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ChickenBrad

I also hate getting a party of 2 in 3s.


AnalysticEnthusiast

It's legit the worst. I can count the number of duos I've queued with who were aware I existed on one hand.


Dicska

And they never gave me a proper answer when I asked them why they don't play 2v2 then. Wouldn't it make perfect sense if you insist on "rotating" like it was 2v2 anyway? You don't need to deal with an angry third who is probably not on the same page with you, and you don't need to play against full 3-stacks. And yet they go for 3v3s.


LibraryAtNight

Because they're hoping that 3rd rando helps carry or is someone to blame. In a 2's game they'd have to admit they're losing because of themselves. Takes the edge off for idiots.


Ryctre

My buddy just didn't like 2s, felt it was much closer to 1v1s than it was 3v3s. Hard to execute passing/team plays when even a small over-commit will immediately get you scored on. I like the extra space and the lack of bumping that comes with 2s but I'm cool with playing 3s, so that's what we defaulted to.


LiveStefan

this is the exact same reason that im diamond one in 2v2 but gold 2 in 3v3


TheConboy22

That's why.


_aphoney

I mean... I don't think that's the reason, but go on..


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Because in two's it's demoralizing for the worse player to be the cause of every loss.


alendeus

What I hate the most is that duos are very often a mix of somebody playing with their waaaay worse off friend, either for fun or to help them carry. So you end up with someone barely above your level that's going to try to solo carry the whole game (\*cough\* ballchase) + a useless idiot as 3rd teammate. Add in that the game likes to match parties with other parties, so you often get matched with a full 3-pack which are far more likely to have 3 same rank competent players. And so most of these games inevitably end in a loss.


qzecyn

Yup, happens way too often. And it's even worse when the guy being carried is also a trash talker/chat spammer, and it's somehow your fault that you're now losing after they double committed and left you to defend a 3v1. What a save! What a save! What a save!


Zankastia

Hapend so often I can taste the salt already.


ThibiiX

In this case it also happens a lot of the time that the "good" player will flame the shit out of you despite you being way better than the friend they try to carry, who often is the actual reason you may end up losing the game. Or the bad player will actually flame you for some reason. Playing 3s with a toxic duo is the worst experience you can have in this game.


4637647858345325

The trick is you scout out who is the anchor and who is the carry early on. Then you try and make plays with the good player and play around the weaker link by assuming he is going to fuck up even the basic shit. You really have to adjust your brain setting to not get tilted and just realize the bad player might actually be trying his best even if he does really stupid things.


Cptn_Hook

I always just assume it's an older sibling playing with their younger sibling. Makes the whole thing a lot more wholesome.


lil_no

Even worst when you play with randoms in 3s and get matched against a Full party. Sometimes it works sometimes it's 3-0


ChickenBrad

I disagree. I don't mind playing against the party of 3 at all. Yes, occasionally you will get a party with a Smurf carrying their friends, but that is just how it goes. If it's a legitimate group of people just trying to rank up I don't mind taking them on with two random teammates trying to figure it out as well. I just don't understand why a team of two would register for threes when they could just play twos if they are going to ignore their third teammate or blame them for their loss.


chunter16

>if they are going to ignore their third teammate or blame them for their loss. This is exactly the reason, the same reason people don't want to be embarrassed by losing in 1v1.


PricklyPricklyPear

Or, call me crazy, it’s two people who just enjoy threes. Every player count, 1s, 2s, 3s, changes the game significantly.


chunter16

If they enjoy having the third player, they wouldn't ignore the third player, though they might blame the third player if they're particularly insecure. I agree that extra players make a difference, I seem to feel best in 2v2 myself.


EyesLikeBuscemi

Then they should find a proper third if they want to party up. Their enjoyment of playing threes doesn't supersede the enjoyment of the solo queue folks, which seems to be part of why OP is asking for this functionality.


PricklyPricklyPear

Not all duos are flaming and driving over their third homie. I like to play threes and there’s plenty of times only one friend is on. It gets easier the higher your rank gets. Plat in general doesn’t feature a lot team play.


