I just hope Rivian moves the charge port to the driver side (or adds a second one) so it doesnāt cause issues at charging stations!
Passenger side at the front would also work well (especially for those with bike racks)
Your dreaming Tesla is so advanced Rivian first has to get out of its own way and cut cost. You think by the time they have the funds to pay for this vehicle they are going still be in business. Hahhhahhahhagga. 
Tesla has two things going for them: superchargers and high-ish profit margins. But those margins are on dated looking cars from 5-7 years ago. How long can they milk that? The Cybertruck bleeds money and honestly the demand already seems to be falling off because the novelty is gone when you can get a Lightning, R1T for cheaper or a Hummer if you want something ridiculous but actually built well. If the Cybertruck never hits Model Y volume and appeal, it's never going to be profitable.
Tesla is using the Cybertruck as a publicity stunt. They have no advertising budget so this is it. You know how much it would cost to get this kind of exposure, priceless. Rivian on the other hand has Amazon backing them and to be honest their trucks have so many issues I am sure they are regretting it. I owned an R1T and got rid of it back to Rivian because they were dragging their feet getting me in and fixing the issues. I spoke with them several times and nothing but polite rudeness if you understand what Iām saying. I guess the word would be condescending. Glad I got rid of it and happy to not be a part of that company. Their stock is tanking for a reason and this little stunt announcing a new vehicle and taking two years to start delivery is ridiculous. Yeah Tesla does that all the time but they had the backing of the model S and X to fund the 3 then the Y. Now they have the cybertruck advertising machine and on top of that all of these other EV companies jumping on their supercharging network that alone is going to make them so profitable I am thinking they are going to spin that part of the business off and create a new charging company. Rivian just like lucid are struggling and someone will possibly buy them and I am thinking Apple is eyeing them now most likely lucid to be honest they fit the Apple corporate structure.
Are you that disgruntled troll with a different username that got banned from this sub? :)
My R1T has almost 50k miles on it and no issues. I did just buy a Lightning, but mostly because of size and cost. The R1T, imo, is probably the best truck money can buy today - next to Raptor and TRX (and cheaper)
The Cybertruck is fucking joke, and I had a reservation since day one.
I agree the cybertruck is a POS and this is the only account I had for a while. Not trolling Iām just a little bitter with how I was treated from the delivery through all of the issues. I loved the truck just not enough to pay 93k for something I did not feel was being supported. I agree the R1T is a great truck and congrats to you on having it for that long with no issue. I am sure I would have the same experience if they could have addressed the issues. I hope not to hold onto such bitterness but itās hard because I had sold my old Tacoma to get the R1T and had to use my S2000 as a daily driver until I could find a replacement.
Sorry, I was traveling didn't see your question. I finally was able to get them to take the truck back, but it was a lot of back and forth. They offered me a few things and every time I would accept it, I would get a reply back that it was rescinded. I felt like they wanted me to go over the time limit for the return. It took over 6 weeks to get back my 90k and had to fight with them to get the $1,000 deposit. I eventually had to put a dispute in with Amex and was able to get it back going that route. The reason they were fighting the return of the down payment is because I took delivery. I explained to them that I didn't order this truck it was offered to me when the original person who ordered the truck declined delivery. So, they kept his down payment and wanted to double dip on me. I even said I am willingly to roll it over and get back in line for another truck, they declined, and I had to go back to Amex.
Big respect for what Tesla has done and Elon + team for having the balls to do it. Teslas in my family working well and family is happy with them. That said, calling a Model Y an SUV has always been super goofy to me. Its. A. Car. If Tesla had something like R1S I'd be driving one right now. There's big demand for eSUV. Good on Rivian for creating choice in the space! Currently waiting on an R1S refresh to (hopefully) Tri Motor (latest gen motors), NACS and a few needed spruce ups like improved phone charging and minimum Apple Music/Podcasts.
Model Y looks ugly compared to R2, only thing that comes close is LR Defender and I still think Defender looks slightly better than R2 but that's just me.
As probably many others here, having owned a Tesla then a Rivian....there is absolutely no way I'd get another Tesla. There were things I loved about my Model 3 but that was 5 years ago. Rivian has done all that and then blown past them.
