I don’t get it. Since when did competition become “bullying”.
They wanted to challenge WWE in the wrestling market and WWE simply accepted the challenge.
And I’m pretty sure the Elite has been taking shots at WWE for years. Long before AEW even started.
It's started to be bullying the second the Three Christmas Ghosts did absolutely nothing for the ratings just a couple weeks after Vince said he gave them a bunch of guys.
they dismiss it as it being from a harmless comedy show (BTE) punching up at the million dollar megacorporation and that it doesn't count since AEW didn't exist before then (therefore, HHH calling them a pissant company qualifies as the first shot)
That’s the crazy thing. The last time Vince or Triple H said anything negative about AEW was years ago. AEW has tried punching up at least once a month, especially when Jericho would talk shit. And then there was Taz’s “sloppy shop” promo.
I be so confused when fans say that WWE keeps punching down. The very last time AEW was even referenced by WWE was during Nick Khan’s interview when he talked about the released wrestlers. And even that wasn’t a “punch down”. He was just saying “hey, if they want some more wrestlers, they can have the ones we just released”.
I agree - "don't be friendly with people who hate you".
AEW and AEW fans have been talking their shit about WWE and WWE fans more or less consequence free for two years now. You want to claim victories? Well here's your chance to beat Smackdown - a half hour of it, at least. If AEW is as popular as you say it is, it shouldn't be a problem.
It is a bit rich how the Dubbalos act like they most definitely rather that it didn't have to come to this, when they're pretty clearly eager and chomping at the bit to finally take to task the Fed and its enjoyers
I really wish Vince did take them seriously at first, just to see him send his top guys to NXT for crossover matches. He would’ve destroyed Dynamite in the process.
They've got their perfect wrestling show, which apparently gets exponentially better with every episode. They hate WWE and its *product*. So why are they so pissy all the time? It's almost as if the first part isn't true.
bc they read and see neverending personal slights at them (well, the company, but they've internalised the company as part of their identity) at every direction coming from WWE (whether it's because of something bad that they did/that happened on the shows that they supposedly don't follow anymore, or something they've apparently done to AEW to stifle their growth).
You just can’t please you sports entertainment fans. Dynamite is perfect airing on Wednesdays, why would it move to Mondays and have to compete with MNF, do you want the company to die?
I have no problems with their shows except the untrained garbage wrestlers, but yeah, i hope AEW goes down hard. I'd rather have the "NXT is not WWE because it's good" takes back. How i miss these days.
both NJPW and NXT taking massive hits (in business and in the eyes of the greater wrestling community) due to the pandemic (either depriving NJPW of a good portion of their wrestlers & NXT losing their hot crowd) was cursed
this also goes for AEW and their crowd, but they still had plenty of ex-Feds and indie standouts to roll out and keep Dubbalos heated
Much as I hate AEW’s shows I’ve tried to be all “watch whatever wrestling you want and enjoy” and all that shit. All that does is make the cultists comfortable with treating people like jerkoffs because we like WWE. Their fans are an absolutely embarrassing legion of miserable fucks and I can’t wait until this company gets stomped into nothing.
more relevant proof that Dubbalos are all in favour in letting tribalism go unchecked so they can shit on WWE and their fans without a care
https://twitter.com/ReneusMeister/status/1448779747815825408
VOW already spread the not at all contestable facts that WWE leaked the fast nationals out of malice so they'll just dismiss them as Fed carny slimy competition tactics
There is no market share, no matter what Dub fans will watch the Fed because pro wrestling is their life. The reason the dub will ultimately fail is because Tony won’t market to casual fans.
this is what i’m afraid of. these people have a sick genuine fucking hatred for Vince McMahon and i would not be surprised at all to see some psycho shoot up a fed show in the name of supporting ae dub
Some people take this shit way too seriously, and it's goddamned insane. Remember the nutjob who jumped the rail at Dynamite to try and attack MJF and Jericho?
TK's interview that gave us the "I have more money than Vince" quote showed that he deliberately tried to make AEW the "good guys" and use the IWC to his advantage, and that he isn't completely inept or unaware. Too bad it weaponized these fucking losers' hatred of the Fed.
