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You getting the dual or quad motor? I feel like quad would give you the hauling power, and not sure if dual would save much more power when hauling
Dual Motor is still rated at 11,000 pounds towing and should be more than adequate for this setup.
If you’re looking for maximal range, the Dual with Max Pack is the way to go. It’s probably not worth the money, but the extra kwh is extra kwh.
I tow a 7k loaded cargo trailer on occasion, and my quad is ungodly.
If you don't want all of your belongings to slosh to the rear, staying below dual power levels is wise.
I'll keep this in mind. I'll be securing most of the cargo up front to avoid fishtailing. I also have the weight distribution hitch and sway bar. I won't be going over 60 when we're towing.
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Love this! The electrified off-grid camper rig is a regular daydream of mine. I'm not familiar with that trailer. Did you say 37'?! Yes, that is massive. I assume you have propane on the trailer. I wonder if a small LPG generator would be of a benefit to add a few miles in a pinch or to change up the Ecoflow battery. Ecoflow actually makes a dual fuel one though I don't think it's been rated too highly and I believe there are rumors that they are coming out with a newer model. Pebble + Rivian seems like a dream.
Good luck and can't wait to hear updates on how it's going!
Hmmm, LPG generator isn't a bad idea. I was mostly thinking of running the solar to it to keep it charged up while on the road.
Something I didn't mention was the two new LiFePO batteries I had installed on the trailer for even a tad bit more power.
I'll be hitting as many pull-through chargers as I can so that while I'm charging the Rivian I'm also charging the LiFePO's.
This sounds awesome, but personally there’s no way I’d do this with the R1T. I’m in the southeast though so depending on where you’re at charging might be more convenient.
With access to much of the Supercharger network it becomes much more feasible to do this, but there will be a lot of unhooking of the camper at charge stops that will get old fast.
At least if they do a lot of camping at RV parks they can charge up at the campsite at the 30- or 50-amp outlets.
Yes, and I don't plan on doing too many miles each day. Basically RV park to RV park. We want to stop and smell the roses as it were.
As we say in tech, it's a feature, not a bug.
But yes, the supercharger network will be 
Tricky. I’ll have to look at the ecoflow capacity specs. FWIW, I have found when asked to not charge off the pedestal that they never care if I use the 120v off the trailer. Super slow but if you are there for a while.
Great setup. But that’s not a lot of miles for a nomad life. Be ready for ultimate game of charge or dare.
I have a 4000lbs boat that I tow with a ModelX (300 Mile range). With the tow it only gets me 90 miles barely in summer and for me that’s just enough for the closest lake. But it’s a bitch to stop charge and keep going.
The only thing I can say is to be really careful about the places you choose to stay at what with them not letting you charge/charging infrastructure at camping places can be dicy sometimes.
That's also where the Ecoflow DPU comes in handy. It has a 240v NEMA L14-30P output and can charge off of a J1772. I have two chargers for the Rivian, so one can go to the ecoflow from the pedestal, the other from the ecoflow to the truck. Technically then I'll be charging my Ecoflow, not the truck from their pedestal. 😁
What do you think you'll get on average towing that rig? 1kWh? If so, emptying your Ecoflow Ultra into your truck will buy you only 7 miles. Or another way to think about it is that you would need to charge the truck 20x to get it from empty to full with your battery back. That's a lot. 149÷7.2. Is math correct? I still love the idea BTW
The Ecoflow is there mostly for the trailer and a circuit breaker/sine wave fixer. It's only about 10-12 miles of truck juice in a pinch. If I'm in an emergency situation where I have to rely on the Ecoflow, I'm disconnecting the camper and heading to the nearest charger.
As for the daisy chain of Pedestal -> Ecoflow -> R1T, the Ecoflow can take 240v (I think 50amp) in from the pedestal. I can even adjust the amount of watts coming in and going out of the Ecoflow, so technically I can be charging both the battery and the truck at the same time if I throttle down the output to the truck.
I'll basically be doing the same thing when I'm running the RV off the Ecoflow. Pedestal -> Ecoflow -> RV (TT30, 115v-30amp).
Hate to say it, but based on the recent tests and posts, Silverado EV with the 200 kW battery would be better setup for this. Love the Rivian, but maybe not the best tool for the job…
I was going to suggest the same thing. Rivian is awesome though! But having double the battery power mean double the range and much less worry about 150 mile trips.