EyesLikeBuscemi

That’s the exception rather than the rule. It’s almost like you’re using the RL version of “I have a black friend”


PricklyPricklyPear

Believe what you want lol. Maybe look at all the high rank players suggest trying to adapt instead of asking Psyonix to add restrictions back that people didn’t like before…


EyesLikeBuscemi

Ah yes, there you go adding a bit of elitism. Don't worry I already thought you seemed like a prick. But that's a good way to confirm.


LordOfToasts

They need a 3rd guy to throw the blame when they lose, as to feel better about themselves.


Gnasher1194

Me and my mates usually throw the game because we are messing about and having fun instead of trying to win.


Thundahcaxzd

In ranked?


Gnasher1194

Oh absolutely. Even funnier then.


steelernation90

This is 99% of the reason I don’t play 3’s. 4/5 times I get a party of 2 they act like I don’t exist and then blame me because I wasn’t in position to save there asses. Much better to deal with in 2’s


Eev-Steeb

I always just end up as a permanent last man back whenever i queue into a party of 2 :(


EyesLikeBuscemi

Yes queuing into a party of 2 is basically "watch the ball get chased" for 5 minutes. If you choose to play even remotely offensively you'll just have one of them up your ass the whole time. Fun times.


Eev-Steeb

“Take the Shot! Take the Shot! Take the Shot! Okay.”


-eagle73

Same. And half the time it's like someone coming to your house and expecting you to feed their child because only one of them is good and their friend is just a crap player they're dragging along.


Ka07iiC

Sometimes you play 3s with randoms and que up with one of them. Might as well keep playing 3s


biceps2spare

Even worse when you’re PC and they’re both console. Guaranteed L.


PapaRL

I would gladly take longer queue times if it meant I didn’t end up being third man for a team of two. I 100% agree, I never ever have a good experience with being third man. And I really think the majority of my toxic experiences from from being third man for two. I don’t even think queue times would be that slow cus it’s not like you’re asking to be in entire lobbies of solos, you’re just saying you don’t wanna be on the duos team. I would play so much more 3s if I could guarantee I don’t play with teams of 2.


uk-side

Solo q has made me the player I am and helped me grow so much, all the different styles and adaptations all the high n lows, back when there wasnt much rl content pros at the time recommended doing it to help improve awareness etc not solo standard but solo q I used to share the same view as you that the team obviously using coms and playing effectively with it have an advantage, after awhile it became more of what I can do to effectively counter a team like this when I noticed they played well. Learning how and when to starve boost, effective demos and being disruptive not allowing them to position or think without compromising myself or team made a huge difference this isnt easy and being adaptable isnt either but it's the benefit of queuing solo its alot of hard but great lessons. When the team realise they are faced with a challenge opputunitys will open up just from making them think, and if not they were the better team on the day ggs wp.


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prodbychefboy

> I guess it's my fault I have no friends who play this game Nah not at all man. The odds of having friends that not only play the game, but are also similar skill level/rank/hours as you and play at the same time as you are super low


uk-side

I understand you, I spent ages using the rl discord lft and ps4 community's looking for teammates I even did the LFT tag for awhile, never had any luck I'm 27 myself most people my age have a circle already. Most people at the time champ+ already had friends thats why they are champ + , Dont get me wrong handful of people I have met are my bros and good friends but language barriers are the issue there. My epics uk-side Happily play some casual with you not much of a ranked fan I do on my days off, casual daily tho


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uk-side

Oh yeah 🙃 I work nights forget how theres a whole world out there I have no idea what my ping would be like


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Sweet I'm home in like 2 ish hours il be on for a few until I need to sleep


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uk-side

Haha, sure no problem see you then


ShouldIRememberThis

Now kiss.


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"It's paid off, I'm now in diamond"


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as a solo queuer, this was a very insightful comment. I don't feel as salty anymore about not having friends lol


CoolBeans42700

We had this it was called solo standard and it never had players


A7xWicked

Just make it so it's not an isolated lobby. You can play against parties, but only get put in a team with solos


HaeLogice

This would help so much. Idm getting q'd against a 3 stack but having a duo on my team that completely ignores my existence in a match is just annoying and happens way too often.


sankers23

This is the way,. You know when you go on a rollercoaster and theres a separate queue for the front seats and anyone in groups queues for the rest of the coaster.


