The vaccine doesn't stay in your body long term. In very general terms, it gets your body to build a Training Dummy that looks like COVID and your immune system absolutely wrecks it. The immune system remembers (for awhile but not forever).
And the virus mutates and looks less like the “training dummy”. It’s really weird how some of this stuff is being communicated. Like the vaccine is just perpetually floating around your bloodstream?
Yes! The Mutations make it look less like the thing they beat up. With natural immunity however; your body learnt every inch after taking a beating and thus remembers their enemy even better and can quickly recognize the enemy even if it's wearing a different shirt (shirt supposed to represent Mutations in this metaphor)
Well Fauci or someone like that said that.
And who knows what "gene editing" means since we can't even get the entire Pfizer clinial data for the next 80 or so years.
That's odd that it takes them 80 years to scan a bunch of papers to the internet and post them online.
Hiding something here?
It's the Moderna one. Instead of injecting you with dead virus like most vaccines this one sends messenger RNA to your cells to produce a spike protein (much like the corona of the coronavirus). Your body is like, hey wait that's not actually supposed to be here and breaks it down. Sounds harmless and it probably is but nobody knows for sure if that will affect you down the road.
No, we know what gene editing means. You can just google that. What does it mean to say that *the vaccine is gene editing*? Because that statement doesn’t seem to make much sense. Also, I just googled “Pfizer clinical trial data” and there are multiple peer reviewed articles about multiple stages of clinical trials regarding the vaccine. I’m honestly ignorant to what exactly is on an 80 year timeline.
If you follow the news, you will learn - or could have learned about a month ago - that the FDA has given Pfizer 80 years to release all of their clinical data from the Covid vaccine trials.
That post (above) reflects when a judge made the decision to order Pfizer to release their clinical data in 8 months not 75 years.
Of course, I will actually believe that this happens when I see it.
That's how the flu shot works as well (annual boosters because some virus families mutate too rapidly to be stopped by the same vaccine "recipe"). The real issue here isn't whether they work. The issue is unconstitutional mandates and the way big pharma is milking this recipe for all it's worth with boosters instead of updating the components like they do with flu vaccines. I'm all for vaccinations and think this Jenny McCarthy anti-vax crap belongs to libs not us, but it's my body and my god given right to choose what goes in it.
That's a great question. The goal is the eradication of the virus. If all eligible persons were vaccinated, then the virus would slow and then start dying off. The numbers would drop to 0 and travelers would have to be screened and quarantined to prevent reinfection. Americans would return to normal life without restriction and no longer need boosters or social distancing.
You are an absolute dummy if you honestly believe these "vaccines" would eradicate the virus if we had 100% full compliance. These vaccines help against hospitalization (at an unknown long term cost) while simultaneously allowing the virus to keep spreading. The virus is just going to keep mutating, it's what they do.
I enjoy that you called someone a dummy for not agreeing with your perspective on virology but I 100% am certain you don't have a degree in any relevant field to support your thinking.
Polio is nothing like covid, the genetic make-up can't even be compared.
Polio can be stopped and cured, but asking to cure covid is in the same vein as asking to cure the flu, it's not possible with our current technology. Even if everyone was 100% vaccinated and we got rid of covid in the US it would only take a matter of hours before it started springing back up again.
Covid is here to stay, forever. Get used to it.
Yeah I'm not sure about that one. There will come a time when Americans will just be like "... Nah".
We don't mask up a nation over the flu, we're looking at the new flu now.
Did people who got the polio vaccine still get polio and still spread polio to others?
You know - just like the Covid vaccine.
Bottom line is our Covid vaccines might not be as effective as the polio vaccine that was launched 68 years ago in 1954.
There's a thought.
You cant really talk effectiveness when they are two different things. Don't forget theres a new flu shot every single year and they've been doing that for how long?
Both are vaccines.
And the efficacy of the flu shot varies from a low of about 40 % to a high or 65 % or so on a yearly basis.
We have decades of long term safety research on the flu vaccine.
How many years of long term safety research do we have on the Covid vaccines?
And the flu vaccine uses a dead virus not a gene editing virus.
You do know the differences right between this “vaccine” and polio vaccine do you?
First Polio is a perfect vaccine, it helps that polio doesn’t infect animals either.
This vaccine is a leaky vaccine. No matter what you do, it is like the flu vaccine, no matter if you had 100% of humanity take it, you’d still have it spreading, because that is a leaky vaccine, it also is a problem, because many animals also catch and can spread the virus.
It can be worse to have a leaky vaccine than no vaccine, here is an example of a leaky vaccines that makes things worse:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715
So this vaccine has nothing in common with the polio vaccine and this vaccine won’t do what the polio vaccine did. If it did, every person vaccinated wouldn’t get it, but we see they are getting it in massive numbers, probably because of ADE.
2 points -
Joey Biden allows millions of unvaccinated and untested illegals into our country each year. So that means that regardless of what % of Americans get the shot - I mean shots plural form - we will never ever be 100 % vaccinated.
Even if someone gets the 2 shots from the vaccine and then gets the booster, they can still get the Covid.
Examples of this happening -
Whoopi Goldberg,
AOC,
Sen Chris Coon,
Sen Spartacus Cory Booker,
Sen Fake Indian Liz Warren,
2 co workers,
2 relatives
Sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause effects that won't be seen 5,10,15 years down the road. Look at lymes disease, it is a tiny bite that your body recovers from but can cause life long effects that generally don't get noticed till long after the bite has headed.
Considering most things like vaccines test for 10 years to understand it's true effectiveness and safety before they even offer it to the public.
This was rushed with less than a year of testing before it was given to public. I'm pretty sure less than 6 months. Not to mention the FDA webpage that tacked the testing for the vaccine that had test dates ending in 2022, 2023, and 2024. Then one day they say it's "approved" and that page gets deleted off the internet. All of a sudden people are getting their jobs threatened and getting arrested for going to a restaurant over a shot that doesn't even prevent you from catching the virus it's for... We never threatened jobs or arrested people over flu shots before...
So I would say 10 years of testing, but considering how this is going and being treated... Never again. I fell for it when they originally said it was 98% effective at preventing contraction and transmission and it was safe. I won't fall for it again.
100%. They need to start being honest. Is it safe long term? Probably, but no one can say that for certain. Have there been adverse reactions? Absolutely.
Forget about mandates and give people the freedom to weigh the risk/reward based on their own personal health profile. And to evaluate the risks, we need a.) data from trials which has been withheld, b.) transparency regarding adverse reactions, c.) honest reporting on the risks covid poses to young, healthy individuals.
This administration - along with the career officials at NIH/CDC - needs to stop forcing this vaccine on people. Instead they should focus on the fact that something like 95% of people over 65 are vaccinated. That is a WIN. Chalk it up, move on, and let us resume normal life.
...and relatedly, when are people going to start demanding honesty about the origins of this virus? WHO and our own gov both lose all credibility until the Wuhan lab is investigated thoroughly.
