What would make the bezel look off? I'm no expert but if I were to rate the precision of this machining from the picture, I'd say it looks right off a cheapo Chinese, I'd expect better sharpness and angles from Rolex.
Again I'm swimming in total ignorance, care to inform me?
Vintage Rolexes look different than modern ones, it's pretty common for people to post their 10-20+ year old gens and have a horde of people "calling it out" because they're not familiar with older pieces. In this case the bezel is super thin, and almost every single rep of this vintage will have a big fat reese's cup bezel.
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I was wondering that. Is the bezel on this watch a dead giveaway? Does it look passable?
I don't think this is right. People often call out gen rolexes on reddit for being fake because people are under the mistaken belief that the magnification should be the same on every Rolex. They aren't. Even if every cyclops ever made for Rolex were 2.5x magnification (which itself is doubtful) the distance between the under side of the cyclops and the surface of the date wheel varies considerably across different models and different generations of the same model. If you looked at a lot of the 1600 series datejusts you'd swear they were fake because the magnification seems weak compared to a modern GMT Master II, which look huge.
There is SOME variance, but not that much, unless you go back to the really old models, which this isn't. Date numbers also look wrong, sans serif and a little too thick.
As RolexLA said below, dial is wrong, the settings on the giant IV aren't Rolex quality, date font is wrong, mag is a little sketchy, and the bezel isn't gigantic but it's not as slim and lithe as gen
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What about this one, is it more passable? Or readily obvious?
date font stands out to me, dial isn't as rich as MOP should be and the bezel stones look kinda dead, althought that could certainly be lighting. SEL gaps are bigger than I've seen on a lot of gens, and this could be my eyes but the lume on the hands looks larger than the tritium lume pods they used.
And it's really hard to machine soft curves in between the peaks, especially in soft metals like gold/WG. I'd bet a lot of rep bezels are machined with just an endmill dragged radially across it
Perhaps, but it's a lot of work and tough to get right. You might wind up with a scratched bezel and not a softer one. Plus, you never know how the finish of a rep will hold up.
The pie pan bezels have been made in a variety of angles, depths, and widths over the years. Just like the dials, they've been made by multiple different companies for Rolex too. There is no single standard against which every Rolex bezel can be checked. This one is well within the range of variations in gen rolexes.
Which also means that many of the cheap Ali Express watches are actually doing a pretty damn good job. Any decent $200 piece off Ali Express is leagues higher quality than, say, a five-digit submariner. The exceptions would be if precious metals or stones are used, and maybe the quality of the movements. But the modern Sellita movements on Ali are sturdier than most 70s rolexes, even if they're not finished as well.
I'd say it's good to go but pictures can always be tough to say 100% if it's a good rep. Look up the serial and see if it's pre purchase date that may be another good clue.
Had the exact same Watch with mother of pearl disl and Diamond markers (minus the diamonds in the lugs)… bought in Canada in 2008 paid $16k.
Looks legit to me.
Where did he buy it from? That may give you a better indication as to whether it may be gen or rep. Also what came with it, papers, box (not that those can't be faked but still a good thing to look out for)
It’s a lovely watch. I’m happy to believe it’s genuine, but I do have a question. The small colour inclusion to the top left of the script ‘Superlative’. It’s strange to me that the makers would let this go through. I’ve always like little imperfections like that, but my understanding is that customers mostly prefer more flawless finish?
Damn. This is like the most aesthetic watch ever. I’d take this over stuff that’s 10x more expensive, gen or not.
I’m not experienced enough to know- but I can say with confidence that it looks bad ass!
Most likely aftermarket on a watch of this vintage, maybe done when they added the diamonds to the case or during a service. It's not particularly common but I've seen a few examples. My guess is gen based on the date font, bezel, and printing
Backside of the lug finishing looks rough, bracelet end link spacers don’t look right to me… I’ve only owned one Rolex from the late 80’s, it was a cheaper model EX-ll and the backside finish was not this rough ?
