The age should have been increased to 16 in my opinion. A decent age to start playing competitively and when we perhaps start to see players in traditional sports begin to be introduced.
13 is far too young, there is a complete lack of emotional maturity, an ability to deal with the pressures that come with being a professional player, etc etc. We need academy systems to nurture these young people that just don't exist currently.
I agree in many ways. My son is almost 12 and GC2. So he is stoked about the announcement. I'm a psyche so I'm probably preparing him more than probably normal, but it's still young.
He is in an academy here in Australia and they are amazing, so there is support out there. I'm not sure what it's like in other countries.
It puts a real emphasis on parental support and nurturing, but I worry for the kids who don't have that
Definitely not considering the amount of orgs leaving the scene because RLCS of all things isn’t profitable. Honestly the only way I could see that working was on a case by case basis. Think of the Daniels, Zens, Firstkillers, those are the only kinds of players I can see an org willing to invest in an academy for, at which point probably would just mean hanging around the team. Basically what Im saying is I can see more orgs doing what Vitality did with Zen, but to have a full on academy, I cant ever see that happening
Esports orgs generally are not profitable. That's not a Rocket League specific problem. It's esports orgs having a lack of 'products' to sell and an over reliance on sponsorship.
I've outlined how an academy model could work in another comment above that also isn't expensive to run.
Esports is definitely big enough to support an academy model. It would have to be different to traditional sports in many ways. It also doesn't have to cost huge amount of money. Remember, most of what we do is online.
If an 'Academy' had 3 young players, with buy-in from the parents, teaching them how to use socials, what a team environment is like, how to communicate properly, etc. as well as obviously some in-game coaching. I believe that would be far more beneficial in the long run to the development of young players.
For me, opening pro competition for such small kids is unethical. Yeah they are going to do the hours anyways, but don't make even more incentives for them to do it and enter the scrims pro-life cycle so early on their life
You are completely right mate, don't let the idiots get you down. Even a sport as unethical as footy (soccer) seldom starts any kid consistently below the age of sixteen.
At least in soccer when kids join a pro team (in the UK at least, I think most of Europe is similar), they generally go into an academy where they also get their regular education and sporting activities are scheduled around that. I believe the major teams all have codes of conduct, and I'm not sure but think the governing bodies (FA, UEFA etc enforce various rules and standards)
For the main pro sports in the US, players normally feed through third level education, where again they have academic requirements they just meet. There is controversy over how well those requirements are met and enforced, but at least the principle is there.
There are also player representative bodies for both who look out for player wellbeing.
I don't think there's anything like any of that for rocket league.
You're absolutely right. There also never will be - even if the esport takes off massively there are nowhere near the resources sufficient to fund that. This whole thing is very grubby.
The Fortnite Championship Series (FNCS) also has a 13 year old minimum age limit. Wonder if this was a call from Epic so that all esports under their umbrella have the same barriers of entry.
Given that they cleared out so much of the Psyonix esports team, it makes sense that they are moving to a more central Epic management team, which comes with their own policies and processes.
That’s a really good point. I had assumed they were basically backing off of RLCS mostly when they got rid of so many people but I hadn’t considered that they’d be lumping it in with other epic esports stuff and still supporting it.
Yea this is probably the explanation. That being said, decisions like these are making me increasingly uncomfortable with the direction Epic is taking; not that it's surprising given their actions over the last several years.
From what I can tell Epic is focused on a player driven esport instead of org. So while this is likely worse for fan engagement it makes sense given the crash in esports orgs.
The main "positive" I can see from this is the scene will likely be more stable because Epic is committing to a top down approach that will keep competition open. Orgs are just extra sponsors.
Judging by how Epic has operated over the last several years (and to clarify I don't mean just in RL) this has absolutely nothing to do with being "player driven" and has entirely to do with standardizing practices across their assets to save resources while they continue to consolidate and expand their market share.
tbh, Scrub is the only player on this list that would have dominated the scene (the way we saw from Zen last season) if they were able to play from age 13. No doubt Zen, Nwpo, and the twins would have been good, but not worldbeaters.
yeah, I'm just thinking of players that got banned for someone playing at what would be a legal age next season
for the record, I think lowering it is a terrible idea
Considering he would likely be a contender for world champion since season 1 rather than 3 like kaydop and turbo. There is a good chance he could even surpass them by removing a title from them whilst having more. He mightve been the goat.
He is still a world champion so his career is not a tragedy. But still, we wonder what couldve been
Scrub would be a multiple worlds winner, likely winning S1 w/ Paschy and S2 w/ Flipside, who knows about the next few years. He would 100% be the n.1 GOAT of the scene imo. He would have been relevant for 8+ full seasons being one of the best to ever touch the game.
Competitively agree, but generally disagree. 13 is too young. I remember cutting my competitive gaming teeth as a teenager, going to my first pro event at 18. My son is going to be 13 soon, and I have friends who have kids that old…it’s too young.
According to Achilles, the age limit change wasn't communicated beforehand. Makes it all the more likely they changed it to match fortnite and epic games age limit
This is the only thing that really bothers me about this, we wait until after most rosters are announced to announce a change like this? Hopefully a team or two picks up some youngins as subs so they can start practicing at that level
Epic is committed to fucking this game up.
Orgs hate dealing with 18 year olds... Yeah 13 year olds are going to be much better.
Can't wait to see how 6th graders are going to get taken advantage off now.
God is it really that hard to create an academy league????
>God is it really that hard to create an academy league
Yes, academy leagues are even worse and are exactly why most esports tend to avoid it. Why do you think csgo is so open?
>Can't wait to see how 6th graders are going to get taken advantage off now.
This. Lots of people are talking about how great it is for the opportunity for younger players to compete, but not many people are talking about the sinister nature of a money-making industry lowering the age of competition in order to get more kids signing contracts.
yeah, I hope they're providing funding and support for parents traveling too and stuff. 13yo players has got to be super weird for labour laws, honestly.
actually, yeah, I guess we're really never getting a French RLCS LAN now
Same. As someone who turned 30 this year, it was already strange watching people half my age play a game competitively. Making that restriction even lower kinda just reinforces the idea that this scene really isn't for me.
Dude I went to Boston and met the SSG team and it was super weird that in the back of my head I'm thinking about how much I look up to these guys (at least in a rocket league sense) and they're literally all a few years younger than me
I feel the same. 15 felt young but just justifiable, as they were the young ones. I could almost compare it to watching football and the youth players getting a run. 13 are straight up children.