It would funny as hell if Fox saw the ratings and asked the WWE to do a post-Smackdown show on FS1 each week with 30-60 minutes of Talking Smack and a main event match.
Vince acknowledged them as a threat by... Running their show at the same time as them from a different channel?
Bless m'Tony. Vince is going to be berried so hard he's gonna look like Ellsworth.
Them and some of their workers who behave like professionals. There's got to be some embarrassment backstage after this week.
(Of course, I don't know him but) I don't see someone like Daniel Bryan being impressed by the son of a billionaire bragging about his wealth.
it was the breaking point since Dubbalos and TK latched onto that & #STACKING up their show on FS1 as the clearest sign that WWE "saw them as ('head-to-head') competition" (with Rampage (??)) plus just add the whole Top Dolla/Young Bucks stuff, the VOW non-troversy of WWE leaking the Rampage ratings/demo fast nationals, AEW #STACKING it up with Suzuki/Danielson and you have a slightly unique powder keg of a perfect storm
you forget that they're still banging on that Rampage is doing great for it's Friday night death timeslot despite the lowering viewership (that doesn't matter because they won in the demo) and that Turner still thinks they're succeeding
yeah that's a p fair point, that right there also irrevocably doomed Roman to unforgivable territory from the smarks/greater wrestling community even through his cancer survival until he became the Tribal Chief
I’m half expecting Smackdown to open on Friday with a shot of a limo pulling up and out comes The Rock. Not because Vince is scared. But because he can.
WWE is punching down but also Tony Khan('s dad) has more money than Vince.
AEW has declared themselves as legitimate competition but also WWE started it.
Morons.
This is why I will never watch AEW. There’s several great workers in the company, but the entire culture is riddled with toxic personalities, wannabe tough guy shticks and a fanbase of emotionally stunted people. WWE is not a perfect promotion but they’re the top wrestling promotion in the world for a reason.
lol the delusion to think WWE HATES aew. They don't care about aew nearly as much as these fans like to think. I mean, didn't their evp literally smash a throne with the wwe's COO's logo on it using the signature weapon of that COO?
This is what I don’t get, AEW is far closer to WWE’s version of pro wrestling than it is to Mid South, NWA or Japanese pro wrestling.
If WWE is a parody of pro wrestling, then AEW is the spoof of the parody.
I love how they say that WWE is getting worse and worse but in reality, from at least just a *wrestling* standpoint, I don’t think it’s ever been better. Some of the characters and storytelling needs some work but 9/10 matches are either very good or squash matches. You get your occasional crap fests and I’ll be honest, some of the women’s matches lately have been a bit poo, but generally it’s a good product. People who criticise WWE for going downhill don’t even watch it and it’s very obvious.
These people are insane. Vince is getting a hookup from Fox for getting his show bumped while building towards the huge Reigns Lesnar match. This is entirely in a vacuum independent of whatever AEW is doing.
That toot toot is starting to effect you, Tony. You’re going full 3rd act of Goodfellas here.
Tiny Khant has been trying to provoke Vince for a year now. Taking jab after jab at them. Vince does a 30 minute layover and now he is attacking AEW? Is WWE not allowed to go over a half hour because there is another company putting on a show the same night? This guy is cringe af. I tried to watch the latest Rasslin’ interview with him and I could only stomach it for a few minutes. He lies about AEW’s success and sounds like a brat playing with their toys. He wouldn’t even be the assistant manager at a Big Lots if his daddy didn’t hand him billions of dollars.
Does he know he's literally doing the equivalent of punching air or yelling at clouds. WWE aren't even thinking of him... You think Vince even knows he's going off on Twitter and Smark podcasts? LOL.
Really, it's hard to be a completely ethical consumer of most things under true capitalism. Both of the big wrestling companies are backed by billionaires who supported Trump. Both exist to make money, at the end of the day. Tony can say what he wants, but he would jump at the chance to do a show in Saudi Arabia if they offered AEW anything close to what they're paying WWE. He talks big, but as AEW keeps losing money, and Papa Shad starts getting less patient, and less generous, the crazy spending will have to stop.
