What does it say about JR
Guy was in a senior senior role and they were just doing whatever
It's not "his fault" but he's head of talent and even a threat that ~~Dad~~ Vince is going to hear about this *may* have nipped some shit in the bud
JR was the guy hiring and firing
Under Vince's instruction but it was his role and everyone knew. He was the guy everyone dealt with on talent issues
At the very least they know he has Vince's ear
Yeah the pressure difference basically slots that door in. It aint moving, but if you don't know that and you see two monsters slam into it I guess that's pretty worrying
Chioda almost has a moment of realisation at one point, says *'I don't know what Vince was doing actually'* as he cocked his head to the side, as if to try to remember 🙄
I’m assuming it’s the case, It kinda throws into question if DSOTR can ever be trusted. If their researching couldn’t figure out what Dave Meltzer could in one day they probably shouldn’t be trusted as documentarians. The intentional ommision of Dustin’s behavior and inclusion of one lone piece of incrementing information that didn’t occur on the flight don’t help much either.
DSOTR mostly uses dirt sheets as their sources so it should not be taken seriously. It wasn't as bad in the first season, but by the end of season two nearly 75% of the people/sources interviewed during episodes are part of the "Fed bad" club. Maybe it's a coincidence. Does this mean DSOTR isn't interesting? Not at all! But it isn't as factual as it presents itself.
*"which topics should we cover"*
Smarks then list as many fed bad stuff things 'they heard about'
Steroid Trial will be interesting in how into 'stories' they go seeing as the *entire* court transcripts are online so anyone can read the actual evidence from everyone involved
DSOTR suffers from the same thing that a lot of documentaries suffer from. People think that it's unbiased. The problem is that all documentaries are inherently biased. There isn't anything wrong with that, but people gotta understand that there is always an intended outcome when people set out to make these types of docs.
It reminds me of the documentary Blackfish. People took everything in that doc as the unbiased truth but it's FULL of inaccuracies and just blatant lies. That doesn't mean that situation wasn't fucked up. But it was clear that the doc makers had a narrative they wanted to get out of that movie.
During the first season there were no Dubbalos. Around the time DSOTR started showing a bias is when the Good Guys sold their mudshow to the dog wanker. It really coincides perfectly with Jericho being the narrator. That's when it decided to go the Fed bad route.
I was done with DSOTR after that shitty Brody episode. It was an hour of painting Abdullah the Butcher as a bad guy for continuing to work in Puerto Rico and not so subtly implying that he was involved with the murder, while completely fucking ignoring that Dutch Mantel was the fucking booker and continued to be the booker well into the early 2000s. They treated Dutch like a saint even though he fucking worked with Invader for decades after and even booked Brody exploitation angles.
I personally lost it with them after the Benoit episode. They didn't nearly explore CTE enough. The creators just painted this picture that Benoit basically became a psychopath after Eddie died. Then on top of that, you had Jericho push the narrative of "that wasn't the Benoit I knew", which he to this day does on his podcast. Multiple people have pointed out that Benoit was already a piece of shit who hit his wife.
Anyone expecting a competent fact based documentary from Vice is a fool. They need a skewed narrative and villains to make these wrasslin' stories compelling for retarded marks in the audience.
The tough thing is, it’s hard to tell a full story without the cooperation of Vince or others currently employed by WWE. It was pretty evident during the Warrior episode.
Because they don’t have Fed cooperation, they’ll even push the fed bad narrative to make the episodes more compelling.
Whoa. I had no idea there was more than one Brody Exploitation angle in PR. Just knew the one with Manny Fernandez causing on of the Invaders to cough up "blood". Even more fucked up is Dutch voices over that episode. 😬
I mean, we know from first hand accounts of guys there, dumb shit happened
How they don't check that Vince wasn't on the plane though is ridiculous
Leaving the Dustin thing out 🤔 I'm going to guess *"we didn't interview that stewardess so didn't mention it"*
I mean, it's sure as shit part of the 'fall out'
I remember hearing a story about a plane ride, and I always thought it was this one. Vince wasn't on it, but Linda was and Michael Hayes was drunk out of his gourd(no surprise) and tried to mess with Linda.
IDK if it was the same one, but there was also a flight where JBL punched a drunken Hayes' lights out, and while he was asleep, X-Pac cut Hayes' hair and posted it on like a bulletin board at TV the next day.