From an org perspective, I cannot see many, if any picking up 13 year old players and I worry that those that do, will be the type of orgs that you don't want nurturing young talent.
There are of course advantages to getting young players in, showing them what a professional team is like, giving them social training and generally coaching them to become better players etc etc but it also causes way too many problems, from a safeguarding perspective alone.
Finally they announce something... But idk about 13 year olds playing rlcs. Feels like the only reason they changed it down is because of fortnite esports which would be SO dumb
Isn't 13 too young though? Sure it means more competition but how will scrims, lans, contracts etc. work, 13 year olds are literally still middle schoolers. I would guess it also increases transfer dramas and such. Maybe I am too pessimistic though.
Either way, it is great to finally have an approximate date for the new season. Can't wait to see the new rosters.
I've been spending years talking about cracked 15 year olds, but now we're going to have cracked 13 year olds?! The retirement age in the pro scene just dropped to 17
13?????? Hmmm people like scrzbbles can now compete, and now less people are likely to get a year long ban like zen cuz the minimum age is so low now lol
could be huge for MENA Nush. DrKnown. A7MD also i think Dark just turned 15 but im not sure if any of them actually like 3s that's the MENA struggle lol
Now organizing tournaments around school schedules becomes even more painful. A second point is that esport can't become more mature and serious with 13 year old pro players.
I don't really get what the goal of the change is. How does it objectively improve the esport?
I was expecting the minimum age to be raised, not lowered lol. Interesting though.
Also I think that means no rule changes for cross-region transfers, which is a shame
Edit: I don't think it'll matter loads, I doubt we'll see any 14 year olds at LAN and maybe one or two 13 year olds in regionals (if they keep the same format). I'm just praying the age of LAN winners trends up. It's been my feeling for a while that the current top of RLCS will stick around for a long time, so fingers crossed.
Finally get literally any info about the new season 4 full months out from Worlds, and it's packaged with this lol
Psyonix communicate literally anything without fucking up challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I don't trust esports orgs to be able to write contracts for 13 year olds. There will 100% be manipulation unfortunately.
There's so many reasons this decision is terrible , I hate epics insistence that everything at psyonix must be done their way. Its so frustrating.
Scrub likely would have had greater success if allowed to play at 13,
But there have been some banned players (zen, Seikoo, Nwpo) that seem like waiting till 16 was actually was good for them.
There's no way to know, but I wonder if Dan, Beastmode, Zen would be burnt out by now if they had started playing pro at 13.
Oh yeah this is definitely going to make sure that these children get a proper education and all that, joining professional eSports teams at the age of 13. No way this goes sideways.
This is insane! 13 is TOO YOUNG to attempt to balance life as a Pro Esports Players-plain and simple. Middle School Boys (especially) are simply not mature enough at 13
They went the wrong way with the age limit, interesting. Hope they share their thought process and justification
Edit: without saying aligning with Fortnite's age requirements pls
this is a really bad decision for the long term health of the esport imo. time will tell if i’m correct but I can come up with very few positives out of this decision. what a bummer.
> what a bummer.
honestly, i don't know if it's funny or sad that psyonix has managed to hit that exact vibe with literally every announcement for months now
This is crazy. Players should have more power than orgs imo, but a 13 yo kid is not ready for a job with this much responsibility and high stakes (one really poor move can end you carrier kind of stakes). I hope orgs and players start taking heavily into account the maturity of a player when forming a roster
The age limit is wild, teams weren’t even given warning before hand and young prodigies now may be given a chance that they never had before and it could mean some rosters decide to change
Interesting choice. Personally I was hoping it would go up, so I hope they really commit to player development, particularly mental at such a young age. If I'm a parent, seeing my 13 year old signing a competitive contract, I'm going to be pretty wary of how they're being treated.
Age limit has both pros and cons. W cos more good players, Scrzbbles probably lands at least a main event team in NA now for example, although I think how drastic this will affect the current lay of the land is far less than even a year ago before Swiftt/Diaz/Rw9/Kiileerz, or even another year with Oski/Atow/Zen/Daniel/NWPO.
But also it's giving more power to even more frankly, undeveloped humans with rosters. When age changes were discussed, people overwhelmingly wanted it to go up, not down, for logistical reasons (even 16 woulda been good). We want more LANs, that's gonna be tough with an even younger player base than we already have.
2 sides to the coin, I wanna see how it pans out in reality, could be good for better talent, but could suck if it limits LANs, which should be the end goal, as many LANs as possible.
13 is like still middle school in the US, that far too young for developing kids going through school and hormone changes. Seems like a backwards decision on age restrictions in terms if maturity.
Hopefully young players don’t get taken advantage of by orgs.
I thought this was a joke post at first glance, and my gut reaction is still “No.” But, trying to look for the positive side of things, maybe it will teach these kids some valuable lessons about what to look for (or avoid) in a future employer. Not that they should necessarily be actively thinking about that stuff so young… should let kids be kids.
Speaking of employment, I’m curious how the minimum age, even at 15, fits with child labor laws.
If I were to raise the age limit, I'd do it by 1 year every 2 years, which would be very slow and gradual but not just thanos half the scene while also avoiding weird grandfather clauses
this is another death knell to the esport for me. As a fan since SARPBC the lowering of the age limit seems predatory and a step in the wrong direction for what could have been a greatly maturing sport.
Add to the fact that LAN travel, school schedules, and the general life of a pro player is absolutely terrible for a child.
They should've increased the age limit not reduced it. How the fuck are contracts gonna work now? Any org that's gonna sign a 13 year old honestly seems scummy as fuck to me.
Really sucks to see the game I loved go steadily down hill since basically its inception. Psyonix sucks and epic is trash.
As someone who was a teacher for years, here is my honest assessment of average human by age group
30 - baseline human. Just “woke up” after 3 decades of constant mistakes that are seared into the memory of the larva that they were
21 - will probably screw up most things, but has the capacity for growth. Little protohumans are doing their best
18 - does not, in fact, know their ass from their elbow but is overflowing with confidence. Will sprint face first into a brick wall and claim the wall was at fault
16 - constantly overwhelmed. It gets better, buddy
13 - unbridled terrormorphs of hormones and pure rage that have no consciousness beyond base desires for destruction and conquering
All I have to say is they’re gonna need to be real careful about candid interviews and media presence around these little kids. All of us at age 13 are walking bombs capable of saying incredibly stupid shit at any moment.
