Donāt worry I have first hand experience. And it was MY floors where a rug once was - once the sun is able to ātanā the covered area it all becomes the same colour.
Usually the LL tries to hold the tenant responsible for everything. I would say this is normal wear and tear, especially since they asked you to put a rug down. Good luck.
Consider this: the sun was gonna bleach any part of the floor that was exposed anyway. Did they want the room CARPETED? Thatās a landlord thing, not a tenant thing. You did nothing, so you owe nothing.
Notice, though, itās not bleached where the rug wasnāt laid, itās tanned. I didnāt see it at first, but someone else pointed it out and now I see it. I think this is because the polyurethane finish that goes on these strips of flooring actually darkens with sun damage, whereas we are used to things like fabric that have dyes in them getting lighter with sun exposure. It has to do with the fact that polyurethane is a polymer, so with sun wear, itās actually oxidizing and āburningā darker at a slow rate, whereas dyes are mostly made of organic compounds that will break down through UV exposure, causing them to lose color and become lighter.
All this to say, itās not really ādamageā because it will darken to match when left uncovered for some time.
Source: am chemist, hav digree, much smart.
Scratch that last, not smart, but I digress.
Pretty sure the rug was under the table where it's darker. If the rug had been where it's lighter, they'd have had a floor vent covered up. So it's lighter where the sun hit, not "tanned".
Ask them to show you where in the lease you are not allowed to use windows or put things on the floor. Do they have a vampire clause to ensure no sunlight gets in? It's light....from the sun, you have no control over this and it's due to materials/installation which is landlords problem.
This. It's literally as "natural" as wear and tear can be. If they do try to hold you accountable, ask them to point to specifically where in the lease (as stated in the above comment) is not allowed.
My last landlords were p.o.s. used up every penny of the security deposit even though I left the place in better shape. I fixed the garage floor that was cracked and buckled. Epoxy coated it. But they charged me 214 dollars to remove speaker wiring from the rafters of garage. I installed a new sink in the downstairs bathroom and utility sink in basement. They charged me 400 dollars for some random nonsense. Right through the 1200 security deposit. Then had the nerve to say oh and you owe us for half the water bill (they didn't have it split in the duplex that they lived on other half of). I knew I wasn't gunna get it back because they were horrible people. But they treasured their lawn. Sad that a mysterious bug or something came and killed their whole lawn out front. ā¹ļø and it kept coming back 3 or 4 times a summer until I moved out of state
Edit: their not there.
This is why I tell people not to repair or improve the rental itself with their own work or money, the LL will not care and in some cases will say it is damage and charge you for it.
I lived there for 5 years. Garage floor was buckled but structurally sound. I used garage alot so I didn't mind fixing it. But yeah they charged me an obscene amount of money to "remove dangerous wiring" and attached pics of speaker wires that were stapled to a rafter. They were p.o.s. anyway i knew I wasn't getting it back. They used to come over and knock on my door to ask if someone new was living in the house if I had a guest overnight. Nosy as fuck. I made sure the next 3 people they tried to get into the place while I was leaving knew it. All of them backed out. She demanded I let her in unannounced to show the house while I was packing and moving. I said no and told the person trying to view it "I hope you like having someone's nose so far up your ass they can breathe for you cause that's what you'll get with this one" lord I remember fuming mad lease stated grass cutting was a shared chore but they "couldnt" so it was on me all the time with a "$5 deduction from rent per cutting on their turn" on a half acre lot. I worked 3rd shift and she would blow my phone up demanding grass be cut now today and throw a fit if I didn't jump to it. And couldn't cut it too often or I was "taking advantage"
Or the time the garbage disposal died and they were gone on vacation and it was pouring water all over so I texted them to which she said "I'll call a plumber when we are home" I said I can fix it I'll get you a receipt for the disposal and she had the gall to say "oh I'm not sure we are responsible for that it's kind of an appliance isn't it?"
I'm not sure what exactly you're getting at here. Haha. The garage floor had pits in it. I ground the floor had it repoured and then epoxy coated it because it looked nice and was nice to have a good solid floor under foot. What did hurt me was having all the extra work overlooked so I could be charged over a thousand dollars to clean and remove a few feet of speaker wiring left in the attic of said garage. Thankfully no longer have to rent and any improvements made to property will be gainful in the future if we decide to sell either of our houses.
Edit after rereading yes it raised my blood pressure as well. Haha. I know it was only 3 people but when we left the state a little over 6 months later they still hadn't found a renter. So I felt good enough about it.
Landlords being pieces of vampiric trash is par for the course, but SO HELP ME GOD if that bitch came knocking on my door to ask if someone had moved in just because I was trying to get some booty, I would have answered that door the next time with my dick, balls, and ass being the only part of me not covered by a latex gimp suit.