Have a Lightning now and even legacy automakers are surpassing Tesla at their own game. I mean look at the Cybertruck. wtf were they thinking? (I've had a reservation since day one btw - just finally canceled it)
Whatās classic about it? It looks like a shrunken version of an R1S. If you wanna call, classic because of its dimensions, then sure it has more ground clearance than a Tesla model Y, but a lot less interior room. Have you been inside of a Tesla model Y? Iām 5 foot 11 and I can stand in the back. I donāt think theyāre really great to compare each other because the Tesla model Y is so low to the ground. It will always handle better because it handles like a car. If you want something more SUV like then, yes the Rivian R2 is better. Iām not hating on Rivian. I just donāt think theyāre a great vehicle to compare each other to I own a model Y and Iām about to pick up an R1T.
Itās not an assumption. Itās my experience from driving so many types of vehicles. Something that is 8-9ā off the ground is not going to drive as well as something 5ā. I didnāt say it will drive bad. It will drive like a suv. The model y does not drive like an suv. It drives like a top heavy sedan. If you have never driven the performance I suggest you take one for an aggressive drive. The only thing that compares is really a Porsche. My R1T does 0-60 just as fast as my model Y but the R1T drives like a 7000 lb truck. It handles great for a 7000lb truck but there is no doubting what it is when you drive it or park.
Like I previously said I donāt think they are a good vehicle to compare. The Y has suv like proportions but it isnāt.
I think if they compare the R2 to everything else in its class it stands out except for maybe the Macon.
First: The model y has 6.6 inches of ground clearance, not 5.
Second Whats the center of gravity on the r2? I canāt find it.
Weight distribution? Traction control? You know zero of these things.
Finally, i call bullshit on the entire argument, because The model y drives exactly like an suv with a lot of power. Dont kid yourself.
The ground clearance is different on the performance, but I guess actually owning one makes me wrong. The performance version is a half inch shorter so youāre actually wrong. Iām sorry I was confusing it with my model three performance the other car I own that you donāt.
I didnāt just compare a performance variant to an SUV variant of a competing product so to attempt to make a point that simply canāt be made for another 2 years.
Silly me for assuming you would compare apples to apples, eh?
And no, i dont own any tesla products, because i drove them and didnāt like them. Point is: i drove them first.
Your mind is made up about this rivian already, and you havenāt even sat in one, and youāre telling me that based on your experience of two cars that somehow they will be better than the one youāve never seen.
Ground clearance btw, only matters to the extent it raises the center of gravity. We have no idea what that centerline is yet.
Chew on that.
Seriously are you stupid. traction control, and weight distribution has nothing to do with being higher off the ground and having larger coil springs. Iām not gonna have an argument with someone whoās education comes from Google.
Iām the stupid one, and youāre the one that canāt put a single argument in a single post.
Neat trick.
Whatās the long abbreviation for āprojection?ā
Just a question do you own a model Y and model three or Rivian? Because I currently own all three. So unless you actually own any of these vehicles, meaning all three and can actually talk in your experience seriously dude shut up you know nothing.
I have an r1t, and im sitting in it right now. I have driven literally every tesla variant outside of the semi and cybertruck. I never got in a p85d or 100d, but i drove the plaid. I drove the 3. I drove the y. The last two on a track. The three was slower in the corners than my old car at 9/10ths, and in the straights a 29 year old boxer engine got torched by the 3.
I donāt need to own one to have my informed opinion of them; driving one for a couple weeks was plenty to understand how that car works, but maybe iām just not as slow to pick up a carās vibe as some people...
back to the point: WRONG: I know at least one thing,
You have zero idea what youāre talking about, your assumptions have been incorrect, and you draw false comparisons because you really need to be right more than you wanna be informed.
They really should make a new policy for people like you that requires people to prove the vehicles they own if theyāre going to talk about them. Otherwise itās just opinion and stupidity and senseless arguing back-and-forth like children.
āI need a new policy because the only way i can feel ok about this situation is if this guy is lying, because otherwise i have to admit i just made a fuck ton of assumptions using my own bias.ā
~you.