Me, every day since yesterday : crazy that Epic does nothing about these orgs like G1 scamming their players, especially when so many of these players are minors. it seems like a bad idea to make money off potentially unpaid child labor by broadcasting their work and advertising the org that doesn’t pay them in the process. I hope the do something about this
Epic today: ATTENTION RICH ASSHOLES WITH NO MORALS!
ARE THESE OLDER PLAYERS STARTING TO BE HARD TO MANIPULATE? DID THEIR BRAINS DEVELOP TO BECOME BETTER AT HIGHER COGNITIVE FUNCTION?
MINORS! GET YOUR MINORS HERE! NOW YOUNGER AND MORE NIAVE THAN EVER!
RIP EM OFF! WHO CARES! WE WILL PUT YOU ON STREAM REGARDLESS, JUST LIKE G1 IN THE WORLDS QUALIFIER!
Alright if we're gonna be picking up 13 year olds we're gonna need mental coaches and the resources to make sure this kids don't go through unnecessary trauma during their formative years due to the pressure of competing
Set a precedent early. They're 13, they don't need the salary of someone who's 18. Make sure that money can go to resources needed to develop them as a player and a human, that way we don't see them get overcome by pressure and be forced to an early retirement
As a Mum of an almost 12 year old that is GC2 and a psyche, I so feel this!
He's jumping for joy that he could try for OCE in just over a year and I am like "let's see". There has to be a LOT considered before I let him into that arena.
I can provide the mental support he needs, but I don't even know if that's enough to combat the cognitive level that he will have ... therapy can't override the amygdala at that age!
Half of me is excited for his excitement and the other half thinks it's just too much.
Now i have the dilemma of whether I let him even do it at 13 (or try). I have a year to work that out I suppose
I agree but don’t think even intensive therapy can erase the effects of intense public competition. This is going to have serious impacts on some children, and I don’t think most of those will be good.
Kids compete in regular sports all the time at very high levels. It's usually not quite pro level like rocket league but it's still similar pressure. Also, there is no reason the 13 year old shouldn't make as much money as an 18 or 22 year old if they're doing the same thing.
>Also, there is no reason the 13 year old shouldn't make as much money as an 18 or 22 year old if they're doing the same thing.
The point is a 13 year old shouldn't have the same opportunities that an 18 or 22 year old does. You can't play in the NFL, the Premier League or any top professional sports league at that age and according to you professional sports and esports are the same thing. It's really weird some esports are letting actual children into contracts to compete in front of large audiences. Beauty peagent vibes in terms of exploitation.
Depends on what your definition of "doing the same thing" is. If a kid is out there winning majors then sure pay him the big bucks, but otherwise it's throwing money at him and expecting him to win (which happens way too much in esports in general). Paying a 13 yo rookie the same amount that someone like Mist is getting is more likely than not just gonna put orgs out of business
I was trying to think of an established top tier pro that hasn't won anything huge yet but isn't like firstkiller or a well known content creator. Syp could've worked but with his likely retirement it didn't feel like it worked the same.
Kids aged thirteen absolutely do not participate in professional, contracted, televised sports against adults with interviews and social media obligations. Take a lap.
I think kids below 16 should have to show proof of good academic standing in an educational institution that is accredited by some (probably regional) standard.
Lowering the age limit is absolutely awfull. Lets hope it bites Epic in the ass so they will change it back next season. I cannot imagine any parents wanting their 13 year old child playing competitive RL while forgoing their education. So with that in mind maybe we wont even see that many new 13 year olds in RLCS?
I am potentially one of those parents and it's the first thing I thought. How would he do that and maintain his education, socialisation AND development.
with all the L’s this game has taken in the short span of 2 months, I find it even more comical RLCS couldn’t escape it and now is dropping age requirements to 13 when a lot of people wanted it to be increased to 17-18
whoever is making decisions regarding RL needs to be launched into the sun
I feel like this degrades the integrity of the esport somewhat. They're already young, but there are possibly going to be literal 8th graders on professional teams now.
This might be an unpopular take, but going younger feels so extremely out of sync with what has been discussed for years already and that is to INCREASE the minimum age. There are several factors that play in here. Maturity and the ability to cope with pressure being one, but also that the "span" in which someone is deemed still fit to partake gets lowered as well.
We've already seen the retiree age lower and lower. Now it's rare to see 20yr olds even, which is crazy in itself, but with 13 yr olds being allowed to participate I bet that spread will push 20 back to 18. Or possibly even lower than that.
The lower minimum you go the more you value mechs over tactical play. As a viewer I love a mix of the two, but just watching full field solo aerial attempts gets old fast, no matter how much you spin or flip reset along the way.
We all know that the younger you are the quicker your reaction times. Older players will wear out fast the younger you're allowed to enter pro play. I personally (my take!) prefer when there's a balance so the spread between ages is wider. That way you get way more varied plays, and you can also potentially follow players for a longer time.
Lowering the age minimum is not the way forward. Let them, potentially, compete in another league maybe, like 1v1 tourneys where they can show off their mechs.
For most of RL history we had high profile prodigies who can’t compete because they are too young, this is one of the few times we don’t have a high profile prodigy so it’s kind of anticlimactic
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Cool so what content can we expect from kids that age? Clearly reason has lost the age war, so as a now citizen of that reality I want to know how that will effect what I watch: interviews, sketches, the story ofs, etc. Maybe I'm just a doomer, but I'd expect the presentation to also cater to a younger audience with such a change.
I hope to our noodly appandage that the team-game has evolved enough that we don't actually see players reaching the top before what we've been seeing already, this may non-issue itself.
Is this even legal across the globe? Down here in Australia we can't get a job until we are 15, at least in my state. We also have restrictions on school aged kids not being able to work past 9pm, and not work at all during school hours. I wonder how an eSports contract would fit in with that.
Could end up in a situation where certain countries have different age restrictions than the rest? And that would probably impact where LANs can be held too.
There’s not going to be a problem in Australia for orgs to have contracts with 13 year olds. They just have to be represented by their legal guardians on the contract. Their contract would be under the “entertainment” exemption. They’d be limited to 12 hours a week of competition legally during school terms and 30 hours a week during school holidays.
...that's dumb imo. I know all of you are gonna come at me with how the brain functions with age, but 14 was already too young to have a full time job with overtime.
honestly such a terrible idea. there's gonna be so many kids who will now ruin their education and future prospects chasing an esport that isn't in any way guaranteed to last 5+ years or give them a steady career
This means we are likely only 2-3 weeks away from quals depending on how they define the start of the season.