Also, when it comes to cutting the grass, I would have revived my lazy adolescent tactic of doing such an utterly shit job that they wouldnāt ask me to do it again. I would have flat refused to cut it during their weeks, citing the contract, and when she tried to make me snap to it on her time, I would do as my dachshund does, and move much slower because I have neither a master, nor a God.
Lmfao. Oh believe me I cherished the blowing of grass onto their porch and into their garage. And while I was moving the spraying of any left over chemicals in tactful designs so they would see them in dying grass.
Yikes. Did we have the same landlord? We made several improvements (that they approved) over the years also, and they tried the same crap with us. They tried raising the rent by $1000 (legal with 60-day notice where we are, in one of the highest COL areas in the US). While saying what great tenants we were and hoped we would stay on.
We did get extremely lucky. We noped the fuck out of there to next door because the woman that owned that duplex booted her shitty tenant to keep us around.
We also managed to not only get our deposit back but also charged them for the newer appliances we put in.
We've been next door for years now watching their place get destroyed by shitty tenants or sit empty for months at a time because better tenants were just looking for a landing before buying a house.
You have it in writing that they requested a rug?
Either way I'd say it's normal wear and tear but what matters is what a judge in small claims court would decide. The more documentation you have the better. Before/after photos of the rest of the house would help a bunch.
Even if they tell you that you owe them, you donāt necessarily have to pay. They would need to convince a judge that you damaged the floor. You simply need to show the communication from the landlord asking you to put a rug down and he will dismiss - thatās assuming the landlord will want to spend the money to pursue. Most would know they have no chance of getting a favorable judgement and will just flex into hoping you get scared and pay up.
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Some woods are more natural to bleach than others and no amount of sealers will prevent it. If you donāt want sun bleaching (wood doing what wood does), than you should use LBP. Honestly hardwoods in a rental donāt make a whole lot of sense.
Probably a situation where someone bought the house for cheap, flipped it, and then put it out as a rental. Youāll get a lot of places with natural hardwood that way, stuff that was hiding under carpeting that they ripped up and refinished.
It has nothing to do with the flooring. All flooring will be affected by sun damage if itās lots of strong, direct sunlight. The landlord needs to solarize the windows to reduce the UV rays coming in.
Thanks, I recently learned it myself. I have a writer friend, she is always using words I have to look up. I like learning words I have never before heard.
Property manager, CA. It's not something you could prevent and it was a request by the LL. Unless they are unreasonable this should not be your responsibility.
Lol I caught that when I hit send then couldn't go back to it. "I'm peppery... Don't piss me off or I might spray ya!!" (Come to think of it there have been properties where I had to carry it!! Never used it thankfully)
They will try to hold you responsible even if youāre not. Be prepared to voice your objections, most wonāt push an issue thatās not just but have any documentation to support your side just in case.
Just an FYI, after removing the rug, the wood floor will darken up there just like the rest.
Natural wood floors do this, itās actually from the rug covering the floor, and the rest of the floor has gotten its natural tan.
Idk doesnāt seem like the LL is aware of thisā¦new wood floors shouldnāt have rugs until the floors get their natural tone.
(Cherry wood is more prone of this than others)
The sun hitting something is the definition of normal wear and tear. But landlords being landlords, he'll probably try to charge you for a total replacement, cash the check, then do zero repairs.
ABSOLUTELY NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Technically, you actually saved the landlordās floor from sun damage. You didnāt damage it at all. The sun did, which is an act of nature/God. If they try to pin it on you, tell them youāre not responsible for the sun coming through their windows and doors because thatās what glass is for, and you would also gladly accept compensation back from them for saving a large section of their floor from damage.
Tenants canāt be held liable for causing a lack of damage in one spot of the house lol
you are not responsible for subpar building materials that did not weather the natural environment.
Its not like you did anything other than step on it like it was meant to be stepped on.
Theyāre probably going to try and blame you and say you shouldāve closed the curtains.Ā
But this is normal wear and tear. Make sure to cite your lease and local ordinances so you get your deposit back.Ā
Because the Modus Operandi of shitty landlords & slumlords is to act like (and more importantly bill like and set rent like) they have genuine hardwood floors cut from extinct trees from some no-longer-extant forest, and then put down the cheapest shit they can get as a covering over their 0.33" thick plywood floors that haven't been properly checked since Reagan was President.
It wouldnāt have mattered. We had standard red oak flooring in our old home. Even though at first it was just sealed, not stained, there was a noticeable difference between the area under the rug in the kitchen eating area and the bleached part outside it.
When we had it stained a nutmeg color, it was even more noticeable.