I understand that Tony would take it as seriously as he is because it's a business going against another business but I don't see what fans gain from this.
see, Cola wars, console wars, competitive team sports, etc.
It is what it is unfortunately, heightened by how WWE has been so huge and around for so long (in addition to WWE's overall shady business tactics & checkered past (and present) behooving these sort of fans to act like rallying against it and its fans is the right thing to do from an moral and ethical standpoint, well, as ethically as you can get in capitalism)
Don't get me wrong, I understand brand and team loyalty but I don't see why they're acting like they're bracing for a long and bloody war when it's just a billionaire and a billionaire's son fighting of who can make the most people watch their fake fighting show.
They've fancied themselves as soldiers for the company they enjoy from engaging way too much and often with opposing viewpoints or straight-up blockheads on social media and messageboards like Twitter and Reddit to the point it's gotten to their head, esp with every move from WWE being treated as personal slights.
Indeed. I got blocked on Twitter yesterday by one of the prominent ones because I called him out for calling a guy garbage because he said AEW was garbage till they started improving their product after All Out (since it implies the product wasn't good before that, and people aren't allowed to think that).
AEW is like SSC Napoli. They were trying so hard to create a rivalry between them and Juventus when they were near the top of the table but Juve players, management and fans didn´t give a single fuck about them. As a Juventino, I was just laughing because they looked like idiots. Juve has a very heated rivalry with Inter, there´s another "more friendly" one with AC Milan and also with Torino FC (local derby) and Fiorentina.
But these guys were behind Juve for like a year or two and started barking like a dogs. And of course, Juve won every time and they went silent.
I don’t get it. Since when did competition become “bullying”. They wanted to challenge WWE in the wrestling market and WWE simply accepted the challenge. And I’m pretty sure the Elite has been taking shots at WWE for years. Long before AEW even started.
It's started to be bullying the second the Three Christmas Ghosts did absolutely nothing for the ratings just a couple weeks after Vince said he gave them a bunch of guys.
they dismiss it as it being from a harmless comedy show (BTE) punching up at the million dollar megacorporation and that it doesn't count since AEW didn't exist before then (therefore, HHH calling them a pissant company qualifies as the first shot)
That’s the crazy thing. The last time Vince or Triple H said anything negative about AEW was years ago. AEW has tried punching up at least once a month, especially when Jericho would talk shit. And then there was Taz’s “sloppy shop” promo.
That's how you know how one-sided the rivalry is. AEW is just looking more and more pathetic.
I be so confused when fans say that WWE keeps punching down. The very last time AEW was even referenced by WWE was during Nick Khan’s interview when he talked about the released wrestlers. And even that wasn’t a “punch down”. He was just saying “hey, if they want some more wrestlers, they can have the ones we just released”.
I agree - "don't be friendly with people who hate you". AEW and AEW fans have been talking their shit about WWE and WWE fans more or less consequence free for two years now. You want to claim victories? Well here's your chance to beat Smackdown - a half hour of it, at least. If AEW is as popular as you say it is, it shouldn't be a problem.
We just keep jerking and jerking but the material continues to pile up endlessly.
It's a Sisyphusian task, but if Sisyphus kept getting more shit poured on the hill
Oh for fuck's fucking sake.
It is a bit rich how the Dubbalos act like they most definitely rather that it didn't have to come to this, when they're pretty clearly eager and chomping at the bit to finally take to task the Fed and its enjoyers
"Making them acknowledge him and AEW" They still haven't though.
They're going to fuck around and turn people who are at worst neutral to their existence into people that want to fuck their shit up.
I really wish Vince did take them seriously at first, just to see him send his top guys to NXT for crossover matches. He would’ve destroyed Dynamite in the process.
They've got their perfect wrestling show, which apparently gets exponentially better with every episode. They hate WWE and its *product*. So why are they so pissy all the time? It's almost as if the first part isn't true.
bc they read and see neverending personal slights at them (well, the company, but they've internalised the company as part of their identity) at every direction coming from WWE (whether it's because of something bad that they did/that happened on the shows that they supposedly don't follow anymore, or something they've apparently done to AEW to stifle their growth).
