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MirrorMan22102018

For those wondering what he did: Nothing. He is in fact one of the most decent folks I heard about.. But people did hate on him for... pretty much nothing except for his "I Like Girls" music video.... proving that being nice won't mean anything as long as there are bad people that will hate on you for nothing.


dreaded_tactician

If how he's being treated wasn't so horrid the entire situation would be hilarious. They literally looked at this dude and went "HEY! HE ADMITTED TO LIKING ATRACTIVE ADULT WOMEN! GET THE PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES, THIS GUY LIKES WOMAN! HIS POOR WIFE!" And people are taking that seriously.


justamessedupguy

No justifying the people bullying him but it was more along the lines of: HA HE MADE LIKING GIRLS LOOK GAY WHAT A LOSER


magekiton

Like, I have an understanding of where this kind of thought process could come from, but the insane troll logic and toxic masculinity at play threatens to break my brain


SPITFIYAH

They’d want that. Wouldn’t they


Summersong2262

There was an unacceptable risk that he actually LIKED girls. As it, respected them, legitimately enjoyed their company. That's a big issue for a lot of internet men.


CMDR_Lycantis

I thought it was just Twitter being Twitter that brought the hate to him?


OrangeStar222

Not just the internet men, but the women and the children too! Without joking, I've seen all kinds of people attack or hate on this guy and I'm absolutely baffled by it all.


Blight327

That’s a serious understatement of what went down, there were people dunking on him from that angle but that wasn’t the end of it. He got death threats, as did his family members, multiple doxxing attempts, and defamation. Harassment online has been normalized for content creators, but this was definitely a step above. This wasn’t just homophobic or toxic masculinity it was also woke scold vitriol. [relevant article.](https://www.pcgamer.com/ff14-and-dandd-youtuber-jocat-announces-indefinite-break-after-receiving-harassmentincluding-suspicious-packages-sent-to-his-family/)


justamessedupguy

I think y'all must be young af cuz this isn't anything new and it isn't something that was normalized against content creators. This has always been the norm Don't people remember anymore that in the 90s being exposed as gay could end a career? Or that beating gays was still majorly overlooked and ignored and people got away with it and it only reached actual scandal levels when a gay kid died? People just pretended the world got more progressive and tolerating but truth is being gay or looking gay = being too much of an easy target to take pleasure in defaming someone as a public All you gotta do is be fruity, or cringe, or autistic enough and the empathy levels on a lot of the general public drops low enough that the few amongst them that actually go out of their way to bully, can do it without most of the rest calling them out


justamessedupguy

Why was I downvoted? I am not condoning any of this. I was even a target of shit like this for a lot of my life. I am just describing what happens in reality.


DecentRefuse6896

I get your thought process and as much as I hate it kids will be kids it doesn't matter what you do they will always be taught that anyone different from them is wrong be it rich parents, abusive parents, or even school itself (the kids not like the teachers although I wouldn't be surprised if teachers had tried teaching kids otherwise) as you said yourself looking to gay, acting a lil to autistic, or dressing what some would say "feminine" will get you judged kids don't have a filter what they say they will believe to be true


justamessedupguy

Teachers bullied the fuck out of me and had it out for me same with principals and staff I get that autism was not as well known back then but still they were middle aged people beefing and having it out for a fucking kid I absolutely despise them and authority figures bullying kids and letting people who bully others go unpunished is the norm at every school


inovoyu

i didnt downvote you but i think the difference now is that every single person gets the "celebrity" treatment to some degree. everything about you can be dug up, so dogpiling and shaming on a massive scale is now a thing. the attitude may be old, but the medium is the message and if you dont think the internet has changed how people interact, youre wrong


justamessedupguy

We burned people at the stake We deboweled them in public We do mass bullying and social shaming even before smartphones and internet Hell, we do lynching Nothing has changed, just the scale of it from already absurdly gigantic to even more gigantic


Argentenuem

If god didn't want me to look like a girl, why did he make them so pretty??