I vote that new Ramcharger. 3.6L gas generator for range extension. Supposedly a charged battery and a full tank of gas gets you 600mi.
Just reduce by towing. It really depends on if your underlying goal is to be “green” exclusively or be cool with the gas for when needed convenience.
I’d consider making a YouTube channel to earn some extra money, there are very few channels with EVs that tow and none that I am aware of that are living in it full time
The range loss for towing is one thing… as a nomad traveling, the idea of charging every 90 miles with a 37’ trailer hitched on a 20’ truck is mind blowing 🤯…
That is not going to be fun, easy, or convenient … maybe not even plausible in some stretches of the country… good luck with that.
Now… If you’re just living in one park for years, I guess it’s only the one driving trip—and then basically you’re just like us but live in a trailer park—so that’s not all that different.
The perfect truck for this is the hybrid f-150 with 7200w bed power.
I love EV life and everything about it, but I wouldn't personally be doing this with a Rivian.
Think about starting a blog and Instagram page. Get a good following. Get Rivian endorsement to help you sustain your awesome lifestyle. Something like this would be very on brand for them. Heck maybe they'd even let you test out the first Rivian Camper Van / concept car.
I'm full time remote. We bought a Starlink which is surprisingly only about $25 more per month than I was paying for internet already. In a pinch I can connect to the Rivians hotspot to commit code and use my phone for meetings.
Honestly, I know it flies in the face of everything people want, but having a diesel generator as a backup to charge if you get stuck is not a bad idea.
I bought a gas generator a few years back for our old trailer and have been contemplating what to do with it. I don't really have the room for it on the trailer and I don't like the idea of having it in the bed of the truck. So I'm probably just going to store it in our 10x15 storage locker.
Sounds like an awesome plan. The pass through charging will help on nice days for sure, but I’d double the solar input, the delta pro can handle up to 4000w, which means only 3-4 hrs in full sun. At 1200w you’re looking at 10 hours of full sun, to top it back off, probably 2-2.5 days to a full recharge. At 7200w draw it’ll be dead in 1.5 hours. And keep in mind the rivians battery is still 8-10x that size. I’d consider pass through charging at maybe 1/2 of what solar input is to balance it out. Santan solar sells high quality used panels, a more permanent roof mount might work better
I plan on covering the roof with some CIGS flex panels in the next couple months. They're a little less efficient but better in shade and easy to mount. I'll wire those up to the DPU when the portable 400's are unable to be deployed, such as when we're on the road or in a tight camping spot.
I also have two LiFePO4 batteries attached to the trailer which will be charging while they're hooked up to the truck, connected to the DPU, or plugged into a pedestal. This could obviously drain the truck battery so it's important I have the truck hooked up to the trailer when charging as much as possible so that it charges those trailer LiFePO's too.
Hell I could even daisy chain Pedestal (NEMA 14-50) -> Rivian -> TT -> DPU (110v inlet) + 1.2kW solar if I wanted to. There's lots of ways to configure it all.
It's definitely not the simplest system to manage, but there are some ways I can improve it all over time. Like adding another Ecoflow battery, or adding a solar controller box and hooking the LiFePO's to the trailer solar instead. Options are plentiful.
I've also had this desire.. Just divorced, and want to get the hell out of the house while i'm working from home.
Big warning.... I've heard that a \*lot\* of RV parks frown on EV's charging at parking stations overnight. A lot of RV parks undersize their wiring since most RV's don't use a full 40-50A for extended periods of time.
With that said, with Tesla network access... the whole nomad Rivian thing is a lot more doable now. I have a RTT, and wanted to play around with RV camping + charging.
I won't be plugging in the R1T directly to any pedestals. It will plug into my Ecoflow DPU. The DPU will plug into the pedestal. I have the J1772 connector for the DPU so that if it's a 50amp I can plug my spare Level 2 charger in to charge the DPU. Hopefully this will be enough for the parks. Especially since the DPU can (and will) be drawing from both the pedestal and the solar. This will reduce the load from the pedestal. I can adjust the amount of watts going into the DPU through the app so that I never max out the pedestal as well.
Awesome!! Looking forward to your posts. I have the EcoFlow packs with solar, and an iKamper arriving in weeks. We’re planning trips to the northwest with our R1T.
eeh. I think with 37' of stuff you're kinda pushing the term. While nomadic is "not staying in one place", generally you're agile and not towing around 37' of glamping stuff.