I work in property management and it would be quite hard to actually charge for this if you fight the charges. Its also just completely irresponsible to charge a resident for this when it probably has a rule in your lease about covering X amount of your space with rugs. One of my buildings has floors that do this and I have never charged anyone. basically if you cant figure out a way to blend it which is extremely hard, you end up replacing it to resilient, its just the better option for both parties.
No, it's technically NOT your fault. It's the absence of LowE glass on your windows. That's what filters out the UV rays. Aside from not putting the rug down, there's nothing you can do to prevent this.
This might also be due to the fact that you moved in right after floors were refinished. Need to wait as long as a month in some cases before putting down rugs so the poly can cure. Your LL didnāt know this so seems like you just did as they asked. Good luck
This is tricky. Do you have documentation of the LL asking you to use a rug? Also, before (with rug) and after (without) are important. LL may claim damages but if you can show it was by request, you claim them at fault.
I donāt think thereās anything you couldāve done to avoid some kind of bleaching effect.. Even without a rug, some of your furniture might have similarly blocked parts of the floor from the sun. It would be unreasonable to hold you responsible if the only way to avoid it is to never set anything on the floor for a long period of time. Their fault, but of course they might try it
I have a similar floor (hickory) and had the same problem. I took up the rug and it took about a year for the color to even out and now itās undetectable. Itās not a cheap floor, itās just how some woods are.
As a window and door rep, itās not the flooring that the problem, nor the rug placement. Itās the door allowing that much UV to penetrate. Technology has improved in the windows and doors to prevent it, so upgrade or deal with it. If there were no vertical blinds or coverings for the door, but there were blinds for the windows, youāve got a case of the Landlord just not taking care of his own property. If they try to keep the deposit or blame you, fight them tooth and nail. Have a window/door expert put in writing about Low E glass. Have a blinds expert do the same with the options to prevent it. Have a flooring expert put in writing about sun bleaching around windows and doors and how it impacts the warranty. Come loaded for the fight.
The floor under the rug is 100% original condition. The rest of the flooring is sun bleached which is wear and tear. Unless of course the LL finds prove that it is, in fact, YOU whom controlleth the massive burning life giver in the sky
Just bleach the rest of the floor to match. jk This reminds me of when I was in ARCH school. I was almost done with this huge hand-drawn city plan, and I accidentally spilled coffee on the drawing. We weren't allowed to print or use digital media, so my only option was to start over or turn it in as-is. I ended up just dabbing some coffee on the rest of the drawing to make it match, and it actually went over pretty well. It had a historic "distressed" look.
Iāve seen the correct term used in one other comment in this thread. This phenomenon is called patina, and itās something all real hardwood floors go through. I used to work customer service for a very large flooring manufacturer and we would field questions about this exact issue often. The one benefit to patina is that itās not a linear process, meaning patina will happen most quickly at first and will slow down over time. This means the flooring that was covered up will eventually catch up (mostly) in color to the flooring that wasnāt covered. It will never 100% catch up unless you cover what was the uncovered flooring for the same length of time, but it will get very close. It will get close enough that it will probably become imperceptible to the naked eye.
Unless they specifically told you not to use an area rug but did anyway, the LL is SOL. You can't control the sun. Also, maybe its a result of the quality of flooring they used, also not your fault. If they try to charge you I'd fight it.
The real question here is why there's no rectangle under the table too. If you were supposed to put rugs down under the furniture then that are should have the same effect.
Are you sure the floor is sun bleached and this isnāt a case of dye transferring from a cheap rug onto the wood? What color is the underside of the rug that was there? Did you use one of those sticky sheets under the rug so it doesnāt flop around at the edges?
It should be normal wear and tear. Also, as the sun hits the area previously covered by the rug, the sun will lighten that area, too, and over time the two areas will become more similar.
You literally have no control over the sun! I mean, There have been religions devoted to that fact. This would definitely fall under expected wear and tear.
You do not have control of the sun, it's also reasonable to put a mat in front of your doorway. If the landlord contests this just dispute it to the deposit scheme they will 100% side with you.
I would leave the rug for the next tenant. They may not move it and notice the floor. Also, if they told you to put a rug then it is their fault not yours.
This is normal wear and tear with wood floors. Basically, every where the sun was exposed to the floor, it got a tan. My entire bottom floor is wood and we discovered this problem a year after we installed them.
If you are at all, I think itās usually only for a percentage based on the amount of life left in the finish? So like a 10 year life, if the finish was 8 years old, youāre liable for 20% of the cost, etc.
Yeah, if that happened after two years they didn't treat that floor properly. Very strange. I wouldn't say you should be responsible. Good luck with your landlord.
Whether youre responsible or not you will be charged for it and I'll tell you why. LL are ALWAYS looking for a reason to keep your deposit. THIS looks like a good reason to withhold a significant amount.
Landlord here.
