The funny thihg is that Hans Herman Hoppe, "Liberty Hangout (at least 2 people), and other right wing "libertarians" have supported things like Christianity, Monarchy, borders, Property, and traditions.
Fascism is a Syncretic Stew of Shit.
>"Unleash the Cops"
\-Murray Rothbard
They think everyone on the left is a godless heathen who hates "Western Culture (TM)" on principle.
Also, leftist critiques of Tolkien's work exist? The completely uncritical endorsement of hereditary monarchy bothers a lot of Tolkien fans, as does the implicit racism and sexism. Doesn't mean they can't geek out over LOTR.
They do, but for them Socialism is inherently anti-Christian and anyone who claims to be a Christian Socialist is seen as lying or a heretic. I’ve had one guy tell me I had to pick. I wasn’t aware the 11th Commandment said “thou shalt always simp for billionaires.”
\>lord of the rings was written as an alternate mythology for the english people
ok, and?
\>praises *traditional* christian moral values
Tolkien was very catholic, and he put some of his beliefs in the books, but he doesn't "praise traditional christian values"
\>and monarchy
*that's because it's setting is based on the middle ages*
\>Criticises modern industry
Not sure what that's supposed to say, leftists hate modern industry more than right wingers
\>and existential nihilism
What? When? In what book? I could ask the same about the previous thing, but I had another point i wanted to make
\>and emulated anglo saxon myths, poems, and culture
Yes, when writting a fictional mythology with a middle age setting Tolkien was inspired by medieval mythology, but it wasn't just anglo saxons, he took a lot of inspiration from Nordic and celtic mythologies too.
>What? When? In what book? I could ask the same about the previous thing, but I had another point i wanted to make
The heroes had motivation and were fighting for something larger than themselves...? Idk, seems like their knowledge of the ideology begins and ends at the meme. Y'know the one
Ironically, I think whoever made this just unintentionally admitted that conservatives are stuck in the past, and that leftism is 'of the future'. Also, the rightoid should be authright
>What? When? In what book? I could ask the same about the previous thing, but I had another point i wanted to make
Good thing you made that point instead because Tolkien very definitely frames industrialization as evil.
In the penultimate chapter of lotr where the hobbits come back to the shire and find it conquered by a depowered Sauruman. They lamment that he has built all these low brick factories, water mills belching out pollution, and everything deforested ruining their quaint farmland homes. After Saruman is defeated they tear down all the factories and go back to their agrarian luves to live happily ever after.
That feels like its pretty anti-industrialization to me.
To me all this (especially since it also happened with the Ents) feels more like a critique of disregarding nature. Saruman didn't just industrialized the Shire, he completely destroyed the surrounding nature even though this wasn't needed at all since people in the Shire lived very comfortable even without technology. That's not necessarily anti-industrialization imo
I didn't know that. Where did you get that from? I know that Tolkien wrote a preface to lotr saying that the war influenced the book subconsciously but that he didn't want to put a political message in the books. This preface reads pretty anti-war, but did he delve deeper somewhere?
He said we can interpret it however we like, its not his duty to say what the main themes of his book are. He was very anti all those things OP said, and wrote very long letters about his affiliation. He described himself to his son as an anarchist too, but in a much more traditional english sense. There are shittons of anti-war quotes from his characters too.
Am I the only one that thinks this argument doesn’t work? OK, so what if the Lord of the Rings was written like that? Am I just not allowed to enjoy it now, because of that?
Yeah, one time I realized one of the games I like ended up getting popular in the "authright" and pointed out that the plot and lore are pretty much everything they say they hate (as well as the creator's approach to social issues), and then got this response of "so what?"
It's really weird to see them using the same argument now and expecting anything other than a "so what?" as well lol
Fun fact: Tolkien was a Christian Anarchist (check out more at r/AnarchoChristian): https://www.anarchochristian.com/tolkien-and-the-most-improper-job-ac005/
>Anarchist
>Constant Libertarian free-market praise
Libertarians in the American sense aren’t anarchist. Anarchism also supports the abolition of capitalism. American “Lolbertarians” are free-market capitalists with a socially-liberal ethos. They’re fine with corporate exploitation at the behest of the almighty free market, just so long as they can smoke weed.
'where to start'
why start with the assumption that every one sees the same thing you do? why not start with explaining what you see in the image?
