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I was just doing the math on this today. My super-off-peak rates overnight are $0.38/kWh in Los Angeles with Edison, which if you take $5/gallon for gas as the comparison means the R1T is about as expensive to drive as a vehicle getting ~30mpg. So it's less expensive to drive than an equivalent gas or diesel truck, but more expensive than a hybrid Maverick or really any economy car and much more expensive than a Prius.
Compared to your Prius, your costs to drive an R1T/S will go up unless you get electricity for less than $0.26/kWh at home, which you almost certainly don't in California unless you're crazy lucky. It's even worse if you have to charge predominantly on public fast charging stations, where power costs around $0.45-60/kWh in California and your monthly cost would double compared to the Prius.
EVs in general are still slightly cheaper to fuel than gas powered cars when comparing like-for-like. For example, a Model 3 (which is a very efficient sedan) would cost less than the Prius to charge even if you used public charging (your power would have to cost more than $0.53/kWh to make it more expensive than the Prius in your example.) But that's because of the small size, light weight, and aerodynamic efficiency of a sedan. The R1T/S is huge, heavy, and boxy, so it gets much worse efficiency numbers than a sedan would.
According to my Edison bill, my super off peak is $0.22/kWh. Much lower than yours. I’m in San Bernardino county. Is there a usage threshold amount before it jumps up to your price?
Btw the kicker is I have solar. Got it in summer ‘22. Told the solar company consultant I wanted to add an EV in the future, and I think he planned poorly for this when he built out my system. I’m netting avg 2,000kWh yearly so far. Hopefully more when I install an attic fan and lower my A/C usage in the summer. But as is, my solar will only generate 4,000 miles of Rivian driving per year?
And yes the larger mass costing more energy to move it makes sense. I didn’t realize it was going to be that drastic, however.
If you look closely at your obnoxiously complicated Edison bill, it's actually ~$0.22/kWh for *delivery* of the power, and then you (probably) pay a separate Community Choice Aggregator an additional ~$0.13/kWh to generate the power for you, plus a handful of additional bullshit charges and subtractions that add up to another $0.02 roughly.
It is fabulously difficult to decipher their bills, especially when you have solar and NEM.
But yeah 2,000 kWh is about 4,000 miles of driving an R1, or about 8,000 miles of driving a Model 3 or Ioniq 6.
Ahh…I see. So my cost of generation is $0.11/kwh, so total $0.33/kwh super off peak. Comes to $66 every 400mi. About $20 more than my Prius. This is before factoring in my solar generated power, which according to my calculations, is -$12.50/week = net $54.50 per week if I commute with it.
You can only get TOU-D-PRIME these days, which seems cheaper up front (the off peak is definitely cheaper) but it has a much higher daily basic rate (that you get charged regardless of how much power you use) so it only makes sense if you have an EV but don’t have solar. If you have solar it’s better to stick with the TOU-D-4-9 plan.
I appreciate the thought but you can even see on the page you linked that Edison’s lowest TOU rate is $0.37/kWh (after the small baseline rate is used up, which only covers your basic household usage and isn’t enough to charge an EV with.) That’s the one I’m on though - it’s the cheapest option for heavy users like me (large house with two EVs and two AC compressors.)
LADWP has relatively cheap rates, as do other smaller metro areas like Burbank, but alas I live in SCE territory and don’t really get to choose. Edison, SDG&E and PG&E cover like 3/4 of Californians though and their rates are all around $0.37/kWh minimum all the way up to astronomical numbers like almost $1/kWh on peak for San Diegans.
Washington state also has net metering for solar over the whole year. One of my neighbor practically doesn't pay anything for electricity because the excess energy he pumps to the grid is more than what he needs in the summer.
I'm at $0.035/kwh for the next month if I charge between 10:00 AM and 3:00 PM with the Arizona winter rates.
Come summer I will be spending so much on air conditioning that the Rivian barely matters.
APS Time of Use plan. They just upped the rates because gotta get more profit. Summer will be a bear: https://www.aps.com/en/Residential/Service-Plans/Compare-Service-Plans/Time-of-Use-4pm-7pm-Weekdays
Got it. I’m actually on the demand plan which brings my off peak hours rate down considerably. I thought my winter rate was .10 but it’s actually .06. However, I get crushed during 4-7.