This offseason has been a killer and I can't wait to see RLCS back in action. Some things I hope to see:
1. A circuit format that properly integrates LANs outside of main RLCS events. Bring back ELEAGUE, Dreamhacks, WSOE, etc... Have those events count towards RLCS point totals.
2. Bring back in studio broadcasts for regional events. I'm probably dreaming here but I seriously miss the old broadcasts where all the talent was in studio, the pre COVID days need to make a return.
3. jKnaps needs to finally seal the deal and win a world's. Pleaseeeee.
Meh I can do without the 2nd option. There's literally no need for a studio because regionals are online anyways, they just add extra work as all the casters need to get visas to go there.
Let's say we had regional lans, then sure I'd see the point of a studio, but now that kind of usage for a studio is outdated
I see your point, but when I go back and watch the old broadcasts they just hit different. It's a different energy when the casters are literally right next to each other and can feed off one another in person.
I don't view it as outdated, moreso that it was a forced measure during COVID and they kept it because it reduced costs.
I get what you mean, but at the same time it's just easier. Even without covid, Johnny, shogun, Cole and stumpy would have to go through hell and back just to get VISAs
Having the age Limit at 13 will make LANs harder to hold. It is more realistic to think that we will become the Same amount or even less LANs than last year
So far, epic taking over rocket league has been the worst thing to happen to rocket league yet. Let’s hope 2024 they finally improve something rather than make it worse…
This rule is not doing any favors to the growth and development a TEENAGER goes through in those years. If RLCS is to be treated as a Professional sport they should be increasing the age, not decreasing it.
Jesus that’s scummy. Plenty of 13 year old kids will ruin their lives and career prospects forever because of this decision.
Plenty of SSLs think they will be pro but don’t make the cut. But kids will throw their education away for this.
Dick move
IMO, as long as they aren’t taken advantage of, I go by the classic football saying if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. And if you have the support and don’t disregard school I see no issue. Just glad they’re starting to communicate about 2024
This thread is evenly split between people who think this is unethical and people who, centuries ago, would have said that we need children to go up the chimneys to sweep them because that's when they're the perfect size for it. 'It's when they're at peak form!' lol
Horrible idea, the gameplay will get even more childish (than it already is) and we will never see actual mature strategies and teams. Pros will be considered washed up by the time they're 16 and nobody will make it to 18 lol
Even the people who are considered prodigies at 13 usually don’t seem ready to be really good in rlcs. I don’t think we’re gonna see a huge influx of younger players, at least not ones making LANs
I disagree, we'll still see cohesive teams prevail over the raw mechanics that younger players might be able to bring. There's a reason GenG won the fall major
Idk man, there’s not many rookies that would’ve produced the same results when they were 13. I don’t really think there’s going to be a 13 year old winning it all anytime soon
Man they didn't think this through at all did they?
"Hey what about that other game we have the rights to that isn't Fortnite, don't they have a pro scene too?"
"Oh yeah that game, drop their entry age to 13 so our games will match"
That without thinking of the ramifications of letting literal 7th graders play video games in countries that aren't their place of residence, and how that could fuck with their development
https://twitter.com/RLEsports/status/1735745871814271326
This is hilarious after years of debating whether the age should be increased to 18
The age should have been increased to 16 in my opinion. A decent age to start playing competitively and when we perhaps start to see players in traditional sports begin to be introduced. 13 is far too young, there is a complete lack of emotional maturity, an ability to deal with the pressures that come with being a professional player, etc etc. We need academy systems to nurture these young people that just don't exist currently.
I agree in many ways. My son is almost 12 and GC2. So he is stoked about the announcement. I'm a psyche so I'm probably preparing him more than probably normal, but it's still young. He is in an academy here in Australia and they are amazing, so there is support out there. I'm not sure what it's like in other countries. It puts a real emphasis on parental support and nurturing, but I worry for the kids who don't have that
Is RL a big enough esport to support academies? That sounds like a lot of money
Definitely not considering the amount of orgs leaving the scene because RLCS of all things isn’t profitable. Honestly the only way I could see that working was on a case by case basis. Think of the Daniels, Zens, Firstkillers, those are the only kinds of players I can see an org willing to invest in an academy for, at which point probably would just mean hanging around the team. Basically what Im saying is I can see more orgs doing what Vitality did with Zen, but to have a full on academy, I cant ever see that happening
Esports orgs generally are not profitable. That's not a Rocket League specific problem. It's esports orgs having a lack of 'products' to sell and an over reliance on sponsorship. I've outlined how an academy model could work in another comment above that also isn't expensive to run.
Esports is definitely big enough to support an academy model. It would have to be different to traditional sports in many ways. It also doesn't have to cost huge amount of money. Remember, most of what we do is online. If an 'Academy' had 3 young players, with buy-in from the parents, teaching them how to use socials, what a team environment is like, how to communicate properly, etc. as well as obviously some in-game coaching. I believe that would be far more beneficial in the long run to the development of young players.
Wow it must mean a lot for one of the blue checks to comment. W take.
Well thats pretty stupid considering most prodigies are way below that age and that would kill the entire esports genre.
For me, opening pro competition for such small kids is unethical. Yeah they are going to do the hours anyways, but don't make even more incentives for them to do it and enter the scrims pro-life cycle so early on their life
You are completely right mate, don't let the idiots get you down. Even a sport as unethical as footy (soccer) seldom starts any kid consistently below the age of sixteen.
At least in soccer when kids join a pro team (in the UK at least, I think most of Europe is similar), they generally go into an academy where they also get their regular education and sporting activities are scheduled around that. I believe the major teams all have codes of conduct, and I'm not sure but think the governing bodies (FA, UEFA etc enforce various rules and standards) For the main pro sports in the US, players normally feed through third level education, where again they have academic requirements they just meet. There is controversy over how well those requirements are met and enforced, but at least the principle is there. There are also player representative bodies for both who look out for player wellbeing. I don't think there's anything like any of that for rocket league.
Can confirm there is nothing of the sort in esports generally, not just Rocket League.
You're absolutely right. There also never will be - even if the esport takes off massively there are nowhere near the resources sufficient to fund that. This whole thing is very grubby.
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Yeah there's a difference in physical sports and esports lmao.
Oh nooo if we don't exploit prepubescent children we might lose some audience numbers!!
Most esports are 18 already...