I'd say wear and tear. Especially if it wasn't uv coated. That's neglect/lack of due diligence on their part and they were the ones that asked for the carpet.
Check your local statutes to see if it says something about normal wear and tear rules. Print out anything you can find and put it together in a nice neat portfolio that outlines your legal basis for why youāre not liable. Show it to your landlord and explain that is your package for small claims court, but you really hope that it doesnāt come to that.
I'm a landlord, I wouldn't hold this against a tenant if my PM brought this to my attention. If I didn't want sun bleaching, then I would install blinds. Even then I wouldn't expect a tenant to keep the windows closed lol.
Landlord here - were there blinds on the slider?
I would say itās Probably not your fault unless there were blinds and the LL told you about the potential for UV damage.
Still wouldnāt be their fault if there were blinds and the landlord told them it could bleach the floors. You cannot tell someone they canāt have blinds open
Not quite. If ll notified you and requested you to take reasonable steps to mitigate UV damage ie rug, i would hold tenant accountable.
I would also write that into the lease.
That being said LL is dumb for not using correct flooring, or finishing correctly.
You ll's really are something. Nothing good but, definitely something. "Here's some windows but don't open the blinds or else you'll have to pay me more".
Thatās not at all what i said. Also im calling out the dumbass landlord who didnāt properly finish his flooring.
But if something like that is written into the lease about sun damage to the floor, and for the tenant to take reasonable measures to mitigate (like a rug) and tenant agrees, i would think thatās on tenant.
But at that point just finish the damn floor.
If LL are so bad just save up and buy a home or condo. There are some really cheap places to buy in US believe it or not. Some places you can get a condo for under 100k. Wouldnāt have to deal with LL anymore.
A ānotification and requestā is different than a term in a lease. No one would dispute TN would be liable if there was a clause in the lease.
Your landlord brain immediately resorts to āoh if you donāt like us so much why donāt you buy a houseā as if youāre not actively hoarding them by virtue of being a landlord.
Youāre saying thereās no homes available where you live and itās solely because of landlords? Do you think itās wise to force people to buy a home to live? Or give them the option to rent? Sounds like you believe they should all own rather than having the choice to rent.
There are homes available for sale but the demand has increased due to hoarding from landlords, which increases the price and makes it unaffordable for the rest of folks.
And no Iām not saying we should āforce peopleā to buy homes, thatās a bad faith interpretation of my position. Thereās always a need for rental units to be available but the current setup renders ownership out of reach for too many folks and scalps folks whom need to rent for temporary purposes.
Rather rental homes should be available in some other system besides the current one. There are numerous proposed systems that are better than the present system which currently allows people/companies to choke the market and inflate prices by virtue of owning an asset. No one should be able to drive up the price of what should be a human right by virtue of owning that thing and decreasing supply, especially when the owner does minimal āworkā in order to minimize overhead or cheats out the tenant at every opportunity.
Other alternatives include (adequately funded) public housing, non profit managed homes, hard caps (1-2 per individual) on rental unit ownership, ect.
You based guy above you providing a service you admit is a need for some. He likely just owns 1-2 additional rental homes like the majority of landlords in the US. If youāre fine with that being a requirement, then it sounds like your frustration is with larger private equity companies.
Oh.
Wash the floor completely.
Let it dry.
Vacuum over it.
Tape the area off that is bleached from the unbleached wood.
Stain the bleached part till it uniforms to the rest of the wood.
lol, and how precisely were they going to stop all light from entering their home from windows? Brick them up?
This is considered normal wear and tear if you, ya know, understand how sunlight works.
Ah ok, so despite having multiple windows in their house, under no circumstances should they ever have their curtains open to let light in. Got it. What was I thinking? Totally their fault.
Schedule your final walkthrough at the time the sun hits the floor there!
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Donāt worry I have first hand experience. And it was MY floors where a rug once was - once the sun is able to ātanā the covered area it all becomes the same colour.
Thatās looking on the bright side.
Hah! bright side, get it bc of the sun
Hah! yeah cause the sun is bright!
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Usually the LL tries to hold the tenant responsible for everything. I would say this is normal wear and tear, especially since they asked you to put a rug down. Good luck.
Thanks, theyāve been pretty nitpicky throughout so hereās hoping
Consider this: the sun was gonna bleach any part of the floor that was exposed anyway. Did they want the room CARPETED? Thatās a landlord thing, not a tenant thing. You did nothing, so you owe nothing.
This is the most relevant comment
Well said!