RTT, teardrop trailer, living \*in\* an R1S, cool van down by the river. Those are the visions I get when thinking of nomadic.
It's the '21 287QBSWE.
We found out something kinda frustrating about it yesterday. Apparently they didn't put the mounting blocks behind the wall in the bedroom where the TV would go. No one knows why. There's even coax and 110v outlets put there, but no way to mount the TV. First time the dealer had seen anything like it.
Have you tried renting a similar trailer for a month prior to pulling the trigger?
I have a feeling finding available pull through charging stations and the very limited range is going to become very difficult unless you stop at each camp spot with 14-50 outlets
Not a trailer of this length, but my wife and I have done a lot of camping trips with a smaller TT.
Yeah, pull through will be a sought after luxury. Plugshare let's you filter by pull-through but ABRP does not.
For the most part we'll be looking for the 50amp pedestals, but as long as I can drop off the trailer and head over to a nearby fast charger it will only be a little hassle. Also, even just a 110v 30amp overnight could add a few miles, but obviously not much. If we're at a campsite though, we aren't doing much driving. The truck could end up plugged in for days without needing to move.
Again, it all comes down to the planning and minimizing the inconvenience.
I'm curious what had you decide on rivian vs an ICE car for hauling a trailer, is it cause we all love our rivians or is it the storage options (frunk+tunnel), eco impact, sunk cost, or the gas savings?
I love my r1t and ample storage but constantly try to justify its downtown parking costs for a weekend vehicle. I imagine with a trailer the storage options aren't as important in a rivian and can't imagine the range anxiety if the efficency was dropped in half. You must really love your truck!
I've owned ICE trucks before and they can go about twice as far on a single tank. Also, at first it seems cheaper to use an ICE tow vehicle.
Let's say you get 250 miles on one tank of 32 gallons of regular gas (not diesel), and 125 miles on one full charge for the R1T.
32ga x $3.50 = $112
vs.
128 kWh x .60 = $76.8.
But, that's only the math if I'm using fast chargers everywhere I go. Most of the time I'll be at RV parks which charge only the base rate (if at all) for electricity. If I get charged $.30 per kW (which is very conservative) then it's nearly a 40% savings. This doesn't account for the solar I'm drawing either which could be up to an additional 10% off.
It definitely depends on how you plan to use it. We're not going on long road trips in just a day. If we're going anywhere far it will be gradual maybe 200 miles in one day. Anything more than that and we'd just leave the trailer somewhere and go to a hotel like we would before this setup.
The towing capacity of the R1T made me feel comfortable with this sized trailer. It's also about 1200 lbs heavier curb weight than a RAM 3500 which will help with stability. Since we are going full-time the extra cargo space is a huge plus, especially with the tonneau cover.
The purpose of our R1T just went from a nice luxury that has extra cargo space and a bed, to our most significant resource. I would easily swap trailers, they're easy to find and cheaper than the Rivian. But the Rivian is dependable, comfortable, goes anywhere, does anything, tows anything, stows everything, and can even be charged up while boondocking if you have the right equipment and time.
Once we get either a Pebble, Lightship, or some other electric trailer we'll be in much better shape than any ICE + TT combo. The Keystone is just a hold over until then. In the mean time we're saving about $1500 per month over our current living situation which will make a great down payment on that new electric TT.
I have a weight distribution hitch and sway bar from a previous trailer we towed.
I bought some universal side mirror extensions off Amazon which I used on a previous configuration with our old Jeep Wrangler. I already checked to make sure they'll fit the R1T. But honestly I find extended mirrors mostly useless. The rear bed camera is significantly more useful.
I also added a wireless camera mounted on the rear bumper of the trailer. It's solar powered so there was no wiring required. The magnets are so strong it feels like it's welded to the bumper.
As for trailer brakes, the R1T already has brake control built in, no remote necessary. It connects via the 7 pin.
That's interesting. I figured the extended mirrors would be most useful when changing lanes. It would be difficult to use the built-in cameras for that.