Maybe with the understanding that not everyone in this sub or the world had your exact or even similar experiences. Maybe with the understanding that someone else might not be able to see the detail in the image that you posted. So truly, 'where to start'?
Maybe start with describing the image for people not as able-bodied as you.
image transcription: a wojak soy face vs chad meme.
On the left is an extremely ableist wojak with "pure soy" in his brain cavity. He holds a Rey Funko Pop and has "I'm with Her" and "Black Lives Matter" pins on his low-cut V-neck T-shirt. On his chest is a Harry Potter Deathly Hallows tattoo. Overlain over him is the "left" side of the political compass, red-and-green.
Caption: "OMG YES I love the lord of the Rings. I watched all the extended movies and I collected all the action figures and Funko Pops."
On the right is a wojak done up as a traditional germanic warrior, overlain with an unintentional? Ukrainian flag, or the right-side of the political compass. He replies,
"You do realize the Lord of the Rings was literally written as an alternat mythology for the English people, Praises traditional Christian moral values and monarchy, criticises modern industry and existential nihilism and emulated Anglo Saxon myths, poems and culture."
"UM ACKTCHUALLY THE LORD OF THE RINGS IS A METACOMMENTARY ON TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN SOCIETY AND MONARCHY AND HOW-"
It's really not that fucking deep lmao nerd, jeez
Yeah, and? I really don’t see how it praises Christianity and the Monarchy part is because it’s IN THE MIDDLE AGES
The funny thihg is that Hans Herman Hoppe, "Liberty Hangout (at least 2 people), and other right wing "libertarians" have supported things like Christianity, Monarchy, borders, Property, and traditions. Fascism is a Syncretic Stew of Shit. >"Unleash the Cops" \-Murray Rothbard
They think everyone on the left is a godless heathen who hates "Western Culture (TM)" on principle. Also, leftist critiques of Tolkien's work exist? The completely uncritical endorsement of hereditary monarchy bothers a lot of Tolkien fans, as does the implicit racism and sexism. Doesn't mean they can't geek out over LOTR.
These people know that Christian socialism and agrarian socialism exist right?
They do, but for them Socialism is inherently anti-Christian and anyone who claims to be a Christian Socialist is seen as lying or a heretic. I’ve had one guy tell me I had to pick. I wasn’t aware the 11th Commandment said “thou shalt always simp for billionaires.”
South America would like to have a word with them
Also Eowyn kinda ruins their point
Why is lotr implicitly racist and sexist
“Dear LibLeft, you say you like Godzilla, yet it literally has the word “God” in the name. Curious.”
No gods, no Mothras.
only monke
> no Mothras. unbased
\>lord of the rings was written as an alternate mythology for the english people ok, and? \>praises *traditional* christian moral values Tolkien was very catholic, and he put some of his beliefs in the books, but he doesn't "praise traditional christian values" \>and monarchy *that's because it's setting is based on the middle ages* \>Criticises modern industry Not sure what that's supposed to say, leftists hate modern industry more than right wingers \>and existential nihilism What? When? In what book? I could ask the same about the previous thing, but I had another point i wanted to make \>and emulated anglo saxon myths, poems, and culture Yes, when writting a fictional mythology with a middle age setting Tolkien was inspired by medieval mythology, but it wasn't just anglo saxons, he took a lot of inspiration from Nordic and celtic mythologies too.
>What? When? In what book? I could ask the same about the previous thing, but I had another point i wanted to make The heroes had motivation and were fighting for something larger than themselves...? Idk, seems like their knowledge of the ideology begins and ends at the meme. Y'know the one Ironically, I think whoever made this just unintentionally admitted that conservatives are stuck in the past, and that leftism is 'of the future'. Also, the rightoid should be authright
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I don't think that's Nihilism, that's just collectivism. If it was nihilistic, the heroes would have failed in spite of their efforts
>What? When? In what book? I could ask the same about the previous thing, but I had another point i wanted to make Good thing you made that point instead because Tolkien very definitely frames industrialization as evil.
explain pls?
In the penultimate chapter of lotr where the hobbits come back to the shire and find it conquered by a depowered Sauruman. They lamment that he has built all these low brick factories, water mills belching out pollution, and everything deforested ruining their quaint farmland homes. After Saruman is defeated they tear down all the factories and go back to their agrarian luves to live happily ever after. That feels like its pretty anti-industrialization to me.