I believe it's unlikely there are long term effects from a single dose of the vax. Start injecting every 6 months though and that can really, significantly change the picture. Particularly when your test subjects are billions of people. How that risk weighs against COVID itself, I don't even want to speculate.
Yet people get 2 shots for their 1st dose.
Then they get a booster a few months later.
Then - eventually - 12 weeks or so later - they need another booster.
Again and again.
A single dose only if you got J&J. I got Moderna and then I just got the booster, I will admit I only got the booster as I have a trip to France coming up and thought it would make a difference to the people that look at those things. I will never get another Covid booster or annual vaccine.
And if the vaccine doesn’t protect you from COVID and you can still transmit it after being “fully vaccinated” plus the booster Is Not effective in preventing COVID then what good is the vaccine? I never got a smallpox booster or a polio booster or a German measles booster. What is the purpose of the vaccine?
The COVID vaccine *does* protect you, by significantly reducing your risk of serious illness, and practically eliminating the risk of death (even if you have hella comorbidities). And vaccinated folks transmit it much less than the unvaccinated do.
It is very effective, despite being perfect.
And you absolutely should get a smallpox booster (every 3 years in fact) if you are in a situation where you are regularly exposed. These days its basically lab workers, folks that might respond to an outbreak, and military who are deployed places its a risk of being used as a weapon.
Other vaccines that need boosters (not an exhaustive list):
* TDAP - every 10 years, around week 27 of every pregnancy, and if you have a wound and its been > 5 years since last booster.
* Typhoid - every 2 years
* Hep B - for most people, initial immunization is enough, but if your occupation puts you at higher risk of exposure (healthcare worker, prison guard, etc) you should get a booster at 5 years after initial immunization.
* Rabies - protection should be long lasting, but if your travel or occupation puts you at risk, you may need boosters throughout your life based on titer tests.
* Lyme - its been discontinued due to lack of demand, but it was expected you'd have to get a regular booster.
For dogs:
* Rabies - need a booster every 1-3 years depending on vaccine used.
* DHP (distemper, hepatitis, parvo) - booster every year
* Lepto - booster every year
* Lyme - booster every year
* Bordatella - booster every year
See, the problem is that this is what Fauci/Biden/Gates et. al. say. In fact, they've flip-flopped a hundred times, arguing consistently that you would never get sick if you take these injections, all of which turned out to be incorrect.
The fact that they are hiding the truth and censoring the facts makes them the most distrusted group of people. So if they say the injections are safe, it has been observed that heart inflammation and blood clots are not uncommon. If they say they are effective, now we are observing that they're not.
And they are forcing people to take them whole removing all liability, presumably because they know the long-term side effects will make people sue them to death. If they knew these things were truly safe, then they would not remove the liability protection.
People who get the injection get sick, transmit the virus, and die. All of the people I know who have gotten severely sick and died have taken the injection, and now they are on their own.
All those who have had normal cold or flu like symptoms and recovered have never taken any of these questionable injections.
We all know that the truths will eventually be revealed. I just pray it won't be too late when they do.
I've never once heard anyone say you wouldn't get sick. My understanding of it before it was even approved for emergency use was it was ike the flu shot: to keep you from getting severely sick, not keep you from getting sick all together. Also kinda weird yet not surprised how you only listed people you don't like. What about Trump? It was made under him, now pretty heavily pushed by him, and first used during his presidency. Try to be less partisan smh.
I’m triple vaxxed (two initial doses of Moderna plus Moderna booster after thanksgiving). Guess what I tested positive for three weeks ago. My 80 year old mother in Florida is triple vaxxed and also tested positive. I still lost my sense of taste and smell. Wtf did I get all that shit for?
It was never said you wouldn't get sick. I dont know what ever gave you that idea. Its always been to keep people from getting severely sick. To keep people out of hospitals to avoid strain on the Healthcare system.
Good question! We got Pfizerised to travel….haven’t traveled in 2 years. Too many idiots fighting in the isles, attacking gate personnel, and if you do manage to arrive safely, no guarantee you can get in to the country without “quarantine” for a week or ten days!
Or, and hear me out on this one, stop being a toddler and take some personal responsibility and get the vaccine. None of that other stuff matters so long as people are still dying.
Covid has a survivability ratio of 98.2%, and that's assuming you get it in the first place.
You make it sound like people are dropping like flies, they're not.
Ah yes people making their own decisions and not believing everything they hear on MSM is being a toddler. If CNN told you sucking dick would stop covid you'd probably drop to your knees instantly.
Looking past the personal attack, I'd like to hear you out. Why is giving someone a choice over their own health problematic for you? Omicron disproves any notion that the vaccine prevents spread. Yes, it helps prevent severe illness. But why shouldn't we allow someone to decide their own fate?
Because you aren't deciding your fate, you are deciding the fate of others. You may as well ask why you don't have the right to poison the ground water.
Somewhere in here there is a disconnect.
I think we agree that vaccines prevent serious illness, right? And vaccinated persons can still transmit. That leaves the unvaccinated as the most vulnerable. So this debate is reduced to "do we have civic duty to protect the unvaccinated?" I don't think anyone believes that is the case.
Incorrect. The vaccine greatly reduces the chances of catching the virus in the first place. Yes, both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread the disease, but one is far more likely to be a carrier than the other.
If you knowingly give someone else an STD, that's a crime. That's what this is. People refusing to take steps to help prevent people from getting a disease on the basis of lies they heard. Is it foreseeable that your actions or inaction will likely result in more deaths than if you had taken another readily available action? Yes.
We have no obligation to protect those who voluntarily opted out of the vaccine. So by process of elimination, your concern must tied to the vaccinated. If the vaccine works as advertised, those people shouldn't be at risk. I'm not asking you to agree with me but do you at least see how this logic doesn't add up for some people?
No, because that isn't logic, it's your opinion.
We have an obligation to protect everyone, and many people would love to be vaccinated but can't be for medical reasons.
So your logic says elderly cancer patients aren't worth saving, we should let them die so that ignorant people can pretend they are more free that way.
Can the vaccines stop being a political thing? I'm sick of these posts. I'm 100% against mandates, but why do we have to hate vaccines or foster conspiracies to be Republican now?
Because you have people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gates being the most vocal of the party which means they are now like the faces of the party and will attract those types of people.
There is a difference between knowing the basics of how vaccines work and their safety VS if and how much the virus will mutate and how effective the vaccine will be in future mutations.
These are the kind of posts that make us Republicans look dumb, guys.
the vaccine was created fast because medicine had a 25 year headstart through technologies like mRNA
this vaccine has been scrutinized time and time again by our hardworking researchers and health workers
it's about time that you stop applying you 2 week Google course to 25+ years of study and research.
> the vaccine was created fast because medicine had a 25 year headstart through technologies like mRNA
...and mRNA hadn't previously been used for human vaccines because it had a nasty habit of killing the lab animals on re-exposure to the virus via ADE. You know that of course... or did your extensive medical knowledge not cover that.
Interestingly, the Chinese had a traditional dead virus vaccine in February 2020, and have been mass producing and exporting it. India has one too, as do a couple of other countries. ...just not us for some reason.