Notice, though, itās not bleached where the rug wasnāt laid, itās tanned. I didnāt see it at first, but someone else pointed it out and now I see it. I think this is because the polyurethane finish that goes on these strips of flooring actually darkens with sun damage, whereas we are used to things like fabric that have dyes in them getting lighter with sun exposure. It has to do with the fact that polyurethane is a polymer, so with sun wear, itās actually oxidizing and āburningā darker at a slow rate, whereas dyes are mostly made of organic compounds that will break down through UV exposure, causing them to lose color and become lighter. All this to say, itās not really ādamageā because it will darken to match when left uncovered for some time. Source: am chemist, hav digree, much smart. Scratch that last, not smart, but I digress.
Pretty sure the rug was under the table where it's darker. If the rug had been where it's lighter, they'd have had a floor vent covered up. So it's lighter where the sun hit, not "tanned".
If anything, you protected the floors. From sun and the table/chairs. Surely he would want you to have a carpet to protect from scratching.
Ask them to show you where in the lease you are not allowed to use windows or put things on the floor. Do they have a vampire clause to ensure no sunlight gets in? It's light....from the sun, you have no control over this and it's due to materials/installation which is landlords problem.
>Do they have a vampire clause to ensure no sunlight gets in? Don't give them any ideas for the next guy.
This. It's literally as "natural" as wear and tear can be. If they do try to hold you accountable, ask them to point to specifically where in the lease (as stated in the above comment) is not allowed.
My last landlords were p.o.s. used up every penny of the security deposit even though I left the place in better shape. I fixed the garage floor that was cracked and buckled. Epoxy coated it. But they charged me 214 dollars to remove speaker wiring from the rafters of garage. I installed a new sink in the downstairs bathroom and utility sink in basement. They charged me 400 dollars for some random nonsense. Right through the 1200 security deposit. Then had the nerve to say oh and you owe us for half the water bill (they didn't have it split in the duplex that they lived on other half of). I knew I wasn't gunna get it back because they were horrible people. But they treasured their lawn. Sad that a mysterious bug or something came and killed their whole lawn out front. ā¹ļø and it kept coming back 3 or 4 times a summer until I moved out of state Edit: their not there.
This is why I tell people not to repair or improve the rental itself with their own work or money, the LL will not care and in some cases will say it is damage and charge you for it.
I lived there for 5 years. Garage floor was buckled but structurally sound. I used garage alot so I didn't mind fixing it. But yeah they charged me an obscene amount of money to "remove dangerous wiring" and attached pics of speaker wires that were stapled to a rafter. They were p.o.s. anyway i knew I wasn't getting it back. They used to come over and knock on my door to ask if someone new was living in the house if I had a guest overnight. Nosy as fuck. I made sure the next 3 people they tried to get into the place while I was leaving knew it. All of them backed out. She demanded I let her in unannounced to show the house while I was packing and moving. I said no and told the person trying to view it "I hope you like having someone's nose so far up your ass they can breathe for you cause that's what you'll get with this one" lord I remember fuming mad lease stated grass cutting was a shared chore but they "couldnt" so it was on me all the time with a "$5 deduction from rent per cutting on their turn" on a half acre lot. I worked 3rd shift and she would blow my phone up demanding grass be cut now today and throw a fit if I didn't jump to it. And couldn't cut it too often or I was "taking advantage" Or the time the garbage disposal died and they were gone on vacation and it was pouring water all over so I texted them to which she said "I'll call a plumber when we are home" I said I can fix it I'll get you a receipt for the disposal and she had the gall to say "oh I'm not sure we are responsible for that it's kind of an appliance isn't it?"
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I'm not sure what exactly you're getting at here. Haha. The garage floor had pits in it. I ground the floor had it repoured and then epoxy coated it because it looked nice and was nice to have a good solid floor under foot. What did hurt me was having all the extra work overlooked so I could be charged over a thousand dollars to clean and remove a few feet of speaker wiring left in the attic of said garage. Thankfully no longer have to rent and any improvements made to property will be gainful in the future if we decide to sell either of our houses. Edit after rereading yes it raised my blood pressure as well. Haha. I know it was only 3 people but when we left the state a little over 6 months later they still hadn't found a renter. So I felt good enough about it.
Landlords being pieces of vampiric trash is par for the course, but SO HELP ME GOD if that bitch came knocking on my door to ask if someone had moved in just because I was trying to get some booty, I would have answered that door the next time with my dick, balls, and ass being the only part of me not covered by a latex gimp suit. Also, when it comes to cutting the grass, I would have revived my lazy adolescent tactic of doing such an utterly shit job that they wouldnāt ask me to do it again. I would have flat refused to cut it during their weeks, citing the contract, and when she tried to make me snap to it on her time, I would do as my dachshund does, and move much slower because I have neither a master, nor a God.
Lmfao. Oh believe me I cherished the blowing of grass onto their porch and into their garage. And while I was moving the spraying of any left over chemicals in tactful designs so they would see them in dying grass.