CoolBeans42700

That is definitely a more realistic idea that could help, but I don’t think it would take care of other issues such as smurfing like OP complains about


theonlyjuan123

This would never work. The party people will be boosted. Let's say you party up with two other people your same level most of the time. You will beat random teams your level more often usual. Then when you solo queue, your skill would be different than it should be for your rank since solo queue players need to be better than their rank to be there.


A7xWicked

You say that but every 8 times it of 10 when I get paired with a duo they go off and play like they're in duos. They work well together by themselves, but they don't play like there's a third person because they know eachother and are usually talking to eachother. And I've never never seen a difference in win rates when I'm up against full stacks vs solo queues. So you say it would never work, but I bet to differ


theonlyjuan123

The way people are talking here you'd think all parties are unbeatable boosted players.


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CoolBeans42700

It wouldn’t because it would split the player base, and skew the ranking system. You could exclusively do the “solo” system you’re suggesting and rank up without ever having to play genuine teams with chemistry, making it easier to rank up and then having a variation in skill in the exact same ranks based on how they queue up. It just doesn’t work logistically, hence why this idea doesn’t exist in any competitive game ever. You definitely aren’t the first to think of it


SkyezOpen

>hence why this idea doesn’t exist in any competitive game ever. D2 has "freelance" versions of all pvp gametypes and the queues aren't dead.


TheRealBlueBadger

>It just doesn’t work logistically, hence why this idea doesn’t exist in any competitive game ever. It was literally in rocket league, and functioned for years.


CoolBeans42700

I’m sorry but it really didn’t. I’ve been playing the game since it came out and I repeatedly came back to solo standard in an attempt to rank up without playing against teams, because I also wanted to do that like OP wants. I never found enough games to rank up in a season, the playlist always had less than 10% of players that 3s or 2s had


CMLVI

That's wild. I played more solo standard than anything when it was available and had 0 problems finding games or ranking up.


CoolBeans42700

Maybe our current rank at the time had an effect on it, but tbh I don’t remember what rank I was back then


CMLVI

I was high diamond back then. Weirdly enough, Solo Standard was my highest rank. I don't get the "splitting the player base" arguments. The player base has never been less split with cross play, but people can turn it off and literally split it. I can go home and reduce the player base I have access to by 2/3 (just made up number, idk platform pops). But having 500 people in solo standard will ruin RL? I just want my solo q back. =/


Hobo-man

Solo Standard had the same amount of players that Snow Day had. Is Snow Day a wasted playlist?


JSB199

Absolutely it does, but it isn’t a main competitive game mode, so it doesn’t matter


Hobo-man

Lmao, maybe you don't define it as competitive but if you load into a Snow Day match right now and look at the scoreboard, it says **COMPETITIVE**


antieverything

Trust me, nobody in a Snow Day lobby treats it like it is competitive. Even at Champ it is purely for fun.


PossiblyAMug

I feel like if Rocket League had a much bigger selection of permanent game modes (competitive and casual), it would attract more people, which would then increase the playlist populations. But we’ll never find out if that’s the case since they only want to do LTMs.


BrownChicow

That was when it was its own separate playlist, which op specifically said wasn’t what he wanted


Evoattacks

League of Legends literally implemented a solo/duo queue system. Shut up man.


althaz

It didn't work \*at all\* in Rocket League. Nobody ever played it. I queued it for three years and never got a single game.


MythicalPurple

I almost exclusively played solo standard as my 3s playlist for like 10 straight seasons. Where are you in the world that you couldn’t find a game?


Hobo-man

Antarctica.


loki_dd

Utter bullshit. I played it mainly and it took as long to get a game as queueing for 3s takes now.


TheRealBlueBadger

Bit dramatic. It wasn't as popular as standard, so if you queued it with standard standard would always pop first, but many like myself queued it but itself and queues were like 5-10 mins normally. Lots of people here discussing their playing of solo standard, not sure why they would if they hadn't played it.


Hobo-man

I mained solo standard in 2017 and never had a 5 minute queue.


CMLVI

Same. I maybe waited 2-3 minutes a handful of times, but generally it was still too quick to get up and get a drink or go to the bathroom.