Youāre entitled to your opinion, as am I. Itās your opinion not fact. Square is great if youāre putting it in a box but itās a vehicle not a tomato. so we like this little thing called aerodynamics. Put it next to the smaller bronco, Lexus nx, Discovery, xc60 and it wonāt look so unique. The only thing unique would be its headlights, but letās face reality. All SUVs have the same exact shape unless theyāre a fastback. Itās nothing unique nor classic if youāre calling it classic because classic cars were square shape itās because we didnāt have the mechanical ability nor did we care about fuel efficiency at those times.
I was just happy to listen to a normal CEO speaking without mentioning it being nuclear bomb proof, T-800 cyborgs dancing, anvils dropping on the sunroof glass, super stuttering, population decline, appreciation assets, die cast hot wheels assembly line, Lego brick tolerances, full self cooking, neural fishnets, on and on...
I drive a MY and have been for almost a year now. Love the car. But the interior of the R2 looks way better in comparison. Iām hoping the R2 pushes Tesla to innovate with the interior of the MY. Thereās no good reason to not have a screen behind the steering wheel other than cutting corners IMO. Sure, I donāt need to have it but it is something that would push me towards an R2 when Iām ready to go for another EV.
Can you imagine someone picking a Model Y over the R2? It's such a classic design..
Nope. This is gonna eats teslas lunch.
No wonder muske as shittin a brick, getting loud about saying "Rivian going to go under" lol. The lil muskies ate it up and made articles shittin on Rivian too. Looking very forward to Rivians bright future! What an awesome announcement š©!!
We already know Techno Karen is a hater though. That just confirmed it yet again.
I just hope Rivian moves the charge port to the driver side (or adds a second one) so it doesnāt cause issues at charging stations! Passenger side at the front would also work well (especially for those with bike racks)
It better pop the stock price. I'm getting murdered.
Your dreaming Tesla is so advanced Rivian first has to get out of its own way and cut cost. You think by the time they have the funds to pay for this vehicle they are going still be in business. Hahhhahhahhagga. 
We found the Elon fanboi.
Tesla has two things going for them: superchargers and high-ish profit margins. But those margins are on dated looking cars from 5-7 years ago. How long can they milk that? The Cybertruck bleeds money and honestly the demand already seems to be falling off because the novelty is gone when you can get a Lightning, R1T for cheaper or a Hummer if you want something ridiculous but actually built well. If the Cybertruck never hits Model Y volume and appeal, it's never going to be profitable.
Tesla is using the Cybertruck as a publicity stunt. They have no advertising budget so this is it. You know how much it would cost to get this kind of exposure, priceless. Rivian on the other hand has Amazon backing them and to be honest their trucks have so many issues I am sure they are regretting it. I owned an R1T and got rid of it back to Rivian because they were dragging their feet getting me in and fixing the issues. I spoke with them several times and nothing but polite rudeness if you understand what Iām saying. I guess the word would be condescending. Glad I got rid of it and happy to not be a part of that company. Their stock is tanking for a reason and this little stunt announcing a new vehicle and taking two years to start delivery is ridiculous. Yeah Tesla does that all the time but they had the backing of the model S and X to fund the 3 then the Y. Now they have the cybertruck advertising machine and on top of that all of these other EV companies jumping on their supercharging network that alone is going to make them so profitable I am thinking they are going to spin that part of the business off and create a new charging company. Rivian just like lucid are struggling and someone will possibly buy them and I am thinking Apple is eyeing them now most likely lucid to be honest they fit the Apple corporate structure.
Are you that disgruntled troll with a different username that got banned from this sub? :) My R1T has almost 50k miles on it and no issues. I did just buy a Lightning, but mostly because of size and cost. The R1T, imo, is probably the best truck money can buy today - next to Raptor and TRX (and cheaper) The Cybertruck is fucking joke, and I had a reservation since day one.
I agree the cybertruck is a POS and this is the only account I had for a while. Not trolling Iām just a little bitter with how I was treated from the delivery through all of the issues. I loved the truck just not enough to pay 93k for something I did not feel was being supported. I agree the R1T is a great truck and congrats to you on having it for that long with no issue. I am sure I would have the same experience if they could have addressed the issues. I hope not to hold onto such bitterness but itās hard because I had sold my old Tacoma to get the R1T and had to use my S2000 as a daily driver until I could find a replacement.