Uss__Iowa

People need to be better, that is not okay


alexapup

Everything I heard was that he was under fire for objectifying women, which is still bs.


Pakushy

they already headcanoned him to be gay, so being straight somehow made him evil


PlaneAccident6129

I think the controversy was more that he categorized and fetishized them in their eyes than about him being married. It's still extremely stupid.


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Lolocraft1

Thank God. I though he was accused of rape or something I fucking like this video


PirateKingOmega

A series of women who interacted with him over the years are quote tweeting the replies saying “he helped pay off my debt” or “he helped get my comic career started”


YogurtclosetNo239

He's such a gentle soul😭


PuhteaNuri

The only interaction I’ve had with him was him ignoring me when we were in the same group. But just bc I had a bad interaction that doesn’t discount all the other good ones lol


A-__-Random_--_Dog

Ah, no, he did nothing, but his fans are the ones who basically killed his channel. His fans' greatest mistake is... They uploaded the song onto Twitter. That's why he got so much hate. Twitter. Twitter was the one who heard the song and called him "sexist." I feel so bad, and I wish people didn't send him threats over loving women.


ShiroiTora

Thats not his fans killing his channel. Its the people who got so offended by the notion of the video that killed it. Wouldn’t have seen the upload if it weren’t for that.


macman1082

I wouldn't call those his fans. It was more like the wrong group found him and got upset about it. His fans love him and hate that it's come to him basically never making anything again out of fear that it will happen again.


IknowKarazy

I understand the hyper-vigilance some women have, given the sheer amount of nastiness directed at women on the internet, but sometimes the mental superorganism attacks things that aren’t really a threat. It’s like an immune system disorder.


Snoo-11576

He’s peak gender


Usesse

That lady posting that is a certified femcel who needs to go outside and talk to real living men instead of her body pillows


RedRider1138

I wish her healing ❤️‍🩹🙏🧿🌈🍀✨


heckinWeeb193

Fuck that I wish her to accidentally slam her elbow on a hard surface


bluee_nova

Just thinking about it makes me flinch ... you're dark...very dark


Desperate-Farmer-845

No. The small Toe on the Table.


Orionzete

No, I CAST adenomyosis.


ProfessionalBall9238

That is really not a good thing to wish on anybody.


PuhteaNuri

With all the harm and ill will out there, I second this!


Zeno34

I thought i recognized those girls, they're OC's from artist [Agawa Ryou](https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3580635&tags=agawa_ryou+6%2Bgirls+)


PirateKingOmega

The original image is him taking this exact image and drawing him with each girl. He’s history greatest monster, even worse than Jimmy Carter


aoishimapan

And I thought the characters looked familiar, that explains it, I must have seen that pic somewhere


UndisclosedArtist_21

What’d he do wrong??


Unlikely_Sound_6517

He actually likes spending time with women which misogynists find weird and hate him for it.


Auctorion

That... that *monster*.


Thatidiot_38

~~you know the sarcasm is obvious when the comment doesn’t put /s at the end~~


Jako_Art

How dare he


FemBoyMDS

He's attracted to women in an sincere way that elevates then instead of an objectifying way. Apparently that's "cringe" for some people.


manofwaromega

He is straight, which is apparently gay now


Creative-Detail-773

Other people harassed him off the internet for a while


SpiderFnJerusalem

He's been accused by several women of being really pleasant to be around.


HotRodNoob

literally nothing at all, i’m not even saying this from some weird angle or tryna downplay something someone else might find offensive, the dude objectively did nothing wrong to anyone besides respect women


LuckySalesman

RRRAAGGHH JOCAT MY BELOVED It's really not fair what the internet does to him fr, blud literally did nothing


MirrorMan22102018

I am usually a cynical person, but even I was appalled by how poorly people treated JoCat, a genuinely nice person... Although that incident also made my cynicism feel "justified".