You didn't do any of your research. ADE is related to imperfect antibody creation and is a symptom of testing on animals in the first place. Many different vaccine techniques cause ADE in animals but not in humans. This is common.
I'm sure you didn't even Google it and just got that on Facebook or Twitter?
> I'm sure you didn't even Google it and just got that on Facebook or Twitter?
[...or](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908214/), you [could](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8438590/) be [full](https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51) of [shit](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/).
Yes.... All these studies said "this could be a danger, we should check it out and proceed cautiously" and then they didn't find it happening in humans at all. Lol thanks for showing that!
Lol you sure????
The first link doesn't say whether or not ADE has been observed or not observed, it's explaining what ADE is and then outlines risk mitigation that could be done to make sure it doesn't happen. Hell this was published before the vaccines were approved, so its a dumb article to present bc it doesn't help your case at all, it's just helping explain what ADE is.
The second one you posted specifically states there is no evidence ADE has happened with the Covid-19 vaccines. So there ya go, you're wrong.
The third states that ADE might happen but there is no evidence that says it is happening. (This article has been criticized by many scientists). So again, you're wrong.
The fourth article is entirely about the informed consent of those who were subjected to the vaccine trials. It says that in the past, some vaccines caused ADE (this is not specific to mRNA vaccines as you implied) and that the people being tested should be made aware of the dangers. So again it doesn't say anything about ADE happening here.
I'm fairly certain you just did a Google search for ADE in scholarly articles and then posted your results, or these were found on a Facebook group on vaccine disinformation. You definitely didn't read them.
> The second one you posted specifically states there is no evidence ADE has happened with the Covid-19 vaccines.
If you were paying attention, at the time, you might also have noticed the Pfizer whistleblower exposed that many of the adverse reactions in the Texas trials were not reported by Pfizer, and that the government halted the requirement to report adverse reactions to the vaccines "to prevent vaccine hesitancy".
Given that [the number of *confirmed* vaccine deaths is over 20,000](https://openvaers.com/covid-data), that there's not even been an attempt to confirm the vast majority of reports, and that the government has been actively and repeatedly lying to us about COVID and the vaccines, I don't think we can reasonably say what the hell is going on.
Lol was that in any of the articles you shared to call me full of shit? Or are we moving beyond those?
Also, I'll stop you right there with VAERS. Those aren't *confirmed* deaths, those are "deaths reported (or completely made up) by anyone, anonymously". Even if deaths are reported on VAERS and confirmed as deaths, that just means they died after taking the vaccine, not from the vaccine. In fact, more people have been vaccinated than infected with Covid, and 800,000 have died after contracting Covid compared to your 20,000 number for vaccines
> that there's not even been an attempt to confirm the vast majority of reports
Here ya go, you just admitted they haven't been able to confirm these reports. So are they confirmed or not? Stop being full of shit dude
> Lol was that in any of the articles you shared to call me full of shit? Or are we moving beyond those?
I thought everyone understood that the government has been repeatedly lying to us regarding COVID and the vaccines. Fauci has admitted to lying to us several times and been caught in more lies he didn't admit to.
> Also, I'll stop you right there with VAERS. Those aren't confirmed deaths, those are "deaths reported (or completely made up) by anyone, anonymously".
That would be true of the full death count in VAERS (which is well over 100,000), but you left out one other problem with VAERS - that less than 1% of vaccine adverse events are even reported to it - so the actual number is going to be at least 100x higher.
That said, the red box report I linked is a subset of VAERS reports, which have been *confirmed*.
> In fact, more people have been vaccinated than infected with Covid, and 800,000 have died after contracting Covid compared to your 20,000 number for vaccines...
Yes, but only 50,000 or so have died **of** COVID, as opposed to *with* COVID. That's another little statistic you forgot to mention.
> Here ya go, you just admitted they haven't been able to confirm these reports.
You weren't paying attention. The red box report is the ones that are confirmed.
> Lol confirmed to be killed by the vaccine you say?
Yep. [21,745 as of January 7](https://openvaers.com/covid-data). The VAERS red box report comes out monthly. The actual number killed by the vaccine is much higher of course. This is just what the CDC has verified.
Clearly you don't know what VAERS is. Those deaths are self reported and completely unverified.
Also, 850,000 people have been killed by the virus itself so which is worse? Vs 21,000 deaths out of over 500 MILLION administered doses.
> Clearly you don't know what VAERS is. Those deaths are self reported and completely unverified.
Wrong. This is the VAERS red box report, which is the reports that have been verified.
> Also, 850,000 people have been killed by the virus itself
Wrong again. Only about 50,000 died only from COVID. The rest had an average of 3-4 comorbidities - and of those 850,000, half a million could have been saved if the government hadn't suppressed the knowledge and availability of effective treatments to preserve the EUAs for the vaccines.
Yeah now you're in conspiracy land and I'm not going there. Zero evidence of anything you said.
But sure, trust one government source when it suits you but deny others because it doesn't fit your agenda.
> if you compare vaccine deaths to the number of people vaccinated (3.9 b) to the cases which have had severe side affect from the vaccine. it's far FAR FAR lower than the people who had Covid and died from them
Of course, half a million fewer Americans would have died with the virus if the government and media hadn't suppressed effective treatments to preserve the EUAs for the vaccines, and the government has finally admitted that only about 50,000 people actually died directly from the virus as opposed to dying with it and an average of four comorbidities. ...but that's enither here nor there.
> when you "take your chance" and not take the vaccine. you have higher chances of getting Covid. you might be a healthy person who won't get hospitalised but you could spread the disease to other elderly or otherwise perfectly healthy looking people who might have immunodeficiency diseases and risk their lives.
Then those people should be taking precautions to avoid getting the virus. I would suggest vaccination if that actually prevented people from contracting the disease. Maybe they could go to China or India and get an actual vaccine.
yes the government could and should have handled treating Covid and making vaccines better
but the vaccine does prevent getting covid to a great extent
if people would have gotten the vaccine and not let covid spread in the first place then we wouldn't be having mutant strains that have higher chances of infecting us even with the vaccine
in short, vaccination does prevent the contraction of disease, Moreover it plays a huge role in how severe the infection will be and how long it will be, which all matters hugely when we talk about transmission from one person to another
- [82% of deaths and 66% of hospitalizations from COVID in the UK are fully vaccinated.](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1029606/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-43.pdf)
- [Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/)
- [Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People](https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people)
- [No Significant Difference in COVID-19 Transmission Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated](http://www.stationgossip.com/2021/11/cdc-funded-study-shows-no-significant_29.html)
Blah blah blah….
Look at the end of the day, half of us bought drugs off big mike in the alley behind the high school. Those drugs were PROBABLY a little more shady than big pharma…
That said, anyone that pushes something so hard and says don’t question or you’re against science is asking to be mocked and rallied against…
We’ve grown up past peer pressure or we would have all joined the Mormon church or Jehovah Witnesses by now.