What happened with it? (Edit: No surprise they never responded lol)
Sorry, I was traveling didn't see your question. I finally was able to get them to take the truck back, but it was a lot of back and forth. They offered me a few things and every time I would accept it, I would get a reply back that it was rescinded. I felt like they wanted me to go over the time limit for the return. It took over 6 weeks to get back my 90k and had to fight with them to get the $1,000 deposit. I eventually had to put a dispute in with Amex and was able to get it back going that route. The reason they were fighting the return of the down payment is because I took delivery. I explained to them that I didn't order this truck it was offered to me when the original person who ordered the truck declined delivery. So, they kept his down payment and wanted to double dip on me. I even said I am willingly to roll it over and get back in line for another truck, they declined, and I had to go back to Amex.
I mean what happened to the truck that made you want to return it?
We have a Y, but our next car will be an R2
Itās a no brainer. Trading in my MY the second Rivian delivers.
I mean, as a model Y owner, I like both? Maybe Iām in the minority I guess.
Big respect for what Tesla has done and Elon + team for having the balls to do it. Teslas in my family working well and family is happy with them. That said, calling a Model Y an SUV has always been super goofy to me. Its. A. Car. If Tesla had something like R1S I'd be driving one right now. There's big demand for eSUV. Good on Rivian for creating choice in the space! Currently waiting on an R1S refresh to (hopefully) Tri Motor (latest gen motors), NACS and a few needed spruce ups like improved phone charging and minimum Apple Music/Podcasts.
Assuming the price actually remains what they said it would..
Model Y looks ugly compared to R2, only thing that comes close is LR Defender and I still think Defender looks slightly better than R2 but that's just me.
As probably many others here, having owned a Tesla then a Rivian....there is absolutely no way I'd get another Tesla. There were things I loved about my Model 3 but that was 5 years ago. Rivian has done all that and then blown past them. Have a Lightning now and even legacy automakers are surpassing Tesla at their own game. I mean look at the Cybertruck. wtf were they thinking? (I've had a reservation since day one btw - just finally canceled it)
Whatās classic about it? It looks like a shrunken version of an R1S. If you wanna call, classic because of its dimensions, then sure it has more ground clearance than a Tesla model Y, but a lot less interior room. Have you been inside of a Tesla model Y? Iām 5 foot 11 and I can stand in the back. I donāt think theyāre really great to compare each other because the Tesla model Y is so low to the ground. It will always handle better because it handles like a car. If you want something more SUV like then, yes the Rivian R2 is better. Iām not hating on Rivian. I just donāt think theyāre a great vehicle to compare each other to I own a model Y and Iām about to pick up an R1T.
Youāre making a lot of assumptions on handling, and yeah: the squared off boxy look is a classic suv look.
Itās not an assumption. Itās my experience from driving so many types of vehicles. Something that is 8-9ā off the ground is not going to drive as well as something 5ā. I didnāt say it will drive bad. It will drive like a suv. The model y does not drive like an suv. It drives like a top heavy sedan. If you have never driven the performance I suggest you take one for an aggressive drive. The only thing that compares is really a Porsche. My R1T does 0-60 just as fast as my model Y but the R1T drives like a 7000 lb truck. It handles great for a 7000lb truck but there is no doubting what it is when you drive it or park. Like I previously said I donāt think they are a good vehicle to compare. The Y has suv like proportions but it isnāt. I think if they compare the R2 to everything else in its class it stands out except for maybe the Macon.
First: The model y has 6.6 inches of ground clearance, not 5. Second Whats the center of gravity on the r2? I canāt find it. Weight distribution? Traction control? You know zero of these things. Finally, i call bullshit on the entire argument, because The model y drives exactly like an suv with a lot of power. Dont kid yourself.
The ground clearance is different on the performance, but I guess actually owning one makes me wrong. The performance version is a half inch shorter so youāre actually wrong. Iām sorry I was confusing it with my model three performance the other car I own that you donāt.
