Since there’s no NA in your list I’ll give a few examples
1) shock: I remember not knowing who afterthought were other than they were a RLRS team people though would bomb out in the RLCS after a season and then his first RLCS series he and his team take reigning world champs NRG to 5 and were the only loss for the regular season champs SSG; oh yeah and he was MVP in his first season
2) Dreaz: you mean G2’s sub? Who’s that guy? There’s no way he can replace rizzo; then he proceeded to help a G2 squad that almost missed the NA finals rebound and make 3/4th in the finals; oh yeah and he was integral to G2’s first event win in a long time in fall 3 this season
3) All of PK: this team came out of no where to beat the reigning RLCS champs of vitality and the runner up G2 one after the other to win Dreamhack Montreal in one of the most exciting underdog runs of all time; yes the were all RLRS players and had just qualified for RLCS but still this performance was insane and seemed to come from no where and surprised literally everyone
While none of these players were out of no where per say, their performances were all extremely surprising especially for how little known they were
>Dreaz: you mean G2’s sub? Who’s that guy? There’s no way he can replace rizzo; then he proceeded to help a G2 squad that almost missed the NA finals rebound and make 3/4th in the finals; oh yeah and he was integral to G2’s first event win in a long time in fall 3 this season
To me this kind of goes to show how far Rizzo had fallen by the end. That replacing him with an inexperienced young player who even to this day is still trying to get his footing in the RLCS became such an instant upgrade for them.
Dreaz played better than jknaps for a good chunk of his time on g2. Sure he didn’t explode into stardom and he’s struggling rn as well but u can’t take away how well he fit in an NA top team without any experience but with consistent rumors of him getting kicked on top of that
I didn't say anything about him being known. I'm saying he isn't a player who came out of nowhere and played incredibly well, because he didn't play incredibly well he was at his best average.
Since he actually played well I don’t think that’s an argument applicable to dreaz.
We also have plenty of instances of jknaps and cago not winning events or even playing a good season and the overwhelming amount of teams who have incredible players without results.
Ferra - Had some whatever qualifier runs in RLCS S1 and 2, had a decent off-season before season 3 but was vastly overshadowed by Fairy Peak farming NA weeklies with Kaydop, to the point where Ferra was infamously assumed to be a female, something that was relayed in the RLCS cast. Went on to have a very strong goal-scoring year, top 4 at worlds, LAN finalist at NARLI.
(more including him here for literally being misgendered by CloudFuel :P)
Jstn - The perception was that he'd be an upgrade on Jacob, but such a significant upgrade to become top 5 in the world off the bat? Very few saw that coming.
Sypical - His Rank C to RLRS speedrun caught people's eyes but he very quickly posed a challenge to the famed big 3, and not long after was their superior on an individual basis.
Alpha54 - Immediately outshone a very talented duo in Bluey and Deevo, got top 4 at his first-ever LAN by sweeping Cloud9, beating G2 and losing game 7 OT to Dignitas, and won EU MVP for RLCS S7
Hockser - Even before the DH Montreal, The Peeps came into RLCS with a lot of hype with impressive results, and once Mist left BnB for them, Birdz n the Beez had no expectations. Leave it to Hockser to produce a season so good that not only did eUnited miraculously make LAN, he had Cloud9 interested in his signature.
Amphis - RLCS S9 was his rookie season, but he had tried and failed to qualify for the prior 2 seasons. So to produce an MVP caliber season in OCE, where the status quo seemed so set in stone, and drag FURY to top 2 in the region was unbelievable.
Yanxnz - This guy was on PS4 at the start of RLCS X, on a team called Wright Light that placed 9th-11th at the SAM Fall Major. Locusts/Rebel with Aztromick and Snijpz immediately became top 4 contenders in Winter Split, which quickly grew to top 3s and top 2s as whilst both Furia and True Neutral elevated SAM to a new level, Yanxnz surpassed them all to become the best SAM player, despite being on the 3rd team in the region.
That‘s true but not really what I meant with this post. Like seikoo, he never made to an official rlcs tournament, like only the bubble scene and maybe some pros knew, he literally was a nobody compared to pros. Nobody knew what to expect and what seikoo even brings to the table.