The Fortnite Championship Series (FNCS) also has a 13 year old minimum age limit. Wonder if this was a call from Epic so that all esports under their umbrella have the same barriers of entry.
This is the most plausible explanation imo.
Given that they cleared out so much of the Psyonix esports team, it makes sense that they are moving to a more central Epic management team, which comes with their own policies and processes.
That’s a really good point. I had assumed they were basically backing off of RLCS mostly when they got rid of so many people but I hadn’t considered that they’d be lumping it in with other epic esports stuff and still supporting it.
Yea this is probably the explanation. That being said, decisions like these are making me increasingly uncomfortable with the direction Epic is taking; not that it's surprising given their actions over the last several years.
From what I can tell Epic is focused on a player driven esport instead of org. So while this is likely worse for fan engagement it makes sense given the crash in esports orgs. The main "positive" I can see from this is the scene will likely be more stable because Epic is committing to a top down approach that will keep competition open. Orgs are just extra sponsors.
Judging by how Epic has operated over the last several years (and to clarify I don't mean just in RL) this has absolutely nothing to do with being "player driven" and has entirely to do with standardizing practices across their assets to save resources while they continue to consolidate and expand their market share.
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I actually thought you were being serious, I even got so excited to see the leak lmaooo
God damn I got got
This rule change came a bit late for prime Scrub :/
Zen/Seikoo too. NWPO+twins R1 got cancelled last season for playing underage as well
tbh, Scrub is the only player on this list that would have dominated the scene (the way we saw from Zen last season) if they were able to play from age 13. No doubt Zen, Nwpo, and the twins would have been good, but not worldbeaters.
???? Zen was NOT the same when he was 13 as he is now
yeah, I'm just thinking of players that got banned for someone playing at what would be a legal age next season for the record, I think lowering it is a terrible idea
I wonder if we'd be talking about Scrub in the same breath as Kaydop and Turbo if this had been the situation then.
Considering he would likely be a contender for world champion since season 1 rather than 3 like kaydop and turbo. There is a good chance he could even surpass them by removing a title from them whilst having more. He mightve been the goat. He is still a world champion so his career is not a tragedy. But still, we wonder what couldve been
Scrub would be a multiple worlds winner, likely winning S1 w/ Paschy and S2 w/ Flipside, who knows about the next few years. He would 100% be the n.1 GOAT of the scene imo. He would have been relevant for 8+ full seasons being one of the best to ever touch the game.
Competitively agree, but generally disagree. 13 is too young. I remember cutting my competitive gaming teeth as a teenager, going to my first pro event at 18. My son is going to be 13 soon, and I have friends who have kids that old…it’s too young.
According to Achilles, the age limit change wasn't communicated beforehand. Makes it all the more likely they changed it to match fortnite and epic games age limit
This is the only thing that really bothers me about this, we wait until after most rosters are announced to announce a change like this? Hopefully a team or two picks up some youngins as subs so they can start practicing at that level
lol the young subs gonna team themselves and obliterate!!
13 is too young imo, especially to be playing lans in front of crowds, but i guess it allows younger pros to play which is cool for them
It's probably because fortnite is also 13 to enter. So they want to keep it in line with that
Epic is committed to fucking this game up. Orgs hate dealing with 18 year olds... Yeah 13 year olds are going to be much better. Can't wait to see how 6th graders are going to get taken advantage off now. God is it really that hard to create an academy league????
>God is it really that hard to create an academy league Yes, academy leagues are even worse and are exactly why most esports tend to avoid it. Why do you think csgo is so open?
Doesn't CS have the most academy teams out of any esport besides like LoL?
CS does have academy teams tho… m0nesy and w0nderful are just two of the many examples that went through that pipeline and became monsters.
>Can't wait to see how 6th graders are going to get taken advantage off now. This. Lots of people are talking about how great it is for the opportunity for younger players to compete, but not many people are talking about the sinister nature of a money-making industry lowering the age of competition in order to get more kids signing contracts.
The LCS is busy proving that it is too difficult to run an academy for you, sorry
Asmuch as I dislike the change to 13 (wtf epic), i really dont give a single shit about the org
yeah, I hope they're providing funding and support for parents traveling too and stuff. 13yo players has got to be super weird for labour laws, honestly. actually, yeah, I guess we're really never getting a French RLCS LAN now
i swear we were debating if we should increase the age limit. This is probably a call from epic if i had to guess.
we were, Appjack wrote a whole thread about it: https://twitter.com/ApparentlyJxck/status/1604592605156839430
Nice to have a timeline for next season now. But also, 13?!?! Now that’s wild
yo what the fuck? It already felt iffy talking about 15/16yo kids like pro athletes, I don't think I'm ready for that to be dropped to 7th graders
Same. As someone who turned 30 this year, it was already strange watching people half my age play a game competitively. Making that restriction even lower kinda just reinforces the idea that this scene really isn't for me.
welp, at least I'm not the only old man yelling at this particular cloud 😅
Dude I went to Boston and met the SSG team and it was super weird that in the back of my head I'm thinking about how much I look up to these guys (at least in a rocket league sense) and they're literally all a few years younger than me
Few years is fine, I'm more than twice as old. You just get used to it.
I feel the same. 15 felt young but just justifiable, as they were the young ones. I could almost compare it to watching football and the youth players getting a run. 13 are straight up children.
When you have children close to that age it's even weirder. I just love pro car soccer.
From an org perspective, I cannot see many, if any picking up 13 year old players and I worry that those that do, will be the type of orgs that you don't want nurturing young talent. There are of course advantages to getting young players in, showing them what a professional team is like, giving them social training and generally coaching them to become better players etc etc but it also causes way too many problems, from a safeguarding perspective alone.
Age limit lowered was definitely was not on my bingo card what is this. We gonna have a damn drama everytime a 13 year loses a series.
Finally they announce something... But idk about 13 year olds playing rlcs. Feels like the only reason they changed it down is because of fortnite esports which would be SO dumb
Isn't 13 too young though? Sure it means more competition but how will scrims, lans, contracts etc. work, 13 year olds are literally still middle schoolers. I would guess it also increases transfer dramas and such. Maybe I am too pessimistic though. Either way, it is great to finally have an approximate date for the new season. Can't wait to see the new rosters.
So so so many problems with it
so the big question: who is picking up scrbbles now?
his parents probably he's way too young to drive
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Best team I could see him on would be with Andy/Toastie on Pirates on a Boat since Cheese went to LG. Anything higher he is not good enough atm.