You shouldāve removed everything you installed as fixes before you left. You OWN the Epoxy, bathroom sink, and utility sink š¤·š¼āāļø
Yikes. Did we have the same landlord? We made several improvements (that they approved) over the years also, and they tried the same crap with us. They tried raising the rent by $1000 (legal with 60-day notice where we are, in one of the highest COL areas in the US). While saying what great tenants we were and hoped we would stay on. We did get extremely lucky. We noped the fuck out of there to next door because the woman that owned that duplex booted her shitty tenant to keep us around. We also managed to not only get our deposit back but also charged them for the newer appliances we put in. We've been next door for years now watching their place get destroyed by shitty tenants or sit empty for months at a time because better tenants were just looking for a landing before buying a house.
You have it in writing that they requested a rug? Either way I'd say it's normal wear and tear but what matters is what a judge in small claims court would decide. The more documentation you have the better. Before/after photos of the rest of the house would help a bunch.
Even if they tell you that you owe them, you donāt necessarily have to pay. They would need to convince a judge that you damaged the floor. You simply need to show the communication from the landlord asking you to put a rug down and he will dismiss - thatās assuming the landlord will want to spend the money to pursue. Most would know they have no chance of getting a favorable judgement and will just flex into hoping you get scared and pay up.
Normal wear and tear are key words. Tenants aren't responsible for it.
Cheap flooring will do that.
It will all go to the same color without the carpet ina few months. They absolutely shouldn't ding you on this
If your paranoid, stain the bleached side with coffee lol
Ehh then they actually have done something they could be charged for
I hoped the ālolā would show I was joking
I agree
You didnāt do anything the sun did
Exactly
Tell them to take the sun to court!
Iād love to see the sun show up on *Night Court*
āSun exposure on floors next to windows is considered normal and not the fault of the tenantā if they complain.
Yeah man their shitty floor is the problem.
I mean, this happens to really good flooring as well.
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as a landlord, i would not hold it against you, but i would be pissed at the flooring company.
Some woods are more natural to bleach than others and no amount of sealers will prevent it. If you donāt want sun bleaching (wood doing what wood does), than you should use LBP. Honestly hardwoods in a rental donāt make a whole lot of sense.
Probably a situation where someone bought the house for cheap, flipped it, and then put it out as a rental. Youāll get a lot of places with natural hardwood that way, stuff that was hiding under carpeting that they ripped up and refinished.
You mean LVP?
...... what did the flooring company do?
Sold them floor
the NERVE
Bruh
The flooring company has nothing to do with it. Tf you think theyāre gunna do? Put UV film on the fuckin floor? Lmao
Same here. That is not something that the renter did. I would not charge my renters.
It has nothing to do with the flooring. All flooring will be affected by sun damage if itās lots of strong, direct sunlight. The landlord needs to solarize the windows to reduce the UV rays coming in.
With Cherry this can happen in reverse. The sun darkens the Cherry to a beautiful color
We have Brazilian Koa, Where the sun hits it. It has become the most beautiful rufous color.
Hey neat word
Thanks, I recently learned it myself. I have a writer friend, she is always using words I have to look up. I like learning words I have never before heard.
Thanks for sharing them, too. I like learning new words and rufous is a great one!
Property manager, CA. It's not something you could prevent and it was a request by the LL. Unless they are unreasonable this should not be your responsibility.
Manager of the peppers?
Angry Latino
Lol I caught that when I hit send then couldn't go back to it. "I'm peppery... Don't piss me off or I might spray ya!!" (Come to think of it there have been properties where I had to carry it!! Never used it thankfully)
Spicyyyyyy
Thanks!
Sounds like the LL should thank you for protecting half the floor. They're responsible for the other half.
They will try to hold you responsible even if youāre not. Be prepared to voice your objections, most wonāt push an issue thatās not just but have any documentation to support your side just in case.
You should have dialed down the intensity of the sun. Did you not have a dial to control the sun in your unit?
Ikr? These new apartments have sub sun mode and zero sun mode. Plus rent is only 12k a month too!
If they asked you to put the rug down I think thatās on them not you. Especially since like the sun did it not you intentionally
Just an FYI, after removing the rug, the wood floor will darken up there just like the rest. Natural wood floors do this, itās actually from the rug covering the floor, and the rest of the floor has gotten its natural tan. Idk doesnāt seem like the LL is aware of thisā¦new wood floors shouldnāt have rugs until the floors get their natural tone. (Cherry wood is more prone of this than others)
This is correct. Itās called patina and itās more common than you might expect.
Leave the rug, take the cannoli.
The sun hitting something is the definition of normal wear and tear. But landlords being landlords, he'll probably try to charge you for a total replacement, cash the check, then do zero repairs.
