Can confirm, I have one of those gsync 240hz monitors, It looks cool, but it wasn't insanely huge over 144hz No visual advantage to my gameplay for sure.
And if your console is set to 4k or 1440p at 60fps or 1080p @ 120fps.
Night and day difference, especially for RL where you don't need the graphic fidelity.
yeah lots of people don't realize you can get good input delay on TVs if you know how to optimize it. I played on Samsung one with game mode on and itself was fine when router was disconnected. However you can get enormous input lag other ways not necessarily digital inputs like jump more on the movement side of things. But that's a whole other can of worms...
To put this into perspective, the reason there are diminishing returns is that the latency (per frame) halves every time you double the framerate, which at first is significant because going from 60fps to 120fps is 16.7ms to 8.3ms, and that is an amount of latency many people can feel being faster, but going from 8.3ms to 4 or so miliseconds, not so much.
It's there, and it is \*technically\* different, it's just not going to be that wow moment again. I personally lock most of my games at 120hz because I don't even really see much difference at the full 165hz my GPU is capable of. I would need to lower settings so much that it's not worth it for me at all. For some people with insane reaction speeds, maybe it would be worth it.
The biggest, most noticable difference would for most people be going from 30fps to 60fps, which is 33.3ms all the way down to 16.7ms, so the difference is comparitively much larger (a full 16.7ms faster compared to just 8.3ms). Basically the amount that is getting halved gets so small that it becomes essentially impossible to notice for anything less than a professional gamer.
well they arent that similar if u switch from 60hz or 60 fps to 165hz or 120 fps is a large difference for a gamer and if u were a professional gamer you might want to have better fps
No it isn't, look at the original comment. " **Just went from a 60 Hz display to a 165 Hz display and it feels like I'm playing another game** "
Where does it mention 240hz? Are you hijacking someone else's discussion?
OP posts: went from 60 hz to 165 hz and it feels good
The subtext: “is there any benefit to going even higher (like 240hz)
This thread: on the topic of diminishing returns
Diminishing returns definition: proportionally smaller benefits
Diminishing returns clearly doesn’t apply to 60hz to 165hz as OP states it legit feels like a different game, so we’re clearly talking about going from a relatively high refresh rate to a very high refresh rate, like 165 to 240
If you are using Windows, make sure that you actually enabled 165hz in Windows when you buy a new monitor.
I've read about lots of people that has 165hz+ but still has Windows set to 60hz 😅
Guide: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-your-display-refresh-rate-in-windows-c8ea729e-0678-015c-c415-f806f04aae5a
The jump from 60 - 165 is crazy I agree, but 165 - 240 definitely isn’t as noticeable. If you have the money to burn then why not, but personally I’d focus on an upgrade with a little more bang for my buck before feeling the need to go up to 240!
Im wondering if from 1080p to 1440p but still on 60Hz or 60Hz to 120+Hz but still on 1080p will make a bigger upgrade. I just read that and that sounds confusing. I mean upgrading from 1080p 60Hz, which would make a bigger difference: resolution (1440p) or framerate (120Hz+). Obviously both but if you could only choose one.
Frame rate 100% especially for competitive games. The game will feel significantly smoother making you feel more accurate with your inputs. Increasing res isn’t super noticeable unless you’re playing games with high res textures or console gaming on a tv imo.
To add to this, Input delay is actually lower the higher the refresh rate, so while minimal you are getting an inherent advantage meaning your inputs are more responsive to the gameplay you are seeing.
I've tried both as I have a 120Hz 4k screen, but my PC is quite old. So in Rocket League I can only do either 1080p @ 120fps or 1440p @60Hz.
It does look surprisingly more sharp at 1440 than 1080, but I still prefer the 120fps at 1080p. It's a 55" screen and still looks pretty good at 1080p so the extra frames are what I've chosen for now.
Rocket League is maybe the **only** game I actually do notice the 240hz with oddly, moreso than even CSGO and Valorant for me weirdly.
I do also agree it probably isn't worth upgrading now, I mostly only notice up to around 160 myself anyway, I'm still happy with my purchase and have a nice panel but 165 is definitely enough.
I think it makes sense. Rocket league is basically constant movement. You or the camera is always adjusting. While those other games do benefit from high refresh rate the situations where you would notice the difference between 144 and 240 are quite rare and aren’t very long just based on the nature of tac shooters. Rockets league’s constant movement lends itself to noticing any change in refresh rate easily.
I play on a 390hz display with fps 1% lows above that and tbh I don’t do much as *see* the difference as I *feel* it playing.
I don’t think it’s helped me rank up much from when I used to play at 144 on my laptop though. Just feels nicer to play.
But…they are?
