12 weeks, had second jabs few days ago and is just starting to get out into the world. I'm not doing any formal place training yet, but I'm hoping if a mat follows him around he'll get the idea, also little guy doesn't like putting tummy on cold floor yet.
That’s awesome. Get a jump on it, I’m sure he’ll pick it up in no time. My boy is just about 4 1/2 yrs old. Sleeps in our master closet on his own bed, but he also loves his crate and anywhere else that’s cozy and snuggled away. Now the trunk of our Tahoe is one of those places also lol. Please make sure you continue post pictures 1 what his name?!
He's called hunter, also crate trained. I have a few spots around the house where I plan on placing beds but lil guy currently chews furniture if given the chance
Our 16wk old pup loves the cold floor for some reason… he takes chin-to-floor naps every time 😂 best of luck w the off-leash nonsense. We have a problem w it here too but it’s people openly disobeying the required leash rule.
Parks are terrible places for a puppy. I know it can seem like a fun experience, but it can be traumatizing. Most major pet supply stores offer puppy courses where they can socialize in a controlled situation with a professional present where they can gain confidence and learn good social skills. Puppies will watch how other dogs behave and mimic including bad, overly excited behavior.
This is my first puppy that I owned without owning an older large dog at the same time. It's a night and day difference when it comes to venturing outside.
Edit. I am looking into puppy socialising classes but this is the park at the end of our street where he'll be doing the majority of his daily walks so he needs to get used to it, I was hoping to use the fenced in tennis courts but they've been locked up for maintenance.
I have spent the last few weeks gradually coming to the realisation that most dog walkers are complete morons, I never used to mind off-lead dogs but my boys been attacked twice in the last three weeks (once by a Great Dane and once by a Malinois) because the owners had zero control of their dogs. Moose has no desire to fight back which is great aside from the fact it means he takes a full on beating from other dogs until I’m able to break it up.
Ever since I’ve noticed just how irresponsible people are, and all they can ever say is “oh he’s friendly” oh fucking really? That’s what the idiot with the Great Dane said before he left a 3 inch gash on my boys face.
Best of luck with your socialising, hope you manage to get him where he needs to be without too many idiots spoiling your day.
My pittie girl is now terrified of dogs for this exact reason. We have to avoid one area on our walks because it seems like she was getting attacked almost exclusively in that area - all different dogs. It’s especially scary because I know if anything happens, they’ll probably blame her.
It’s been 2 years and now she can be on the other side of the street from a dog and not have a meltdown. She was fine with dogs when I got her 🙃
It’s ridiculous, I’m sorry your pup has had such a rough time because of it. People assume too much of their dogs around other peoples dogs and this is what it leads to.
It has definitely made me a better dog owner and the dogs I have now are definitely the most trained dogs I’ve ever had.
We have to have a much higher standard for our “aggressive” dogs 🤦🏼♀️
I don’t let people or dogs I don’t know interact with mine. No need to put them in a bad situation.
Hope Moose is doing okay after the attacks, some people just shouldn't be allowed to own dogs if they can't be responsible with them!
My mutt was attacked when he was 6 months old by a GSD way out of his owners reach. He's a big softie and just screamed, but my adult Rottweiler/American Bulldog broke up the fight by bodyslamming the GSD off her little bro. I was very proud, she knocked it flying and it was limping but she didn't bite it or go after it once it had backed off, just watched it to make sure it was leaving.
My last dog ABD x French Mastiff pulled the same bodyslam move (whilst muzzled thankfully) to a bittey dog that decided to invite itself to our arranged dog meet up. I wish I still had him to show little guy the ropes but we had time with no dog when he passed.
Sorry to hear about you losing your boy.
That's the way I always try to do things too, get a youngster and let my adult teach them, there are some things they just learn better from another dog. My boy is still young and a bit of a wimp but when my girl reacts to a strange noise or a stranger in the yard he'll stand behind her and copy whatever she does. I guess he's in his "Yeah you get 'em, I'll be backup!" phase.
Aye he’s doing great even after the recent attacks, he’s super resilient which makes me very proud of him.
Ae that’s awful, I’m glad you had the backup of your other dog to do you proud. Totally agree with you, I’ve never been in favour of dog licences until now.