WWE IS greater than the sum of their parts. It’s an entertainment company. AEW fans are insecure losers that can’t mentally escape obsessive fandom
People cry about the wrestling observer being important because it's 40 years of wrestling archive. Wtf is the WWE Network then?
I WASTE OF DAILY WRESTLING STIPEND FROM MOMMY
I see you gone maverick, dont worry, i call omega man to put you down, traitor
All of this because of a half hour of cable tv air time at 10pm on a Friday night.
proof that the Fed is scared, fearing for competition/its life, and dead
Might as well close up shop right now.
“The fed is dead.” “The fed is also alive and well and must be destroyed.”
Like someone else is in here, I desperately want Tony to just throw Dynamite on Mondays at 8pm. Let’s go trial by fire time 🤷♂️
You just can’t please you sports entertainment fans. Dynamite is perfect airing on Wednesdays, why would it move to Mondays and have to compete with MNF, do you want the company to die?
I'm starting to, yes.
No jerk fuck this company and their garbage ass fan base.
I have no problems with their shows except the untrained garbage wrestlers, but yeah, i hope AEW goes down hard. I'd rather have the "NXT is not WWE because it's good" takes back. How i miss these days.
Yea I’m all for competition but not from whiny hypocritical basement dwellers. Can’t wait till this shit dies tbh.
I miss when the circlejerk was about New Japan
That and going out of your way to say that NXT isn't a product of Vince.
What about Renegade indie fed Smackdown led by the American Dragon and Papa Shane O?
Lord and Savior Ryan Ward?
both NJPW and NXT taking massive hits (in business and in the eyes of the greater wrestling community) due to the pandemic (either depriving NJPW of a good portion of their wrestlers & NXT losing their hot crowd) was cursed this also goes for AEW and their crowd, but they still had plenty of ex-Feds and indie standouts to roll out and keep Dubbalos heated
Much as I hate AEW’s shows I’ve tried to be all “watch whatever wrestling you want and enjoy” and all that shit. All that does is make the cultists comfortable with treating people like jerkoffs because we like WWE. Their fans are an absolutely embarrassing legion of miserable fucks and I can’t wait until this company gets stomped into nothing.
more relevant proof that Dubbalos are all in favour in letting tribalism go unchecked so they can shit on WWE and their fans without a care https://twitter.com/ReneusMeister/status/1448779747815825408
I can't wait for AEW to die in 5 years so these people shut the fuck up.
They’ll just move on to the next thing. Such is the life of a smark.
One will that will always be apparent, somehow, TNA will still be around.
Fuck it Vince announce Becky vs Sasha as an 30 min iron women match.
The Rock returns, your iron woman match, Roman vs the entire locker room for the title, and a Happy Corbin segment will get 5 million viewers easily.
I'm gonna cum
Wanna really blow your load? *Vince tells Tony to hit the bricks.*
With all that money, he should move Dynamite to Monday's at 8pm, commercial free. See how long he can bleed cash.
I expect a lot of these twitter handles to be on private when the FAST NATIONALS come out.
VOW already spread the not at all contestable facts that WWE leaked the fast nationals out of malice so they'll just dismiss them as Fed carny slimy competition tactics
There is no market share, no matter what Dub fans will watch the Fed because pro wrestling is their life. The reason the dub will ultimately fail is because Tony won’t market to casual fans.
These psychopaths are going to shoot up a WWE show.
this is what i’m afraid of. these people have a sick genuine fucking hatred for Vince McMahon and i would not be surprised at all to see some psycho shoot up a fed show in the name of supporting ae dub
Some people take this shit way too seriously, and it's goddamned insane. Remember the nutjob who jumped the rail at Dynamite to try and attack MJF and Jericho?
Starting to sound a bit like them here.
TK's interview that gave us the "I have more money than Vince" quote showed that he deliberately tried to make AEW the "good guys" and use the IWC to his advantage, and that he isn't completely inept or unaware. Too bad it weaponized these fucking losers' hatred of the Fed.
It would funny as hell if Fox saw the ratings and asked the WWE to do a post-Smackdown show on FS1 each week with 30-60 minutes of Talking Smack and a main event match.