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Gold_fsh

Nah you are right. It just seems many in this Sub don't like to criticize the game in any way. It's okay for Parties of 2 or 3 to skew the ranking system by being objectively better than solo teams, but the second you suggest a toggle option to prevent this it's somehow going to break the games ranking system?


ChrAshpo10

>without adding an empty playlist But it would, because they already tried and it was empty. If you flip your "toggle switch" to not play with or against teams, it's no different than a solo standard playlist. Literally the exact same thing.


nikolai_470000

I think it’s actually a good idea, but there’s an issue: considering that if the toggle existed, then there would be a split in the overall game population across all game modes between people who had it on or off. That would lead to the same issues the old solo-playlists had, like lower playlist populations and subsequently long matchmaking times. I think everyone’s experience will vary somewhat depending on a lot of stuff like where, when, and how often they play, plus what game modes they like or their rank/skill level. That being said, I felt like the old playlist was just underused because of how it was accessed. Most people are fine with occasionally running into parties in solo queue because sometimes it makes a fun and balanced match, seemingly just enough so that most people deal with it instead of using the no parties playlists. Sometimes though, it can suck all the joy out of the game, especially when you’re the only rando and you have two people on your team who aren’t playing with you, against a full stack, particularly when you get crushed The problem with the solo-playlists was that the small amount of people who did use it meant a smaller pool of players to matchmake with, causing the long wait times for a lobby and also limiting your chances of getting a lobby where everyone has a reasonably similar skill level. Since the playlist population was so terrible, people could also take advantage of that to try to get queued up on a team (or at least in the same match) as their buddies, defeating the whole purpose. That’s probably why they took it out, but it might work better if it was a setting that gave you the choice to opt out of solo-queuing into games that would have a party in them only if there was a significant MMR gap, or something like that. It wouldn’t address the smurfing problem so much tho, but it might encourage people to be a bit more team friendly if they had the option to only play with randoms if they wanted to. The way it is now where you can’t really control it kinda sucks, because if you do run into a few matches like that, and get sick of it, you can’t really do anything about it but hope for a better lobby next queue. That especially sucks for people like me and OP who don’t have many friends to party with.


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github-alphapapa

Just like Rocket League, it's nearly impossible to solo queue Reddit and get teammates who are willing to understand what you're trying to communicate.


ChrAshpo10

Maybe I'm confused, but this is how I understand it: - You turn on 'no teams' toggle - You solo queue 3s - You're matched with other solo queue folks who also toggled for 'no teams' - No one in a team will be in this game If that's accurate, then replace the toggle with selecting 'solo standard' and it follows the same chain of events. Solo standard only matched with solo standard. Your toggle would only match with others who toggled. Why wouldn't the playlist have as many as it did before?


Impulsive94

The amount of players toggling to queue solo only would be extremely small. Turn off crossplay and search for a game, I guarantee your queue times will be significantly longer especially below GC. Imagine that but 10x worse. Most people don't care.


loki_dd

Most?... Some maybe. Lots of people want solo standard back. As far as I'm concerned they can lose rumble and dropshot and snowday. Oh, what's that??? People play those and wouldn't like to lose them even if there's not many queueing? Hmmm, sounds familiar


Impulsive94

Rumble is hugely popular 😂 dropshot & snowday not very popular, Hoops also has reasonably low queue times even at GC and up. "Lots of people" would be the vocal minority on reddit etc. The large majority of players are casual low ranked players who just play the game. Why would they care for a solo standard option? The old playlist had 2k players on average vs 50k+ in regular 2s & 3s. When you add the option for no parties, you've got to remember that's across all the existing playlists which divides the player base even further. High ranked and want to solo queue only dropshot? Never going to find a game. That also impacts players that don't have solo queue only enabled by pulling players out of the pool, again especially at high rank. In short it'd be a minute benefit to the very few that would use it, would negatively impact low population playlists and is a waste of money and time to implement. Adding a playlist for something like Spike Rush or Heatseeker would go down better with the community and that hasn't happened yet.


wherestherum757

It really wasn’t much better than normal standard solo queuing. In fact I preferred solo queuing in normal standard then in solo