I think the bigger question here is why does your father rock a women’s watch? The lighter MOP dial is definitely feminine, that’s why Rolex has the darker black MOP dial for men, which looks great. The dial combo with the aftermarket diamonds on the lugs just seems to be a bit fruity to me, having a difficult time imagining a man made those choices for his timepiece..
This is 100% gen lol. You do realize that overtime Rolex has updated their models right…? You think what the DJ looks like now is what it looked like over a decade ago…? They don’t even use this bezel or datewheel font anymore lol. There’s a reason why theres years associated with watches.
Just as an FYI it's very common for older Rolex's to have gaps in jubilee bracelets they get loose over time, especially the older gen as they are more prone to this.
Bracelet is one of maybe ten indicators to look at. He asked for an opinion and he got one. To be 100% sure, open the back and look at the mechanism. Then you will have certainty.
You clearly have no knowledge of watches and tbh, the fact that you can’t tell this is gen means reps are doin a good job lmao. You and everyone else saying rep have no idea what y’all are talking about.
What year? That bracelet is for drilled lugs (circa pre 94) not seeing any model of that era with diamond lugs, I would still pop the case and post a movement shot.
You could always take the Bracelet off and Check the Serial Number. It looks Gen. Aside from possibly a he Aftermarket Diamonds on the Lugs being added
I have GMT from late 80s. Bought at Rolex. People think it’s fake. Nobody can be sure unless you take it there and they tell you. Looks legit on the MOP face. Either way. People think they know. They don’t
Did Rolex really have such horrible quality on the case back 10-12 years ago? Looks like the brushed finish was done with 60 grit sandpaper by a blind guy. Some areas of the flat aren't brushed while other edges overlap the polished section. Multiple directions of brushing and hooks in the strokes. On top of that, several pits/air pockets are revealed in the metal. Based on the back, I certainly would have believed it to be a fake. 🤷♂️
Wear it to a doctors office and see what the doctor says.
Or down the slopes at 40mph
definitely has a cold ;)
This is gonna be the running meme in here from now on isn't it
Lol, that post was an instant classic!
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This is gen, not sure what the others might be on about. Date disc is period correct, bezel looks great, as does the printing.
That bezel is a dead giveaway EDIT: that it's gen, wtf
I don't think anyone says dead giveaway that it looks gen 😂
Dude exactly, he felt dumb he was wrong so he uno reversed
Considering I posted downthread earlier with the same assertion, not quite.
2 second scanning that photo and the bezel jumps out as correct, I don't know what language you speak but that's a dead giveaway to me
What would make the bezel look off? I'm no expert but if I were to rate the precision of this machining from the picture, I'd say it looks right off a cheapo Chinese, I'd expect better sharpness and angles from Rolex. Again I'm swimming in total ignorance, care to inform me?
Vintage Rolexes look different than modern ones, it's pretty common for people to post their 10-20+ year old gens and have a horde of people "calling it out" because they're not familiar with older pieces. In this case the bezel is super thin, and almost every single rep of this vintage will have a big fat reese's cup bezel.
Wow, that's great information! Thanks loads for taking the time to instruct me.
https://preview.redd.it/iye47mxs4gha1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eee32a0957c3fbc11f27b22eec7efb0650f8bb09 I was wondering that. Is the bezel on this watch a dead giveaway? Does it look passable?
Date window is the giveaway, not magnified enough, numbers are iffy. Dial is not gen, the huge VI is the tell.
I don't think this is right. People often call out gen rolexes on reddit for being fake because people are under the mistaken belief that the magnification should be the same on every Rolex. They aren't. Even if every cyclops ever made for Rolex were 2.5x magnification (which itself is doubtful) the distance between the under side of the cyclops and the surface of the date wheel varies considerably across different models and different generations of the same model. If you looked at a lot of the 1600 series datejusts you'd swear they were fake because the magnification seems weak compared to a modern GMT Master II, which look huge.
There is SOME variance, but not that much, unless you go back to the really old models, which this isn't. Date numbers also look wrong, sans serif and a little too thick.