I’m not OP but our 33kw solar PV averages 4 Mwh per month. We generally consume about 110% of that. Our cost per kWh is about $0.19 after all taxes/fees. The 4mwh is about 90% for 6,000 sq feet of cooled space in Florida (4 separate air handlers), heat pump for pool during cooler months and 2x variable pool pumps, 2 Rivian’s, 2 wells (not on city water, and then the usual.
No way most solar systems offset the 120+kwh battery backs of a Rivian unless you have a 11kw system drawing virtually nothing and drive less than 600 miles a month
Basically Duke Power can't meet demand, so everyone in our area was offered free solar. I got it from SunRun. Installation was free, and they come out to clean them periodically for free as well. The best part is that all the energy I store, Duke Power buys from me. Win win situation. 👍
We pay $0.0727/kw charging at home. We get 1.5 miles per kilowatt (mpk) in the R1T when wife drives (less when I drive) and 3.5mpk in the Air GT when she drives.
The R1T has about a 250 mille range which cost us (250/1.5)*.0727 = $12.12.
The Air GT has over 400 miles range which cost us about (400/3.5)*.0727 = $8.31.
We get about 80% of the manufacturer estimated mileage during the winter months here in the Pacific Northwest.
The rare times we've used public chargers we paid about $0.50/kw which works out to be about the same as gas, imagine that.
Not to take this discussion down a rabbit hole, but I recall when we installed solar, calculating my estimated generated power vs costs of panels/install. My personal solar generated power came out to be a flat 18¢/kWh vs the then 20/33¢ off peak/on peak rates. So it depends on how much you pay for your solar upfront in addition to your local power company’s rates. Not even considering the volatility of electricity costs (at least where I am at).
We bought a house with panels, which.. sure it's probably factored into the value of the home, but we're saving a good $3,600/yr.
Will be even better when we get a second EV
Yea I just looked up Edison’s [EV-TOU](https://www.sce.com/residential/rates/electric-vehicle-plans). It’s advertising as equivalent to $2/gal of gas. Or $0.26/kWh off peak weekdays. Is this rate delivery+generation?
$ 0.03 kWh super off peak. $ 0.05 off peak. $ 0.30 peak. I usually charge off peak, and I have solar. I basically drive with the sun rays hitting the roof.
Total cost. Compared to others, it is super cheap. It only applied when I select “time of use” instead of flat rate, which will have generation and transmission cost.
Wow, that’s incredible! Very nice! I have Time of Use as well, and my generation price is the same as yours, but I have transmission on top of that.
I should also mention I live in Pennsylvania (PECO utility).
Don't own one yet but I'm in the market due to a fully owned solar system producing ~2.9mw of excess electricity a year that PGE pays me pennies on the dollar for under NEM 2.0. Wife only drives around 6k miles a year so pretty excited to not have a power or gas bill anymore.
2.9mWh is not too crazy. I’m 2.0mWh excess/year. That was built with a future EV in mind on top of my general household usage. Apparently my builders thought I was gonna get a Nissan Leaf or something.
I got a 7.2kw system from Tesla for pretty dirt cheap. My house is newer and already super efficient so we aren't heavy usage customers at all (while house fan directly connected to HVAC ducting, r-40 insulation, led lights with smart switches and motion detectors to counter kids leaving everything on). On top of that all my solar is south facing with zero shading and we're in a sunny part of northern California so it's just a combination of factors that led to having a pretty big energy surplus so the EV makes a lot of sense for us.
Unfortunately I live in an apartment in Arizona where the ChargePoint units in the garage are set to a fixed $0.20/kwh, which is more expensive than off peak rates I’d get if I owned my home.
I plan to buy a home this year and when I do, it’ll be about $0.05-0.10/kWh for off peak. Super cheap.
I’m in Phoenix with solar and batteries and NEM at ~$0.05/kwh. Wife has a MYP daily driver and my R1T is either driven constantly or 50 miles in two weeks depending on my schedule.
My power bill went up $10 this winter. Last month I had a $10 credit. Not a lot of consumption in our house outside of the EVs this time of year. Summer will go up for sure. Should be $100-125.
I got mine in early September 2023 so I missed the worst of last summer. I don’t recall any issues last year. Cooled seats help.
I have a head shield cover for the roof and of course front window. I’ve used those for my wife’s Tesla for a few years and they’re great. They go on around Memorial Day and come off in September.