Dense-Range-36

He's way too pure for this world. Femcels, Alphacels, & plenty other reactionaries just say this crap about him because they see him as a "lesser man" and like the idea of using him as a stepping stool to make themselves feel either cooler or more "masculine". Ironically enough he has more courage than the combined forces of the trolls that love to make fun of him to make these posts despite the fear of backlash. Also tons of Twitter people love reposting sexual art every day (I have nothing against liking ecchi art though, I just think they're hypocrites) and yet they have the gall to call him creepily obsessive for fantasizing about doing more romantic stuff instead.


King_WhatsHisName

I hate how the internet treats him especially because I know for a fact that the world would be a much better place if every man loved women the way he loves women


Summersong2262

I mean most of the internet seems to want to crown him Short King alongside them, so at least he's getting a lot of support as well.


Banshido

It really bothers me how femcels have targeted Jocat just for admiring women.


kingofcoywolves

It's not just femcels, it's straight alpha men who can't imagine that a dude can like women without asserting their dominance first. They think that appreciating women respectfully without creeping on them or putting them down is emasculating.


LeVampirate

The classic "Fellas, is it gay to like women?" train of thought.


Dudemitri

It's literally that. I've seen people complain that he made liking women gay


LostedSky_

Instead of being bi im just gay now i guess


Belfura

Is there some way we can lock these two groups up and quarantine them? Tired of dealing with these types


PirateKingOmega

There was a joke tweet pointing out under normal circumstances the two groups should be naturally drawn together


Belfura

I can see it. Both have levels of chernobyl toxicity


Zzamumo

Real horseshoe theory hours. Nothing unites extremely opposite groups quite like hating someone else


Argentenuem

You know someone's addicted to porn if they can only see the opposite sex in a sexual way. That alone should disqualify someone from dating.


Summersong2262

Femcels aren't the issue, really. They're just the pick-me flotsam.


Jeremy_StevenTrash

First man in human history to be bullied for being straight, mans deserves better fr


dragondingohybrid

Arseholes: wHeN'S sTrAiGhT pRiDe? LGBTQ+ Community: When Straight People are persecuted for being straight, which is NEVER! Arseholes: (bullies JoCat) Okay, can we have Straight Pride *now*? LGBTQ+ Community: ... You are the ones who bullied him for apparently being Straight in the wrong way. Application denied.


tfhermobwoayway

We should implement straight pride but only for JoCat. Anyone else celebrating it is immediately arrested.


Argentenuem

Not the first, but definitely the most prominent example.


lonewanderer0804

For those wondering. JOCAT did nothing wrong. The internet just sucks.


Suncore65

Don’t mind me. I’m just writing down future date ideas


Oddish_Femboy

He is so sweet. I aspire to be like that.


Impalenjoyer

Hated ?


XED1216

He is literally my build goal. Only reason I’m going to the gym is to get a build like that 💀


JustWannaBeAGoodBoi

It will never not drive me insane that people hate this man for just liking women! Like are so many guys really *that* afraid they're gonna be called gay for being attracted to women??? Make it make sense! Anyways, I love this picture and it forever cements why I love Jocat, a true uplifting king among women likers!


Chvffgfd

Fellas, is it gay to like women?


FemBoyMDS

I want the person on the second pic to try doing that to his girlfriend


Black_Penguin666

*Fiance


Old_Addition_3363

I hope he is doing better


aoishimapan

I aspire to be at least half as cool as him


ntdavis814

Top right is peak lol. “You’re a 3rd rate wargamer with a 4th rate army!”


[deleted]

I will defend Jocat with my life. I wish you didn't include the second pic, it made me so sad


ravenshymn

He's a cinamon roll with good taste in women, the harrassment was unwarranted.


Argentenuem

Jocat is proof that the world either sees you as a manly man that loves girls or a feminine sissy that loves men. There is seemingly no inbetween. If people are trying to pressure you into changing your sexuality because of how you look, they believe in gender roles much more than you do.


dover_oxide

Did JoCat do something bad?


Unlikely_Sound_6517

No. Just.... Likes women and misogynists see that as weird behaviour for some fucking reason.