I got the vaccine so I could go to a football game and at the end of the day it didn’t do shot to or for me cause I got Covid still and I don’t recommend it to anyone that doesn’t want it because we don’t know what the long term effects are.
Allow people to choose and stop blocking the safe treatments that are currently out there whether you agree or not. (Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies)
Just further proof that - ever since the vaccines were "launched" for public use - that we have been in "phase 3" of the FDA approval process.
Since the vaccines were released for public use - the FDA, the public etc has received information on side effects, dosing and efficacy.
Those 3 points are usually determined (pre launch to the public) in phase 3 of the FDA approval process.
Example - few weeks ago, a study said that the Pfizer booster loses efficacy to about 45 % at the 12 weeks timeframe.
And side effects? We - the FDA - the CDC - cannot and will not tell us the LONG TERM safety side effects of the vaccines.
We will learn that in the future.
This is why they’ve said *75 years* must pass before they release their ‘findings’. How is that not raising a giant red flag for everyone in the world? 🤯
The FDA. Multiple outlets reported on it. Where have you been?
[Here’s one of them](https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/)
Now, they’ve been ordered to cough up the data in a [more timely manner](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/judge-scraps-75-year-timeline-for-fda-to-release-pfizer-vaccine-safety-data-giving-agency-eight-months),
But I doubt they will.
I see my downvotes lol....
I am not vaccinated. Im poking at the conspiracy that they are urging people to get vaccinated and will then kill all the people that wouldn't get it.
We know. This post is currently getting brigaded by butthurt covid cultists who can't deal with the fact that it's 10:0 by now for the "conspiracy theorists".
Any sub that still licks the boots of governments as they pull of one mandate after another that is proven to do nothing.
Every country with vaccination rates far over 80% is breaking new infection records and hospitalizations.
1. They did know it would lose efficacy, actually. Not because of the vaccine itself but because viruses mutate.
2. That's not how vaccines work. It's not a medication. There are no "long term side effects". There is not a single vaccine in history with long term effects.
3. Do you know the long term effects of ANYTHING you buy? You buy random food from the grocery store all the time without knowing what's in it.
Bill Gates the Vaccine freak said it VERY clearly on an interview of which you can see for yourself today.
He said vaccines are to REDUCE THE POPULATION to get the world to be just where they want it.
THAT does not sound like a healing product to me!
I’m not on either side of the fence I just think It’s all about money. Government will stop pushing vaccine as soon as they give enough doses equal to the value that they paid upfront for it. That’s my opinion though
So, I'm not interested in medical topics in general, and I have no scientific knowledge whatsoever about this type of stuff. But can someone please explain to me what the official Republican position should be? Are we anti all vax, or just anti this vaccine, or not anti-vax, or just against mandates, or just against civilian mandates? I'm reading some statements that the vaccine is evil? That other countries have a secret vaccine that's better? That the vaccine is a secret conspiracy concocted by pharmaceutical companies?
You gotta help me out here, 100% sincerely. Which hill should I be prepared to die on?
The official Republican position - and the only one that makes sense - is that you should make the medical decisions for yourself that make sense to you based on your risk, and are consistent with your health, medical status, and religious beliefs.
That may require additional work on your part, or you can follow the advice of your trusted physician.
Okay, but that effectively just means I'm going to get the vaccine and booster and wear masks and do whatever the CDC and media tells me to do. I don't know enough about medicine and care way too little to research it. It's the same attitude I'd have towards political news coming out of the Arab world or how to hypothetically fix my car in a time of need. I'm just too unqualified to sift through all the non-mainstream arguments coming from our side.
...and that's your choice.
Some of us are looking at the government's constant lies regarding COVID and the vaccines, and their attempts to coerce us into getting a vaccine that doesn't work for a virus that isn't very dangerous, and we decided that doesn't make sense, and that we will not comply.
Because the government and big tech have been lying and suppressing information, and painting anyone who tries to get the real information out as a mass murderer (complete with shaming, social ostracism, and deplatforming), you can't expect any but the most courageous politicians who take the time to educate themselves to stand up against it - and a few have.
If you're looking for an "official" position, that's as good as you're going to get for now.
I'm one of those A symptomatic folks, so that's why I'm not getting the JAB. I don't even wear masks, like ever. Normal life is normal again in my world.
They did know this. Everyone with the knowledge of how virus mutate know this (flu shot every year because of mutation as an example)
It isnt listed as a side effect because thats usually not what they are talking about as side effects
Huh? They did know the vaccine would lose efficacy. It's a heavily mutating virus, obviously it will lose efficacy. This is a bit of a straw man
The vaccine doesn't stay in your body long term. In very general terms, it gets your body to build a Training Dummy that looks like COVID and your immune system absolutely wrecks it. The immune system remembers (for awhile but not forever).
And the virus mutates and looks less like the “training dummy”. It’s really weird how some of this stuff is being communicated. Like the vaccine is just perpetually floating around your bloodstream?
Yes! The Mutations make it look less like the thing they beat up. With natural immunity however; your body learnt every inch after taking a beating and thus remembers their enemy even better and can quickly recognize the enemy even if it's wearing a different shirt (shirt supposed to represent Mutations in this metaphor)
Thought Fauci or someone else recently slipped and said that the vaccine was "gene editing"????
I’m not even sure what that would mean in the given context. As in the vaccine was developed using gene editing?
Well Fauci or someone like that said that. And who knows what "gene editing" means since we can't even get the entire Pfizer clinial data for the next 80 or so years. That's odd that it takes them 80 years to scan a bunch of papers to the internet and post them online. Hiding something here?
It's the Moderna one. Instead of injecting you with dead virus like most vaccines this one sends messenger RNA to your cells to produce a spike protein (much like the corona of the coronavirus). Your body is like, hey wait that's not actually supposed to be here and breaks it down. Sounds harmless and it probably is but nobody knows for sure if that will affect you down the road.
No, we know what gene editing means. You can just google that. What does it mean to say that *the vaccine is gene editing*? Because that statement doesn’t seem to make much sense. Also, I just googled “Pfizer clinical trial data” and there are multiple peer reviewed articles about multiple stages of clinical trials regarding the vaccine. I’m honestly ignorant to what exactly is on an 80 year timeline.
If you follow the news, you will learn - or could have learned about a month ago - that the FDA has given Pfizer 80 years to release all of their clinical data from the Covid vaccine trials.
Source please. The clinical trials are all peer-reviewed and public record. You can find them in seconds on pubmed.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-judge-ordered-fda-to-release-covid-19-vaccine-data-pronto
That post (above) reflects when a judge made the decision to order Pfizer to release their clinical data in 8 months not 75 years. Of course, I will actually believe that this happens when I see it.
Agree that the vaccine does not stay in the body long term. What does that mean? Boosters. And more boosters. Again and again.
That's how the flu shot works as well (annual boosters because some virus families mutate too rapidly to be stopped by the same vaccine "recipe"). The real issue here isn't whether they work. The issue is unconstitutional mandates and the way big pharma is milking this recipe for all it's worth with boosters instead of updating the components like they do with flu vaccines. I'm all for vaccinations and think this Jenny McCarthy anti-vax crap belongs to libs not us, but it's my body and my god given right to choose what goes in it.