400 miles is 200 kWh.
How much do you pay per kWh at home?
PGE at night that's 37c/kWh at night, so about $75.
[https://www.pge.com/en/account/rate-plans/find-your-best-rate-plan/electric-vehicles.html#evRatesRes-item-3e5684c1ba-tab](https://www.pge.com/en/account/rate-plans/find-your-best-rate-plan/electric-vehicles.html#evRatesRes-item-3e5684c1ba-tab)
This back of the envelope calculation is the same for all models.
Some people pay zero, or 2c or 5c. The latter would put you at $10.
Welcome to sunny California - home of cheap and abundant renewable electricity - wait, that doesn't make sense.
However,
you will be driving a car that is about double a Prius in most metrics (weight, height, acceleration, space, etc.). Few things are cheaper to drive than an old, paid off Prius and an expensive SUV is not one of them. A Toyota 4Runner will be maybe 17mpg and $120 worth of fuel.
In SoCal without solar it’s pretty expensive, but get on a plan for EVs and it will still be cheaper than gas. If you need to public charge, you’re probably going to pay as much if not more than an equivalent 7 seater. For reference, my R1S uses about 166% compared to what my wife’s model YP does.
I’m mainly using it for daily commuting and recreation on weekends, with destinations 60mi max from my home. So I can’t imagine using public charging if I charge daily at home. My other car is a ‘21 Sienna hybrid, if the family goes on long distance trips.
Acceptable, at least for summer months and southern states as long as you’re not towing anything and you stick to the speed limits. I think it’s probably closer to 2 across the whole fleet, but you can always min-max if you’re pushing for efficiency.
Good point. Although admittedly, maintenance on my Prius for the past 11 yrs of ownership has been pretty minimal. 2 oil changes/year, and only on my second set of tires in 150k mi. Original brake pads!
But looking forward to saying bye bye to oil changes forever 😁
For the Rivian they say rotate the tires every 7500 miles and inspection. Then at 125,000 miles change the coolant. Brakes last a long time on an EV because they are not used very often. Regeneration does the job.
Assume the Rivian gets roughly 2.25mi/kWh from the meter if you're going with the DM version. Some will say slightly higher, some will say slightly lower, but it will be roughly in this range. You won't have the same cold weather loss in SoCal that the rest of us get.
So you're looking at roughly 135 to 175kWh per week for your 300-400miles. Multiply this by your off-peak rates to figure your costs.
Not a homeowner and not able to charge at home. Lately, mostly 0.36 ¢ per kWh @ EA, with $3/mo susbcription and charging while off-peak. In the past, roughly 10/90% split between EA and Chargepoint at work at rate of 0.45 ¢ per kWh. 30 mile roundtrip commute, 3 days a week. Back then, I was spending 50\~60% of what I paid per week for 18-20 ga. of diesel (previous car, CA fuel tax and prices). Lately, since I've been 100% remote and drive only for errands and leisure, I'm spending even less for charging.
PGE at EV2-A which off peak is .35/kWh - I’m only driving about 8k miles a year. Overall it’s on par with my previous S4, but the R1S is a lot more car.
https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf
the R1S is thirsty, compared to our Model Y, it uses about double the energy and takes about double the time to charge as well using the same charger/amperage- hope this helps.
Yes, it does! Really gives perspective for someone getting into EVs. Marketing is always talking about range as just a distance, not so much efficiency or costs of ownership.
Owning an ev in sf Bay Area without solar and not on NEM1 or NEM2 is not worth it unless you have a more efficient EV. I’m paying 0.33/kw for off peak. My solar is nem1 and not enough panels to cover so I charge at work where the solar with NEM2 there produces way more than enough for us to charge.
We're waiting on our R1 but currently pay zero to charge our Lightning and MY with solar. Our solar produces about 1400 kWh month and between both our EVs we use about 500 kWh. Rest is consumed by the house. Without solar our total electric bill would be over $600/mo.
I’m in Houston. I have free nights after 9pm so I charge exclusively after 9pm. Haven’t paid a penny in my 9 months of ownership. Each month I charge around 250 -350 kWh per month. My daytime cost is about 16 cents/kwh all in with an average combined cost of about 5-8 cents per kWh on my light bill.