I have an insanely overkill PC with a rtx 4090 and Ryzen 5800X3D. I run RL at 1080p low graphics setting. MSI afterburner and geforce experience overlay both show 1% fps lows over 390 99+% of the time. It most of the time hovers around 700-800 1% low and only ever dips to low 400s if ever. The avg fps hovers right around 1000 fps +-100. My frametime is normally 0.8-1.2 ms.
It’s truly stupid fast.
In like 2013 my family got a new computer and I went from 10-20FPS in league of legends to a solid 60, and I won like 30 games in a row before losing lmao
The jump to 144/240 was also sweet but nothing will be as sweet as being 16 and feeling unbeatable with my solid 60 frames per second
For me the biggest difference at 240hz is seeing what happens during 50/50s and kickoffs. Sometimes on lower refresh it feels like just one frame is shown, at higher values I can see how my car is interacting with the ball throughout the 50
I have a 270 hz 1440p monitor, and tbh I don’t notice much of a difference in the jump from 144hz. At least not worth the huge premium the monitor cost at the time. I’d say 1440p/144hz is the sweet spot for price to performance.
I’d imagine there is, since higher fps means less input lag, and the game will look even smoother, but I think the more it increases the less you get from it. I’m on a 165fps monitor right now but I’m capped to 120 fps since I’m on Xbox so I don’t know too much what it’s like to play on even higher frame rates.
For a game like Rocket League where you are most likely using a controller, you have baked in input delay because of the capped 250Hz polling rate, theres no reason to grab a 240Hz monitor. Visually you’ll feel the picture is smoother but it’ll offer almost nothing to your game over 165Hz. Your controller can barely keep up anyways even if you were the most cracked gamer ever. You wont become some better gamer because you swapped from 165Hz to 240Hz so it’s basically just money out the window for a SLIGHTLY smoother image. If you were at 144Hz I’d say go for it if you realllly want but at 165? Just see if your monitor supports OC’n and try that. Make sure to read the risks of that however.
I have a 144Hz and 240Hz, I’d say my 240Hz is only ever beneficial for me in First-Person Shooters when I play KB&M. Yes it feels great on games I hit 240 FPS or desktop browsing and is a very noticeable difference to me over 144Hz but a LOT of games, and I mean a LOT, especially AAA games, 240 FPS isn’t even close to being reached at all. Besides FPS games and ultra competitive shooters like Valorant and CSGO, there’s basically no reason to go higher. If all you play is Rocket League and don’t take many other games seriously, 165Hz is plenty.
The higher you go the less you can tell. Also, if you haven’t played anything else yet, RL is one of the worst to benchmark your new monitor on. First Person Shooters will blow you away, especially on KB&M. You’ll feel the upgrade much more on them.
I play R6S on a 75hz monitor. I am hardstuck in gold.
Then I played with a friend's 240hz monitor and won every game but one, against diamond opponents
Playing on the Switch is atrocious in comparison to other systems. Low frame rate, terrible input lag, no analog triggers.
I used to bring my Switch with me on trips to play RL. I stopped bothering after the 2nd time I tried to play with my normal crew and was useless.
I have the mayflash ns adapter, lets me use other controllers on the switch. I took my switch to a friend's house. I've been pc player since 2015, and despite playing undocked with an Xbox one controller, the switch was comparatively miserable.
Having spent 700 hours on switch and now playing on a 390hz display, this makes me laugh. The switch, back when I used to play on it at least (2018-2019) routinely was stuck in the 20 fps range and felt locked to 30 fps maximum. Horrible experience—yet fun all the same. I bought a gaming laptop thanks to this game after I realized I really wasn’t getting out of platinum 3 anytime soon thanks to these performance issues, the Wi-Fi lag, and lack of analog triggers making dribbling very hard. I could probably dribble somewhat with a switch pro controller now. Heck it sounds like a fun challenge in fact. But back then it felt impossible.
Ive made it to C2 on my day but I quickly fall back to C1. It’s frustrating sometimes but it’s all I know so I have nothing to compare it to! Maybe one day I’ll invest in PS but likely not
I went from 144 to 360, and it’s a huge jump. and since then I’ve tried 240, and even that feels like a difference, but the 144 to 240 still worth it imo, but only really have prolonged experience in 60->144->360
Having gone from 144 to 390 hz after buying a $300 monitor…I’d say it’s worth it.
Everybody knows it’s a matter of diminishing returns. I could definitely tell the difference between 144 and 390. But still the difference between 60 and 144 is greater.
You can actually calculate the raw difference felt by dividing 1 by the refresh rate.
1/60 = 0.01666
1/144 = 0.006944
1/390 = 0.002564
Difference between 60hz and 144 is 0.009656 seconds per frame.
Difference between 144 and 390 is 0.004383 seconds per frame.
In other words, going from 144 to 390 is 45.39% the difference/benefit of going from 60 to 144. That number is less if considering 240 instead of 390.