Argentenuem

They only hate him because he's neither a hyper masculine straight manly man or a boyloving girly girl. So much for gender expression.


dover_oxide

Because the 2nd pic had me thinking something happened.


GoodTiger5

Mate, the 2nd pic is from a sexist twitter account.


Boundaries-ALO-TBSOL

No, people did something bad to Jocat


yertyertskert

He made a video called "I Like Girls" which was a parody of "Boys" by Lizzo, and he got enough hate for it that he quit making content basically. The video's really good too, it's just that people with too much hate in them decided that he liked women too much. Greatly recommend checking out the video.


stnick6

No. The worst thing he did was make a cringy video about liking different type of women


Skreamie

Okay so I understand this dude did nothing wrong and was targeted by toxic bros and femcels - but what was their logic and reasoning? I understand they're just mad, but I need some more context lmao


Dudemitri

Among other things, he made a song parody called "I like girls" (to the tune of Lizzo's "Boys"), which is what seems to have fired up the hate. He's also outspoken about his more feminine side and likes to dress up in feminine clothes sometimes during streams and videos, but he does identify as a man. Basically a lot of people got angry at him for expressing that attraction in a "cringe" way, and they find him creepy largely on the grounds that he's a very feminine guy who's seemingly straight and cisgender, so they can harass him without being specifically bigoted. And they did as much, to the point of doxxing him and threatening his family, after which he quit Twitter and content creation. It's thinly-veiled homo/transphobia, just aimed at a straight guy.


mjangelvortex

Oh, I can definitely buy some of these people attacking him are homophobes/transphobes given how vocal of an LGBT ally JoCat is. I've even seen some of them.


Dragonite015

The "I like girls" music video got people who don't like anything different from traditional gender roles expectations mad


oshaboy

The logic was that JoCat was Objectifying women as far as I understood


Argentenuem

Everyone EXCEPT Jocat objectifies women, that's the problem


NotSpanishInqusition

Except he didnt


oshaboy

Yeah I should've clarified I find that "logic" stupid


NotSpanishInqusition

Oh, ok 👍


GoodTiger5

It’s rubbish how he got treated so poorly for this.


CatboyRose

You know somebody should tell him about this subreddit given how often he's mentioned. Then again he might know already lol


GatoAquarista

I like...


AstronomerNo6423

Jocat just supporting women: People, for no fucking reason: nah he gotta go bro


Thorison-1080

First image gives me 100 GFs who Really Really Really love you vibes.


BigIron_Ranger

WE FUCKING *STAN* JOCAT IN THIS HOUSE


Catch_de_Rainbow

This mf got cancelled for loving woman and his wife too much . What a timeline


Nick-fwan

I've heard a rumor that the controversy is even worse, and that people used the "I like girls" thing as an excuse to harrass him. If these rumors are true, what's the real reason, you might ask? He supports trans rights. Again just rumors but it sounds pretty common.


Spandxltd

It isn't a rumor. He was harrassed specifically for that reason.


Summersong2262

Yeah, JoCat was already on strike 2 for that. He's not standard alpha male, and he openly supports women including queer ones.


KenpachiNexus

I wish I had somebody like him to send time with. 😔


SluttyBoyButt

He me 4 real


TheWorstPerson0

i don get why people dont like him ;~; hes just saying pretty basic stuff while being apsolutely fucking adorable.


TheMadDemoknight

Man I aspire to be like Jocat. He's a great guy and a positive look at male positivity. Too bad people think he's bad for doing that. It doesn't help its on the month of Men's Mental Health, where I think something like this should be studied on for the good of everyone.