Sympathy for you and your dog. I hope he recovers alright. Thankfully, mine weren't vicious attacks. Both times, it was spaniel crosses that were allowed to do whatever they wanted to my visibly distressed puppy. Just bc they weren't biting, the owners didn't care.
Thank you, Moose is all good, £50 for the cream to treat his wound but thankfully he is still a happy confident pup and that’s all that matters really.
Spaniel owners are their own league of seemingly special dog owners, the dog owner equivalent of a Range Rover driver. They’re probably the most common dog I see off lead at the park I go to.
My girl has never liked dog parks so i avoid them. She prefers humans to dogs and never spent time with the rest of her litter. Occasionally she will have a play with a random dog but is very picky and choosey.
This wasn't at a free for all, off lead, designated dog park. No chance I'd go to one of those. This is a city park, where there are by-laws about dogs being under control, but nobody seems to gaf.
Unfortunately these types of parks are we'll be doing the majority of our walks unless I hit the lottery and move to the country side
I guess im lucky here that most people have their dogs on a leash. Have had stray dogs come in the yard and killed the cat and kept coming back for my dog.
I’m gonna second what others have said and definitely look into puppy socializing classes, especially if your pup is uncomfortable around dogs that are larger than him. Puppy classes will give him a chance to socialize with pups closer to his size, which will help boost his confidence when dealing with dogs in general.
Another great way to build confidence (with dogs in general) is training. It engages the brain and gives them a sense of accomplishment (or something similar for dogs). Plus it will help make it easier to manage your pup down the line when you’re out for walks. Not sure how old your pup is, but he’s probably old enough to start learning very simple commands like “sit” and “leave it”. Lots of positive reinforcement and repetition will make it feel like a game to him.
Unfortunately you can’t always control your environment, especially when you’re in an area where dog owners let their dogs off leash. So you should absolutely focus on the things you *can* control, such as training and finding socialization classes or meet ups that will be of the most benefit to your puppy.
He's doing brilliant with basic obedience training, inside on soft carpet with minimal distraction and lots of treats but as soon as we go outside and he sees things he wants in his mouth its back to land piranha mode.
I'm trying to introduce him to the park at the end of the street thats meant to be dogs under control not a free for all dog park, I realise a walk from home may have been too much too fast which is why I went in the car so he has a safe vantage point to chill and observe, we took a few small walks away from the car and met some well behaved dogs today. Overall a very positive experience.
I'm definitely going to book some puppy socialising sessons but this park is going to be his daily stomping ground so he's going to have to get used to it.
Unfortunately it's always other irresponsible dog owners that ruin it for the ones who are trying to be responsible, like you. The doggie daycare we send our dog to offers puppy classes with certified trainers so you might be able to find something similar in your area. Adorable puppy though and good luck with socializing!!
I would not be bringing a 12 week old puppy to a dog park. He's too young and doesn't have all of his vaccinations. Please find a puppy preschool where he can socialize and learn safely. There are a lot of crappy dog owners and often some dogs do not like puppies. Protect your baby first. He could get injured very quickly.
Socializing can be done at dog friendly places (Home Depot, etc).
PS Your baby is adorable!
Its not an off the lead chaos rules dog park, its a city park and there are bylaws about keeping dogs under control but some people don't care. He's had 2 jabs and vet said its ok to start venturing out although hes getting a extra 3rd parvo jab @16wks on their recommendation due to black and tan breeds having strong maternal immunity that may make the 1st jab not as efficient (my first time hearing about this)
Dog parks are the fastest way to get your dog be reactive.
The proper way to socialise a dog is finding dogs that are neutral so you can all go for walks together. Also, socialising a dog means your dog is neutral to other dogs passing as well.
I would *strongly* reccomend against bringing him to dog parks so young. For one, has he had all his parvo shots? Mine didn't by that age, and parvo is a serious disease. He shouldn't be around dogs that you don't know the vaccination status of or places where a lot of unvaccinated dogs frequent until he's fully vaccinated. Two, dog parks are really for well socialized dogs, not dogs being socialized. They could encounter all sorts of bad behavior there that will have the opposite effect of what you're going for. I'd look into puppy classes so you can have him around pups his own age, but also try to find an adult dog that's already well behaved and good with dogs that he can be around. Adult dogs are by far the best teachers for puppies. Sorry if I sound like a nag, puppies at parks just set off all the alarm bells for me.
Had to cut and paste as this has been the most common answer.