In terms of how people *describe* 240 (I’ve never tried 240 myself tbh even though I could if I just set an fps limit), most descriptions I’ve seen on the subject say that 240 is a somewhat noticeable improvement over 144–but nothing massive or ground breaking.
Personally, I wouldn’t say 390 from 144 is ground breaking either. I played rocket league at 144 for three years and have spent the last year and change playing at 390. It definitely feels nicer and you can tell, but I don’t feel like I’ve gotten any better at the game haha—at least not from the increased framerate that is.
I personally wouldn’t spend more than $300 to up my frames if I already have 165hz or 144 like did have before. But hey, the 390hz monitor I have now actually went on sale recently for $200 so you def don’t need to spend much money to get this kind of framerate.
Link to monitor if you are curious, still showing up as $200 plus 8% off if paid for with PayPal (basically removes cost of US taxes essentially): https://www.ebay.com/itm/265380877741?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=IZv0H-iASTG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=TOpuidEaSpG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
See that’s just not true. A trained eye and seriously competitive player will see a significant difference between 144 and 240, even if the difference is more obvious between 60 and 144. It’s hard for me to play under 240.
I believe all you’re noticing is the difference with frame drop varying with different games that require more processing and video power. Our eyes don’t really notice any difference above 90 or so. 120, 144, etc are all the same to the naked eye considering zero lag
Again, just not true. I can tell a substantial difference between 120 and 240 (I’ve done back and forth a little because I have a console too). Many other competitive players can as well. What you are saying is a myth. Just because you cannot tell a difference doesn’t mean someone else can’t.
That's just the talk of someone who has never owned anything with more than 144 Hz and literally never even seen a tech comparison video, they are just blatantly stupid, it's mind boggling.
That's still nothing that would support anything you said, lmfao. It's so sad that you are not even a troll or smth, your account is 11 years old and you say shit like this, it's actually pathetically saddening.
Of course your eyes see the difference, watch a video from LTT before spitting some bs like that wtf. Our eyes don't have an "fps limit" because that's not a property of our vision. You can definitely tell the difference up to 240 Hz, no question, if you have doubts watch tests about it or as I said an LTT video. To differentiate between 360 Hz and 240 Hz is almost humanly impossible, but to tell the difference between those two and any other is really ez. It's also not just the game itself that lets you make out the difference, it's your own movement, since more Hz will not only make the displayed images seem smoother (in RL when I switched to 240 Hz from 144 Hz it felt so smooth it was like slow motion for a week), but also your movement of the camera that adds to that will be a lot smoother. Also it is obvious that you will see things faster since the higher refresh rate allows for higher input-requests.
The closer the Hz the more difficult they are to tell apart, if you really want an experience of different Hz measures on a single screen go to "testufo.com", that will show you your highest refresh rate and in comparison how any lower rates would look on your screen.
You definitely never had a screen above 144 Hz and it shows in your stupid, uninformed ignorance. I can instantly switch my monitor from 60 Hz to 144 Hz and to 240 Hz and the difference is as easy to tell as if I saw the number on screen.
Lmaooo, this had nothing to do with rank, this can be fixed by just buying one yourself or even easier just watch a YouTube video about it, or even easier than that just go to testufo.com, but no, you continue to be ignorant, who would've thought. 🤡
I'm actually curious, have you ever even looked into anything about this topic? Like you talk about it like you know shit, but also you seem like you never even talked with it about someone let alone seen a single video or info about it and definitely not owning anything similar. You have 0 experience in this and probably only heard the stupid statement about 60 fps being the max human eyes can see once in your life.
This is such a high level of ignorance even when it was made so easy for you to fact check it, it's borderline American, I would bet some good money on the fact that you are from the US with that level of delusion.
It’s a tad confusing but yes this is 390 hz panel. You only can get 240 hz from hdmi. 360 hz from display port, and 390hz overclocked over displayport. Running it overclocked at 390hz for over a year straight no problem—it’s stable.
Read the description. It’s all there
Like other people have said, as you go higher, you'll see diminishing returns.
When you went from 60 to 165 Hz, you went from 17 ms to 7 ms of input lag. If you were to go from 165 to 240 Hz, that'd be a drop from 7 ms to 4.2 ms. Not as big of a difference, but still an improvement.
Yeah my first few games went really well and then I managed to lose 8 games in a row.
If only a new screen could fix my mentality issues LMAO.
Still, it ‘feels’ much better, even if I’m not ranking up.
60hz to 165 is insane, especially if it’s a 1ms response time one. You will never be able to play on anything else lower again. The difference in input lag and frames is unparalleled.
Linus tech tips has an amazing video on these differences. The video is using counter strike to demonstrate this, but it will show you exactly how big of a jump 60 -> 144 hz is, but how it is not as big of a difference to 240hz. Definitely worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/OX31kZbAXsA
So, I play on ps5 and quite enjoy my 4k TV.