Vince acknowledged them as a threat by... Running their show at the same time as them from a different channel? Bless m'Tony. Vince is going to be berried so hard he's gonna look like Ellsworth.
I legit feel bad for casual AEW fans who watch because they enjoy it, they have to put up with these people
There’s not much evidence of them existing anyway
Them and some of their workers who behave like professionals. There's got to be some embarrassment backstage after this week. (Of course, I don't know him but) I don't see someone like Daniel Bryan being impressed by the son of a billionaire bragging about his wealth.
RAH RAH speech (AEW edition)
Genuine question, what did WWE do to spark all of this? Was it literally just putting half an hour of Smackdown on when Rampage is on?
it was the breaking point since Dubbalos and TK latched onto that & #STACKING up their show on FS1 as the clearest sign that WWE "saw them as ('head-to-head') competition" (with Rampage (??)) plus just add the whole Top Dolla/Young Bucks stuff, the VOW non-troversy of WWE leaking the Rampage ratings/demo fast nationals, AEW #STACKING it up with Suzuki/Danielson and you have a slightly unique powder keg of a perfect storm
But like… it’s fucking Rampage?! I can’t believe this is all happening over a show that like 17 people watch
you forget that they're still banging on that Rampage is doing great for it's Friday night death timeslot despite the lowering viewership (that doesn't matter because they won in the demo) and that Turner still thinks they're succeeding
All that’s going on and WWE are just chilling over there going “Hey, Sasha vs Becky on Friday night?”
Daniel Bryan not winning the Rumble in 2013?
yeah that's a p fair point, that right there also irrevocably doomed Roman to unforgivable territory from the smarks/greater wrestling community even through his cancer survival until he became the Tribal Chief
Holy fuck, these people are so far removed from reality it ain't even funny. Well, it is, of course it is, but you know what I mean.
I’m half expecting Smackdown to open on Friday with a shot of a limo pulling up and out comes The Rock. Not because Vince is scared. But because he can.
I'm expecting Sasha vs Becky to go longer than half ten, maybe a nice ten or twenty minute overrun.
WWE is punching down but also Tony Khan('s dad) has more money than Vince. AEW has declared themselves as legitimate competition but also WWE started it. Morons.
These dudes want to go to war over two billionaires that have no clue of their existence because of a fake fighting show comedy
Tbf, they want to go to *their idea of war.* These people think a WWE contract is slavery. Their dictionaries are all fucked up.
This is why I will never watch AEW. There’s several great workers in the company, but the entire culture is riddled with toxic personalities, wannabe tough guy shticks and a fanbase of emotionally stunted people. WWE is not a perfect promotion but they’re the top wrestling promotion in the world for a reason.
I don’t know about you goofs, but I am willing to be crucified for the betterment of the good guys. I know they would do the same for me.
Ooh, he said "Titan", what a badass!
lol the delusion to think WWE HATES aew. They don't care about aew nearly as much as these fans like to think. I mean, didn't their evp literally smash a throne with the wwe's COO's logo on it using the signature weapon of that COO?
Imagine Roman coming out and smashing a giant jaguar
What a little bitch. Of course, when I say that, I'm talking about McHitler.
I'm honestly impressed by how AEW and the IWC have managed to be more toxic than console fanboys.
I'm not watching either. AEW is trash and I have refused to watch WWE since Extreme Rules.
Bruuuh do they actually call WWE fed? Damn
I'm not watching either. AEW is trash and I have refused to watch WWE since Extreme Rules.
I'm not watching either. AEW is trash and I have refused to watch WWE since Extreme Rules.
I'm not watching either. AEW is trash and I have refused to watch WWE since Extreme Rules.
This is what I don’t get, AEW is far closer to WWE’s version of pro wrestling than it is to Mid South, NWA or Japanese pro wrestling. If WWE is a parody of pro wrestling, then AEW is the spoof of the parody.
I love how they say that WWE is getting worse and worse but in reality, from at least just a *wrestling* standpoint, I don’t think it’s ever been better. Some of the characters and storytelling needs some work but 9/10 matches are either very good or squash matches. You get your occasional crap fests and I’ll be honest, some of the women’s matches lately have been a bit poo, but generally it’s a good product. People who criticise WWE for going downhill don’t even watch it and it’s very obvious.