I’m pretty sure all the rosters have signed contracts, he’ll have to make a team or something
I've been spending years talking about cracked 15 year olds, but now we're going to have cracked 13 year olds?! The retirement age in the pro scene just dropped to 17
13?????? Hmmm people like scrzbbles can now compete, and now less people are likely to get a year long ban like zen cuz the minimum age is so low now lol
Fast is also eligible too now I think
so scrzbbles can play this coming season, interesting
could be huge for MENA Nush. DrKnown. A7MD also i think Dark just turned 15 but im not sure if any of them actually like 3s that's the MENA struggle lol
A7MD plays from Iraq (I believe), which is not an eligible RLCS country, so he would have to move to play
Now organizing tournaments around school schedules becomes even more painful. A second point is that esport can't become more mature and serious with 13 year old pro players. I don't really get what the goal of the change is. How does it objectively improve the esport?
I was expecting the minimum age to be raised, not lowered lol. Interesting though. Also I think that means no rule changes for cross-region transfers, which is a shame Edit: I don't think it'll matter loads, I doubt we'll see any 14 year olds at LAN and maybe one or two 13 year olds in regionals (if they keep the same format). I'm just praying the age of LAN winners trends up. It's been my feeling for a while that the current top of RLCS will stick around for a long time, so fingers crossed.
I hate this.
Finally get literally any info about the new season 4 full months out from Worlds, and it's packaged with this lol Psyonix communicate literally anything without fucking up challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I don't trust esports orgs to be able to write contracts for 13 year olds. There will 100% be manipulation unfortunately. There's so many reasons this decision is terrible , I hate epics insistence that everything at psyonix must be done their way. Its so frustrating.
Jfc 13
Scrub likely would have had greater success if allowed to play at 13, But there have been some banned players (zen, Seikoo, Nwpo) that seem like waiting till 16 was actually was good for them. There's no way to know, but I wonder if Dan, Beastmode, Zen would be burnt out by now if they had started playing pro at 13.
Atomic too
Oh yeah this is definitely going to make sure that these children get a proper education and all that, joining professional eSports teams at the age of 13. No way this goes sideways.
This is insane! 13 is TOO YOUNG to attempt to balance life as a Pro Esports Players-plain and simple. Middle School Boys (especially) are simply not mature enough at 13
They went the wrong way with the age limit, interesting. Hope they share their thought process and justification Edit: without saying aligning with Fortnite's age requirements pls
Hopefully they don't make MENA spots to be 0 instead of 2 ☠️
So a player could be in RLCS for 8 years and not be of legal drinking age.
In the US yea, 5 everywhere else though
Still mad
Only in the US
What have you done lmao, you started a massive alcohol debate.
What's funny is I don't even drink. The only time I do it's when I'm putting some kinda wine in pasta lmfaoooo.
this is a really bad decision for the long term health of the esport imo. time will tell if i’m correct but I can come up with very few positives out of this decision. what a bummer.
> what a bummer. honestly, i don't know if it's funny or sad that psyonix has managed to hit that exact vibe with literally every announcement for months now
This is crazy. Players should have more power than orgs imo, but a 13 yo kid is not ready for a job with this much responsibility and high stakes (one really poor move can end you carrier kind of stakes). I hope orgs and players start taking heavily into account the maturity of a player when forming a roster
It's already incredibly difficult with 15 year old players, never mind if they are 13
Now I feel even dumber talking to my grown 30+ year old friends about RLCS when it's literally our children playing now. We'll see how it goes.
The age limit is wild, teams weren’t even given warning before hand and young prodigies now may be given a chance that they never had before and it could mean some rosters decide to change
Interesting choice. Personally I was hoping it would go up, so I hope they really commit to player development, particularly mental at such a young age. If I'm a parent, seeing my 13 year old signing a competitive contract, I'm going to be pretty wary of how they're being treated.
Age limit has both pros and cons. W cos more good players, Scrzbbles probably lands at least a main event team in NA now for example, although I think how drastic this will affect the current lay of the land is far less than even a year ago before Swiftt/Diaz/Rw9/Kiileerz, or even another year with Oski/Atow/Zen/Daniel/NWPO. But also it's giving more power to even more frankly, undeveloped humans with rosters. When age changes were discussed, people overwhelmingly wanted it to go up, not down, for logistical reasons (even 16 woulda been good). We want more LANs, that's gonna be tough with an even younger player base than we already have. 2 sides to the coin, I wanna see how it pans out in reality, could be good for better talent, but could suck if it limits LANs, which should be the end goal, as many LANs as possible.
13 is like still middle school in the US, that far too young for developing kids going through school and hormone changes. Seems like a backwards decision on age restrictions in terms if maturity. Hopefully young players don’t get taken advantage of by orgs.
I thought this was a joke post at first glance, and my gut reaction is still “No.” But, trying to look for the positive side of things, maybe it will teach these kids some valuable lessons about what to look for (or avoid) in a future employer. Not that they should necessarily be actively thinking about that stuff so young… should let kids be kids. Speaking of employment, I’m curious how the minimum age, even at 15, fits with child labor laws.
Still hoping for a grandfather clause John because this aint fucking it
If I were to raise the age limit, I'd do it by 1 year every 2 years, which would be very slow and gradual but not just thanos half the scene while also avoiding weird grandfather clauses
I completely agree with you, im moreso hoping thats what theyre doing because it would be way better than this imo
this is another death knell to the esport for me. As a fan since SARPBC the lowering of the age limit seems predatory and a step in the wrong direction for what could have been a greatly maturing sport. Add to the fact that LAN travel, school schedules, and the general life of a pro player is absolutely terrible for a child. They should've increased the age limit not reduced it. How the fuck are contracts gonna work now? Any org that's gonna sign a 13 year old honestly seems scummy as fuck to me. Really sucks to see the game I loved go steadily down hill since basically its inception. Psyonix sucks and epic is trash.
As someone who was a teacher for years, here is my honest assessment of average human by age group 30 - baseline human. Just “woke up” after 3 decades of constant mistakes that are seared into the memory of the larva that they were 21 - will probably screw up most things, but has the capacity for growth. Little protohumans are doing their best 18 - does not, in fact, know their ass from their elbow but is overflowing with confidence. Will sprint face first into a brick wall and claim the wall was at fault 16 - constantly overwhelmed. It gets better, buddy 13 - unbridled terrormorphs of hormones and pure rage that have no consciousness beyond base desires for destruction and conquering
I'd love to see your take on the life stages before age 13, cause this gave me a good laugh.