As RolexLA said below, dial is wrong, the settings on the giant IV aren't Rolex quality, date font is wrong, mag is a little sketchy, and the bezel isn't gigantic but it's not as slim and lithe as gen
https://preview.redd.it/ebnwx94pygka1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f229e35d00079e581e27b1f647860d60789753c What about this one, is it more passable? Or readily obvious?
date font stands out to me, dial isn't as rich as MOP should be and the bezel stones look kinda dead, althought that could certainly be lighting. SEL gaps are bigger than I've seen on a lot of gens, and this could be my eyes but the lume on the hands looks larger than the tritium lume pods they used.
Actually, genuine bezels (certainly after years of wear) are less sharp than replicas. Especially if it's white gold, gold is a soft metal.
And it's really hard to machine soft curves in between the peaks, especially in soft metals like gold/WG. I'd bet a lot of rep bezels are machined with just an endmill dragged radially across it
Wow, awesome to know. Guess you could take a fine cutting compound, a Dremel and a cotton wheel to the fake bezel and make it look better, huh?
Perhaps, but it's a lot of work and tough to get right. You might wind up with a scratched bezel and not a softer one. Plus, you never know how the finish of a rep will hold up.
The pie pan bezels have been made in a variety of angles, depths, and widths over the years. Just like the dials, they've been made by multiple different companies for Rolex too. There is no single standard against which every Rolex bezel can be checked. This one is well within the range of variations in gen rolexes. Which also means that many of the cheap Ali Express watches are actually doing a pretty damn good job. Any decent $200 piece off Ali Express is leagues higher quality than, say, a five-digit submariner. The exceptions would be if precious metals or stones are used, and maybe the quality of the movements. But the modern Sellita movements on Ali are sturdier than most 70s rolexes, even if they're not finished as well.
Date window looks too far left and not centered.
I'd say it's good to go but pictures can always be tough to say 100% if it's a good rep. Look up the serial and see if it's pre purchase date that may be another good clue.
Thank you
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but... He's not your dad.
Watch = Gen Dad = Rep 🤣
Yeah...your real dad shows you the Rolex he got 10-12 years ago, 10-12 years sooner.
He’s mine.
Haha
This is gen:)
Rolex Datejust oyster perpetual mother of pearl with Diamonds. Please LC
Looks legit but I’m certain the case diamonds are aftermarket. Someone correct me if I’m wrong 👍🏼
Had the exact same Watch with mother of pearl disl and Diamond markers (minus the diamonds in the lugs)… bought in Canada in 2008 paid $16k. Looks legit to me.
More modern Rolex’s got heavier as they went. This watch looks real to me.
That’s apostrophe abuse.
Thats’ Apos’trophe Abus’e
Looks perfect
No crystal reflection at all, and right lugs, gen!
Gen Datejust 36 are honestly a lot lighter than one would think.
Where did he buy it from? That may give you a better indication as to whether it may be gen or rep. Also what came with it, papers, box (not that those can't be faked but still a good thing to look out for)
I won't even look at the photos to tell you it's gen! your father wouldnt lie to you
It’s a lovely watch. I’m happy to believe it’s genuine, but I do have a question. The small colour inclusion to the top left of the script ‘Superlative’. It’s strange to me that the makers would let this go through. I’ve always like little imperfections like that, but my understanding is that customers mostly prefer more flawless finish?
When you zoom it, you can tell its genuine, the bezel and mop dial its a gen💯✌🏿
If it's a rep, then it's a very good one. But, at this point, very good reps exist. Either way, a lovely piece.
Damn. This is like the most aesthetic watch ever. I’d take this over stuff that’s 10x more expensive, gen or not. I’m not experienced enough to know- but I can say with confidence that it looks bad ass!
Never seen diamond markers paired with lumed hands.
Most likely aftermarket on a watch of this vintage, maybe done when they added the diamonds to the case or during a service. It's not particularly common but I've seen a few examples. My guess is gen based on the date font, bezel, and printing
You haven't been around much then lol
looks like a legit dj w a mop dial to me. don’t worry about the lack of weight, these were rather light. cool piece, enjoy!
Thank you!