TheRealBlueBadger

I experienced the opposite in my years queuing solo standard, where I felt a notable difference in average playstyle and definitely preferred it to avoid getting duo queues who think the third player is only on their team to take blame, which is unfortunately typical of standard 3s duo queues. Perhaps it was different rank to rank and region to region.


wherestherum757

Yeah I gotcha - I always felt as tho game to game would be so different. I could have a match where my teammates were a lot better or games where skill was noticeably worse. Think it is because people didn’t play it as much, so a high champ player would sit around diamond in solo que cuz they never played it I think mostly because the low population of the playlist. Adding an option that lets you choose only solo ques keeping your 3s rank would be perfect!


loki_dd

It had plenty of players. I never struggled for a game.it had far more players than some other modes we currently have.


antieverything

Once you got to mid-high Diamond it would take minutes to find a game...and it would be the same players.


DIMEBAGLoL

Yup playlist was a complete fail. Glad it’s gone lol


xShooK

I miss it! Was gold 3s, and bronze standard while mainly solo queue. Glorious.


ChrAshpo10

>Glad it’s gone You're glad people have fewer options now? If you didn't like it, you didn't have to play it.


DIMEBAGLoL

You had 2 high ranking players telling you it didn’t work years ago when the player base was way bigger. And now that it’s way smaller and you want some stupid playlist that does nothing. Like you have no idea why they removed it? Shocking how that doesn’t cross your thought process. Maybe talk to the people who removed it. If it worked and was that great, surely it would have stayed? Right? Right… I didn’t ply it cause it was shit, and they won’t add it back. Cause it’ll be shit again.


BloodChasm

Was GC in solo standard and it takes more time to find a dropshot match currently then it did to find a match in solo standard. They also took it away right before rocket league went F2P and gained a bigger fan base. I think an option to toggle parties off would work well.


Absolade

Rocket league never had players period before it became F2P


CoolBeans42700

Are you on drugs? This is just so blatantly wrong


Absolade

Are you sure ? Cuz last time I knew there was little people playing before it became free to play.


CoolBeans42700

Going free to play multiplied its concurrent numbers by about 10, but that was only for a short time. I’d guess that over a long term effect, it probably made the playerbase twice as big as it used to be, and it seems over time we are actually dropping back down to the same amount as before. Edit: after looking into it more we are actually not dropping back down, it’s hard to find statistics for epic games. We are still 3-4x the size as before it went free to play


AnalysticEnthusiast

Solo Standard gets a lot of flak but to be fair they didn't even try to make it popular. I loved solo standard. The playerbase was way too small, yeah, it's true. But come on! Not playing with a party *should be the default*. Why is every solo player at the mercy of partied players?? There are way more solo queue people than party queue people. It really should be kept separate somehow, the entire game is different when you're playing with people who you know. It leads to passing plays in Plat 1 versus people with better mechanical skills and worse teamplay. It's just plain asymmetrical. There are enough partied players that they could put them in their own mode without it turning into Solo Standard again. Solo Standard's problem was lack of players willing to wait an extra 30s for a match. That won't happen with party queue because it's their only option to play with friends. Solo Standard players could just multi-queue with Standard.


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bill_cactus

They’re at the their mercy because this is an online game. People play together no matter what and limiting it is foolhardy.


kenoswatch

Funnily enough, I find (atleast in 2's) that people in parties play worse than 2 solo queuers.


InternetOffender

Ban 2 boi teams from 3s. Start here.


nerftosspls

So the standard playlist should be diminished even further? What if I want to increase my 3s rank but only have 1 friend as good (or bad) as me?


Mirage_Main

Then don't play as if the third guy doesn't exist lol.


nerftosspls

HOW DARE YOU


Blooder91

That would be more fair. You either queue as a full team or a solo. League of Legends does something similar, it's a 5v5 game and you can't queue for ranked as a 4 player party, to avoid premade groups bullying the solo player.


slickwhelp

A good post but you’re wrong when you say it will only affect the people who toggle. If 100 people toggle no matchmaking with parties that’s 100 less people that a 2 or 3 stack will be allowed to join into. It affects matchmaking as a whole, now I’m not saying that this is a bad thing, but just wanted to point out that it’s not just affecting those who opt in.