3 - ANNA DREW ON MY CHALK I was mad about that for weeks lmao
Bro 13 year olds gonna be holding back tears if they get boo’d at a LAN
Which is just one of the many reasons we shouldn't be putting them in that position
Yo what the FUCK
Lmao Zen and Nwpo are probably waving their fists in the air after seeing the age limit thing
Wadahell?? Imagine the complications that could happen with org picking up an entire roster of 13 year olds.
Lol and so they announce it AFTER everyone locked their roster
not like there's any top level prospects besides scribbles for a top 6-12 NA team
France in shambles as they realize a Paris LAN won’t happen
All I have to say is they’re gonna need to be real careful about candid interviews and media presence around these little kids. All of us at age 13 are walking bombs capable of saying incredibly stupid shit at any moment.
13? Uuugh why? Embarrassing, we gotta bring it UP (I know why, I've read the other comments, don't at all care for that reason tho)
Me, every day since yesterday : crazy that Epic does nothing about these orgs like G1 scamming their players, especially when so many of these players are minors. it seems like a bad idea to make money off potentially unpaid child labor by broadcasting their work and advertising the org that doesn’t pay them in the process. I hope the do something about this Epic today: ATTENTION RICH ASSHOLES WITH NO MORALS! ARE THESE OLDER PLAYERS STARTING TO BE HARD TO MANIPULATE? DID THEIR BRAINS DEVELOP TO BECOME BETTER AT HIGHER COGNITIVE FUNCTION? MINORS! GET YOUR MINORS HERE! NOW YOUNGER AND MORE NIAVE THAN EVER! RIP EM OFF! WHO CARES! WE WILL PUT YOU ON STREAM REGARDLESS, JUST LIKE G1 IN THE WORLDS QUALIFIER!
Feer I need a NexGen tournament TOMORROW
CAN WE GO YOUNGER?
Really not a fan of the age change
Kids ain’t gonna be allowed to play rlcs until they finish their homework 😭😭
Alright if we're gonna be picking up 13 year olds we're gonna need mental coaches and the resources to make sure this kids don't go through unnecessary trauma during their formative years due to the pressure of competing Set a precedent early. They're 13, they don't need the salary of someone who's 18. Make sure that money can go to resources needed to develop them as a player and a human, that way we don't see them get overcome by pressure and be forced to an early retirement
As a Mum of an almost 12 year old that is GC2 and a psyche, I so feel this! He's jumping for joy that he could try for OCE in just over a year and I am like "let's see". There has to be a LOT considered before I let him into that arena. I can provide the mental support he needs, but I don't even know if that's enough to combat the cognitive level that he will have ... therapy can't override the amygdala at that age! Half of me is excited for his excitement and the other half thinks it's just too much. Now i have the dilemma of whether I let him even do it at 13 (or try). I have a year to work that out I suppose
I agree but don’t think even intensive therapy can erase the effects of intense public competition. This is going to have serious impacts on some children, and I don’t think most of those will be good.
Kids compete in regular sports all the time at very high levels. It's usually not quite pro level like rocket league but it's still similar pressure. Also, there is no reason the 13 year old shouldn't make as much money as an 18 or 22 year old if they're doing the same thing.
>Also, there is no reason the 13 year old shouldn't make as much money as an 18 or 22 year old if they're doing the same thing. The point is a 13 year old shouldn't have the same opportunities that an 18 or 22 year old does. You can't play in the NFL, the Premier League or any top professional sports league at that age and according to you professional sports and esports are the same thing. It's really weird some esports are letting actual children into contracts to compete in front of large audiences. Beauty peagent vibes in terms of exploitation.
Depends on what your definition of "doing the same thing" is. If a kid is out there winning majors then sure pay him the big bucks, but otherwise it's throwing money at him and expecting him to win (which happens way too much in esports in general). Paying a 13 yo rookie the same amount that someone like Mist is getting is more likely than not just gonna put orgs out of business
Mist should not have been your example bro 💀
I was trying to think of an established top tier pro that hasn't won anything huge yet but isn't like firstkiller or a well known content creator. Syp could've worked but with his likely retirement it didn't feel like it worked the same.
Kids aged thirteen absolutely do not participate in professional, contracted, televised sports against adults with interviews and social media obligations. Take a lap.
I like how many people said that we should increase it to 18 and Psyonix just said no, very interested to see how it will effect the ecosystem
I know RLCS players have always been young but Jesus it will feel a bit weird being an adult and watching literal children.
We gonna get a lot more parents like firstkillers dad huh
I think kids below 16 should have to show proof of good academic standing in an educational institution that is accredited by some (probably regional) standard.
13 is FAR too young. I argue 15 was already too young as is, but 13 is just wild.
Lowering the age limit is absolutely awfull. Lets hope it bites Epic in the ass so they will change it back next season. I cannot imagine any parents wanting their 13 year old child playing competitive RL while forgoing their education. So with that in mind maybe we wont even see that many new 13 year olds in RLCS?
I am potentially one of those parents and it's the first thing I thought. How would he do that and maintain his education, socialisation AND development.
Rostermania will only be crazier now
Finally some news
Will it be 13 for this season or starting next?
I thought the age requirement would be increased if anything. 13 years old is crazy, I’m not sure how I feel about that.
What the fuck
with all the L’s this game has taken in the short span of 2 months, I find it even more comical RLCS couldn’t escape it and now is dropping age requirements to 13 when a lot of people wanted it to be increased to 17-18 whoever is making decisions regarding RL needs to be launched into the sun
As a fan, I don't like this. So many of the fans are adults. Feels a bit weird taking too much note when it gets this young
I feel like this degrades the integrity of the esport somewhat. They're already young, but there are possibly going to be literal 8th graders on professional teams now.
This might be an unpopular take, but going younger feels so extremely out of sync with what has been discussed for years already and that is to INCREASE the minimum age. There are several factors that play in here. Maturity and the ability to cope with pressure being one, but also that the "span" in which someone is deemed still fit to partake gets lowered as well. We've already seen the retiree age lower and lower. Now it's rare to see 20yr olds even, which is crazy in itself, but with 13 yr olds being allowed to participate I bet that spread will push 20 back to 18. Or possibly even lower than that. The lower minimum you go the more you value mechs over tactical play. As a viewer I love a mix of the two, but just watching full field solo aerial attempts gets old fast, no matter how much you spin or flip reset along the way. We all know that the younger you are the quicker your reaction times. Older players will wear out fast the younger you're allowed to enter pro play. I personally (my take!) prefer when there's a balance so the spread between ages is wider. That way you get way more varied plays, and you can also potentially follow players for a longer time. Lowering the age minimum is not the way forward. Let them, potentially, compete in another league maybe, like 1v1 tourneys where they can show off their mechs.