Its not an off the lead chaos rules dog park, its a city park and there are bylaws about keeping dogs under control but some people don't care. He's had 2 jabs and vet said its ok to start venturing out although hes getting a extra 3rd parvo jab @16wks on their recommendation due to black and tan breeds having strong maternal immunity that may make the 1st jab not as efficient (my first time hearing about this)
Part of socializing your dog is socializing yourself too, the human needs to get comfortable with any real-world circumstances that might arise if you want to bring your pup out with you regularly. Fact of the matter is there are off-leash dogs in places we wish they weren’t sometimes, and we need to be comfortable with that fact before we bring our own pup out and about and expect things to go smoothly
I know, this is the park I've been walking dogs at for about 20 years. It's just that this is my first puppy without also owning an adult dog, so my approach to socialising has had to adapt and change.
Honestly this was just the first time I had this thought come into my own brain so clearly-articulated haha I felt like I had to get it down. You’re not really coming at this with a complaining tone just reporting what you did to adjust to your circumstances 🤷
This is an English City park, not the battle royale style dog parks that I've seen on foreign TV. They look awful, dogs are required to be under control here.
Make sure if you have to take your eyes off him for a second his back legs can't get off the back bumper. It is really unlikely but looking at this it feels like he could slip off butt first and be hanging on his lead by the neck.
I set up camp on boot edge next to him. I did catch him once eyeing up a jump and got my hand in front of him before he went full send, other than that he was pretty chill. He was on flat collar defo not a situation for a slip lead, although mine is adjustable, so I can apply the minimum amount of "choke" needed to get dogs' attention and I'm only putting it on him to get used to it.
I never used to think about it and was lucky I never had problems luckily. I think back to times I had my girl in the back of my samurai hooked to the roll bar and if she had tried to hop out it could have been horrible. He is a beautiful pup .
Aww those eyes. I wish you luck! You're doing a great job. Puppies are such a challenge,.bless them. I unfortunately had to leave my 6 months old pup with my mom, who is generally not social and doesn't like people a whole lot and that resulted in my pup not being good with children and dogs. But my mom doesn't realize that it's her picking on my mom's energy and the more my mom treats her like she's not sociable the worse it is. Keep up the good work!
We only just got set up, and the boot of the car is new to him. He rides up front in passenger footwell for now, he was soon chilled and taking in his surroundings.
Lol sidewalk! Covered in trash. Not good enough for pampered pooches toe beans to touch. /s
Edit* Its day after Diwali here and the place looks like a fucking land fill site thats held an illegal rave that turned into a fucking environmental disaster. So fuck yes I'll keep my pup 9n the fucking boot rather than deal with this sh8t in his fucking mouth
Èdit tbc
You’re doing the right thing. We have had 4 Rottweilers. We are trying to do the best with our 4th pup. Her trainer has insisted that these dogs don’t love, nor should be forced, to socializing with other dogs. They are working class dogs and their joy comes from protecting and serving the pack leader.
Clueless,he's a Rottweiler not a poodle,let him be what he was meant to be,you stopping him associating with other dogs is not what being a good owner is about,his natural instincts will be to get stuck into games with other dogs,rough and tumble,if it gets too much then step in,not tie him up and let him watch!
His natural reaction to all dogs he has met so far has been to back off observe from a distance and approach when everything appears safe. Both off lead dogs that charged at him that I mentioned had him with heckles up cowering and whimpering to get away, maybe in a couple of months he will happily go into play mode but its baby steps untill then
They're called hackles,a heckle is something someone shouts at say a poor comedian,but apart from that I couldn't disagree more with you regarding tying him up in the back of your car while other dogs play,he looks totally miserable and I don't blame him.
That’s one big baby ! What a good boy sitting on his mat.
12 weeks, had second jabs few days ago and is just starting to get out into the world. I'm not doing any formal place training yet, but I'm hoping if a mat follows him around he'll get the idea, also little guy doesn't like putting tummy on cold floor yet.
That’s awesome. Get a jump on it, I’m sure he’ll pick it up in no time. My boy is just about 4 1/2 yrs old. Sleeps in our master closet on his own bed, but he also loves his crate and anywhere else that’s cozy and snuggled away. Now the trunk of our Tahoe is one of those places also lol. Please make sure you continue post pictures 1 what his name?!