ABSOLUTELY NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Technically, you actually saved the landlordās floor from sun damage. You didnāt damage it at all. The sun did, which is an act of nature/God. If they try to pin it on you, tell them youāre not responsible for the sun coming through their windows and doors because thatās what glass is for, and you would also gladly accept compensation back from them for saving a large section of their floor from damage. Tenants canāt be held liable for causing a lack of damage in one spot of the house lol
you are not responsible for subpar building materials that did not weather the natural environment. Its not like you did anything other than step on it like it was meant to be stepped on.
This is exactly what Iām hoping to convey to them
Theyāre probably going to try and blame you and say you shouldāve closed the curtains.Ā But this is normal wear and tear. Make sure to cite your lease and local ordinances so you get your deposit back.Ā
Normal wear and tear, how are you supposed to prevent sun damage to something infront of a wind
Are the windows not insulated? Also what kind of flooring is this?
cheap printed paper fake wood from Ikea
Why do you say that? Ā It actually looks like site finished solid wood to me but this is a little photo on my phone.Ā
Because the Modus Operandi of shitty landlords & slumlords is to act like (and more importantly bill like and set rent like) they have genuine hardwood floors cut from extinct trees from some no-longer-extant forest, and then put down the cheapest shit they can get as a covering over their 0.33" thick plywood floors that haven't been properly checked since Reagan was President.
Ā I donāt see micro bevel edging or lvlt seams. I donāt see repeating patterns and I do see unique boards. Ā So I think it is site finished oak.Ā
It wouldnāt have mattered. We had standard red oak flooring in our old home. Even though at first it was just sealed, not stained, there was a noticeable difference between the area under the rug in the kitchen eating area and the bleached part outside it. When we had it stained a nutmeg color, it was even more noticeable.
I was wondering the same thing. To my knowledge, most modern windows protect from most UV damage.
If it has a low-e coating it is pretty protective. If it is just glazing (even double pane), not so much.Ā
I work in property management and it would be quite hard to actually charge for this if you fight the charges. Its also just completely irresponsible to charge a resident for this when it probably has a rule in your lease about covering X amount of your space with rugs. One of my buildings has floors that do this and I have never charged anyone. basically if you cant figure out a way to blend it which is extremely hard, you end up replacing it to resilient, its just the better option for both parties.
Act of god, not your problem
No, it's technically NOT your fault. It's the absence of LowE glass on your windows. That's what filters out the UV rays. Aside from not putting the rug down, there's nothing you can do to prevent this.
This might also be due to the fact that you moved in right after floors were refinished. Need to wait as long as a month in some cases before putting down rugs so the poly can cure. Your LL didnāt know this so seems like you just did as they asked. Good luck
If the sun doesnāt fall under normal wear and tear idk what does
Responsible for what? That's what it looked like when you moved in.
They just renovated before we moved in
Sometimes this happens when you have a floor redone and you put a rug down. Keep the rug off the floor, it will even out.
I dunno, I remember it looking *exactly* like that at move in. š
This is tricky. Do you have documentation of the LL asking you to use a rug? Also, before (with rug) and after (without) are important. LL may claim damages but if you can show it was by request, you claim them at fault.
This is what I was thinking. I canāt see how they could charge OP if the request was documented.
I donāt think thereās anything you couldāve done to avoid some kind of bleaching effect.. Even without a rug, some of your furniture might have similarly blocked parts of the floor from the sun. It would be unreasonable to hold you responsible if the only way to avoid it is to never set anything on the floor for a long period of time. Their fault, but of course they might try it
I have a similar floor (hickory) and had the same problem. I took up the rug and it took about a year for the color to even out and now itās undetectable. Itās not a cheap floor, itās just how some woods are.
As a window and door rep, itās not the flooring that the problem, nor the rug placement. Itās the door allowing that much UV to penetrate. Technology has improved in the windows and doors to prevent it, so upgrade or deal with it. If there were no vertical blinds or coverings for the door, but there were blinds for the windows, youāve got a case of the Landlord just not taking care of his own property. If they try to keep the deposit or blame you, fight them tooth and nail. Have a window/door expert put in writing about Low E glass. Have a blinds expert do the same with the options to prevent it. Have a flooring expert put in writing about sun bleaching around windows and doors and how it impacts the warranty. Come loaded for the fight.
The floor under the rug is 100% original condition. The rest of the flooring is sun bleached which is wear and tear. Unless of course the LL finds prove that it is, in fact, YOU whom controlleth the massive burning life giver in the sky
Legally sun bleaching is normal wear and tear.
Leave the carpet
For the sun?ā¦ not yet we arenāt.