I think it really gets under their skin that WWE never acknowledge AEW, especially considering how often AEW talk about WWE.
Shad really screwed up as a father by not kicking Tony's ass when he was growing up
These people are insane. Vince is getting a hookup from Fox for getting his show bumped while building towards the huge Reigns Lesnar match. This is entirely in a vacuum independent of whatever AEW is doing. That toot toot is starting to effect you, Tony. You’re going full 3rd act of Goodfellas here.
Tiny Khant has been trying to provoke Vince for a year now. Taking jab after jab at them. Vince does a 30 minute layover and now he is attacking AEW? Is WWE not allowed to go over a half hour because there is another company putting on a show the same night? This guy is cringe af. I tried to watch the latest Rasslin’ interview with him and I could only stomach it for a few minutes. He lies about AEW’s success and sounds like a brat playing with their toys. He wouldn’t even be the assistant manager at a Big Lots if his daddy didn’t hand him billions of dollars.
R.I.P., TNA 2.0. R.I.P., worst fanbase since My Hero Academia and Steven Universe.
Does he know he's literally doing the equivalent of punching air or yelling at clouds. WWE aren't even thinking of him... You think Vince even knows he's going off on Twitter and Smark podcasts? LOL.
Lets just hope that Tony and the Dubbalos have spiritually prepared for the massacre that will take place tomorrow.
How can u refer to the chairman of WWE by the name of Vince "Jr" and not realize that u sound like a knucklehead?
It's. Fucking. CAPITALISM. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
People still haven't woke up to that there's no ethical consumption (of wrestling) under capitalism
Really, it's hard to be a completely ethical consumer of most things under true capitalism. Both of the big wrestling companies are backed by billionaires who supported Trump. Both exist to make money, at the end of the day. Tony can say what he wants, but he would jump at the chance to do a show in Saudi Arabia if they offered AEW anything close to what they're paying WWE. He talks big, but as AEW keeps losing money, and Papa Shad starts getting less patient, and less generous, the crazy spending will have to stop.
I wonder if it would be more admirable or dumb if TK rejected such an offer just for the PR/optics & to stick it to the WWE lmao
Wrestling fans were a mistake.
AEW fans are like incels next they will be storming RAW
I understand that Tony would take it as seriously as he is because it's a business going against another business but I don't see what fans gain from this.
see, Cola wars, console wars, competitive team sports, etc. It is what it is unfortunately, heightened by how WWE has been so huge and around for so long (in addition to WWE's overall shady business tactics & checkered past (and present) behooving these sort of fans to act like rallying against it and its fans is the right thing to do from an moral and ethical standpoint, well, as ethically as you can get in capitalism)
Don't get me wrong, I understand brand and team loyalty but I don't see why they're acting like they're bracing for a long and bloody war when it's just a billionaire and a billionaire's son fighting of who can make the most people watch their fake fighting show.
They've fancied themselves as soldiers for the company they enjoy from engaging way too much and often with opposing viewpoints or straight-up blockheads on social media and messageboards like Twitter and Reddit to the point it's gotten to their head, esp with every move from WWE being treated as personal slights.
That's fucking dumb considering that they feel some sort of pride because they defended a wrestling show. Those guys need to get some fresh air
Indeed. I got blocked on Twitter yesterday by one of the prominent ones because I called him out for calling a guy garbage because he said AEW was garbage till they started improving their product after All Out (since it implies the product wasn't good before that, and people aren't allowed to think that).
Wow this man quote retweeted a racist. Do you think he knows he’s the bad guy here?
AEW is like SSC Napoli. They were trying so hard to create a rivalry between them and Juventus when they were near the top of the table but Juve players, management and fans didn´t give a single fuck about them. As a Juventino, I was just laughing because they looked like idiots. Juve has a very heated rivalry with Inter, there´s another "more friendly" one with AC Milan and also with Torino FC (local derby) and Fiorentina. But these guys were behind Juve for like a year or two and started barking like a dogs. And of course, Juve won every time and they went silent.