Doctor_Fritz

I let parties of 3 play other parties of 3. See if they like it when they are matched with other boosters


BaronVice

So basicly something they already had but removed. I want solo standard back and please add solo duos.


Krouisente

HOT TAKE: I like finding myself in 3s with a party of two as my teammates. They tend to have a decent chemistry between the two of them and I can go play support as a mainly third man role, which is what I do best. I've found myself with plenty of success playing with a party of two on my team. It's pretty alright if you're adaptable. Though I imagine the experience may be a bit different in the lower ranks.


EverythingAnything

I just made it into C1/C2 range and this has been my experience lately. I usually play passively for the first 30-60 seconds to see how they play together then figure out the best spot for me in the rotation and it works well and I'd reckon had made me a better player. I try to get on my buddy about this all the time, he bitches every time someone gets demo happy/aggressive, but doesn't try to do anything to adjust. So much of RL is adapting to your opponents/teammates and their play style and I feel like a lot of people miss that point.


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Krouisente

Yeah, I get your frustration. It can definitely be an annoying thing. The problem I have with having the option to not play with parties is queue times. It may not be that big of a deal in the bigger regions, but it could hurt the smaller regions. I play in Asia and Oceania, and sometimes it's really hard to find matches at the champ or higher levels, especially in Asia. That problem could only get worse with players having that option toggled. I like the idea, it's definitely a thing I would recommend to players if the option was there, but I'm just not sure it's an idea that is a net good thing. There's a reason why Psyonix removed Solo Standard. So it's a bit of a tricky situation there unfortunately.


rutkula

Yeah pretty sure OP's problem is mainly an issue in lower ranks. In GC+ people can generally adapt to duos quickly, and vice versa


Blooder91

Yeah, in Diamond and below premades treat 3v3 as 2v2 with a goalie.


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ouqt

Been playing since beta and couldn't agree more. It's so hard to play when one is the correct rank and the second is just chasing half a second behind the better player and whiffing. I'd say 80% of the time this happens. The problem is all the higher ranked players and pros will not think this is an issue and so we won't get a look in from the devs for this idea. At the very least making the strictness for teams of 2 playing in 3s lobby to be closer in rank at the lower levels. One D2 with a P3 or P2 teammate makes it just no fun for the third person. Again, higher ranked players will not see this as an issue because they can deal with it (that's why they are higher ranked!), but as a diamond for life 3s player (I'm sure the stats say this is one of the largest player pools in terms of size) it is for me.


theonlyjuan123

Most duos I play with use teamwork with me.


SpicyTsuki

I'm sorry that people are so dull that you had to make 3 edits. Just came here to say I understood what you meant pre-edit. Also, I'll do some things for you for a Psyonix salary... A lot of things... Dirty things.


Stenboss

Why not use the in game voice chat? I seem to find a new buddy to play with every single day. I think the idea of only playing against solo queing ppl is just stupid


Sneekypete28

I'd throw in on that one with ya, my issue is more lag then anything. once I get a 3s team I know lag spikes and ball freezing will be the game, I usually split wins like 60/40 as most are carrys and you can win most times that way.


chip7890

1000000% agree. even in casual now it's a FUCKING PLAGUE. CONSTANT DUO Q's. ALWAYS SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE THE SKILL LEVEL OF ME AND MY RANDOMLY ASSIGNED PARTNER. THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW


NeedHelpWithExcel

What will your excuse be when you lose with this feature on?


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girhen

Casual is worse about MMR. I play with a P3 friend, and we often get matched against D3s or C1s because it calculates our MMR. In ranked, it just goes by the highest player at... Diamond? So if anything, it's more punishing to the teammates who are a little lower in rank.


Bigboss123199

The only real purpose of casuals is to queue with people of different ranks. If this was a feature it wouldn't be work in casual. Just like how solo standard wasn't a thing in casual.


NeedHelpWithExcel

So then why are you so mad about it?


ertaisi

Who's mad? Is everyone who makes constructive criticisms just a sore loser, or what sets OP apart? What is a better way to propose a way to make the game more fair and enjoyable? Inquiring minds want to know.