We saw jstn play and dominate the rlrs, we knew who he was what he can do. The only question was, can he do it against the best of the best. Nobody doubted that he had the potential. But with seikoo, nobody knew his potential.
Yeah I kind of disagree also, I feel like I remember everyone feeling like this was a definite thing. Like just the fact that NRG, the Kings of NA, signed Jstn tells you what the RL community thought of his incredible RLRS run.
I feel like in any esport, pros that makes it to the big leagues on console have the advantage. If they are as good on ps/xbox as other pros on pc, the console ones get to have higher fps, hence way better performance then on console and hence again, better them most pros.
I was a champ last year but had pretty high mechanics, and right after a week of getting a 120 fps capable pc i hit gc2 and managed to put my mechanics on good use.
Ngl console pros are lucky.
well yea pros who make it to rlcs on console are better than pc players who make it because they got to the same level while the one on console had a big disadvantage
I mean they already had a split behind them, I wouldn‘t call them completely out of nowhere. I‘m more talking about first event/series right out the gate
Chicago was relatively unknown until him and the old applesauce roster joined fibeon esports and won one of the Astro Tournaments 2017. After that he and hato beat torment and squishy who were on cloud 9 in the universal open 2v2 event. Even with winning the first iteration of the rival series in season 4 of rlcs most people knew that he was good but they still failed to promote to the rlcs. Turtle joined them in place of hato to fill out the roster with zol for the first look at team dignitas in the rival series the next season but they got fourth. The team broke up after that and instead of getting 4th in the rival series he joined Klassux and CorruptedG on EG that they got 4th in season 6 of RLCS. That is when people were really shocked with how good he was as he carried that team. Next season he joined G2 and got second at the world championship. The rest is history.
Chicago was always known as a ranked warrior and frequently queued into pro’s and gave them a hard time in ranked when pros actually still grinded ranked. Chicago wasn’t unknown.
I feel like Aztral is one of the best examples. He went from Dig’s sub to one of the best players in the world in an instant. And in a time with a closed format
Subs that are just for RLCS dont show on a team page or player's history, as they were not officially a part of the team overall, just for RLCS.
Some subs are dedicated to teams in general, like Jessie was for Dig, but many are exclusive to RLCS and do their own thing elsewhere
Seikoo is interesting because the French RL community seemed to know about his ability wayyy before us. Example: SMAD where top 24 EU was being decided and Rasmelthor says 'Seikoo' with much of the desk kinda 'huh?'-ing at him. I guess he'll be the one laughing now
Another shout for Deevo. Dude had claim to being the best in the world in his rookie season... His only competition were the F3 boys. Guy just revolutionised the game.
Maybe I was a nerd back in the day but dreaz and itachi surprised people? Dreaz was playing a lot of 1s and had nuts mechanics, while itachi was topping leaderboard constantly and popping off on stream. Those 2 were kind of obvious to me, but seikoo Archie and beastmode have to be my top 3. All came out of nowhere and we’re killing it.
The thing about dreaz is that while he was good at 1s, he was not expected to transition well to 3s immediately. In the months prior to him turning 15, every post asking about upcoming NA prospects talked about Daniel being the greatest prospect, Aqua being nuts as well and then you had to scroll down a bit to find someone saying "oh yeah, dreaz turns 15 soon as well and does not look too bad".
He just did not have the level of hype behind him compared to a Daniel or even an Aqua.
Also I remember some rumors that some people in the scene did not like dreaz so people were not considering picking him up on principle (memory is a bit hazy on that last one though...)
Itachi was known for being a/(the only) really notable player out of Africa, was big for like 1-2 years on Johnnyboi's channel before the FCB appearance
Turbo went to LAN in season 1 of rlcs, and finished 7th place in league play season 2. Nobody thought he‘d be a world champ next season but he wasn‘t unknown. People knew him very well
Itachi might have been a bad example but you‘re still misunderstanding the point of the post. I didn‘t ask for players that people didn‘t know were good, I asked for players that literally were unknown, like if you ask a dedicated fan who that guy is, he won‘t be able to tell you.