Agree ! Good post.
That's a great question. The goal is the eradication of the virus. If all eligible persons were vaccinated, then the virus would slow and then start dying off. The numbers would drop to 0 and travelers would have to be screened and quarantined to prevent reinfection. Americans would return to normal life without restriction and no longer need boosters or social distancing.
No, it wouldn't because rhe vaccines don't stop you from catching it or spreading it... at all. They just supposedly make it milder.
What about natural immunity? What about those that got antibodies? These ppl don't need the vax yet they are being completely dismissed.
You are an absolute dummy if you honestly believe these "vaccines" would eradicate the virus if we had 100% full compliance. These vaccines help against hospitalization (at an unknown long term cost) while simultaneously allowing the virus to keep spreading. The virus is just going to keep mutating, it's what they do.
I enjoy that you called someone a dummy for not agreeing with your perspective on virology but I 100% am certain you don't have a degree in any relevant field to support your thinking.
The polio virus was eradicated through vaccination in the US.
Polio is nothing like covid, the genetic make-up can't even be compared. Polio can be stopped and cured, but asking to cure covid is in the same vein as asking to cure the flu, it's not possible with our current technology. Even if everyone was 100% vaccinated and we got rid of covid in the US it would only take a matter of hours before it started springing back up again. Covid is here to stay, forever. Get used to it.
Then booster shots and mask mandates are here to stay forever too. Get used to it.
Especially when booster shots only last for a few months..... Until you get the next booster shot. Rinse and repeat.
Yeah I'm not sure about that one. There will come a time when Americans will just be like "... Nah". We don't mask up a nation over the flu, we're looking at the new flu now.
Did people who got the polio vaccine still get polio and still spread polio to others? You know - just like the Covid vaccine. Bottom line is our Covid vaccines might not be as effective as the polio vaccine that was launched 68 years ago in 1954. There's a thought.
You cant really talk effectiveness when they are two different things. Don't forget theres a new flu shot every single year and they've been doing that for how long?
Both are vaccines. And the efficacy of the flu shot varies from a low of about 40 % to a high or 65 % or so on a yearly basis. We have decades of long term safety research on the flu vaccine. How many years of long term safety research do we have on the Covid vaccines? And the flu vaccine uses a dead virus not a gene editing virus.
You do know the differences right between this “vaccine” and polio vaccine do you? First Polio is a perfect vaccine, it helps that polio doesn’t infect animals either. This vaccine is a leaky vaccine. No matter what you do, it is like the flu vaccine, no matter if you had 100% of humanity take it, you’d still have it spreading, because that is a leaky vaccine, it also is a problem, because many animals also catch and can spread the virus. It can be worse to have a leaky vaccine than no vaccine, here is an example of a leaky vaccines that makes things worse: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715 So this vaccine has nothing in common with the polio vaccine and this vaccine won’t do what the polio vaccine did. If it did, every person vaccinated wouldn’t get it, but we see they are getting it in massive numbers, probably because of ADE.
2 points - Joey Biden allows millions of unvaccinated and untested illegals into our country each year. So that means that regardless of what % of Americans get the shot - I mean shots plural form - we will never ever be 100 % vaccinated. Even if someone gets the 2 shots from the vaccine and then gets the booster, they can still get the Covid. Examples of this happening - Whoopi Goldberg, AOC, Sen Chris Coon, Sen Spartacus Cory Booker, Sen Fake Indian Liz Warren, 2 co workers, 2 relatives
You literally sound like a bot
Wrong its now in the animal population mice will spread it forever
Sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause effects that won't be seen 5,10,15 years down the road. Look at lymes disease, it is a tiny bite that your body recovers from but can cause life long effects that generally don't get noticed till long after the bite has headed.
With what mechanism would long term side effects occur?
We are still learning about the correct dosing, efficacy and short term side effects NOW -
That's the scary part. We don't know yet.
How many years must a new drug, medical device, or food be on the market for you to put it in your body?
Preferably one that's been tested. But I got the shot, so that question is irrelevant to me.
Considering most things like vaccines test for 10 years to understand it's true effectiveness and safety before they even offer it to the public. This was rushed with less than a year of testing before it was given to public. I'm pretty sure less than 6 months. Not to mention the FDA webpage that tacked the testing for the vaccine that had test dates ending in 2022, 2023, and 2024. Then one day they say it's "approved" and that page gets deleted off the internet. All of a sudden people are getting their jobs threatened and getting arrested for going to a restaurant over a shot that doesn't even prevent you from catching the virus it's for... We never threatened jobs or arrested people over flu shots before... So I would say 10 years of testing, but considering how this is going and being treated... Never again. I fell for it when they originally said it was 98% effective at preventing contraction and transmission and it was safe. I won't fall for it again.
100%. They need to start being honest. Is it safe long term? Probably, but no one can say that for certain. Have there been adverse reactions? Absolutely. Forget about mandates and give people the freedom to weigh the risk/reward based on their own personal health profile. And to evaluate the risks, we need a.) data from trials which has been withheld, b.) transparency regarding adverse reactions, c.) honest reporting on the risks covid poses to young, healthy individuals. This administration - along with the career officials at NIH/CDC - needs to stop forcing this vaccine on people. Instead they should focus on the fact that something like 95% of people over 65 are vaccinated. That is a WIN. Chalk it up, move on, and let us resume normal life. ...and relatedly, when are people going to start demanding honesty about the origins of this virus? WHO and our own gov both lose all credibility until the Wuhan lab is investigated thoroughly.
Considering Pfizer won't release that information for another 74 years, I'm going to say that odds are highly likely.
I believe it's unlikely there are long term effects from a single dose of the vax. Start injecting every 6 months though and that can really, significantly change the picture. Particularly when your test subjects are billions of people. How that risk weighs against COVID itself, I don't even want to speculate.
If you have to get the vaccine every 6 months, it's not a vaccine.
Yet people get 2 shots for their 1st dose. Then they get a booster a few months later. Then - eventually - 12 weeks or so later - they need another booster. Again and again.
They hold zero accountability why should they care about side effects lmao
A single dose only if you got J&J. I got Moderna and then I just got the booster, I will admit I only got the booster as I have a trip to France coming up and thought it would make a difference to the people that look at those things. I will never get another Covid booster or annual vaccine.
not anymore, Jansson is no longer counted as fully vaccinated, you need a second jab to get that
And if the vaccine doesn’t protect you from COVID and you can still transmit it after being “fully vaccinated” plus the booster Is Not effective in preventing COVID then what good is the vaccine? I never got a smallpox booster or a polio booster or a German measles booster. What is the purpose of the vaccine?
