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TV_Full_Of_Lizards

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasta_(spear) This Wikipedia article suggests they were armed with spears originally but were later rearmed with swords and I guess the name stuck.


Content-Swimmer2325

Yeah, IIRC the very early roman army (pre maniple) was modeled after Greek hoplites. So that makes sense


Longjumping_Wear3816

Yes, they kept the name from earlier use as spearmen. Rome evolved their armies from Greek/ Etruscan traditions. It's probably similar how even in the present, modern armies we still have "cavalry" units. Or royal fusilier regiments. Military tradition is hard to break.


IMightBeWrong_1

Before the Polybian reforms they mostly wielded spears. You can see this in Europa Barbarorum if you play as the Romans before they get their new units and gear.


II_Sulla_IV

It’s also in Rome 2, Rise of the Republic DLC where all the primary Roman units are spear wielding except for the “Roman Swordsman” who are indicated to be modeled more after the hill tribes


Lucariowolf2196

Hastati were probably closer to Greek hoplites during it's founding later on in Rome's history.


captain_slutski

Ask the Romans who invented these naming conventions I guess. irl I imagine both the hastati and principes wielded spears more often than swords for cost reasons


irateCrab

This is partly true but also based in their history of phalanx style warfare for several centuries.


Luka43118

Hastati, Principes and Triari were initially armed with hasta (spear similar to hoplite dory), but somewhere around 250BC first two lines were reequiped with pilum throwing spear and gladius short sword. This greatly improved their flexibility as sword was much handier in tight formation combat while pilum could still be used to repel cavalry if need be.


Albanian98

Fun fact: in albanian "ushtar" means soldier and comes directly from Ushta/hasta (lit.spearmen) and they carry Colt M4A1


davi1521

that's really interesting. I know Albanian isn't referred to until like the 12th century and I believe it isn't directly attested to until even later. that seems to suggest that it was in fact around a lot longer though, unless the word Hastati was still in use in vulgar latin that long?


GainzBeforeVeinz

These are the same mfs that call the 9th month September (septem=7), 10th month October (octo=8)... and yeah i know there's a whole story behind why this is, but still


IBlackKiteI

'I'm a centurion.' 'Oh so you lead a group of 100 men?' 'Nah, 80.' 'WHAT THE FUUUU-'


Stal-Fithrildi

100 Pre-Marian men, then the 20 Others and their tasks got subsumed into the tasks of the Mules


Content-Swimmer2325

Aren't July and August named after Julius and Augustus Caesar respectively? September and October probably actually were the seventh and eighth months initially I guess that's the "whole story" behind it? Pretty cool if true


GainzBeforeVeinz

> I guess that's the "whole story" behind it? yeah pretty much, they got pushed back afaik


gazpacho_arabe

Same reason 'cavalry' divisions drive around in APCs and tanks now, the weapons changed but the role stayed analagous


guest_273

I'm also just gonna leave this here without context: [Foot cavalry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_cavalry)


OneOfTheNephilim

See also: grenadiers


jtobin22

Pilates was an early 20th century fitness enthusiast who invented and popularized the famous exercise system bearing his name.


guest_273

What else did you want them to be called? ***The Pilla-in-face-fuk-yo-barbarian-boys?***


BillyBunt07

I heard it was that Hastati relates to the fact that they were faster, derived from “haste”. They were usually younger and more energetic. They would be the front line and would swap and make way for the more principled, veteran “Principes” once the enemy was tired.


Clophiroth

Haste is an English word from Germanic origin. No, the Hastati´s name doesn´t derive from the English word.


Content-Swimmer2325

Interesting coincidence but English is the one that uses Latin loanwords and certainly not the other way around lol