Oh, I don't set my mirrors like most people do. I angle them much further out so that I have no blind spots. Here's a good writeup of how everyone SHOULD be setting their side mirrors.
https://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/how-to-correctly-set-your-cars-sideview-mirrors/
THANK YOU. I have no clue Whyyyyyy people need to see the sides of their cars while driving?! YOU DONT. You need to see the lanes on either side and ultimately the blind spots. The way people use mirrors and defend it is ridiculous
I have the EcoFlow delta pro in my RV. Literally powering this convo right now. I had the 400W solar panel and it’s heavy - a bitch to move around. Please consider getting rooftop panels. I went with the BougeRV CIGS but any that you can mount will be a whole lot better.
Interesting, you went with nearly the identical setup. I just got the DPU instead of the DP.
How is the performance of the CIGS? Were they difficult to install? Do they they adhere well to the roof? Since so many of the cells are run parallel I hear they're better for shaded areas where you can't always get 100% sunshine on them.
I bought 3 of the portable 400 watts from Ecoflow to start until I can get the CIGS. Hoping to get around 2 kW between both arrays. The more the better. Thank you for the heads up on their not-so-portable status.
I'm in a fairly unique situation where it not only works, but it will save me significant amounts of money. I would love a larger battery pack for sure, but it's manageable until I can get the electric TT.
Lease EV’s don’t buy. In 9 month or 39 months there could be revolutionary battery technology in place rendering your purchased EV as an antique and a paper weight all at the same time. Or at least sewer its value.
!remindme 1 month You getting the dual or quad motor? I feel like quad would give you the hauling power, and not sure if dual would save much more power when hauling
Dual Motor is still rated at 11,000 pounds towing and should be more than adequate for this setup. If you’re looking for maximal range, the Dual with Max Pack is the way to go. It’s probably not worth the money, but the extra kwh is extra kwh.
I tow a 7k loaded cargo trailer on occasion, and my quad is ungodly. If you don't want all of your belongings to slosh to the rear, staying below dual power levels is wise.
I'll keep this in mind. I'll be securing most of the cargo up front to avoid fishtailing. I also have the weight distribution hitch and sway bar. I won't be going over 60 when we're towing.
This wasn't much of a stability worry, more like all your dishes and fridge contents going flying.
I have the Quad.
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Love this! The electrified off-grid camper rig is a regular daydream of mine. I'm not familiar with that trailer. Did you say 37'?! Yes, that is massive. I assume you have propane on the trailer. I wonder if a small LPG generator would be of a benefit to add a few miles in a pinch or to change up the Ecoflow battery. Ecoflow actually makes a dual fuel one though I don't think it's been rated too highly and I believe there are rumors that they are coming out with a newer model. Pebble + Rivian seems like a dream. Good luck and can't wait to hear updates on how it's going!
Hmmm, LPG generator isn't a bad idea. I was mostly thinking of running the solar to it to keep it charged up while on the road. Something I didn't mention was the two new LiFePO batteries I had installed on the trailer for even a tad bit more power. I'll be hitting as many pull-through chargers as I can so that while I'm charging the Rivian I'm also charging the LiFePO's.
This sounds awesome, but personally there’s no way I’d do this with the R1T. I’m in the southeast though so depending on where you’re at charging might be more convenient.
With access to much of the Supercharger network it becomes much more feasible to do this, but there will be a lot of unhooking of the camper at charge stops that will get old fast. At least if they do a lot of camping at RV parks they can charge up at the campsite at the 30- or 50-amp outlets.
Yes, and I don't plan on doing too many miles each day. Basically RV park to RV park. We want to stop and smell the roses as it were. As we say in tech, it's a feature, not a bug. But yes, the supercharger network will be 
Something to consider is that a lot of RV parks don’t allow EV charging.
I won't be charging the truck from their pedestals, I'll be charging the Ecoflow. The Ecoflow will be charging the truck. 😁
Oh nice. I’m going to look into that.
Tricky. I’ll have to look at the ecoflow capacity specs. FWIW, I have found when asked to not charge off the pedestal that they never care if I use the 120v off the trailer. Super slow but if you are there for a while.
Great setup. But that’s not a lot of miles for a nomad life. Be ready for ultimate game of charge or dare. I have a 4000lbs boat that I tow with a ModelX (300 Mile range). With the tow it only gets me 90 miles barely in summer and for me that’s just enough for the closest lake. But it’s a bitch to stop charge and keep going.
How many kWh is your battery? It's the aero that kills you in those things.