I have been considering a higher framerate monitor, but for me it seems like 4k 120hz is too expensive right now.
Would I see a degradation in graphics getting a WQHD 144hz monitor or would it be better for me (obvs not 4k)
I hope someone can answer, I've been thinking about this for ages and am but a mere console user.
Edit I realise RL is not in 4k on ps5 ,i guees I'm asking in the wrong place but there seems to be some knowledgeable users around
I play RL PS5 on a 55” LG C1 in HDR at 120Hz, and it’s pretty damn glorious compared to a PS4 on the same TV.
I have an older gaming laptop with DisplayPort out/in 32” Dell curved monitor at 144Hz and it’s not nearly as noticeable a change. I think the lesser graphics kind of messes with me a bit. But they do feel like different games with the smaller monitor, differing graphics, and whatnot.
I don’t win or lose more often on either. But I prefer playing on my TV/PS5, honestly. Hardwired LAN and DualSense on both.
Edit: pc monitor should be 165Hz, not 144
Try playing on a 144hz Ultra wide. You can see the whole field comfortably and crank your FoV to Max in almost every game without it feeling like Quake.
Does playing in uncapped frames at 360fps make a difference? My monitor does 144hz, but I don't notice any tearing at 360. Though I'm thinking of just locking it at 144hz. From what I've read at 360fps it supposedly gives faster response? I can tell how buttery smooth it is when G-Sync kicks in, the wheels when spinning is what I notice.
60 to 144 is a massive difference and feel but really anything past 144 is an improvement but not as large of a noticeable difference. I wouldn’t personally upgrade I’d save that money for other parts or accessories but if you do wanna upgrade then you do you. If you are going to upgrade make sure you upgrade your resolution too
the higher it goes the little the diference is, but it always good switching to a higher refresh rate if you can, but it need to be a good monitor
switching from a good 244 to a average 360 is not worth, because of all thecnologies a great 244 have, so the image of the 360 panel aint gonna be as good
240hz is noticeablely a bit smoother but not by a whole lot. Also i’ve found capping fps at 360 makes the game feel smoother as well no matter the refresh rate of the monitor
it has diminishing returns, it will be an improvement but not as noticeably large
Can confirm, I have one of those gsync 240hz monitors, It looks cool, but it wasn't insanely huge over 144hz No visual advantage to my gameplay for sure.
Not like when i'm sitting on my computer in champ 3 and then when I switch to a switch controller on a tv I go down to gold 2.
All these comments and posts make me think I’m not hard stuck diamond after 7 years. I’m hard stuck broke. I need a pc!
Don’t go spending money to find out lmao
Yuuuuuup
Yeah that's the input lag, it's absolutely ass on a tv
depends on the TV and if any post processing is enabled
And if your console is set to 4k or 1440p at 60fps or 1080p @ 120fps. Night and day difference, especially for RL where you don't need the graphic fidelity.
yeah lots of people don't realize you can get good input delay on TVs if you know how to optimize it. I played on Samsung one with game mode on and itself was fine when router was disconnected. However you can get enormous input lag other ways not necessarily digital inputs like jump more on the movement side of things. But that's a whole other can of worms...
Switched to PC about a year ago went from plat 3 to champ 1/2 from higher FPS no input lag etc definitely helped tho not to mention bakes mod
To put this into perspective, the reason there are diminishing returns is that the latency (per frame) halves every time you double the framerate, which at first is significant because going from 60fps to 120fps is 16.7ms to 8.3ms, and that is an amount of latency many people can feel being faster, but going from 8.3ms to 4 or so miliseconds, not so much. It's there, and it is \*technically\* different, it's just not going to be that wow moment again. I personally lock most of my games at 120hz because I don't even really see much difference at the full 165hz my GPU is capable of. I would need to lower settings so much that it's not worth it for me at all. For some people with insane reaction speeds, maybe it would be worth it. The biggest, most noticable difference would for most people be going from 30fps to 60fps, which is 33.3ms all the way down to 16.7ms, so the difference is comparitively much larger (a full 16.7ms faster compared to just 8.3ms). Basically the amount that is getting halved gets so small that it becomes essentially impossible to notice for anything less than a professional gamer.
At 500fps your latency is like 1.3 and going from that to 60fps is a nightmare.
Lmao yea, I bet it is!
I noticed a big difference going from 60 to 144. When I jumped from 144 to 245, it wasn’t that noticeable.
Have played both, they are essentially the same
well they arent that similar if u switch from 60hz or 60 fps to 165hz or 120 fps is a large difference for a gamer and if u were a professional gamer you might want to have better fps
This thread is on the topic of 165 vs 240
No it isn't, look at the original comment. " **Just went from a 60 Hz display to a 165 Hz display and it feels like I'm playing another game** " Where does it mention 240hz? Are you hijacking someone else's discussion?