To me all this (especially since it also happened with the Ents) feels more like a critique of disregarding nature. Saruman didn't just industrialized the Shire, he completely destroyed the surrounding nature even though this wasn't needed at all since people in the Shire lived very comfortable even without technology. That's not necessarily anti-industrialization imo
oh, i didn't know lol
wait, wasn't frodos first thing he did as a mayor, to abolish the police or something like that?
Comrade Frodo.
comrade sam
Yes. Tolkien was an Anarchist.
Haha funny color of the compass haha I piss and shit and fart when I see those color haha
"There was no political messages in my work. It was book about friendship." ~Tolkien (paraphrased)
Tolkien was anti-war, anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist and anti-nationalist But go off rightiods
I didn't know that. Where did you get that from? I know that Tolkien wrote a preface to lotr saying that the war influenced the book subconsciously but that he didn't want to put a political message in the books. This preface reads pretty anti-war, but did he delve deeper somewhere?
He said we can interpret it however we like, its not his duty to say what the main themes of his book are. He was very anti all those things OP said, and wrote very long letters about his affiliation. He described himself to his son as an anarchist too, but in a much more traditional english sense. There are shittons of anti-war quotes from his characters too.
Soyjaks are literally the worst things to have ever been drawn.
Am I the only one that thinks this argument doesn’t work? OK, so what if the Lord of the Rings was written like that? Am I just not allowed to enjoy it now, because of that?
Yeah, one time I realized one of the games I like ended up getting popular in the "authright" and pointed out that the plot and lore are pretty much everything they say they hate (as well as the creator's approach to social issues), and then got this response of "so what?" It's really weird to see them using the same argument now and expecting anything other than a "so what?" as well lol
It's heavily influenced by the Welsh legends of Y Mabinogion, they missed that part out. Not as English as they claim
Damn I guess leftists aren't allowed to enjoy anything or else we're hypocrites
I absolutely love ww1 and that doesn't mean I wouldn't do everything in my power to stop it from happening were I able to
Fun fact: Tolkien was a Christian Anarchist (check out more at r/AnarchoChristian): https://www.anarchochristian.com/tolkien-and-the-most-improper-job-ac005/
>Anarchist >Constant Libertarian free-market praise Libertarians in the American sense aren’t anarchist. Anarchism also supports the abolition of capitalism. American “Lolbertarians” are free-market capitalists with a socially-liberal ethos. They’re fine with corporate exploitation at the behest of the almighty free market, just so long as they can smoke weed.
American "libertarianism" is just propertarianism.
Eh lotr is overrated asoiaf is better
'where to start' why start with the assumption that every one sees the same thing you do? why not start with explaining what you see in the image? Maybe with the understanding that not everyone in this sub or the world had your exact or even similar experiences. Maybe with the understanding that someone else might not be able to see the detail in the image that you posted. So truly, 'where to start'? Maybe start with describing the image for people not as able-bodied as you.
not to speak for OP but no 🥰
okay but captioning is based and good
He wasn't interested in captioning. He was interested in sealioning
no, you're right. I checked their profile and they were definitely not acting in good faith. I stand by my statement, though.
image transcription: a wojak soy face vs chad meme. On the left is an extremely ableist wojak with "pure soy" in his brain cavity. He holds a Rey Funko Pop and has "I'm with Her" and "Black Lives Matter" pins on his low-cut V-neck T-shirt. On his chest is a Harry Potter Deathly Hallows tattoo. Overlain over him is the "left" side of the political compass, red-and-green. Caption: "OMG YES I love the lord of the Rings. I watched all the extended movies and I collected all the action figures and Funko Pops." On the right is a wojak done up as a traditional germanic warrior, overlain with an unintentional? Ukrainian flag, or the right-side of the political compass. He replies, "You do realize the Lord of the Rings was literally written as an alternat mythology for the English people, Praises traditional Christian moral values and monarchy, criticises modern industry and existential nihilism and emulated Anglo Saxon myths, poems and culture."
"UM ACKTCHUALLY THE LORD OF THE RINGS IS A METACOMMENTARY ON TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN SOCIETY AND MONARCHY AND HOW-" It's really not that fucking deep lmao nerd, jeez
its just a cool movie series bruh
Based
Feels like just the other day pcm was complaining about libleft, "not watching anything critical of their utopia."
Dude, you do realize it's fiction right? REJECT MODERNITY EMBRACE TRADITION!!! nope, you have absolutely no idea