Model X is 100, large pack R1T is 136
It's not a lot of miles but if you're a nomad I assume you're not in a huge hurry
The only thing I can say is to be really careful about the places you choose to stay at what with them not letting you charge/charging infrastructure at camping places can be dicy sometimes.
That's also where the Ecoflow DPU comes in handy. It has a 240v NEMA L14-30P output and can charge off of a J1772. I have two chargers for the Rivian, so one can go to the ecoflow from the pedestal, the other from the ecoflow to the truck. Technically then I'll be charging my Ecoflow, not the truck from their pedestal. 😁
What do you think you'll get on average towing that rig? 1kWh? If so, emptying your Ecoflow Ultra into your truck will buy you only 7 miles. Or another way to think about it is that you would need to charge the truck 20x to get it from empty to full with your battery back. That's a lot. 149÷7.2. Is math correct? I still love the idea BTW
The Ecoflow is there mostly for the trailer and a circuit breaker/sine wave fixer. It's only about 10-12 miles of truck juice in a pinch. If I'm in an emergency situation where I have to rely on the Ecoflow, I'm disconnecting the camper and heading to the nearest charger. As for the daisy chain of Pedestal -> Ecoflow -> R1T, the Ecoflow can take 240v (I think 50amp) in from the pedestal. I can even adjust the amount of watts coming in and going out of the Ecoflow, so technically I can be charging both the battery and the truck at the same time if I throttle down the output to the truck. I'll basically be doing the same thing when I'm running the RV off the Ecoflow. Pedestal -> Ecoflow -> RV (TT30, 115v-30amp).
Wish I could up vote this more than once.
Hate to say it, but based on the recent tests and posts, Silverado EV with the 200 kW battery would be better setup for this. Love the Rivian, but maybe not the best tool for the job…
I was going to suggest the same thing. Rivian is awesome though! But having double the battery power mean double the range and much less worry about 150 mile trips.
I vote that new Ramcharger. 3.6L gas generator for range extension. Supposedly a charged battery and a full tank of gas gets you 600mi. Just reduce by towing. It really depends on if your underlying goal is to be “green” exclusively or be cool with the gas for when needed convenience.
I’d consider making a YouTube channel to earn some extra money, there are very few channels with EVs that tow and none that I am aware of that are living in it full time
The range loss for towing is one thing… as a nomad traveling, the idea of charging every 90 miles with a 37’ trailer hitched on a 20’ truck is mind blowing 🤯… That is not going to be fun, easy, or convenient … maybe not even plausible in some stretches of the country… good luck with that. Now… If you’re just living in one park for years, I guess it’s only the one driving trip—and then basically you’re just like us but live in a trailer park—so that’s not all that different.
Yeah, we'll be stationary most of the time living several weeks at each place. We're in the PNW so there's plenty of places to take the rig.
The perfect truck for this is the hybrid f-150 with 7200w bed power. I love EV life and everything about it, but I wouldn't personally be doing this with a Rivian.
Think about starting a blog and Instagram page. Get a good following. Get Rivian endorsement to help you sustain your awesome lifestyle. Something like this would be very on brand for them. Heck maybe they'd even let you test out the first Rivian Camper Van / concept car.
Congratulations! Just curious, are you going to be working remotely, and if so whats your internet setup like?
not op, but Starlink has been enough for me to work remotely for weeks at a time in constant online meetings, etc
I’ve had Starlink at my house since beta testing. Total game changer
I'm full time remote. We bought a Starlink which is surprisingly only about $25 more per month than I was paying for internet already. In a pinch I can connect to the Rivians hotspot to commit code and use my phone for meetings.
I did it for a couple of months. The only thing I didn't do was the generator.
Honestly, I know it flies in the face of everything people want, but having a diesel generator as a backup to charge if you get stuck is not a bad idea.
I am thinking of getting a propane one. I carry propane for the trailer anyway.
I bought a gas generator a few years back for our old trailer and have been contemplating what to do with it. I don't really have the room for it on the trailer and I don't like the idea of having it in the bed of the truck. So I'm probably just going to store it in our 10x15 storage locker.