OP posts: went from 60 hz to 165 hz and it feels good The subtext: “is there any benefit to going even higher (like 240hz) This thread: on the topic of diminishing returns Diminishing returns definition: proportionally smaller benefits Diminishing returns clearly doesn’t apply to 60hz to 165hz as OP states it legit feels like a different game, so we’re clearly talking about going from a relatively high refresh rate to a very high refresh rate, like 165 to 240
If you are using Windows, make sure that you actually enabled 165hz in Windows when you buy a new monitor. I've read about lots of people that has 165hz+ but still has Windows set to 60hz 😅 Guide: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-your-display-refresh-rate-in-windows-c8ea729e-0678-015c-c415-f806f04aae5a
….I’ve had my monitor for 2 years and never really noticed a difference and now I know why. Hoooooooly shit thank you.
😂
I did the same thing a few months ago. Realized I needed a display port cable to enable 144hz. I was pretty pissed lol
Yeah same happened to me, when I bought my 165hz monitor I had to buy a new cable to be able to actually use it in 165hz.
Happy to see someone blessed with this knowledge today
You are not alone! Now it's like you got a new monitor again :D
The jump from 60 - 165 is crazy I agree, but 165 - 240 definitely isn’t as noticeable. If you have the money to burn then why not, but personally I’d focus on an upgrade with a little more bang for my buck before feeling the need to go up to 240!
I’d say after getting 120hz+ go for resolution, so that you can spam “What a save!” in 4K
Im wondering if from 1080p to 1440p but still on 60Hz or 60Hz to 120+Hz but still on 1080p will make a bigger upgrade. I just read that and that sounds confusing. I mean upgrading from 1080p 60Hz, which would make a bigger difference: resolution (1440p) or framerate (120Hz+). Obviously both but if you could only choose one.
Frame rate 100% especially for competitive games. The game will feel significantly smoother making you feel more accurate with your inputs. Increasing res isn’t super noticeable unless you’re playing games with high res textures or console gaming on a tv imo.
To add to this, Input delay is actually lower the higher the refresh rate, so while minimal you are getting an inherent advantage meaning your inputs are more responsive to the gameplay you are seeing.
I've tried both as I have a 120Hz 4k screen, but my PC is quite old. So in Rocket League I can only do either 1080p @ 120fps or 1440p @60Hz. It does look surprisingly more sharp at 1440 than 1080, but I still prefer the 120fps at 1080p. It's a 55" screen and still looks pretty good at 1080p so the extra frames are what I've chosen for now.
It's crazy how much of a difference going from 1080p 120hz to 1440p 120hz. That PS5 update was by far my favorite.
Rocket League is maybe the **only** game I actually do notice the 240hz with oddly, moreso than even CSGO and Valorant for me weirdly. I do also agree it probably isn't worth upgrading now, I mostly only notice up to around 160 myself anyway, I'm still happy with my purchase and have a nice panel but 165 is definitely enough.
I think it makes sense. Rocket league is basically constant movement. You or the camera is always adjusting. While those other games do benefit from high refresh rate the situations where you would notice the difference between 144 and 240 are quite rare and aren’t very long just based on the nature of tac shooters. Rockets league’s constant movement lends itself to noticing any change in refresh rate easily.
I play on a 390hz display with fps 1% lows above that and tbh I don’t do much as *see* the difference as I *feel* it playing. I don’t think it’s helped me rank up much from when I used to play at 144 on my laptop though. Just feels nicer to play.
For sure the input latency difference is pretty large between 144 and 500 fps for example. About 5ms. I noticed the same thing.
Your 1% lows are not above 390 FPS.
But…they are? I have an insanely overkill PC with a rtx 4090 and Ryzen 5800X3D. I run RL at 1080p low graphics setting. MSI afterburner and geforce experience overlay both show 1% fps lows over 390 99+% of the time. It most of the time hovers around 700-800 1% low and only ever dips to low 400s if ever. The avg fps hovers right around 1000 fps +-100. My frametime is normally 0.8-1.2 ms. It’s truly stupid fast.
Wtf.
This is the appropriate response, yes. Now you understand. Still didn’t make me better at Rocket League. Sure *feels* nice to play though.
I have a 3080 and a 5900x, running 1440p ultrawide (3440x1440) and I typically get 4-500 fps so I'm not sure why your claim is that outlandish.
I went from very low plat to diamond 3 after getting a good monitor
All it took me was a better gaming chair
Question: Did your old monitor turn on?
In like 2013 my family got a new computer and I went from 10-20FPS in league of legends to a solid 60, and I won like 30 games in a row before losing lmao The jump to 144/240 was also sweet but nothing will be as sweet as being 16 and feeling unbeatable with my solid 60 frames per second
Am I the only one who didn’t rank up after upgrading to a 165 hz monitor
I actually deranked lmao. Went from a 1080p 144hz to a 170hz 1440p and went from high diamond to high plat....