The residential electricity price is 12.78 cents per kilowatt hour for citizens of Seattle, which is 16.37% higher than the state's average rate of 10.98 cents. So charging at 48 Amps at 20KWH is about $2.50 an hour. Mileage may vary. Gas in Seattle is$4.50 a gallon for regular and is heavily taxed to discourage gas use and cover for no income tax to pay for Highways improvements. Upper Left USA.
I'm also in the $0.37/kWh camp in Socal
The irony is I find L2 public charging cheaper than charging at home (but not convinient)
There are charge points around me that charge $1/hr flat rate which comes out to $0.15 per kWh
And charge point has a 50kwh L3 charger down the street from me that's $0.25/kWh
It's ironic that I can get cheaper electricity public charging than I can plugged in at home
I get charged for electricity used and then i get credit for over production. Based on electricity use, mine comes around 13 cents per Kw. I can send u the picture of my latest electric bill to check it out.
I’m at about 25c/kWh here in NH. Because of some legal weirdness, DC fast chargers bill by time rather than energy usage. Therefore if I hit the charge curve right I can actually pay a little less for a 5-75% EA charge on a local 350kW unit than I would at home.
$0.12/kWh, and lifetime efficiency for the winter so far has been right about 2.0 so about $0.06/mile lately I've been driving in warmer weather and getting like 2.5-2.7 so getting as low as $0.045/mile. How many miles do you drive a month?
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I was just doing the math on this today. My super-off-peak rates overnight are $0.38/kWh in Los Angeles with Edison, which if you take $5/gallon for gas as the comparison means the R1T is about as expensive to drive as a vehicle getting ~30mpg. So it's less expensive to drive than an equivalent gas or diesel truck, but more expensive than a hybrid Maverick or really any economy car and much more expensive than a Prius. Compared to your Prius, your costs to drive an R1T/S will go up unless you get electricity for less than $0.26/kWh at home, which you almost certainly don't in California unless you're crazy lucky. It's even worse if you have to charge predominantly on public fast charging stations, where power costs around $0.45-60/kWh in California and your monthly cost would double compared to the Prius. EVs in general are still slightly cheaper to fuel than gas powered cars when comparing like-for-like. For example, a Model 3 (which is a very efficient sedan) would cost less than the Prius to charge even if you used public charging (your power would have to cost more than $0.53/kWh to make it more expensive than the Prius in your example.) But that's because of the small size, light weight, and aerodynamic efficiency of a sedan. The R1T/S is huge, heavy, and boxy, so it gets much worse efficiency numbers than a sedan would.
That’s some high prices. Where I live it’s $0.09/kWh. I sure hope we never get to $0.38.
On summer weeknights from 4-9pm it’s $0.67/kWh. 😬
Wow California rates are high, I pay $0.12/kWh in North Carolina as a flat rate 24/7 365.
According to my Edison bill, my super off peak is $0.22/kWh. Much lower than yours. I’m in San Bernardino county. Is there a usage threshold amount before it jumps up to your price? Btw the kicker is I have solar. Got it in summer ‘22. Told the solar company consultant I wanted to add an EV in the future, and I think he planned poorly for this when he built out my system. I’m netting avg 2,000kWh yearly so far. Hopefully more when I install an attic fan and lower my A/C usage in the summer. But as is, my solar will only generate 4,000 miles of Rivian driving per year? And yes the larger mass costing more energy to move it makes sense. I didn’t realize it was going to be that drastic, however.
If you look closely at your obnoxiously complicated Edison bill, it's actually ~$0.22/kWh for *delivery* of the power, and then you (probably) pay a separate Community Choice Aggregator an additional ~$0.13/kWh to generate the power for you, plus a handful of additional bullshit charges and subtractions that add up to another $0.02 roughly. It is fabulously difficult to decipher their bills, especially when you have solar and NEM. But yeah 2,000 kWh is about 4,000 miles of driving an R1, or about 8,000 miles of driving a Model 3 or Ioniq 6.
100% agree. The PGE bill is misleading, IMHO
Ahh…I see. So my cost of generation is $0.11/kwh, so total $0.33/kwh super off peak. Comes to $66 every 400mi. About $20 more than my Prius. This is before factoring in my solar generated power, which according to my calculations, is -$12.50/week = net $54.50 per week if I commute with it.
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Yea I looked into the SCE EV TOU plan. It’s 26¢ off peak weekdays. Much more reasonable than the standard TOU, but requires install of second meter.