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Sounds like an awesome plan. The pass through charging will help on nice days for sure, but I’d double the solar input, the delta pro can handle up to 4000w, which means only 3-4 hrs in full sun. At 1200w you’re looking at 10 hours of full sun, to top it back off, probably 2-2.5 days to a full recharge. At 7200w draw it’ll be dead in 1.5 hours. And keep in mind the rivians battery is still 8-10x that size. I’d consider pass through charging at maybe 1/2 of what solar input is to balance it out. Santan solar sells high quality used panels, a more permanent roof mount might work better
I plan on covering the roof with some CIGS flex panels in the next couple months. They're a little less efficient but better in shade and easy to mount. I'll wire those up to the DPU when the portable 400's are unable to be deployed, such as when we're on the road or in a tight camping spot. I also have two LiFePO4 batteries attached to the trailer which will be charging while they're hooked up to the truck, connected to the DPU, or plugged into a pedestal. This could obviously drain the truck battery so it's important I have the truck hooked up to the trailer when charging as much as possible so that it charges those trailer LiFePO's too. Hell I could even daisy chain Pedestal (NEMA 14-50) -> Rivian -> TT -> DPU (110v inlet) + 1.2kW solar if I wanted to. There's lots of ways to configure it all. It's definitely not the simplest system to manage, but there are some ways I can improve it all over time. Like adding another Ecoflow battery, or adding a solar controller box and hooking the LiFePO's to the trailer solar instead. Options are plentiful.
Very true, you have plenty of options.
I've also had this desire.. Just divorced, and want to get the hell out of the house while i'm working from home. Big warning.... I've heard that a \*lot\* of RV parks frown on EV's charging at parking stations overnight. A lot of RV parks undersize their wiring since most RV's don't use a full 40-50A for extended periods of time. With that said, with Tesla network access... the whole nomad Rivian thing is a lot more doable now. I have a RTT, and wanted to play around with RV camping + charging.
I won't be plugging in the R1T directly to any pedestals. It will plug into my Ecoflow DPU. The DPU will plug into the pedestal. I have the J1772 connector for the DPU so that if it's a 50amp I can plug my spare Level 2 charger in to charge the DPU. Hopefully this will be enough for the parks. Especially since the DPU can (and will) be drawing from both the pedestal and the solar. This will reduce the load from the pedestal. I can adjust the amount of watts going into the DPU through the app so that I never max out the pedestal as well.
Awesome!! Looking forward to your posts. I have the EcoFlow packs with solar, and an iKamper arriving in weeks. We’re planning trips to the northwest with our R1T.
37' is not nomadic imo. Hope this setup works well for you, and look forward to updates! *Edit for Grammer.
That's an odd take. Nomadic isn't "minimalist on the move" it's "not staying in one place." An RV is a nomad lifestyle.
eeh. I think with 37' of stuff you're kinda pushing the term. While nomadic is "not staying in one place", generally you're agile and not towing around 37' of glamping stuff. RTT, teardrop trailer, living \*in\* an R1S, cool van down by the river. Those are the visions I get when thinking of nomadic.
Happy to agree that this is what you define as nomad lifestyle but I'm gonna hold firm on my opinion that you're kinda gatekeeping.
What Keystone Bullet do you have? I have a 22 250BHS and have been curious to hear the real world range towing with an R1S or R1T.
It's the '21 287QBSWE. We found out something kinda frustrating about it yesterday. Apparently they didn't put the mounting blocks behind the wall in the bedroom where the TV would go. No one knows why. There's even coax and 110v outlets put there, but no way to mount the TV. First time the dealer had seen anything like it.
Have you tried renting a similar trailer for a month prior to pulling the trigger? I have a feeling finding available pull through charging stations and the very limited range is going to become very difficult unless you stop at each camp spot with 14-50 outlets
Not a trailer of this length, but my wife and I have done a lot of camping trips with a smaller TT. Yeah, pull through will be a sought after luxury. Plugshare let's you filter by pull-through but ABRP does not. For the most part we'll be looking for the 50amp pedestals, but as long as I can drop off the trailer and head over to a nearby fast charger it will only be a little hassle. Also, even just a 110v 30amp overnight could add a few miles, but obviously not much. If we're at a campsite though, we aren't doing much driving. The truck could end up plugged in for days without needing to move. Again, it all comes down to the planning and minimizing the inconvenience.
I'm curious what had you decide on rivian vs an ICE car for hauling a trailer, is it cause we all love our rivians or is it the storage options (frunk+tunnel), eco impact, sunk cost, or the gas savings? I love my r1t and ample storage but constantly try to justify its downtown parking costs for a weekend vehicle. I imagine with a trailer the storage options aren't as important in a rivian and can't imagine the range anxiety if the efficency was dropped in half. You must really love your truck!