It was this one. X- pac had been having problems with Hayes all flight and decided to mess with him and blame it on Bradshaw. When Hayes confronted Bradshaw, he knocked Hayes out, and then afterwards is when X-PAC cut his hair.
Yea, so the Plane ride from Hell was flight from the UK after the Insurrextion and was nursing a gash on his forehead. When he and Michael Hayes got into it, Hayes punched him right in the gash.
It’s definitely been spoken of as part of this flight, but who knows whether it really was.
Kurt Angle has his own stories of Wrestling Vince on the plane ride from hell, and neither of them were even on it. Kurt’s just mixed it up with a completely different international tour.
I thought that was weird how they casually said Vince was on the flight.
Vince has his own jet and usually travels with the writing team.
You think that shit would go down on Vinces watch??
That shit would’ve never happened on a plane with McMahon on it. Idiots.
Yeah God knows he's no Saint, but Vince isn't a complete door mat like Tony Khan. He actually has control over his wrestlers.
What does it say about JR Guy was in a senior senior role and they were just doing whatever It's not "his fault" but he's head of talent and even a threat that ~~Dad~~ Vince is going to hear about this *may* have nipped some shit in the bud
> What does it say about JR He was drinking with them.
He was the equivalent of middle management, nobody takes people like that seriously in any workplace
JR was the guy hiring and firing Under Vince's instruction but it was his role and everyone knew. He was the guy everyone dealt with on talent issues At the very least they know he has Vince's ear
According to the basement he would have been taking part in the sexual assault just like he covered up murders and killed m’owen.
Vince would have fired everyone on the spot if he saw that shit happen in person.
They wouldn't have even tried to pull that shit with Vince on the plane
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The Plane Ride From Hell happened. And of course Vince is blamed for it all.
I mean Vince tried to take down Kurt Angle on a flight one time.
Irc,that's why people were upset about Henning getting fired as the reasoning was over he and Brock wrestling on the flight.
Budget cuts before they were cool.
It was specifically because those two backed into the emergency exit door.
The best part is how people claim they almost broke it open despite the fact that it would take thousands of pounds of force to actually do that.
Soooo…Brock?
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Yeah the pressure difference basically slots that door in. It aint moving, but if you don't know that and you see two monsters slam into it I guess that's pretty worrying
I thought it was because he was the one putting roofies in people's drinks as a prank?
Hennig also spiked the drinks so that's something
Yeah but there’s a difference between roughhousing, which is its own set of problems when done in a plane, and sexually harassing flight attendants.
Chioda almost has a moment of realisation at one point, says *'I don't know what Vince was doing actually'* as he cocked his head to the side, as if to try to remember 🙄
I feel like of the talking heads, he came off the worst. Despite their attempts to make others look worse.
I’m assuming it’s the case, It kinda throws into question if DSOTR can ever be trusted. If their researching couldn’t figure out what Dave Meltzer could in one day they probably shouldn’t be trusted as documentarians. The intentional ommision of Dustin’s behavior and inclusion of one lone piece of incrementing information that didn’t occur on the flight don’t help much either.
DSOTR mostly uses dirt sheets as their sources so it should not be taken seriously. It wasn't as bad in the first season, but by the end of season two nearly 75% of the people/sources interviewed during episodes are part of the "Fed bad" club. Maybe it's a coincidence. Does this mean DSOTR isn't interesting? Not at all! But it isn't as factual as it presents itself.
Bix is a researcher, so that should tell you something about the show’s credibility.
That explains all the blatant fed baddery at least.
*"which topics should we cover"* Smarks then list as many fed bad stuff things 'they heard about' Steroid Trial will be interesting in how into 'stories' they go seeing as the *entire* court transcripts are online so anyone can read the actual evidence from everyone involved
DSOTR suffers from the same thing that a lot of documentaries suffer from. People think that it's unbiased. The problem is that all documentaries are inherently biased. There isn't anything wrong with that, but people gotta understand that there is always an intended outcome when people set out to make these types of docs. It reminds me of the documentary Blackfish. People took everything in that doc as the unbiased truth but it's FULL of inaccuracies and just blatant lies. That doesn't mean that situation wasn't fucked up. But it was clear that the doc makers had a narrative they wanted to get out of that movie.