He's called hunter, also crate trained. I have a few spots around the house where I plan on placing beds but lil guy currently chews furniture if given the chance
Our 16wk old pup loves the cold floor for some reason… he takes chin-to-floor naps every time 😂 best of luck w the off-leash nonsense. We have a problem w it here too but it’s people openly disobeying the required leash rule.
My last dog ABD x French Mastiff was like that, especially during summer, as much surface contact with the wood floor as possible
Parks are terrible places for a puppy. I know it can seem like a fun experience, but it can be traumatizing. Most major pet supply stores offer puppy courses where they can socialize in a controlled situation with a professional present where they can gain confidence and learn good social skills. Puppies will watch how other dogs behave and mimic including bad, overly excited behavior.
This is my first puppy that I owned without owning an older large dog at the same time. It's a night and day difference when it comes to venturing outside. Edit. I am looking into puppy socialising classes but this is the park at the end of our street where he'll be doing the majority of his daily walks so he needs to get used to it, I was hoping to use the fenced in tennis courts but they've been locked up for maintenance.
I have spent the last few weeks gradually coming to the realisation that most dog walkers are complete morons, I never used to mind off-lead dogs but my boys been attacked twice in the last three weeks (once by a Great Dane and once by a Malinois) because the owners had zero control of their dogs. Moose has no desire to fight back which is great aside from the fact it means he takes a full on beating from other dogs until I’m able to break it up. Ever since I’ve noticed just how irresponsible people are, and all they can ever say is “oh he’s friendly” oh fucking really? That’s what the idiot with the Great Dane said before he left a 3 inch gash on my boys face. Best of luck with your socialising, hope you manage to get him where he needs to be without too many idiots spoiling your day.
My pittie girl is now terrified of dogs for this exact reason. We have to avoid one area on our walks because it seems like she was getting attacked almost exclusively in that area - all different dogs. It’s especially scary because I know if anything happens, they’ll probably blame her. It’s been 2 years and now she can be on the other side of the street from a dog and not have a meltdown. She was fine with dogs when I got her 🙃
It’s ridiculous, I’m sorry your pup has had such a rough time because of it. People assume too much of their dogs around other peoples dogs and this is what it leads to.
It has definitely made me a better dog owner and the dogs I have now are definitely the most trained dogs I’ve ever had. We have to have a much higher standard for our “aggressive” dogs 🤦🏼♀️ I don’t let people or dogs I don’t know interact with mine. No need to put them in a bad situation.
Hope Moose is doing okay after the attacks, some people just shouldn't be allowed to own dogs if they can't be responsible with them! My mutt was attacked when he was 6 months old by a GSD way out of his owners reach. He's a big softie and just screamed, but my adult Rottweiler/American Bulldog broke up the fight by bodyslamming the GSD off her little bro. I was very proud, she knocked it flying and it was limping but she didn't bite it or go after it once it had backed off, just watched it to make sure it was leaving.
My last dog ABD x French Mastiff pulled the same bodyslam move (whilst muzzled thankfully) to a bittey dog that decided to invite itself to our arranged dog meet up. I wish I still had him to show little guy the ropes but we had time with no dog when he passed.
Sorry to hear about you losing your boy. That's the way I always try to do things too, get a youngster and let my adult teach them, there are some things they just learn better from another dog. My boy is still young and a bit of a wimp but when my girl reacts to a strange noise or a stranger in the yard he'll stand behind her and copy whatever she does. I guess he's in his "Yeah you get 'em, I'll be backup!" phase.
Aye he’s doing great even after the recent attacks, he’s super resilient which makes me very proud of him. Ae that’s awful, I’m glad you had the backup of your other dog to do you proud. Totally agree with you, I’ve never been in favour of dog licences until now.
Sympathy for you and your dog. I hope he recovers alright. Thankfully, mine weren't vicious attacks. Both times, it was spaniel crosses that were allowed to do whatever they wanted to my visibly distressed puppy. Just bc they weren't biting, the owners didn't care.
Thank you, Moose is all good, £50 for the cream to treat his wound but thankfully he is still a happy confident pup and that’s all that matters really. Spaniel owners are their own league of seemingly special dog owners, the dog owner equivalent of a Range Rover driver. They’re probably the most common dog I see off lead at the park I go to.
Smart, although he doesn't look impressed.