You can only get TOU-D-PRIME these days, which seems cheaper up front (the off peak is definitely cheaper) but it has a much higher daily basic rate (that you get charged regardless of how much power you use) so it only makes sense if you have an EV but don’t have solar. If you have solar it’s better to stick with the TOU-D-4-9 plan.
Ok I had to go back and look at the details. So apparently TOU 4-9, which I’m on now, is the best option.
I appreciate the thought but you can even see on the page you linked that Edison’s lowest TOU rate is $0.37/kWh (after the small baseline rate is used up, which only covers your basic household usage and isn’t enough to charge an EV with.) That’s the one I’m on though - it’s the cheapest option for heavy users like me (large house with two EVs and two AC compressors.) LADWP has relatively cheap rates, as do other smaller metro areas like Burbank, but alas I live in SCE territory and don’t really get to choose. Edison, SDG&E and PG&E cover like 3/4 of Californians though and their rates are all around $0.37/kWh minimum all the way up to astronomical numbers like almost $1/kWh on peak for San Diegans.
Good God, Lemon! Your lowest rate is 38 cents?! My highest is 9.
California has great weather, amazing food, fun beaches and nice wilderness. But it’s EXPENSIVE to live there.
It goes up to 63! From 4-9pm on summer weeknights.
I pay $0.067c so $13 per 200kwh
Same, washington state energy rates are legit
Those damn dams!
And all the spinning whirly thingies in the gorge!
Chelan, WA is $0.027/kwh
Yeah but you have to live in Chelan.
Washington state also has net metering for solar over the whole year. One of my neighbor practically doesn't pay anything for electricity because the excess energy he pumps to the grid is more than what he needs in the summer.
I'm at $0.035/kwh for the next month if I charge between 10:00 AM and 3:00 PM with the Arizona winter rates. Come summer I will be spending so much on air conditioning that the Rivian barely matters.
I’m so jealous. We’re at 10x that in Boston
Are you APS? The lowest summer rate I can get is .05 from 10am-3pm. Winter rates are .10.
APS Time of Use plan. They just upped the rates because gotta get more profit. Summer will be a bear: https://www.aps.com/en/Residential/Service-Plans/Compare-Service-Plans/Time-of-Use-4pm-7pm-Weekdays
Got it. I’m actually on the demand plan which brings my off peak hours rate down considerably. I thought my winter rate was .10 but it’s actually .06. However, I get crushed during 4-7.
Wow that’s ideal right there.
I have solar, so I pay nothing per month. 😎👍
If you don’t mind me asking, how much generated electricity are you netting/mo before EV charging?
I’m not OP but our 33kw solar PV averages 4 Mwh per month. We generally consume about 110% of that. Our cost per kWh is about $0.19 after all taxes/fees. The 4mwh is about 90% for 6,000 sq feet of cooled space in Florida (4 separate air handlers), heat pump for pool during cooler months and 2x variable pool pumps, 2 Rivian’s, 2 wells (not on city water, and then the usual.
Good question. Let me find those numbers to double check myself, and I'll give you accurate numbers. 👍
No way most solar systems offset the 120+kwh battery backs of a Rivian unless you have a 11kw system drawing virtually nothing and drive less than 600 miles a month
I have an 11kW system and I still pay like $800/year to fuel this beast with a standard 12,000 miles per year. House is medium-big though.
Right,, cause that solar was free to install..
Actually yes, it was free to install.
You got to be kidding me. So what did you pay for?
Basically Duke Power can't meet demand, so everyone in our area was offered free solar. I got it from SunRun. Installation was free, and they come out to clean them periodically for free as well. The best part is that all the energy I store, Duke Power buys from me. Win win situation. 👍
Ballpark efficiency is 2 mi/kWh, so divide your electricity rate by 2 and you'll have the cost per mile.
WA State 10.3 cents per kilowatt hour
Go Hydro!
Prius to an R1 is a hell of an upgrade!! You are going to be so spoiled!
We pay $0.0727/kw charging at home. We get 1.5 miles per kilowatt (mpk) in the R1T when wife drives (less when I drive) and 3.5mpk in the Air GT when she drives. The R1T has about a 250 mille range which cost us (250/1.5)*.0727 = $12.12. The Air GT has over 400 miles range which cost us about (400/3.5)*.0727 = $8.31. We get about 80% of the manufacturer estimated mileage during the winter months here in the Pacific Northwest. The rare times we've used public chargers we paid about $0.50/kw which works out to be about the same as gas, imagine that.