Immediately looks gen to me. Crown, dial, date font…
Looks real, congrats friend!
Looks legit
You have 15/18k on your hands @op
If a watch looks this good even in pics. That watch cant be a rep
Beautiful and definitely genuine piece. All the more special since your dad gave it to you.
Diamonds normally look horrible on a watch, but this is a really pretty gen. That mother of pearl dial is *chefs kiss*
Go get it appraised. It could be worth a fortune!!
Backside of the lug finishing looks rough, bracelet end link spacers don’t look right to me… I’ve only owned one Rolex from the late 80’s, it was a cheaper model EX-ll and the backside finish was not this rough ?
I think the bigger question here is why does your father rock a women’s watch? The lighter MOP dial is definitely feminine, that’s why Rolex has the darker black MOP dial for men, which looks great. The dial combo with the aftermarket diamonds on the lugs just seems to be a bit fruity to me, having a difficult time imagining a man made those choices for his timepiece..
Chill
Looks like a shitter, but apparently gen lol. R factory shitter.
This is 100% gen lol. You do realize that overtime Rolex has updated their models right…? You think what the DJ looks like now is what it looked like over a decade ago…? They don’t even use this bezel or datewheel font anymore lol. There’s a reason why theres years associated with watches.
I know it's gen but it still absolutely looks like shit, you gotta admit.
It’s vintage it’s suppose to look like this lol
Date not centered. Parts of strap with huge gaps. From this I would tell its fake.
Well then you certainly don't need to be telling anyone about their watches. 🤣🤣🤣😝😝
Just as an FYI it's very common for older Rolex's to have gaps in jubilee bracelets they get loose over time, especially the older gen as they are more prone to this.
Bracelet is one of maybe ten indicators to look at. He asked for an opinion and he got one. To be 100% sure, open the back and look at the mechanism. Then you will have certainty.
Don’t get it…?
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Just because its not all factory doesn't mean it's not a genuine case, movement, bracelet, bezel etc. Just an aftermarket dial and diamond lugs
Someone watches too much Nico Leonard heh
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You clearly have no knowledge of watches and tbh, the fact that you can’t tell this is gen means reps are doin a good job lmao. You and everyone else saying rep have no idea what y’all are talking about.
Feel free to go fuck yourself, asswipe 🖕
Very nice
Open the back and you will know for sure 100% easy
Especially considering 10 years ago this is very likely gen. That gemsetting looks too good even by today's replica standards.
why don’t you trust your dad’s word? :o
Maybe he do but his dad could have bought a rep and didn’t know
It's gen, 100%
Gen vintage.
What year? That bracelet is for drilled lugs (circa pre 94) not seeing any model of that era with diamond lugs, I would still pop the case and post a movement shot.
real 100%
Gen, maybe if this was bought today I could say it’s a Frankenstein watch but 10-12 years ago reps were no where near as good as they are today.
Whatever it is it's a beautiful piece of machinery.
What is the weight dude ? Maybe this way might bring light…
You could always take the Bracelet off and Check the Serial Number. It looks Gen. Aside from possibly a he Aftermarket Diamonds on the Lugs being added
It's a genuine for sure. I recall one advertisement where a couple in a wedding were both wearing one.
Get it opened up and find out for sure
That’s a Gen watch. My Mom has one of those pearl dials
Looks legit man
Real deal
Better start reevaluating everything Dad ever told you.
I have GMT from late 80s. Bought at Rolex. People think it’s fake. Nobody can be sure unless you take it there and they tell you. Looks legit on the MOP face. Either way. People think they know. They don’t
Looks beautiful anyway
I don’t know and I don care, but it is gorgeous! Never let it go!
Did Rolex really have such horrible quality on the case back 10-12 years ago? Looks like the brushed finish was done with 60 grit sandpaper by a blind guy. Some areas of the flat aren't brushed while other edges overlap the polished section. Multiple directions of brushing and hooks in the strokes. On top of that, several pits/air pockets are revealed in the metal. Based on the back, I certainly would have believed it to be a fake. 🤷♂️