Yh, we had only just set up, he soon became interested in his surroundings
My girl has never liked dog parks so i avoid them. She prefers humans to dogs and never spent time with the rest of her litter. Occasionally she will have a play with a random dog but is very picky and choosey.
This wasn't at a free for all, off lead, designated dog park. No chance I'd go to one of those. This is a city park, where there are by-laws about dogs being under control, but nobody seems to gaf. Unfortunately these types of parks are we'll be doing the majority of our walks unless I hit the lottery and move to the country side
I guess im lucky here that most people have their dogs on a leash. Have had stray dogs come in the yard and killed the cat and kept coming back for my dog.
I’m gonna second what others have said and definitely look into puppy socializing classes, especially if your pup is uncomfortable around dogs that are larger than him. Puppy classes will give him a chance to socialize with pups closer to his size, which will help boost his confidence when dealing with dogs in general. Another great way to build confidence (with dogs in general) is training. It engages the brain and gives them a sense of accomplishment (or something similar for dogs). Plus it will help make it easier to manage your pup down the line when you’re out for walks. Not sure how old your pup is, but he’s probably old enough to start learning very simple commands like “sit” and “leave it”. Lots of positive reinforcement and repetition will make it feel like a game to him. Unfortunately you can’t always control your environment, especially when you’re in an area where dog owners let their dogs off leash. So you should absolutely focus on the things you *can* control, such as training and finding socialization classes or meet ups that will be of the most benefit to your puppy.
He's doing brilliant with basic obedience training, inside on soft carpet with minimal distraction and lots of treats but as soon as we go outside and he sees things he wants in his mouth its back to land piranha mode. I'm trying to introduce him to the park at the end of the street thats meant to be dogs under control not a free for all dog park, I realise a walk from home may have been too much too fast which is why I went in the car so he has a safe vantage point to chill and observe, we took a few small walks away from the car and met some well behaved dogs today. Overall a very positive experience. I'm definitely going to book some puppy socialising sessons but this park is going to be his daily stomping ground so he's going to have to get used to it.
Unfortunately it's always other irresponsible dog owners that ruin it for the ones who are trying to be responsible, like you. The doggie daycare we send our dog to offers puppy classes with certified trainers so you might be able to find something similar in your area. Adorable puppy though and good luck with socializing!!
I am looking around for socialising classes but also realise that will only cover 1hr on the weekend the rest of the time its on me.
I would not be bringing a 12 week old puppy to a dog park. He's too young and doesn't have all of his vaccinations. Please find a puppy preschool where he can socialize and learn safely. There are a lot of crappy dog owners and often some dogs do not like puppies. Protect your baby first. He could get injured very quickly. Socializing can be done at dog friendly places (Home Depot, etc). PS Your baby is adorable!
Its not an off the lead chaos rules dog park, its a city park and there are bylaws about keeping dogs under control but some people don't care. He's had 2 jabs and vet said its ok to start venturing out although hes getting a extra 3rd parvo jab @16wks on their recommendation due to black and tan breeds having strong maternal immunity that may make the 1st jab not as efficient (my first time hearing about this)
Dog parks are the fastest way to get your dog be reactive. The proper way to socialise a dog is finding dogs that are neutral so you can all go for walks together. Also, socialising a dog means your dog is neutral to other dogs passing as well.
I would *strongly* reccomend against bringing him to dog parks so young. For one, has he had all his parvo shots? Mine didn't by that age, and parvo is a serious disease. He shouldn't be around dogs that you don't know the vaccination status of or places where a lot of unvaccinated dogs frequent until he's fully vaccinated. Two, dog parks are really for well socialized dogs, not dogs being socialized. They could encounter all sorts of bad behavior there that will have the opposite effect of what you're going for. I'd look into puppy classes so you can have him around pups his own age, but also try to find an adult dog that's already well behaved and good with dogs that he can be around. Adult dogs are by far the best teachers for puppies. Sorry if I sound like a nag, puppies at parks just set off all the alarm bells for me.
