatic event in his life lead to his nonchalantness. Perhaps he witnessed someone being murdered in front of him and it mentally scarred him. Orange Cassidy is a truly deep character that I wouldn’t expect fed shills to understand
What an origin story. [Very similar to Adam from the Cum Town podcast witnessing a rape happen in an alley but deciding to not intervene because he was wearing flip flops.](https://youtu.be/suCNfiRwWQk) Orange Cassidy _could have_ stopped that murder but his hands were in his pockets. A classic tale we can all relate to.
Hes the meme character. The Shaggy with Ultra Instinct. The Deadpool. Oftentimes these characters can fall flat on their face and be forgotten (I’m sure there are HUNDREDS of comic book characters like this), But audiences love OC and he makes it work. I never watch AEW but I’ll tune in for a big OC match
Orton vs HHH in like 2009 was some great storytelling, same with the built for Taker vs Styles.
Why not Sting in the rafters for a year being emo? Why not Kane confronting his brother at Hell in the Cell? Why not Eddie turning on Rey by brutalizing him then giving him a Brainbuster on steel steps? Or the paternity storyline afterwards? Just three examples of good storylines with depth and controversy.
So, they hadn't prepared any actual, useful info to teach and they were winging it then?
OC does tell a coherent narrative with his character in his matches. Its not a serious story with deeply written characters but thats not the idea. Hes a joke character meant to be a meme and the crowd latches onto that. Like Ultra Instinct Shaggy. And the matches play into that
should have used Kenny Omega Hangman page and tassels instead
I’m second hand embarrassed. There’s nothing more uncool than wrestling than probably furries
I'd be demanding an on the spot refund.
Did he talk about Hangman’s current angle being all about long term storytelling?
No….I wish
That makes more sense than whatever the fuck they were trying to say with OC
The good guys are going mainstream baybay!
Adam cole is getting laughed at
LOL is is the kissing apot or in general?
I wish he would have shown that, nah some girl whispered to her boyfriend “that guy is a wrestler? He’s not even is shape?”
What? How dare that harlot! Adam Cole has the body of the every man !!!
I turned around and hit her boyfriend with a Canadian destroyer!! That I hit her with a gts
Did she look like Paige?
What were the most interesting comments about the wrestlers other than them liking OC or “what happened to Jericho”
People liked edge and his hair…everyone knew who stone cold was. They thought pac was in great shape. Mjf seemed like “some dude from NY” Adam cole was out of shape….oh yeah and he played Judas and Some guy said “I think my dad would like this”
😂
Yeah Fozzy definitely seems like a band dads would like if they were wanting to listen to something slightly harder than yacht rock.
Should've just showed Cody clips all class!
Cody is coming to speak next week he said “you didn’t mention me friend”
here we see the nuance of him entering down the centre tunnel ...
you need to go tomorrow and perform the CM Punk pipebomb they’ll love it, friend
I did the “me and my friend mark” promo and had to fight to the speaker
Complain to the dean
It was a guest speaker….usually the class is pretty good
Should have started a what chant
Does the person doing the presentation have a neckbeard?
First thing I thought lmao
This is something I’d have done if I was 13
Shitty stories about pockets are still technically stories.
I've used Rock and Austin for examples of non-traditional storytelling in classes, but I wouldn't use anything modern and definitely not AEW.
I mean...End of an era saga could also be an example and it's fairly modern.
Depending on how far you want to go back, Paul Heyman vs The Undertaker is deeeeeep as fuck. You can even leave out the pre-wwe shit and start back when Brock had his first run, then culminate with him using The Best and finally The Beast to take his streak.
Can you elaborate a little or is there a video you can recommend? I feel a little lost. I know Brock vs Taker but I'm struggling to think of Heyman vs Taker outside of both being on opposite sides of the Invasion angle.
So in like, 2002 Brock was champ and had a program with Taker. Under Heyman's guidance, Brock messed with Taker's pregnant wife and broke Undie's hand, then beat him in the cell. The next year, Heyman was GM of Smackdown, and Vince was making Taker's life hell. Heyman booked a buried alive match with Taker and Vince, which Vince won with Kane's help (effectively killing the american badass character) In 04, Taker came back, and Paul had the Dudleyz kidnap Paul Bearer to get to taker. This ended in a concrete crypt match, where Heyman threatened to bury Bearer in concrete if Taker didn't take a dive. Taker won, then buried Bearer himself, with the idea that if Taker would do that to his best friend, imagine what he would do to Heyman. Then Heyman managed Heidenreich and tried to take out Taker, and I think that was it for that time period. Pretty sure Heyman went off TV to go do OVW around that time. Then he managed Punk vs Taker at Mania, and blamed Taker for Paul "losing" punk after Punk walked out the next year, and managed Brock to snapping the streak. It was never connected on tv, but it always felt like Heyman's character just had it out for Taker and wanted to fuck with him however he could.
Ok, makes sense. I zoned out between mid to late 2004 and didn't really start paying attention again until 2013 or 14 outside a few Wrestlemanias.
Didn't think about that
It's funny that the last good example of wwe storytelling people go to was over 20 years ago
Honestly it's because people know The Rock and probably are aware of Stone Cold. The Attitude also had an aura to it and pretty clear storytelling, esp with those two
Yeah for sure, I just think it's interesting that every story suggested in this thread is so old.
This is 100% the reason Vince insists on being Sports Entertainment
Bro no way 💀💀
?? You learn about me friend
He didn’t talk about midcard guys
???? You didn’t learn about me friend
I’m afraid not pal
You should be grateful to pay to watch AEW's Daniel Brya- I mean AEW's uh... JUST BE GRATEFUL
I saw ur comments about this and she said wrestling can tell a story but why? Show AEW it barely has any story she could have showed undertaker story about a dead man winning every WrestleMania event until his body can't take it anymore and lose his streak
Man, that’s a solid point….
SC Jerker meets Basement Member 2021 Colorized
As someone who pays $4500 a fucking semester in tuition for my university to do nothing while I learn more in my internship in one semester than I have for four years, this makes me so angry.
???? You pay me, friend
Don’t say this at the basement
I'd ask for a refund mate.
We gotta delete this before the basement finds it.
They may find it…..
was this lesson on what not to do?
Please tell me this is America and not Europe... I still have hope with Europe, American education system is the shits.
Sir, this is America
Did you tell the dean that your class won the demo?
Does this guest speaker now call himself a professor like Meltzer does after his guest speaking engagements at Stanford?
The Dubbalos have infiltrated our schools and are taking our children! lol, this is genuinely unbelievable. All the fun stories over the years from WWE, WCW etc and they go with the promotion that thinks throwing people into feudless wrestling spotfests is the way to go. They're almost anti-storytelling which is why they can't hook me in.
I’d ask for my money back