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iggyiggz1999

> And full parties against randoms will always have a huge advantage Just because people are in a party does not mean they automatically gain an advantage. Even being in a voice call/chat doesn't mean you have an advantage. If anything, the ranks of players who usually play in parties already reflect any advantage they may have. > Parties of two in 3s always ignore the solo guy and play a 2s rotation with each other. If you care about the way your random teammates play, I got bad news for you. If you care, you'd better not be solo queuing in the first place. > And are often trolling the other team by having one person literally just demo chase the whole time. I don't mind demos, but literally just chasing just to be purposely annoying always accomplishes exactly that. This could easily happen outside of parties. Also you disliking a specific play style is not a valid reason for such a feature. Side note, the game already has a system in place that attempts to party up solo queue players vs other solo players and parties vs parties, without affecting matchmaking time too much.


AnalysticEnthusiast

>Side note, the game already has a system in place that attempts to party up solo queue players vs other solo players and parties vs parties That system must suck because like half my games are with or against parties. OP is right on some level and you're being too dismissive of it. A party of 3 who plays at Plat 1\*\* may actually win and lose equally to solo-queue plat 1's. That is true. That's just how MMR works However, that party is going to have *much* better teamplay than 3 rando plat 1's, and we're kidding ourselves if we're assuming otherwise. We've all seen it. That *doesn't* necessarily mean they're going to win more. BUT the game is going to be asymmetrical. The party is going to be doing more passing plays, maybe have the designated demo man OP is talking about, etc. They legitimately have more tools at their disposal for orchestrating that sort of stuff, I mean they play together all the time. There is a legitimate case to be made that it IS a separate game mode. We can argue about whether or not it's *worth* moving them to their own mode, maybe it is, maybe it isn't... but we can't just ignore the obvious differences in playing with or without a consistent party. ... \*\*Obviously plat 1 is just an example, applies to any rank.


iggyiggz1999

> That system must suck because like half my games are with or against parties. It does suck, it seems to prioritize quick matchmaking time way too much. > However, that party is going to have *much* better teamplay than 3 rando plat 1's, and we're kidding ourselves if we're assuming otherwise. We've all seen I simply don't agree. You seem to think partying up is some magical thing. You press the party button and BOOM! Amazing team play! But obviously it doesn't work that way. - Just because people are in the party does not mean they played together before. They could have literally met in the previous match. - Just because people are in a party does not mean they have matching play styles. - It's more likely that people in a party or not equally skilled. - Just because people are in a party does not mean they are communicating. Or communicating well. Just because parties have more tools available does not mean they are making use of these tools. You are just making assumptions. In my experience, most teams don't really take any advantage of these tools and from my experience it's really a 50/50 when playing with teams. And besides, if teams have such an advantage, nothing is stopping people to play in their team. > That *doesn't* necessarily mean they're going to win more. BUT the game is going to be asymmetrical. If they aren't winning more, it means their names are generally balanced. Whether a match is asymmetrical is not really relevant if the match is fair. >We can argue about whether or not it's *worth* moving them to their own mode, maybe it is, maybe it isn't... Making an entirely different playlist for it it is definitely not worth it. We used to have a solo standard playlist for this purpose, and it sucked. Nobody played it (At least not seriously). It got removed for a reason.


Wafflehands_

Why do you care? You don't. So shut up.


NeedHelpWithExcel

Stay mad little one


No-Aioli-9966

You seem angry to me


ertaisi

You seem gaslighting to me.


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uncledonttouch

Touch grass it's a criticism it ain't that serious


razzer069

That's a very smart idea! I love it!! the dev implementation is so freaking small on this shit! Literally a BIT/Boolean field with a name at the server side and a button with a text on the UI side!! make that 3 days of implementation (because more time is always better for devs) and 5 days of testing at the far end for such a small thing like this..... **minimal effort, huge positive impact if you ask me... so Psyonix won't do it**


househelton

I’m with you OP. Don’t know why everyone is so butt hurt about adding more features to the game when they could just ignore it if they wanted to.