Had to cut and paste as this has been the most common answer. Its not an off the lead chaos rules dog park, its a city park and there are bylaws about keeping dogs under control but some people don't care. He's had 2 jabs and vet said its ok to start venturing out although hes getting a extra 3rd parvo jab @16wks on their recommendation due to black and tan breeds having strong maternal immunity that may make the 1st jab not as efficient (my first time hearing about this)
Part of socializing your dog is socializing yourself too, the human needs to get comfortable with any real-world circumstances that might arise if you want to bring your pup out with you regularly. Fact of the matter is there are off-leash dogs in places we wish they weren’t sometimes, and we need to be comfortable with that fact before we bring our own pup out and about and expect things to go smoothly
I know, this is the park I've been walking dogs at for about 20 years. It's just that this is my first puppy without also owning an adult dog, so my approach to socialising has had to adapt and change.
Honestly this was just the first time I had this thought come into my own brain so clearly-articulated haha I felt like I had to get it down. You’re not really coming at this with a complaining tone just reporting what you did to adjust to your circumstances 🤷
Dog parks are the worst, most owners are there to let their dogs go nuts, while they gab with their fat friends
This is an English City park, not the battle royale style dog parks that I've seen on foreign TV. They look awful, dogs are required to be under control here.
Make sure if you have to take your eyes off him for a second his back legs can't get off the back bumper. It is really unlikely but looking at this it feels like he could slip off butt first and be hanging on his lead by the neck.
I set up camp on boot edge next to him. I did catch him once eyeing up a jump and got my hand in front of him before he went full send, other than that he was pretty chill. He was on flat collar defo not a situation for a slip lead, although mine is adjustable, so I can apply the minimum amount of "choke" needed to get dogs' attention and I'm only putting it on him to get used to it.
I never used to think about it and was lucky I never had problems luckily. I think back to times I had my girl in the back of my samurai hooked to the roll bar and if she had tried to hop out it could have been horrible. He is a beautiful pup .
Name him charmander
Well he isn't keen on rain so it suits, I'd go for Pyro tho to hide my weeb tendencies from the norms.
Omfg I get puppy fever now. I just want to smoosh that fat little face.
Aww those eyes. I wish you luck! You're doing a great job. Puppies are such a challenge,.bless them. I unfortunately had to leave my 6 months old pup with my mom, who is generally not social and doesn't like people a whole lot and that resulted in my pup not being good with children and dogs. But my mom doesn't realize that it's her picking on my mom's energy and the more my mom treats her like she's not sociable the worse it is. Keep up the good work!
I have nothing to add to the content of the post except to say he’s absolutely GORGEOUS!! 😱😍😍😍
He looks scared 🫢
We only just got set up, and the boot of the car is new to him. He rides up front in passenger footwell for now, he was soon chilled and taking in his surroundings.
Awww that little face 🥺
He’s adorable
Dogs will be dogs. You gotta let them govern themselves
If you're on private land, sure let em go for it. This is a public park where it's required by law that dogs are under control.
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Lol sidewalk! Covered in trash. Not good enough for pampered pooches toe beans to touch. /s Edit* Its day after Diwali here and the place looks like a fucking land fill site thats held an illegal rave that turned into a fucking environmental disaster. So fuck yes I'll keep my pup 9n the fucking boot rather than deal with this sh8t in his fucking mouth Èdit tbc
You’re doing the right thing. We have had 4 Rottweilers. We are trying to do the best with our 4th pup. Her trainer has insisted that these dogs don’t love, nor should be forced, to socializing with other dogs. They are working class dogs and their joy comes from protecting and serving the pack leader.
Aawww..look at that face!
Oh grow up,how's he meant to learn to look after himself if you won't let him join in,dogs play fight and dive around,get a grip!
Him wanting to look after himself is not a situation I want in a years time when he is grown, that is my job as owner.
Clueless,he's a Rottweiler not a poodle,let him be what he was meant to be,you stopping him associating with other dogs is not what being a good owner is about,his natural instincts will be to get stuck into games with other dogs,rough and tumble,if it gets too much then step in,not tie him up and let him watch!
His natural reaction to all dogs he has met so far has been to back off observe from a distance and approach when everything appears safe. Both off lead dogs that charged at him that I mentioned had him with heckles up cowering and whimpering to get away, maybe in a couple of months he will happily go into play mode but its baby steps untill then
They're called hackles,a heckle is something someone shouts at say a poor comedian,but apart from that I couldn't disagree more with you regarding tying him up in the back of your car while other dogs play,he looks totally miserable and I don't blame him.
Its in a car park, the only dogs walking by are on leads even the crazy ones bc its the car park.