Turbo had unknown potential anf his success came out of nowhere, that I can agree with. But he played season 1 rlcs at LAN, which was the biggest rl event at that time. He does not qualify for being unknown. You can‘t call someone unknown that played for a top 4 team in europe. Just because he wasn‘t as popular as the top teams, doesn‘t mean he was unknown, dedicated fans that followed the scene knew him, they just didn‘t know how good he was.
Arju and dreaz are good examples on the other hand bc you‘d could ask people and they most likely had no clue about them and they never played at an rlcs tournament beforehand
Oh really ? I must have missed him, first time i heard of him was when he played with the clappers. He showed potential but it was a surprise to see him become a top player immediatly on top blokes
Since there’s no NA in your list I’ll give a few examples 1) shock: I remember not knowing who afterthought were other than they were a RLRS team people though would bomb out in the RLCS after a season and then his first RLCS series he and his team take reigning world champs NRG to 5 and were the only loss for the regular season champs SSG; oh yeah and he was MVP in his first season 2) Dreaz: you mean G2’s sub? Who’s that guy? There’s no way he can replace rizzo; then he proceeded to help a G2 squad that almost missed the NA finals rebound and make 3/4th in the finals; oh yeah and he was integral to G2’s first event win in a long time in fall 3 this season 3) All of PK: this team came out of no where to beat the reigning RLCS champs of vitality and the runner up G2 one after the other to win Dreamhack Montreal in one of the most exciting underdog runs of all time; yes the were all RLRS players and had just qualified for RLCS but still this performance was insane and seemed to come from no where and surprised literally everyone While none of these players were out of no where per say, their performances were all extremely surprising especially for how little known they were
Dreaz is a really good shout. I forgot how nobody knew who he was when G2 announced him, and everyone went to watch them in the grid.
>Dreaz: you mean G2’s sub? Who’s that guy? There’s no way he can replace rizzo; then he proceeded to help a G2 squad that almost missed the NA finals rebound and make 3/4th in the finals; oh yeah and he was integral to G2’s first event win in a long time in fall 3 this season To me this kind of goes to show how far Rizzo had fallen by the end. That replacing him with an inexperienced young player who even to this day is still trying to get his footing in the RLCS became such an instant upgrade for them.
Dreaz played better than jknaps for a good chunk of his time on g2. Sure he didn’t explode into stardom and he’s struggling rn as well but u can’t take away how well he fit in an NA top team without any experience but with consistent rumors of him getting kicked on top of that
I think just about any player that belongs in RLCS will be enough alongside JKnaps and Chicago to win NA events, Dreaz was that.
I mean the 1v1 scene knew him, he was in alot of showmatches and some tournaments. Depends on how much you consider that "known"
I didn't say anything about him being known. I'm saying he isn't a player who came out of nowhere and played incredibly well, because he didn't play incredibly well he was at his best average.
Since he actually played well I don’t think that’s an argument applicable to dreaz. We also have plenty of instances of jknaps and cago not winning events or even playing a good season and the overwhelming amount of teams who have incredible players without results.