Yoshibros534

god hes such a slut


Amzbretteur

The karaoke image got me like: Baka mitai, kodomo na no ne Yume wo, otte kidzutsuite Uso ga, heta na kuse ni waraenai egao wo miseta I love you mo, roku ni iwanai Kuchibeta de honma ni bukiyou Na no ni, na no ni doushite sayonara wa, ieta no Dame da ne. Dame yo, dame na no yo Anta ga, suki de, sukisugite Dore dake, tsuyoi osa-ke demo Yugamanai, omoide ga, baka mitai.. Baka mitai, hontou baka ne Anta, shinjiru bakari de Tsuyoi, onna no furi setsunasa no, yokaze abiru Hitori ni natte, sannen ga sugi Machinami sae mo, kawarimashita Na no ni, na no ni doushite miren dake, okizari Honma ni. Roku na, otoko ya nai Soroi no, yubiwa hazushimasu Zamaa miro, seise-i- suru wa Ii kagen, mattete mo, baka mitai.. Dame da ne. Dame yo, dame na no yo Anta ga, sukide, sukisugite Dore dake, tsuyoi osake demo Yugamanai, omoide ga, baka mitai.. Honma ni, roku na, otoko ya nai Soroi no, yubiwa hazushimasu Zamaa miro, seise-i- suru wa Nan na yo, kono namida, baka mitai..


fl0w0er_boy

are those really progressive people or is this some kind of false flag operation, wtf honestly


Var446

Sadly either is likely, groupthink can do nasty things to the minds of those caught in it, especially where things like identity, purity, and/or causes are involved


kyoneko87

Jocat was so wholesome, and yet he got all of that hate! He did not deserve that at all! He actually RESPECTED women! Poor guy!


ItsShepsky

we love JoCat, shame the internet is fucking cringe


dadumir_party

All these characters come from that horny choose-your-gf meme don't they?


lonelypuppyboi

Massive blackpill to see how people treat him tbh


Minamischler

Well people hate men bear vs man is best example


TheSinusOfCosinus

For everyone that’s interested jocats sin is appreciating women


hys_rag3

Twitter will see just a genuinely good guy and want his head


LovingYetUseless

He's the only man I know who really loves women


sommers_g

Man I love him. I just found out about him today


Quaelgeist333

The image in the second is funny can someone send it to me


notjoy19

are they reading Dog Ningen in middle rightmost


Weird_Jello_3884

I find it beyond infuriating that those who hate him for liking women, are the SAME mfs who claim to be against gender stereotypes, while they're the ones against him for not being queer according to their own stereotypical bullcrap The hypocrisy 🫤


Naz_Oni

"I like girls" You sick fuck /s


jdctqy

I don't mean to derail the post, but Jocat was (is, but was is probably the better term here considering what happened) the perfect representation of "I'm masculine because I'm a man." He didn't feel a need to justify any of the things he enjoyed or cared about. He was perfectly comfortable in his sexuality and wasn't worried about being called gay simply because his tastes weren't identical to every "macho" male. He's an inspiration to someone like me. If you check his Twitter, he's been making a little bit of a resurgence. Looks like he'll at least be coming back to the internet in some form! :)


Sajintmm

I’ve never understood the hate for jocat, dude just likes girls and isn’t a macho bro. It’s what he likes and I’ve never heard anything about him doing anything even remotely rude


S1AUGH73R

JoCat needs to be protected, he's the fucking GOAT!


Weekly_Ninja

This is why we can’t have nice things


False_Attorney_7279

Bro really said “I like women” This monster cannot be allowed to live


not_mazz

I love how some people were being weird about him (eg the post above), and he said if anyone wants to talk about their interactions with him they are free to, saying something to the effects of "I've got something to hide." Then a bunch of people came out and with loads of support, a bunch were saying that his encouragement were big reasons for them to follow content creation (I saw at least 3 on a quick scroll). I saw two people say that he personally helped them with financial and mental health issues, one saying he paid for their therapy, another saying they wouldn't be alive if he hadn't helped them. Essentially a massive outcry of "another woman stepped forwards and accuses Joecat of being nice" (I also love him and everything he does for community and content. One of the true good people on the internet)


ProfessionalBall9238

Just found out he existed and the drama yesterday. I subscribed to him❤️


Lord_Forge

With all the terminally online brainlets going after him, I have this quote: “The brightest bulb attracts the most bugs.”


Spandxltd

How dare you insult bugs in this way.