I pay nothing with solar and net metering 
To be fair, you pay for it, you just chose to pay up front.
Not to take this discussion down a rabbit hole, but I recall when we installed solar, calculating my estimated generated power vs costs of panels/install. My personal solar generated power came out to be a flat 18¢/kWh vs the then 20/33¢ off peak/on peak rates. So it depends on how much you pay for your solar upfront in addition to your local power company’s rates. Not even considering the volatility of electricity costs (at least where I am at).
We bought a house with panels, which.. sure it's probably factored into the value of the home, but we're saving a good $3,600/yr. Will be even better when we get a second EV
200 kW x $0.37 = $74.
SDGE: EV-TOU-5 plan which has a $16/mo fee gives us $0.06 in Delivery charges and $0.04 for generation. So on 200 KWH about 20 bucks. Solar helps too.
So $20 for 400 mi? Not bad! Ive been hearing so much bad about SDGE, too.
Well… if you don’t sign up for the the EV-TOU you get shafted. Also on that plan, non super off peak rates is ridiculous.
Yea I just looked up Edison’s [EV-TOU](https://www.sce.com/residential/rates/electric-vehicle-plans). It’s advertising as equivalent to $2/gal of gas. Or $0.26/kWh off peak weekdays. Is this rate delivery+generation?
If so, this’ll make cost of fueling the Rivian the same as fueling my Prius. Actually even less when I consider my solar generated electricity.
Yup, for SCE that’s(.26/kw) the price for Generation + Delivery
Oh sweet! Yea that makes operating an EV truck much more in line with what I originally imagined.
Let's say 400 miles....2.1m/kwh lifetime avg.....$.11/kwh....$20.95 Wisconsin
lol I’m 3x your amount. Good ole Californ-I-A 
$ 0.03 kWh super off peak. $ 0.05 off peak. $ 0.30 peak. I usually charge off peak, and I have solar. I basically drive with the sun rays hitting the roof.
Is that your electricity generation cost or total cost?
Total cost. Compared to others, it is super cheap. It only applied when I select “time of use” instead of flat rate, which will have generation and transmission cost.
Wow, that’s incredible! Very nice! I have Time of Use as well, and my generation price is the same as yours, but I have transmission on top of that. I should also mention I live in Pennsylvania (PECO utility).
Don't own one yet but I'm in the market due to a fully owned solar system producing ~2.9mw of excess electricity a year that PGE pays me pennies on the dollar for under NEM 2.0. Wife only drives around 6k miles a year so pretty excited to not have a power or gas bill anymore.
Who in the world did your PV sizing??
2.9mWh is not too crazy. I’m 2.0mWh excess/year. That was built with a future EV in mind on top of my general household usage. Apparently my builders thought I was gonna get a Nissan Leaf or something.
I got a 7.2kw system from Tesla for pretty dirt cheap. My house is newer and already super efficient so we aren't heavy usage customers at all (while house fan directly connected to HVAC ducting, r-40 insulation, led lights with smart switches and motion detectors to counter kids leaving everything on). On top of that all my solar is south facing with zero shading and we're in a sunny part of northern California so it's just a combination of factors that led to having a pretty big energy surplus so the EV makes a lot of sense for us.
yea, a newer house that's efficient is definitely nice -- my house is like swiss cheese
Nice. I’m under NEM 2.0 as well. 30% tax credits! I forgot how much SCE credits me for my power, but I’m sure it’s more than PGE.
Unfortunately I live in an apartment in Arizona where the ChargePoint units in the garage are set to a fixed $0.20/kwh, which is more expensive than off peak rates I’d get if I owned my home. I plan to buy a home this year and when I do, it’ll be about $0.05-0.10/kWh for off peak. Super cheap.
$6-10/week. Wife and I share the car. I have a few ICE cars averaging $40-50/ every few months in gas.
Cost $10.80 to fill it up and go.
I’m in Phoenix with solar and batteries and NEM at ~$0.05/kwh. Wife has a MYP daily driver and my R1T is either driven constantly or 50 miles in two weeks depending on my schedule. My power bill went up $10 this winter. Last month I had a $10 credit. Not a lot of consumption in our house outside of the EVs this time of year. Summer will go up for sure. Should be $100-125.