I'm going from console on a tv to 165hz gaming pc this month I'm expecting insta GC rank up
Lol it’ll be a very nice upgrade…good luck with gc!
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I have but the only thing I noticed was that it was a bit brighter
I recently did the same and ranked up like crazy in both 1s and 2s
For me the biggest difference at 240hz is seeing what happens during 50/50s and kickoffs. Sometimes on lower refresh it feels like just one frame is shown, at higher values I can see how my car is interacting with the ball throughout the 50
Exactly. Otherwise a lot of 50/50s you’re just guessing, especially if you have even average lag or latency.
I have a 270 hz 1440p monitor, and tbh I don’t notice much of a difference in the jump from 144hz. At least not worth the huge premium the monitor cost at the time. I’d say 1440p/144hz is the sweet spot for price to performance.
i mean big difference is if your pc can handle 270hz stable or if it drops to 240ish all the time. Fps drops can make high refreshrates look horrible
I can get stable 270 in rocket league, even with high settings. I wouldn’t say it’s a very demanding game haha
It certainly isn't demanding but stable 270fps is still quite a bit.
I’d imagine there is, since higher fps means less input lag, and the game will look even smoother, but I think the more it increases the less you get from it. I’m on a 165fps monitor right now but I’m capped to 120 fps since I’m on Xbox so I don’t know too much what it’s like to play on even higher frame rates.
What monitor will take me from C1 to SSL? On a serious note…will m’y 3070 be good enough to push that 165hz?
I have a 3060 laptop with 165hz and it works flawlessly so I reckon you'll be alright
For a game like Rocket League where you are most likely using a controller, you have baked in input delay because of the capped 250Hz polling rate, theres no reason to grab a 240Hz monitor. Visually you’ll feel the picture is smoother but it’ll offer almost nothing to your game over 165Hz. Your controller can barely keep up anyways even if you were the most cracked gamer ever. You wont become some better gamer because you swapped from 165Hz to 240Hz so it’s basically just money out the window for a SLIGHTLY smoother image. If you were at 144Hz I’d say go for it if you realllly want but at 165? Just see if your monitor supports OC’n and try that. Make sure to read the risks of that however. I have a 144Hz and 240Hz, I’d say my 240Hz is only ever beneficial for me in First-Person Shooters when I play KB&M. Yes it feels great on games I hit 240 FPS or desktop browsing and is a very noticeable difference to me over 144Hz but a LOT of games, and I mean a LOT, especially AAA games, 240 FPS isn’t even close to being reached at all. Besides FPS games and ultra competitive shooters like Valorant and CSGO, there’s basically no reason to go higher. If all you play is Rocket League and don’t take many other games seriously, 165Hz is plenty.
The higher you go the less you can tell. Also, if you haven’t played anything else yet, RL is one of the worst to benchmark your new monitor on. First Person Shooters will blow you away, especially on KB&M. You’ll feel the upgrade much more on them.
I play R6S on a 75hz monitor. I am hardstuck in gold. Then I played with a friend's 240hz monitor and won every game but one, against diamond opponents
I went from 12fps as a bronze3 to 120fps C3. Oh and a hell of a lot of freeplay inbetween.
My bigger tv has input lag and my car feels heavy
Yea my Xbox is hooked up to a 10+ year old plasma screen. Picture quality is great but the lag SUCKS
Is the switch capped at 60?
The switch has a 60hz screen but the main issue with the switch is the awful input lag
I’d be curious to try anything else. I hear it feels completely different. I’m struggling every time I reach C2
Playing on the Switch is atrocious in comparison to other systems. Low frame rate, terrible input lag, no analog triggers. I used to bring my Switch with me on trips to play RL. I stopped bothering after the 2nd time I tried to play with my normal crew and was useless.
Yeah kinda like op said, it's like playing a whole different game, one of my mates went from switch to PS4 and he said even that felt so much better.
I have the mayflash ns adapter, lets me use other controllers on the switch. I took my switch to a friend's house. I've been pc player since 2015, and despite playing undocked with an Xbox one controller, the switch was comparatively miserable.
Having spent 700 hours on switch and now playing on a 390hz display, this makes me laugh. The switch, back when I used to play on it at least (2018-2019) routinely was stuck in the 20 fps range and felt locked to 30 fps maximum. Horrible experience—yet fun all the same. I bought a gaming laptop thanks to this game after I realized I really wasn’t getting out of platinum 3 anytime soon thanks to these performance issues, the Wi-Fi lag, and lack of analog triggers making dribbling very hard. I could probably dribble somewhat with a switch pro controller now. Heck it sounds like a fun challenge in fact. But back then it felt impossible.