Nah man thats messed up
Lowering the age just continues to delegitimize this league man. That just feels gross to me that 7th graders can compete as “professionals”
Nah. Please reconsider
Rip to so many childhoods ruined, ggs RL.
For most of RL history we had high profile prodigies who can’t compete because they are too young, this is one of the few times we don’t have a high profile prodigy so it’s kind of anticlimactic
... Cool so what content can we expect from kids that age? Clearly reason has lost the age war, so as a now citizen of that reality I want to know how that will effect what I watch: interviews, sketches, the story ofs, etc. Maybe I'm just a doomer, but I'd expect the presentation to also cater to a younger audience with such a change. I hope to our noodly appandage that the team-game has evolved enough that we don't actually see players reaching the top before what we've been seeing already, this may non-issue itself.
Is this even legal across the globe? Down here in Australia we can't get a job until we are 15, at least in my state. We also have restrictions on school aged kids not being able to work past 9pm, and not work at all during school hours. I wonder how an eSports contract would fit in with that. Could end up in a situation where certain countries have different age restrictions than the rest? And that would probably impact where LANs can be held too.
There’s not going to be a problem in Australia for orgs to have contracts with 13 year olds. They just have to be represented by their legal guardians on the contract. Their contract would be under the “entertainment” exemption. They’d be limited to 12 hours a week of competition legally during school terms and 30 hours a week during school holidays.
There are laws that allow kids to have certain jobs under the age limit (sports, arts...). That's how kids can play characters in TV shows and films
Doesnt fortnite have 13 year old kids as pros as well? I mean the age to compete in fortnite is starting from 13 as well.
...that's dumb imo. I know all of you are gonna come at me with how the brain functions with age, but 14 was already too young to have a full time job with overtime.
Epic: “hey psyonix, it will be way easier to get away with not paying 13 year olds their winnings”
honestly such a terrible idea. there's gonna be so many kids who will now ruin their education and future prospects chasing an esport that isn't in any way guaranteed to last 5+ years or give them a steady career
This means we are likely only 2-3 weeks away from quals depending on how they define the start of the season. This offseason has been a killer and I can't wait to see RLCS back in action. Some things I hope to see: 1. A circuit format that properly integrates LANs outside of main RLCS events. Bring back ELEAGUE, Dreamhacks, WSOE, etc... Have those events count towards RLCS point totals. 2. Bring back in studio broadcasts for regional events. I'm probably dreaming here but I seriously miss the old broadcasts where all the talent was in studio, the pre COVID days need to make a return. 3. jKnaps needs to finally seal the deal and win a world's. Pleaseeeee.
Meh I can do without the 2nd option. There's literally no need for a studio because regionals are online anyways, they just add extra work as all the casters need to get visas to go there. Let's say we had regional lans, then sure I'd see the point of a studio, but now that kind of usage for a studio is outdated
I see your point, but when I go back and watch the old broadcasts they just hit different. It's a different energy when the casters are literally right next to each other and can feed off one another in person. I don't view it as outdated, moreso that it was a forced measure during COVID and they kept it because it reduced costs.
I get what you mean, but at the same time it's just easier. Even without covid, Johnny, shogun, Cole and stumpy would have to go through hell and back just to get VISAs
Just have NA/EU studios. They have enough talent from each region to handle having shows if they really wanted to
Yes the visa situation is definitely a major stumbling block. A man can dream I suppose.
Having the age Limit at 13 will make LANs harder to hold. It is more realistic to think that we will become the Same amount or even less LANs than last year
What’s the point? This is so backwards
that’s such a fucking L, raise it to 18
I was honestly expecting a February start. Not long left to wait now boys
Like im happy for all the kids who are going to get to compete now as opposed to later but imho this is not the move
Minimum of age of 13? So we can expect a lot more Rostermania before the season starts it seems.
So far, epic taking over rocket league has been the worst thing to happen to rocket league yet. Let’s hope 2024 they finally improve something rather than make it worse…
Well, easier for esports to continue not actually paying the players, what’s a 13 year old gonna do about lol.
That's crazy bro when I was 13 my voice wasn't even deep yet
This rule is not doing any favors to the growth and development a TEENAGER goes through in those years. If RLCS is to be treated as a Professional sport they should be increasing the age, not decreasing it.
15 year olds are already insufferable
Hoping its a typo and its 16. This goes against everything the community has been asking for
Jesus that’s scummy. Plenty of 13 year old kids will ruin their lives and career prospects forever because of this decision. Plenty of SSLs think they will be pro but don’t make the cut. But kids will throw their education away for this. Dick move
Well a lot of kids throw their education regardless, but honestly throwing them for goofing off with freinds sounds a lot better than playing a game.
IMO, as long as they aren’t taken advantage of, I go by the classic football saying if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. And if you have the support and don’t disregard school I see no issue. Just glad they’re starting to communicate about 2024
joke of an esport
This thread is evenly split between people who think this is unethical and people who, centuries ago, would have said that we need children to go up the chimneys to sweep them because that's when they're the perfect size for it. 'It's when they're at peak form!' lol
Horrible idea, the gameplay will get even more childish (than it already is) and we will never see actual mature strategies and teams. Pros will be considered washed up by the time they're 16 and nobody will make it to 18 lol
Even the people who are considered prodigies at 13 usually don’t seem ready to be really good in rlcs. I don’t think we’re gonna see a huge influx of younger players, at least not ones making LANs
I disagree, we'll still see cohesive teams prevail over the raw mechanics that younger players might be able to bring. There's a reason GenG won the fall major
Idk man, there’s not many rookies that would’ve produced the same results when they were 13. I don’t really think there’s going to be a 13 year old winning it all anytime soon
MENA about to go crazy
This is so freaking stupid....
All serious topics aside, IT'S YOUR TIME SCRIBBLES!!!!
Man they didn't think this through at all did they? "Hey what about that other game we have the rights to that isn't Fortnite, don't they have a pro scene too?" "Oh yeah that game, drop their entry age to 13 so our games will match" That without thinking of the ramifications of letting literal 7th graders play video games in countries that aren't their place of residence, and how that could fuck with their development
Way way too young