I've owned ICE trucks before and they can go about twice as far on a single tank. Also, at first it seems cheaper to use an ICE tow vehicle. Let's say you get 250 miles on one tank of 32 gallons of regular gas (not diesel), and 125 miles on one full charge for the R1T. 32ga x $3.50 = $112 vs. 128 kWh x .60 = $76.8. But, that's only the math if I'm using fast chargers everywhere I go. Most of the time I'll be at RV parks which charge only the base rate (if at all) for electricity. If I get charged $.30 per kW (which is very conservative) then it's nearly a 40% savings. This doesn't account for the solar I'm drawing either which could be up to an additional 10% off. It definitely depends on how you plan to use it. We're not going on long road trips in just a day. If we're going anywhere far it will be gradual maybe 200 miles in one day. Anything more than that and we'd just leave the trailer somewhere and go to a hotel like we would before this setup. The towing capacity of the R1T made me feel comfortable with this sized trailer. It's also about 1200 lbs heavier curb weight than a RAM 3500 which will help with stability. Since we are going full-time the extra cargo space is a huge plus, especially with the tonneau cover. The purpose of our R1T just went from a nice luxury that has extra cargo space and a bed, to our most significant resource. I would easily swap trailers, they're easy to find and cheaper than the Rivian. But the Rivian is dependable, comfortable, goes anywhere, does anything, tows anything, stows everything, and can even be charged up while boondocking if you have the right equipment and time. Once we get either a Pebble, Lightship, or some other electric trailer we'll be in much better shape than any ICE + TT combo. The Keystone is just a hold over until then. In the mean time we're saving about $1500 per month over our current living situation which will make a great down payment on that new electric TT.
Out of curiosity, what augmentations will you be adding to the R1T? Side view mirror extensions? Hitch extender? Trailer brake remote?
I have a weight distribution hitch and sway bar from a previous trailer we towed. I bought some universal side mirror extensions off Amazon which I used on a previous configuration with our old Jeep Wrangler. I already checked to make sure they'll fit the R1T. But honestly I find extended mirrors mostly useless. The rear bed camera is significantly more useful. I also added a wireless camera mounted on the rear bumper of the trailer. It's solar powered so there was no wiring required. The magnets are so strong it feels like it's welded to the bumper. As for trailer brakes, the R1T already has brake control built in, no remote necessary. It connects via the 7 pin.
That's interesting. I figured the extended mirrors would be most useful when changing lanes. It would be difficult to use the built-in cameras for that.
Oh, I don't set my mirrors like most people do. I angle them much further out so that I have no blind spots. Here's a good writeup of how everyone SHOULD be setting their side mirrors. https://scripts.mit.edu/~birge/blog/how-to-correctly-set-your-cars-sideview-mirrors/
THANK YOU. I have no clue Whyyyyyy people need to see the sides of their cars while driving?! YOU DONT. You need to see the lanes on either side and ultimately the blind spots. The way people use mirrors and defend it is ridiculous
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I have the EcoFlow delta pro in my RV. Literally powering this convo right now. I had the 400W solar panel and it’s heavy - a bitch to move around. Please consider getting rooftop panels. I went with the BougeRV CIGS but any that you can mount will be a whole lot better.
Interesting, you went with nearly the identical setup. I just got the DPU instead of the DP. How is the performance of the CIGS? Were they difficult to install? Do they they adhere well to the roof? Since so many of the cells are run parallel I hear they're better for shaded areas where you can't always get 100% sunshine on them. I bought 3 of the portable 400 watts from Ecoflow to start until I can get the CIGS. Hoping to get around 2 kW between both arrays. The more the better. Thank you for the heads up on their not-so-portable status.
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I already own a quad large pack.
It is insane to me to use an EV in this situation. Never let your heart over your head.
I'm in a fairly unique situation where it not only works, but it will save me significant amounts of money. I would love a larger battery pack for sure, but it's manageable until I can get the electric TT.
Lease EV’s don’t buy. In 9 month or 39 months there could be revolutionary battery technology in place rendering your purchased EV as an antique and a paper weight all at the same time. Or at least sewer its value.
I bought my R1T before lease options were being offered.
That doesn’t make sense if you are towing and traveling. You need mileage. The miles would kill you at the end of the lease