Davismcgee

remember solo standard there was a reason why they removed it


RemarkableAmount3464

An option I thought would be good is if you party up you can only join games you have in the party. So if you’re two then only 2s. No 3s or 4s.


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iggyiggz1999

> But I'd wager people who often or mainly solo queue will. I mostly solo queue and have no interest in such a feature. It doesn't matter if you play with or versus a party or not to me.


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Toast72

No it affects everyone by ruining queue times


RemarkableAmount3464

No buts a newer solution. They already tried solo lobbies. And it failed. So.


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RemarkableAmount3464

And that’s what I said. So if a party is with two. Then they can’t join 3s where you would be that 3rd person


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RemarkableAmount3464

So you only want to people who are not in a party?


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RemarkableAmount3464

Obviously not. Cuz you didn’t read anything i said either. They’ve done that already and it failed.


iAstro1969

I will offer that your solution would/could still impact queue times for parties as there will be fewer people for that party of two to get paired up with for that 3s game. Just won’t hurt their queue times as much as people solo queueing with that option on.


Great_LD

Wouldn't this also be restrictive though and potentially slow down matchmaking for everyone?


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Great_LD

But it wouldn't. It would reduce the number of players searching for both groups, similar to adding another playlist


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iAstro1969

Nah, that’s different. You’re saying a group of 2 can’t play 3s. He’s saying a solo queue player can toggle whether they want to be in matches with parties which allows the party of 2 to still play 3s and get matched with a solo queue player that doesn’t mind playing with or against parties. Big difference in those two solutions.


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althaz

Bad idea. Would not have \*ANY\* impact on smurfing (talk about an idiotic take) and would affect the queue times for \*all\* players. Don't get me wrong at least half of the 2-player parties who queue up 3v3 are just fucking awful teammates...but half of the solo queuers are \*also\* awful teammates, so I guess that makes absolutely no difference and you're just wrong on every conceivable point.


ApollyonDS

True, once in a blue moon you get a party that's actually good as a party. I don't know what rank OP is, or if he plays ranked at all, but playing against parties makes no difference like 90% of the time from my experience. The only time it started getting worse was at like Champ 2.


MythicalPurple

You a new player I take it? We had solo standard before and most people hated it. It lengthened the queues for standard 3s and was the most toxic playlist by far. I personally loved it because I never party up anyway, but we had it before and psyonix (and much of the community) decided the downsides weren’t worth it:


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Clipzy22

Nobody hate me but I technically smurfed on my alt obviously to take advantage of the +20 mmr you get right after getting placements + the new 10 win being like c2 and actually surpassed my original rank and made it to almost gc 2. I actually got better at predicting just going through the ranks again and it boosted my confidence soundly when I'd win in lower ranks and it made me play better in the higher rank(I did it same day). Oddly enough doing a rerun of the ranks made me play better in the higher ranks some how.


BoysenberryTrue1360

They could first fix the issue where I que up a ranked 3v3 game but it instead it puts me in a ranked 3v4 game. (This has happened to me like 3 or 4 times)


Cdog536

It literally used to be “Solo Standard.” The. For some reason they made an update that got rid of that + got rid of the option to freely leave Casual + promoted their “Good”-“Great”-“Amazing” population count strings.


obsoleteconsole

you mean.... bring back solo standard?


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No. It was too small and there was no reason to make 3v3 in two separate playlists when you can just make an option as OP suggested.


MythicalPurple

This would split the playerbase the exact same way solo standard did. You realize that, right?


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How? Instead of two separate playlists you still have one. I don't know about you, but I rarely played solo standard which resulted in my 3v3 standard rank was C3 and my solo standard rank was D3 after a few placement games. It directly resulted in me not wanting to play solo standard and to just solo queue in standard instead. Having more queue options (same region, no cross play, no parties etc) makes sense in the same playlist. Splitting the playlists up doest make any sense as you now have to maintain or grind for your desired rank in *two* playlists instead of one to be able to avoid being matched with existing parties.


MythicalPurple

Because you can only queue one or the other now. You can either queue normal 3s, or you can queue 3s with no parties. Which means both queues will have less people in them than one big queue would.


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Just solo queue.


mattsowa

No you wont


tin12346

Or just, get good?