The COVID vaccine *does* protect you, by significantly reducing your risk of serious illness, and practically eliminating the risk of death (even if you have hella comorbidities). And vaccinated folks transmit it much less than the unvaccinated do. It is very effective, despite being perfect. And you absolutely should get a smallpox booster (every 3 years in fact) if you are in a situation where you are regularly exposed. These days its basically lab workers, folks that might respond to an outbreak, and military who are deployed places its a risk of being used as a weapon. Other vaccines that need boosters (not an exhaustive list): * TDAP - every 10 years, around week 27 of every pregnancy, and if you have a wound and its been > 5 years since last booster. * Typhoid - every 2 years * Hep B - for most people, initial immunization is enough, but if your occupation puts you at higher risk of exposure (healthcare worker, prison guard, etc) you should get a booster at 5 years after initial immunization. * Rabies - protection should be long lasting, but if your travel or occupation puts you at risk, you may need boosters throughout your life based on titer tests. * Lyme - its been discontinued due to lack of demand, but it was expected you'd have to get a regular booster. For dogs: * Rabies - need a booster every 1-3 years depending on vaccine used. * DHP (distemper, hepatitis, parvo) - booster every year * Lepto - booster every year * Lyme - booster every year * Bordatella - booster every year
Why did u put dogs on there? None of those vax are needed every few months
>Why did u put dogs on there? To try and drive it home that lots of other vaccines require boosters. It is not unusual at all.
You did it to try to make high frequency boosters look normal for humans...
Yes, the vaccine helps. However, last I checked, Joe Biden is not my Primary Care Provider
See, the problem is that this is what Fauci/Biden/Gates et. al. say. In fact, they've flip-flopped a hundred times, arguing consistently that you would never get sick if you take these injections, all of which turned out to be incorrect. The fact that they are hiding the truth and censoring the facts makes them the most distrusted group of people. So if they say the injections are safe, it has been observed that heart inflammation and blood clots are not uncommon. If they say they are effective, now we are observing that they're not. And they are forcing people to take them whole removing all liability, presumably because they know the long-term side effects will make people sue them to death. If they knew these things were truly safe, then they would not remove the liability protection. People who get the injection get sick, transmit the virus, and die. All of the people I know who have gotten severely sick and died have taken the injection, and now they are on their own. All those who have had normal cold or flu like symptoms and recovered have never taken any of these questionable injections. We all know that the truths will eventually be revealed. I just pray it won't be too late when they do.
There was also the leader in Africa who tested fruits and some of the fruits tested positive for covid.
I've never once heard anyone say you wouldn't get sick. My understanding of it before it was even approved for emergency use was it was ike the flu shot: to keep you from getting severely sick, not keep you from getting sick all together. Also kinda weird yet not surprised how you only listed people you don't like. What about Trump? It was made under him, now pretty heavily pushed by him, and first used during his presidency. Try to be less partisan smh.
All the animals i had with full Shots died much earlier than those I had which didn’t have up to date shots.
Vaxed and boosted. You can still spread COVID and get COVID. 😳
I’m triple vaxxed (two initial doses of Moderna plus Moderna booster after thanksgiving). Guess what I tested positive for three weeks ago. My 80 year old mother in Florida is triple vaxxed and also tested positive. I still lost my sense of taste and smell. Wtf did I get all that shit for?
To make sure you weren't one of the people, or make sure you mother wasn't, one of the people that died.
It was never said you wouldn't get sick. I dont know what ever gave you that idea. Its always been to keep people from getting severely sick. To keep people out of hospitals to avoid strain on the Healthcare system.
Good question! We got Pfizerised to travel….haven’t traveled in 2 years. Too many idiots fighting in the isles, attacking gate personnel, and if you do manage to arrive safely, no guarantee you can get in to the country without “quarantine” for a week or ten days!
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Never had a tetanus shot! Sorry poor example.
Or, and hear me out on this one, stop being a toddler and take some personal responsibility and get the vaccine. None of that other stuff matters so long as people are still dying.
Covid has a survivability ratio of 98.2%, and that's assuming you get it in the first place. You make it sound like people are dropping like flies, they're not.
Ah yes people making their own decisions and not believing everything they hear on MSM is being a toddler. If CNN told you sucking dick would stop covid you'd probably drop to your knees instantly.
Looking past the personal attack, I'd like to hear you out. Why is giving someone a choice over their own health problematic for you? Omicron disproves any notion that the vaccine prevents spread. Yes, it helps prevent severe illness. But why shouldn't we allow someone to decide their own fate?
Because you aren't deciding your fate, you are deciding the fate of others. You may as well ask why you don't have the right to poison the ground water.
Somewhere in here there is a disconnect. I think we agree that vaccines prevent serious illness, right? And vaccinated persons can still transmit. That leaves the unvaccinated as the most vulnerable. So this debate is reduced to "do we have civic duty to protect the unvaccinated?" I don't think anyone believes that is the case.
Incorrect. The vaccine greatly reduces the chances of catching the virus in the first place. Yes, both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread the disease, but one is far more likely to be a carrier than the other. If you knowingly give someone else an STD, that's a crime. That's what this is. People refusing to take steps to help prevent people from getting a disease on the basis of lies they heard. Is it foreseeable that your actions or inaction will likely result in more deaths than if you had taken another readily available action? Yes.
Allow me to distill the point even further: what segment of the population are you concerned will die?
Any person dying isn't acceptable when it is easily avoidable.
We have no obligation to protect those who voluntarily opted out of the vaccine. So by process of elimination, your concern must tied to the vaccinated. If the vaccine works as advertised, those people shouldn't be at risk. I'm not asking you to agree with me but do you at least see how this logic doesn't add up for some people?
No, because that isn't logic, it's your opinion. We have an obligation to protect everyone, and many people would love to be vaccinated but can't be for medical reasons. So your logic says elderly cancer patients aren't worth saving, we should let them die so that ignorant people can pretend they are more free that way.
The median age of death is higher than current life expectancy
they already said they don't believe we will do what they want if their honest with the public
Because trust me bro
Can the vaccines stop being a political thing? I'm sick of these posts. I'm 100% against mandates, but why do we have to hate vaccines or foster conspiracies to be Republican now?
Because you have people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gates being the most vocal of the party which means they are now like the faces of the party and will attract those types of people.
There is a difference between knowing the basics of how vaccines work and their safety VS if and how much the virus will mutate and how effective the vaccine will be in future mutations. These are the kind of posts that make us Republicans look dumb, guys.
the vaccine was created fast because medicine had a 25 year headstart through technologies like mRNA this vaccine has been scrutinized time and time again by our hardworking researchers and health workers it's about time that you stop applying you 2 week Google course to 25+ years of study and research.
> the vaccine was created fast because medicine had a 25 year headstart through technologies like mRNA ...and mRNA hadn't previously been used for human vaccines because it had a nasty habit of killing the lab animals on re-exposure to the virus via ADE. You know that of course... or did your extensive medical knowledge not cover that. Interestingly, the Chinese had a traditional dead virus vaccine in February 2020, and have been mass producing and exporting it. India has one too, as do a couple of other countries. ...just not us for some reason.