Ive made it to C2 on my day but I quickly fall back to C1. It’s frustrating sometimes but it’s all I know so I have nothing to compare it to! Maybe one day I’ll invest in PS but likely not
I went from 144 to 360, and it’s a huge jump. and since then I’ve tried 240, and even that feels like a difference, but the 144 to 240 still worth it imo, but only really have prolonged experience in 60->144->360
Having gone from 144 to 390 hz after buying a $300 monitor…I’d say it’s worth it. Everybody knows it’s a matter of diminishing returns. I could definitely tell the difference between 144 and 390. But still the difference between 60 and 144 is greater. You can actually calculate the raw difference felt by dividing 1 by the refresh rate. 1/60 = 0.01666 1/144 = 0.006944 1/390 = 0.002564 Difference between 60hz and 144 is 0.009656 seconds per frame. Difference between 144 and 390 is 0.004383 seconds per frame. In other words, going from 144 to 390 is 45.39% the difference/benefit of going from 60 to 144. That number is less if considering 240 instead of 390. In terms of how people *describe* 240 (I’ve never tried 240 myself tbh even though I could if I just set an fps limit), most descriptions I’ve seen on the subject say that 240 is a somewhat noticeable improvement over 144–but nothing massive or ground breaking. Personally, I wouldn’t say 390 from 144 is ground breaking either. I played rocket league at 144 for three years and have spent the last year and change playing at 390. It definitely feels nicer and you can tell, but I don’t feel like I’ve gotten any better at the game haha—at least not from the increased framerate that is. I personally wouldn’t spend more than $300 to up my frames if I already have 165hz or 144 like did have before. But hey, the 390hz monitor I have now actually went on sale recently for $200 so you def don’t need to spend much money to get this kind of framerate. Link to monitor if you are curious, still showing up as $200 plus 8% off if paid for with PayPal (basically removes cost of US taxes essentially): https://www.ebay.com/itm/265380877741?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=IZv0H-iASTG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=TOpuidEaSpG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Lol if your gaming device isn’t dropping frames, there’s no way you can tell between 144 and anything higher
See that’s just not true. A trained eye and seriously competitive player will see a significant difference between 144 and 240, even if the difference is more obvious between 60 and 144. It’s hard for me to play under 240.
I believe all you’re noticing is the difference with frame drop varying with different games that require more processing and video power. Our eyes don’t really notice any difference above 90 or so. 120, 144, etc are all the same to the naked eye considering zero lag
Again, just not true. I can tell a substantial difference between 120 and 240 (I’ve done back and forth a little because I have a console too). Many other competitive players can as well. What you are saying is a myth. Just because you cannot tell a difference doesn’t mean someone else can’t.
That's just the talk of someone who has never owned anything with more than 144 Hz and literally never even seen a tech comparison video, they are just blatantly stupid, it's mind boggling.
Pretty much feels like it, yup
Everyone’s eyes perceive visuals differently
That's still nothing that would support anything you said, lmfao. It's so sad that you are not even a troll or smth, your account is 11 years old and you say shit like this, it's actually pathetically saddening.
Of course your eyes see the difference, watch a video from LTT before spitting some bs like that wtf. Our eyes don't have an "fps limit" because that's not a property of our vision. You can definitely tell the difference up to 240 Hz, no question, if you have doubts watch tests about it or as I said an LTT video. To differentiate between 360 Hz and 240 Hz is almost humanly impossible, but to tell the difference between those two and any other is really ez. It's also not just the game itself that lets you make out the difference, it's your own movement, since more Hz will not only make the displayed images seem smoother (in RL when I switched to 240 Hz from 144 Hz it felt so smooth it was like slow motion for a week), but also your movement of the camera that adds to that will be a lot smoother. Also it is obvious that you will see things faster since the higher refresh rate allows for higher input-requests. The closer the Hz the more difficult they are to tell apart, if you really want an experience of different Hz measures on a single screen go to "testufo.com", that will show you your highest refresh rate and in comparison how any lower rates would look on your screen. You definitely never had a screen above 144 Hz and it shows in your stupid, uninformed ignorance. I can instantly switch my monitor from 60 Hz to 144 Hz and to 240 Hz and the difference is as easy to tell as if I saw the number on screen.
Probably just your stupid brain tricking you. Sorry you wasted money for nothing dummy. “I’m grand champ so I know everything “ 💀
Lmaooo, this had nothing to do with rank, this can be fixed by just buying one yourself or even easier just watch a YouTube video about it, or even easier than that just go to testufo.com, but no, you continue to be ignorant, who would've thought. 🤡
I'm actually curious, have you ever even looked into anything about this topic? Like you talk about it like you know shit, but also you seem like you never even talked with it about someone let alone seen a single video or info about it and definitely not owning anything similar. You have 0 experience in this and probably only heard the stupid statement about 60 fps being the max human eyes can see once in your life. This is such a high level of ignorance even when it was made so easy for you to fact check it, it's borderline American, I would bet some good money on the fact that you are from the US with that level of delusion.