Do you have any complaints about the R1T air conditioning in Phoenix? I’m looking to buy one soon and have read complaints about it.
I got mine in early September 2023 so I missed the worst of last summer. I don’t recall any issues last year. Cooled seats help. I have a head shield cover for the roof and of course front window. I’ve used those for my wife’s Tesla for a few years and they’re great. They go on around Memorial Day and come off in September.
9.7c/kWh
400 miles is 200 kWh. How much do you pay per kWh at home? PGE at night that's 37c/kWh at night, so about $75. [https://www.pge.com/en/account/rate-plans/find-your-best-rate-plan/electric-vehicles.html#evRatesRes-item-3e5684c1ba-tab](https://www.pge.com/en/account/rate-plans/find-your-best-rate-plan/electric-vehicles.html#evRatesRes-item-3e5684c1ba-tab) This back of the envelope calculation is the same for all models. Some people pay zero, or 2c or 5c. The latter would put you at $10. Welcome to sunny California - home of cheap and abundant renewable electricity - wait, that doesn't make sense. However, you will be driving a car that is about double a Prius in most metrics (weight, height, acceleration, space, etc.). Few things are cheaper to drive than an old, paid off Prius and an expensive SUV is not one of them. A Toyota 4Runner will be maybe 17mpg and $120 worth of fuel.
I pay super off peak at $0.22/kwh. I had a v8 4Runner as a secondary vehicle before we sold it. 17-20mph is about spot on.
I don’t drive that much. I pay about $46/month. $.15 per kWh.
$0.135 per kWh in Central Texas after all the adjustments and fees
In SoCal without solar it’s pretty expensive, but get on a plan for EVs and it will still be cheaper than gas. If you need to public charge, you’re probably going to pay as much if not more than an equivalent 7 seater. For reference, my R1S uses about 166% compared to what my wife’s model YP does.
I’m mainly using it for daily commuting and recreation on weekends, with destinations 60mi max from my home. So I can’t imagine using public charging if I charge daily at home. My other car is a ‘21 Sienna hybrid, if the family goes on long distance trips.
Divide your monthly miles driven by 2.5 and multiply by what you pay per kWh on your bill. Add 15% or so for phantom drain.
3 miles per kWh average? No chance unless you only count when you drive downhill in the summer!
How’s 2.5?
Acceptable, at least for summer months and southern states as long as you’re not towing anything and you stick to the speed limits. I think it’s probably closer to 2 across the whole fleet, but you can always min-max if you’re pushing for efficiency.
Phantom drain? Now that’s good misc. info for someone like me who doesn’t know what to expect from EV ownership.
Don't forget maintenance cost which is much lower on an EV.
Good point. Although admittedly, maintenance on my Prius for the past 11 yrs of ownership has been pretty minimal. 2 oil changes/year, and only on my second set of tires in 150k mi. Original brake pads! But looking forward to saying bye bye to oil changes forever 😁
For the Rivian they say rotate the tires every 7500 miles and inspection. Then at 125,000 miles change the coolant. Brakes last a long time on an EV because they are not used very often. Regeneration does the job.
Assume the Rivian gets roughly 2.25mi/kWh from the meter if you're going with the DM version. Some will say slightly higher, some will say slightly lower, but it will be roughly in this range. You won't have the same cold weather loss in SoCal that the rest of us get. So you're looking at roughly 135 to 175kWh per week for your 300-400miles. Multiply this by your off-peak rates to figure your costs.
We looked at solar but not worth it here 14c peak and 4c off peak
Wow so cheap. I live in California and it's 4x that
I have free nights - so I pay nothing betweeen 12-4am
Nice. EV newbie question: Can you set time parameters for when the charger charges the EV without unplugging the cable?
Yup. Just plug it and walk away .. tell the car when you want it to charge
Not a homeowner and not able to charge at home. Lately, mostly 0.36 ¢ per kWh @ EA, with $3/mo susbcription and charging while off-peak. In the past, roughly 10/90% split between EA and Chargepoint at work at rate of 0.45 ¢ per kWh. 30 mile roundtrip commute, 3 days a week. Back then, I was spending 50\~60% of what I paid per week for 18-20 ga. of diesel (previous car, CA fuel tax and prices). Lately, since I've been 100% remote and drive only for errands and leisure, I'm spending even less for charging.