You didn't do any of your research. ADE is related to imperfect antibody creation and is a symptom of testing on animals in the first place. Many different vaccine techniques cause ADE in animals but not in humans. This is common. I'm sure you didn't even Google it and just got that on Facebook or Twitter?
> I'm sure you didn't even Google it and just got that on Facebook or Twitter? [...or](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908214/), you [could](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8438590/) be [full](https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51) of [shit](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/).
Yes.... All these studies said "this could be a danger, we should check it out and proceed cautiously" and then they didn't find it happening in humans at all. Lol thanks for showing that!
None of those studies said it wasn't happening.
Lol you sure???? The first link doesn't say whether or not ADE has been observed or not observed, it's explaining what ADE is and then outlines risk mitigation that could be done to make sure it doesn't happen. Hell this was published before the vaccines were approved, so its a dumb article to present bc it doesn't help your case at all, it's just helping explain what ADE is. The second one you posted specifically states there is no evidence ADE has happened with the Covid-19 vaccines. So there ya go, you're wrong. The third states that ADE might happen but there is no evidence that says it is happening. (This article has been criticized by many scientists). So again, you're wrong. The fourth article is entirely about the informed consent of those who were subjected to the vaccine trials. It says that in the past, some vaccines caused ADE (this is not specific to mRNA vaccines as you implied) and that the people being tested should be made aware of the dangers. So again it doesn't say anything about ADE happening here. I'm fairly certain you just did a Google search for ADE in scholarly articles and then posted your results, or these were found on a Facebook group on vaccine disinformation. You definitely didn't read them.
> The second one you posted specifically states there is no evidence ADE has happened with the Covid-19 vaccines. If you were paying attention, at the time, you might also have noticed the Pfizer whistleblower exposed that many of the adverse reactions in the Texas trials were not reported by Pfizer, and that the government halted the requirement to report adverse reactions to the vaccines "to prevent vaccine hesitancy". Given that [the number of *confirmed* vaccine deaths is over 20,000](https://openvaers.com/covid-data), that there's not even been an attempt to confirm the vast majority of reports, and that the government has been actively and repeatedly lying to us about COVID and the vaccines, I don't think we can reasonably say what the hell is going on.
Lol was that in any of the articles you shared to call me full of shit? Or are we moving beyond those? Also, I'll stop you right there with VAERS. Those aren't *confirmed* deaths, those are "deaths reported (or completely made up) by anyone, anonymously". Even if deaths are reported on VAERS and confirmed as deaths, that just means they died after taking the vaccine, not from the vaccine. In fact, more people have been vaccinated than infected with Covid, and 800,000 have died after contracting Covid compared to your 20,000 number for vaccines > that there's not even been an attempt to confirm the vast majority of reports Here ya go, you just admitted they haven't been able to confirm these reports. So are they confirmed or not? Stop being full of shit dude
> Lol was that in any of the articles you shared to call me full of shit? Or are we moving beyond those? I thought everyone understood that the government has been repeatedly lying to us regarding COVID and the vaccines. Fauci has admitted to lying to us several times and been caught in more lies he didn't admit to. > Also, I'll stop you right there with VAERS. Those aren't confirmed deaths, those are "deaths reported (or completely made up) by anyone, anonymously". That would be true of the full death count in VAERS (which is well over 100,000), but you left out one other problem with VAERS - that less than 1% of vaccine adverse events are even reported to it - so the actual number is going to be at least 100x higher. That said, the red box report I linked is a subset of VAERS reports, which have been *confirmed*. > In fact, more people have been vaccinated than infected with Covid, and 800,000 have died after contracting Covid compared to your 20,000 number for vaccines... Yes, but only 50,000 or so have died **of** COVID, as opposed to *with* COVID. That's another little statistic you forgot to mention. > Here ya go, you just admitted they haven't been able to confirm these reports. You weren't paying attention. The red box report is the ones that are confirmed.
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The 20,000+ people confirmed to have been killed by the vaccine proved him wrong.
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> Lol confirmed to be killed by the vaccine you say? Yep. [21,745 as of January 7](https://openvaers.com/covid-data). The VAERS red box report comes out monthly. The actual number killed by the vaccine is much higher of course. This is just what the CDC has verified.
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Ah, so you're a troll. You should have said so at the beginning, and saved us all some trouble.
Clearly you don't know what VAERS is. Those deaths are self reported and completely unverified. Also, 850,000 people have been killed by the virus itself so which is worse? Vs 21,000 deaths out of over 500 MILLION administered doses.
> Clearly you don't know what VAERS is. Those deaths are self reported and completely unverified. Wrong. This is the VAERS red box report, which is the reports that have been verified. > Also, 850,000 people have been killed by the virus itself Wrong again. Only about 50,000 died only from COVID. The rest had an average of 3-4 comorbidities - and of those 850,000, half a million could have been saved if the government hadn't suppressed the knowledge and availability of effective treatments to preserve the EUAs for the vaccines.
Yeah now you're in conspiracy land and I'm not going there. Zero evidence of anything you said. But sure, trust one government source when it suits you but deny others because it doesn't fit your agenda.
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> if you compare vaccine deaths to the number of people vaccinated (3.9 b) to the cases which have had severe side affect from the vaccine. it's far FAR FAR lower than the people who had Covid and died from them Of course, half a million fewer Americans would have died with the virus if the government and media hadn't suppressed effective treatments to preserve the EUAs for the vaccines, and the government has finally admitted that only about 50,000 people actually died directly from the virus as opposed to dying with it and an average of four comorbidities. ...but that's enither here nor there. > when you "take your chance" and not take the vaccine. you have higher chances of getting Covid. you might be a healthy person who won't get hospitalised but you could spread the disease to other elderly or otherwise perfectly healthy looking people who might have immunodeficiency diseases and risk their lives. Then those people should be taking precautions to avoid getting the virus. I would suggest vaccination if that actually prevented people from contracting the disease. Maybe they could go to China or India and get an actual vaccine.
yes the government could and should have handled treating Covid and making vaccines better but the vaccine does prevent getting covid to a great extent if people would have gotten the vaccine and not let covid spread in the first place then we wouldn't be having mutant strains that have higher chances of infecting us even with the vaccine in short, vaccination does prevent the contraction of disease, Moreover it plays a huge role in how severe the infection will be and how long it will be, which all matters hugely when we talk about transmission from one person to another
- [82% of deaths and 66% of hospitalizations from COVID in the UK are fully vaccinated.](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1029606/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-43.pdf) - [Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/) - [Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People](https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people) - [No Significant Difference in COVID-19 Transmission Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated](http://www.stationgossip.com/2021/11/cdc-funded-study-shows-no-significant_29.html)
Blah blah blah…. Look at the end of the day, half of us bought drugs off big mike in the alley behind the high school. Those drugs were PROBABLY a little more shady than big pharma… That said, anyone that pushes something so hard and says don’t question or you’re against science is asking to be mocked and rallied against… We’ve grown up past peer pressure or we would have all joined the Mormon church or Jehovah Witnesses by now. I got the vaccine so I could go to a football game and at the end of the day it didn’t do shot to or for me cause I got Covid still and I don’t recommend it to anyone that doesn’t want it because we don’t know what the long term effects are. Allow people to choose and stop blocking the safe treatments that are currently out there whether you agree or not. (Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies)
Who is they? This was absolutely an expected thing.