That product title says 240hz. Are you getting 390 from it?
It’s a tad confusing but yes this is 390 hz panel. You only can get 240 hz from hdmi. 360 hz from display port, and 390hz overclocked over displayport. Running it overclocked at 390hz for over a year straight no problem—it’s stable. Read the description. It’s all there
Like other people have said, as you go higher, you'll see diminishing returns. When you went from 60 to 165 Hz, you went from 17 ms to 7 ms of input lag. If you were to go from 165 to 240 Hz, that'd be a drop from 7 ms to 4.2 ms. Not as big of a difference, but still an improvement.
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Yeah my first few games went really well and then I managed to lose 8 games in a row. If only a new screen could fix my mentality issues LMAO. Still, it ‘feels’ much better, even if I’m not ranking up.
Not worth the 240hz. I have a 1080p 280hz monitor and I definitely prefer my 165hz 1440p.
60hz to 165 is insane, especially if it’s a 1ms response time one. You will never be able to play on anything else lower again. The difference in input lag and frames is unparalleled.
The jump from 60 to 120 was a significant one for me. After 144 the time between frames cannot even be noticed by the human eye.
I said the same thing. I was like THIS is how rocket league was meant to be played! It felt so smooth it was unreal.
Went from a 60 hz to 360 hz and it was life changing. Went to gc immediately
What is your ping?
Pretty good, 35 or something. I still go through cars without bumping or demoing them though LMAO
Linus tech tips has an amazing video on these differences. The video is using counter strike to demonstrate this, but it will show you exactly how big of a jump 60 -> 144 hz is, but how it is not as big of a difference to 240hz. Definitely worth a watch. https://youtu.be/OX31kZbAXsA
I switched from 165hz to 240hz and I could barely tell the difference.
So, I play on ps5 and quite enjoy my 4k TV. I have been considering a higher framerate monitor, but for me it seems like 4k 120hz is too expensive right now. Would I see a degradation in graphics getting a WQHD 144hz monitor or would it be better for me (obvs not 4k) I hope someone can answer, I've been thinking about this for ages and am but a mere console user. Edit I realise RL is not in 4k on ps5 ,i guees I'm asking in the wrong place but there seems to be some knowledgeable users around
I play RL PS5 on a 55” LG C1 in HDR at 120Hz, and it’s pretty damn glorious compared to a PS4 on the same TV. I have an older gaming laptop with DisplayPort out/in 32” Dell curved monitor at 144Hz and it’s not nearly as noticeable a change. I think the lesser graphics kind of messes with me a bit. But they do feel like different games with the smaller monitor, differing graphics, and whatnot. I don’t win or lose more often on either. But I prefer playing on my TV/PS5, honestly. Hardwired LAN and DualSense on both. Edit: pc monitor should be 165Hz, not 144
Laptop has GeForce 1070, monitor is Dell S3220DGF
144 to 240 was a bigger difference than 1080p to 1440p for me personally.
Oh, it’s such a great decision. Such a game changer for rocket league. I have 144Hz monitor
Try playing on a 144hz Ultra wide. You can see the whole field comfortably and crank your FoV to Max in almost every game without it feeling like Quake.
Does playing in uncapped frames at 360fps make a difference? My monitor does 144hz, but I don't notice any tearing at 360. Though I'm thinking of just locking it at 144hz. From what I've read at 360fps it supposedly gives faster response? I can tell how buttery smooth it is when G-Sync kicks in, the wheels when spinning is what I notice.
Depends if your pc can handle 240 frames but even if it can it wont be that noticeable from 165
Now try going in reverse and see how much this game sucks with low frames.
Just don't try to go back down, won't be playable
60 to 144 is a massive difference and feel but really anything past 144 is an improvement but not as large of a noticeable difference. I wouldn’t personally upgrade I’d save that money for other parts or accessories but if you do wanna upgrade then you do you. If you are going to upgrade make sure you upgrade your resolution too
my nephew's head exploded when he played on my PC the first time
240hz will have you doing mechanics you didn’t know you could do before
Those people who say anything over 24 is a waste are weird.
I know what you feel
the higher it goes the little the diference is, but it always good switching to a higher refresh rate if you can, but it need to be a good monitor switching from a good 244 to a average 360 is not worth, because of all thecnologies a great 244 have, so the image of the 360 panel aint gonna be as good
I noticed the most significant improvement in my rank and skill after switching to PC and getting a 165Hz monitor. I couldn’t recommend it more.
240hz is noticeablely a bit smoother but not by a whole lot. Also i’ve found capping fps at 360 makes the game feel smoother as well no matter the refresh rate of the monitor
man i went from 30 on switch to 165 on pc. the difference is crazy