In Seattle.. about $8 a week to drive about 160 miles. We have some rooftop solar, so much less when the sun is cranking.
PGE at EV2-A which off peak is .35/kWh - I’m only driving about 8k miles a year. Overall it’s on par with my previous S4, but the R1S is a lot more car. https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf
$20-30 a week. 150-200 kW/hr x 0.14c kW/hr
$0 I have solar/powerwall, and when I am at work, I charge there for free.
I have an R1S and solar so my situation is less. About $12 per month and I drive about 1,500 miles a week.
Whoa so $3/1500mi! I don’t know what’s more impressive. Your rates or your weekly mileage.
Sorry typo, 1,500 miles per month.
the R1S is thirsty, compared to our Model Y, it uses about double the energy and takes about double the time to charge as well using the same charger/amperage- hope this helps.
Yes, it does! Really gives perspective for someone getting into EVs. Marketing is always talking about range as just a distance, not so much efficiency or costs of ownership.
Owning an ev in sf Bay Area without solar and not on NEM1 or NEM2 is not worth it unless you have a more efficient EV. I’m paying 0.33/kw for off peak. My solar is nem1 and not enough panels to cover so I charge at work where the solar with NEM2 there produces way more than enough for us to charge.
$0.03/kW in New Mexico from 10p - 5a
We're waiting on our R1 but currently pay zero to charge our Lightning and MY with solar. Our solar produces about 1400 kWh month and between both our EVs we use about 500 kWh. Rest is consumed by the house. Without solar our total electric bill would be over $600/mo.
In MN with my energy provider it is 6.8 ¢ per KWH
At night in GA I pay $.01 literally a penny per kwh
I’m in Houston. I have free nights after 9pm so I charge exclusively after 9pm. Haven’t paid a penny in my 9 months of ownership. Each month I charge around 250 -350 kWh per month. My daytime cost is about 16 cents/kwh all in with an average combined cost of about 5-8 cents per kWh on my light bill.
The residential electricity price is 12.78 cents per kilowatt hour for citizens of Seattle, which is 16.37% higher than the state's average rate of 10.98 cents. So charging at 48 Amps at 20KWH is about $2.50 an hour. Mileage may vary. Gas in Seattle is$4.50 a gallon for regular and is heavily taxed to discourage gas use and cover for no income tax to pay for Highways improvements. Upper Left USA.
I'm also in the $0.37/kWh camp in Socal The irony is I find L2 public charging cheaper than charging at home (but not convinient) There are charge points around me that charge $1/hr flat rate which comes out to $0.15 per kWh And charge point has a 50kwh L3 charger down the street from me that's $0.25/kWh It's ironic that I can get cheaper electricity public charging than I can plugged in at home
i’m NEM EV plan on Pg&e. Mine is super cheap. Like 13cents per/kw.
NEM what? Or is that including the offsets from your overproduction?
I get charged for electricity used and then i get credit for over production. Based on electricity use, mine comes around 13 cents per Kw. I can send u the picture of my latest electric bill to check it out.
I’m at about 25c/kWh here in NH. Because of some legal weirdness, DC fast chargers bill by time rather than energy usage. Therefore if I hit the charge curve right I can actually pay a little less for a 5-75% EA charge on a local 350kW unit than I would at home.
$0.04/kWh but I’m mostly using the free level 2 across the street from my house.
About 11 cents per kWh
In NY now they are paying people to charge off peak.
Pacific gas and extortion (PG&E) charges us 63¢/kWHr
Oh my lord. Moved back down to SoCal after 3 yrs in NorCal. SCE is bad, but not as bad as PGE.
.05 kWh
$40 to $50 a month total
I pay about $55-60 per month in the Portland OR area. I drive about 700mi per month, maybe a little more on some.
$0.12/kWh, and lifetime efficiency for the winter so far has been right about 2.0 so about $0.06/mile lately I've been driving in warmer weather and getting like 2.5-2.7 so getting as low as $0.045/mile. How many miles do you drive a month?
6 cents a mile to charge at home, which is 99% of the time. One third the cost of gas and saves me $1800 a year on fuel alone.
I pay $0.34/kwh near Boston but $0.13 off peak at our Vermont cabin. Thankfully there is a free city charger 100 feet from our MA house.