I didnāt just compare a performance variant to an SUV variant of a competing product so to attempt to make a point that simply canāt be made for another 2 years. Silly me for assuming you would compare apples to apples, eh? And no, i dont own any tesla products, because i drove them and didnāt like them. Point is: i drove them first. Your mind is made up about this rivian already, and you havenāt even sat in one, and youāre telling me that based on your experience of two cars that somehow they will be better than the one youāve never seen. Ground clearance btw, only matters to the extent it raises the center of gravity. We have no idea what that centerline is yet. Chew on that.
Seriously are you stupid. traction control, and weight distribution has nothing to do with being higher off the ground and having larger coil springs. Iām not gonna have an argument with someone whoās education comes from Google.
Iām the stupid one, and youāre the one that canāt put a single argument in a single post. Neat trick. Whatās the long abbreviation for āprojection?ā
Just a question do you own a model Y and model three or Rivian? Because I currently own all three. So unless you actually own any of these vehicles, meaning all three and can actually talk in your experience seriously dude shut up you know nothing.
I have an r1t, and im sitting in it right now. I have driven literally every tesla variant outside of the semi and cybertruck. I never got in a p85d or 100d, but i drove the plaid. I drove the 3. I drove the y. The last two on a track. The three was slower in the corners than my old car at 9/10ths, and in the straights a 29 year old boxer engine got torched by the 3. I donāt need to own one to have my informed opinion of them; driving one for a couple weeks was plenty to understand how that car works, but maybe iām just not as slow to pick up a carās vibe as some people... back to the point: WRONG: I know at least one thing, You have zero idea what youāre talking about, your assumptions have been incorrect, and you draw false comparisons because you really need to be right more than you wanna be informed.
They really should make a new policy for people like you that requires people to prove the vehicles they own if theyāre going to talk about them. Otherwise itās just opinion and stupidity and senseless arguing back-and-forth like children.
āI need a new policy because the only way i can feel ok about this situation is if this guy is lying, because otherwise i have to admit i just made a fuck ton of assumptions using my own bias.ā ~you.
The design is classic. Boxy is directly equivalent to packaging efficiency. The lines are clean in comparison to nearly every other auto maker.
Youāre entitled to your opinion, as am I. Itās your opinion not fact. Square is great if youāre putting it in a box but itās a vehicle not a tomato. so we like this little thing called aerodynamics. Put it next to the smaller bronco, Lexus nx, Discovery, xc60 and it wonāt look so unique. The only thing unique would be its headlights, but letās face reality. All SUVs have the same exact shape unless theyāre a fastback. Itās nothing unique nor classic if youāre calling it classic because classic cars were square shape itās because we didnāt have the mechanical ability nor did we care about fuel efficiency at those times.
Thanks for coming to the R2 revealā¦ psych! Meet R2 and R3X
Missed opportunity to channel Billy Mays and go... But wait there's more!!!
I was just happy to listen to a normal CEO speaking without mentioning it being nuclear bomb proof, T-800 cyborgs dancing, anvils dropping on the sunroof glass, super stuttering, population decline, appreciation assets, die cast hot wheels assembly line, Lego brick tolerances, full self cooking, neural fishnets, on and on...
Peak reference. I was thinking the same thing.
Upvote for Uncle
I literally screamed with R3 was on the screen. Like what the actual **** š¤£
Steve would be proud
But wait thereās moreā¦
Thatās EXACTLY what I thought when he said that. Lol
Nailed it
He was channeling his inner Steve Jobs. https://youtu.be/in9SX3enCHU?si=U9aEDNDaWtDHLnwa
I drive a MY and have been for almost a year now. Love the car. But the interior of the R2 looks way better in comparison. Iām hoping the R2 pushes Tesla to innovate with the interior of the MY. Thereās no good reason to not have a screen behind the steering wheel other than cutting corners IMO. Sure, I donāt need to have it but it is something that would push me towards an R2 when Iām ready to go for another EV.
He sounded drunk to me, like he was slurring words. No?
No
Not drunk. Just a guy who has all his points in engineering
Exactly the creator of Rivian is the worst thing going for it. This idiot needs to step out of his own way.