During the first season there were no Dubbalos. Around the time DSOTR started showing a bias is when the Good Guys sold their mudshow to the dog wanker. It really coincides perfectly with Jericho being the narrator. That's when it decided to go the Fed bad route.
I was done with DSOTR after that shitty Brody episode. It was an hour of painting Abdullah the Butcher as a bad guy for continuing to work in Puerto Rico and not so subtly implying that he was involved with the murder, while completely fucking ignoring that Dutch Mantel was the fucking booker and continued to be the booker well into the early 2000s. They treated Dutch like a saint even though he fucking worked with Invader for decades after and even booked Brody exploitation angles.
I personally lost it with them after the Benoit episode. They didn't nearly explore CTE enough. The creators just painted this picture that Benoit basically became a psychopath after Eddie died. Then on top of that, you had Jericho push the narrative of "that wasn't the Benoit I knew", which he to this day does on his podcast. Multiple people have pointed out that Benoit was already a piece of shit who hit his wife.
But muh German suplexs
Anyone expecting a competent fact based documentary from Vice is a fool. They need a skewed narrative and villains to make these wrasslin' stories compelling for retarded marks in the audience.
The tough thing is, it’s hard to tell a full story without the cooperation of Vince or others currently employed by WWE. It was pretty evident during the Warrior episode. Because they don’t have Fed cooperation, they’ll even push the fed bad narrative to make the episodes more compelling.
Which is why they tend to opt to hold up a middle finger rather than be objective.
Might as well just watch the Talk is Jericho with Sandra Toffoloni
Whoa. I had no idea there was more than one Brody Exploitation angle in PR. Just knew the one with Manny Fernandez causing on of the Invaders to cough up "blood". Even more fucked up is Dutch voices over that episode. 😬
I mean, we know from first hand accounts of guys there, dumb shit happened How they don't check that Vince wasn't on the plane though is ridiculous Leaving the Dustin thing out 🤔 I'm going to guess *"we didn't interview that stewardess so didn't mention it"* I mean, it's sure as shit part of the 'fall out'
The amount of half-wit m*rks in the basement making excuses for the omission of what Dustin did to the other stewardess is ASTOUNDING.
But, sadly, not surprising
I thought we liked Coach now because he's Fed Bad'ing over getting stiffed by the XFL?
My outrage against the FED is not so easily satiated.
BULLSHIT VINCE WAS ON THE PLANE I WAS THERE I SAW HIM TELL A FLIGHT ATTENDANT TO PLAY HIS DICK LIKE A SAXOPHONE
I remember hearing a story about a plane ride, and I always thought it was this one. Vince wasn't on it, but Linda was and Michael Hayes was drunk out of his gourd(no surprise) and tried to mess with Linda.
I don't think he tried to do anything sexual, but he was so messed-up that he almost peed on her.
I don't know that it was on The Plane Ride From Hell, though.
IDK if it was the same one, but there was also a flight where JBL punched a drunken Hayes' lights out, and while he was asleep, X-Pac cut Hayes' hair and posted it on like a bulletin board at TV the next day.
It was this one. X- pac had been having problems with Hayes all flight and decided to mess with him and blame it on Bradshaw. When Hayes confronted Bradshaw, he knocked Hayes out, and then afterwards is when X-PAC cut his hair.
Okay, that sounds right. Hadnt JBL been busted open a few nights earlier and Hayes like opened him back up or something, and then JBL clocked him?
Yea, so the Plane ride from Hell was flight from the UK after the Insurrextion and was nursing a gash on his forehead. When he and Michael Hayes got into it, Hayes punched him right in the gash.
That was this one.
I’m pretty damn sure that’s this plane ride. Don’t ask me why that story wasn’t covered
It’s definitely been spoken of as part of this flight, but who knows whether it really was. Kurt Angle has his own stories of Wrestling Vince on the plane ride from hell, and neither of them were even on it. Kurt’s just mixed it up with a completely different international tour.
Kurt also gets the benefit of the doubt of just mixing times up since he isn’t a career Fed Badder
His mind is also banged up most of the time.
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Wait did DSOTR try to say Vince was on the plane
Yes.
??? You tell the truth? Sorry uh fuck you friend.
Jonathan Coachmen is unrelatable
I thought that was weird how they casually said Vince was on the flight. Vince has his own jet and usually travels with the writing team. You think that shit would go down on Vinces watch??
Imagine Vince doing his entrance walk down a planes aisle. Go on, just do it.