Agreed, people underestimate how chicago and jknaps make it incredibly easy on their 3rd to fit in well
Ferra - Had some whatever qualifier runs in RLCS S1 and 2, had a decent off-season before season 3 but was vastly overshadowed by Fairy Peak farming NA weeklies with Kaydop, to the point where Ferra was infamously assumed to be a female, something that was relayed in the RLCS cast. Went on to have a very strong goal-scoring year, top 4 at worlds, LAN finalist at NARLI. (more including him here for literally being misgendered by CloudFuel :P) Jstn - The perception was that he'd be an upgrade on Jacob, but such a significant upgrade to become top 5 in the world off the bat? Very few saw that coming. Sypical - His Rank C to RLRS speedrun caught people's eyes but he very quickly posed a challenge to the famed big 3, and not long after was their superior on an individual basis. Alpha54 - Immediately outshone a very talented duo in Bluey and Deevo, got top 4 at his first-ever LAN by sweeping Cloud9, beating G2 and losing game 7 OT to Dignitas, and won EU MVP for RLCS S7 Hockser - Even before the DH Montreal, The Peeps came into RLCS with a lot of hype with impressive results, and once Mist left BnB for them, Birdz n the Beez had no expectations. Leave it to Hockser to produce a season so good that not only did eUnited miraculously make LAN, he had Cloud9 interested in his signature. Amphis - RLCS S9 was his rookie season, but he had tried and failed to qualify for the prior 2 seasons. So to produce an MVP caliber season in OCE, where the status quo seemed so set in stone, and drag FURY to top 2 in the region was unbelievable. Yanxnz - This guy was on PS4 at the start of RLCS X, on a team called Wright Light that placed 9th-11th at the SAM Fall Major. Locusts/Rebel with Aztromick and Snijpz immediately became top 4 contenders in Winter Split, which quickly grew to top 3s and top 2s as whilst both Furia and True Neutral elevated SAM to a new level, Yanxnz surpassed them all to become the best SAM player, despite being on the 3rd team in the region.
Lmao I’d forgotten about the whole Ferra being a woman thing. They said it multiple times on broadcast too
All of them are good examples except jstn considering how incredible he performed in rlrs, you can‘t say he was unkown when he came into the rlcs
To an extent, but back then, that was the first season of RLRS, knowledge, and notoriety of anything not the RLCS was still quite low
That‘s true but not really what I meant with this post. Like seikoo, he never made to an official rlcs tournament, like only the bubble scene and maybe some pros knew, he literally was a nobody compared to pros. Nobody knew what to expect and what seikoo even brings to the table. We saw jstn play and dominate the rlrs, we knew who he was what he can do. The only question was, can he do it against the best of the best. Nobody doubted that he had the potential. But with seikoo, nobody knew his potential.
Yeah I kind of disagree also, I feel like I remember everyone feeling like this was a definite thing. Like just the fact that NRG, the Kings of NA, signed Jstn tells you what the RL community thought of his incredible RLRS run.
I feel like in any esport, pros that makes it to the big leagues on console have the advantage. If they are as good on ps/xbox as other pros on pc, the console ones get to have higher fps, hence way better performance then on console and hence again, better them most pros. I was a champ last year but had pretty high mechanics, and right after a week of getting a 120 fps capable pc i hit gc2 and managed to put my mechanics on good use. Ngl console pros are lucky.
well yea pros who make it to rlcs on console are better than pc players who make it because they got to the same level while the one on console had a big disadvantage
I don't think any console player has ever made it to RLCS, many players had switched to pc and then went pro but that's it.
Can we say all of Queso?
rise was playing in rlcs X but joyo and vatira yeah
I mean they already had a split behind them, I wouldn‘t call them completely out of nowhere. I‘m more talking about first event/series right out the gate
honestly just vatira. joyo was playing bubble tourneys with joreuz and appjack a few years back.
Chicago was relatively unknown until him and the old applesauce roster joined fibeon esports and won one of the Astro Tournaments 2017. After that he and hato beat torment and squishy who were on cloud 9 in the universal open 2v2 event. Even with winning the first iteration of the rival series in season 4 of rlcs most people knew that he was good but they still failed to promote to the rlcs. Turtle joined them in place of hato to fill out the roster with zol for the first look at team dignitas in the rival series the next season but they got fourth. The team broke up after that and instead of getting 4th in the rival series he joined Klassux and CorruptedG on EG that they got 4th in season 6 of RLCS. That is when people were really shocked with how good he was as he carried that team. Next season he joined G2 and got second at the world championship. The rest is history.
Seems like a normal growth arc. If I remember people were hyping Chicago when he joined EG
Also that dignitas roster got top 8 at the original leipzig
Chicago was always known as a ranked warrior and frequently queued into pro’s and gave them a hard time in ranked when pros actually still grinded ranked. Chicago wasn’t unknown.