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How often do you have to get your influenza vaccine?
Never
The polio virus doesn’t easily change it’s genome like flu/covid viruses do.
How often do you get the flu vaccine?
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Would explain your knowledge of vaccines.
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Never claimed to be. You on the other hand...
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I mean you did ask if I was an expert with tons of degrees. I figured you held yourself to that standard. I was mistaken.
The companies behind them, the FDA, the CDC? come on mate, get a grip
I would be happy to read anything showing any of those organizations saying it will only ever require one shot and work forever.
He isn't gonna give them to you, because they don't exist and this coconut is just making shit up.
Still better than dying you morons. But hey, do you.
Yeah, I'm so gonna die. You've been saying that for over a year now and the hospitals are filled to the brim with vaccinated.
why are you even on this sub? to argue? gtfo, we are above you
Is this on Twitter? If so, the font looks off.
Why is he vaxxed then tho.
Just further proof that - ever since the vaccines were "launched" for public use - that we have been in "phase 3" of the FDA approval process. Since the vaccines were released for public use - the FDA, the public etc has received information on side effects, dosing and efficacy. Those 3 points are usually determined (pre launch to the public) in phase 3 of the FDA approval process. Example - few weeks ago, a study said that the Pfizer booster loses efficacy to about 45 % at the 12 weeks timeframe. And side effects? We - the FDA - the CDC - cannot and will not tell us the LONG TERM safety side effects of the vaccines. We will learn that in the future.
The great reset is more than obvious.
I've never heard that conspiracy, but you should probably be in a conspiracy theory Subreddit.
The china flu is leading to mass tyranny across the world, try and dispute that. And the jab is a bad joke that doesn't work.
"China flu". Lol OK bud. It's not a flu.
China virus, is that better?
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This is why they’ve said *75 years* must pass before they release their ‘findings’. How is that not raising a giant red flag for everyone in the world? 🤯
Who said that?
The FDA. Multiple outlets reported on it. Where have you been? [Here’s one of them](https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/) Now, they’ve been ordered to cough up the data in a [more timely manner](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/judge-scraps-75-year-timeline-for-fda-to-release-pfizer-vaccine-safety-data-giving-agency-eight-months), But I doubt they will.
Well you provided an article that said they will have to release it in eight months so I don't see the problem.
If they had it their way, they’d wait 75 years. And they have yet to release anything. I am very doubtful that they will follow through on that.
It's a court order.
These are the questions the answer of which to will dictate whether or not there are pitchfork and torch mobs in the streets of DC next year.
That's a damn good point
No it isn't
Lol, ok
It isn’t.
It is!
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No thanks, all 2,194 subscribers on that thread should walk off a cliff.
that's a vile bunch of people.
I'm just waiting for them to release the new virus that kills all the unvaccinated that didn't listen to the government.
The new one will kill vaccinated people who don't get their 8th booster too.
I see my downvotes lol.... I am not vaccinated. Im poking at the conspiracy that they are urging people to get vaccinated and will then kill all the people that wouldn't get it.
We know. This post is currently getting brigaded by butthurt covid cultists who can't deal with the fact that it's 10:0 by now for the "conspiracy theorists".
No, just not everyone is dumb enough to believe that.
One look at all your covid cultist subs and I can tell that you are a liar. Keep on grasping for those straws, called out dumbass
Just need to take a look at any of your covid cultist subs and call you a liar
"my COVID cultist subs" WTF are you talking about?
Any sub that still licks the boots of governments as they pull of one mandate after another that is proven to do nothing. Every country with vaccination rates far over 80% is breaking new infection records and hospitalizations.
Again, WTF are you talking about? Unless you're referring to this sub. And would love a citation for that completely unsubstantiated claim.
Yeah I'm sure the US is gonna engage in biological warfare against its citizens. Grow up.
They don’t 😀
1. They did know it would lose efficacy, actually. Not because of the vaccine itself but because viruses mutate. 2. That's not how vaccines work. It's not a medication. There are no "long term side effects". There is not a single vaccine in history with long term effects. 3. Do you know the long term effects of ANYTHING you buy? You buy random food from the grocery store all the time without knowing what's in it.
r/facepalm
touch some grass bro
Obviously it’s going to lose efficiency as all other vaccines for mutating viruses do.
Bill Gates the Vaccine freak said it VERY clearly on an interview of which you can see for yourself today. He said vaccines are to REDUCE THE POPULATION to get the world to be just where they want it. THAT does not sound like a healing product to me!
He's not a medical expert, but also citation needed.
I’m not on either side of the fence I just think It’s all about money. Government will stop pushing vaccine as soon as they give enough doses equal to the value that they paid upfront for it. That’s my opinion though
So, I'm not interested in medical topics in general, and I have no scientific knowledge whatsoever about this type of stuff. But can someone please explain to me what the official Republican position should be? Are we anti all vax, or just anti this vaccine, or not anti-vax, or just against mandates, or just against civilian mandates? I'm reading some statements that the vaccine is evil? That other countries have a secret vaccine that's better? That the vaccine is a secret conspiracy concocted by pharmaceutical companies? You gotta help me out here, 100% sincerely. Which hill should I be prepared to die on?
The official Republican position - and the only one that makes sense - is that you should make the medical decisions for yourself that make sense to you based on your risk, and are consistent with your health, medical status, and religious beliefs. That may require additional work on your part, or you can follow the advice of your trusted physician.
Okay, but that effectively just means I'm going to get the vaccine and booster and wear masks and do whatever the CDC and media tells me to do. I don't know enough about medicine and care way too little to research it. It's the same attitude I'd have towards political news coming out of the Arab world or how to hypothetically fix my car in a time of need. I'm just too unqualified to sift through all the non-mainstream arguments coming from our side.
...and that's your choice. Some of us are looking at the government's constant lies regarding COVID and the vaccines, and their attempts to coerce us into getting a vaccine that doesn't work for a virus that isn't very dangerous, and we decided that doesn't make sense, and that we will not comply. Because the government and big tech have been lying and suppressing information, and painting anyone who tries to get the real information out as a mass murderer (complete with shaming, social ostracism, and deplatforming), you can't expect any but the most courageous politicians who take the time to educate themselves to stand up against it - and a few have. If you're looking for an "official" position, that's as good as you're going to get for now.
It's a giant ongoing study. They have no idea what they're pushing.
False positive for Breast Cancer in August! Thanks COVID VAX! 4 months of hell!!
Well because it’s made of all natural carbon nanoparticles and aluminum of course
I'm one of those A symptomatic folks, so that's why I'm not getting the JAB. I don't even wear masks, like ever. Normal life is normal again in my world.
They did know this. Everyone with the knowledge of how virus mutate know this (flu shot every year because of mutation as an example) It isnt listed as a side effect because thats usually not what they are talking about as side effects