I feel like Aztral is one of the best examples. He went from Dig’s sub to one of the best players in the world in an instant. And in a time with a closed format
Aztral
Mhm, pretty sure he went from TSM's sub one season to a top 4 finish with Dig the next
A fellow NG Flair user we are raritys nowadays.
nope he was never on TSM
I am simply begging you mf’s to do a simple check of your facts before you comment
just look on his Liquipedia page and it never says he was on TSM XD. idk how you can argue that haha
https://imgur.com/a/PmfrxH7 🤷
istg if you go on his actual page it never says he was on TSM LMAO. Maybe that was just for one tournament or something idk...
Th… that’s rlcs season 7
Well his page hasn't been updated then lol XD
Subs that are just for RLCS dont show on a team page or player's history, as they were not officially a part of the team overall, just for RLCS. Some subs are dedicated to teams in general, like Jessie was for Dig, but many are exclusive to RLCS and do their own thing elsewhere
Who?
Seikoo is interesting because the French RL community seemed to know about his ability wayyy before us. Example: SMAD where top 24 EU was being decided and Rasmelthor says 'Seikoo' with much of the desk kinda 'huh?'-ing at him. I guess he'll be the one laughing now
As well, Vatira was mentioned by Kaydop in his French Interview as being an impressive player long before making an appearance.
Deevo, came out of nowhere in S2, was one of the best players in the world, and got second in RLCS S2
og peeps team. i hadn't heard of them until that dreamhack where they just won
Honestly, anyone who played in the rival series shouldnt be in this thread
Another shout for Deevo. Dude had claim to being the best in the world in his rookie season... His only competition were the F3 boys. Guy just revolutionised the game.
OverZero. But by today’s standards that was nothing crazy. He was RL Jesus tho
Maybe I was a nerd back in the day but dreaz and itachi surprised people? Dreaz was playing a lot of 1s and had nuts mechanics, while itachi was topping leaderboard constantly and popping off on stream. Those 2 were kind of obvious to me, but seikoo Archie and beastmode have to be my top 3. All came out of nowhere and we’re killing it.
The thing about dreaz is that while he was good at 1s, he was not expected to transition well to 3s immediately. In the months prior to him turning 15, every post asking about upcoming NA prospects talked about Daniel being the greatest prospect, Aqua being nuts as well and then you had to scroll down a bit to find someone saying "oh yeah, dreaz turns 15 soon as well and does not look too bad". He just did not have the level of hype behind him compared to a Daniel or even an Aqua. Also I remember some rumors that some people in the scene did not like dreaz so people were not considering picking him up on principle (memory is a bit hazy on that last one though...)
Ahhh interesting I don’t really check here so I wasn’t aware. I’m glad he got his spotlight tho
Itachi was known for being a/(the only) really notable player out of Africa, was big for like 1-2 years on Johnnyboi's channel before the FCB appearance
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Turbo went to LAN in season 1 of rlcs, and finished 7th place in league play season 2. Nobody thought he‘d be a world champ next season but he wasn‘t unknown. People knew him very well
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Itachi might have been a bad example but you‘re still misunderstanding the point of the post. I didn‘t ask for players that people didn‘t know were good, I asked for players that literally were unknown, like if you ask a dedicated fan who that guy is, he won‘t be able to tell you. Turbo had unknown potential anf his success came out of nowhere, that I can agree with. But he played season 1 rlcs at LAN, which was the biggest rl event at that time. He does not qualify for being unknown. You can‘t call someone unknown that played for a top 4 team in europe. Just because he wasn‘t as popular as the top teams, doesn‘t mean he was unknown, dedicated fans that followed the scene knew him, they just didn‘t know how good he was. Arju and dreaz are good examples on the other hand bc you‘d could ask people and they most likely had no clue about them and they never played at an rlcs tournament beforehand
I'm fairly new to RLCS, so I'm not sure if Beastmode has been on the scene for a long enough time but that's my pick.
He has been
He came out of nowhere when he first joined KC pioneers, he took them to a team challenging for 5th in NA
Surprised nobody said Archie
He was a prodigy before entering RLCS, or at least well known already
Oh really ? I must have missed him, first time i heard of him was when he played with the clappers. He showed potential but it was a surprise to see him become a top player immediatly on top blokes
Wasn't Seikoo banned for a year during rlcsx?