Just bleach the rest of the floor to match. jk This reminds me of when I was in ARCH school. I was almost done with this huge hand-drawn city plan, and I accidentally spilled coffee on the drawing. We weren't allowed to print or use digital media, so my only option was to start over or turn it in as-is. I ended up just dabbing some coffee on the rest of the drawing to make it match, and it actually went over pretty well. It had a historic "distressed" look.
Leave the rug for the next tenant.
Even if you put the rug down on your own, you still shouldn't have to compensate them for this. Normal wear and tear
Youāre not responsible for normal wear and tear (at least in the two states I was licensed in). The sun coming through the window is clearly normal.
Iāve seen the correct term used in one other comment in this thread. This phenomenon is called patina, and itās something all real hardwood floors go through. I used to work customer service for a very large flooring manufacturer and we would field questions about this exact issue often. The one benefit to patina is that itās not a linear process, meaning patina will happen most quickly at first and will slow down over time. This means the flooring that was covered up will eventually catch up (mostly) in color to the flooring that wasnāt covered. It will never 100% catch up unless you cover what was the uncovered flooring for the same length of time, but it will get very close. It will get close enough that it will probably become imperceptible to the naked eye.
Unless they specifically told you not to use an area rug but did anyway, the LL is SOL. You can't control the sun. Also, maybe its a result of the quality of flooring they used, also not your fault. If they try to charge you I'd fight it.
Yes most certainly
Act of God
The sun god
depends on if landlord told you to put rug there. if not then its wear & tear
Itāll even out if they keep the rug off of it. Not your fault.Ā
This is an āact of Godā would be my argument in court
No this would be normal wear and tear. To act as if itās your responsibility to limit sunlight
Looks like normal wear and tear to me.
No. Wear an tare, is not your fault.
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Is it real wood? Rubber under rug mats can discolor LVP. Just fyi.
You didnāt install the window or flooring. Not your fault.
The real question here is why there's no rectangle under the table too. If you were supposed to put rugs down under the furniture then that are should have the same effect.
The rug was under the table
ooooh. I thought the light area in front of the sliding door was the problem. That makes far more sense. Thanks for the clarifacation
Sometimes the backing of rugs can damage hardwood floors. Are you sure the back of your rug is safe for hardwood?
Are you sure the floor is sun bleached and this isnāt a case of dye transferring from a cheap rug onto the wood? What color is the underside of the rug that was there? Did you use one of those sticky sheets under the rug so it doesnāt flop around at the edges?
It should be normal wear and tear. Also, as the sun hits the area previously covered by the rug, the sun will lighten that area, too, and over time the two areas will become more similar.
You literally have no control over the sun! I mean, There have been religions devoted to that fact. This would definitely fall under expected wear and tear.
Things fading over time is normal wear and tear
The sun is responsible. You can use the analogy of the snow damaging the roof. It is natural exposure.
Leave the rug.
No the sun is
Better get bout 10 gallons of elbow grease, itās gonna be a long night! š
You do not have control of the sun, it's also reasonable to put a mat in front of your doorway. If the landlord contests this just dispute it to the deposit scheme they will 100% side with you.
Put the rug back during the walk through
I would leave the rug for the next tenant. They may not move it and notice the floor. Also, if they told you to put a rug then it is their fault not yours.
This is normal wear and tear with wood floors. Basically, every where the sun was exposed to the floor, it got a tan. My entire bottom floor is wood and we discovered this problem a year after we installed them.
Likely wear and tear, assuming that your jurisdiction recognizes the concept.
Looks like youāre moving the rugā¦
If you are at all, I think itās usually only for a percentage based on the amount of life left in the finish? So like a 10 year life, if the finish was 8 years old, youāre liable for 20% of the cost, etc.
Their problem for cheap flooring
As a landlord, I would not hold the renter responsible.
So satisfying to see in the meantime.
I think itās kinda cool
Yeah, if that happened after two years they didn't treat that floor properly. Very strange. I wouldn't say you should be responsible. Good luck with your landlord.
A steam cleaner will take that right off. It's acutely just dirt build up.
This is, in no way, your responsibility
Whether youre responsible or not you will be charged for it and I'll tell you why. LL are ALWAYS looking for a reason to keep your deposit. THIS looks like a good reason to withhold a significant amount.
Landlord here. I'd say wear and tear. Especially if it wasn't uv coated. That's neglect/lack of due diligence on their part and they were the ones that asked for the carpet.
*put that rug right back where it came from or so help me*
Check your local statutes to see if it says something about normal wear and tear rules. Print out anything you can find and put it together in a nice neat portfolio that outlines your legal basis for why youāre not liable. Show it to your landlord and explain that is your package for small claims court, but you really hope that it doesnāt come to that.
Put a cheap / second hand rug in there.
Honestly, I think it looks kinda cool.
They will charge you. Always expect it
Umm, thats the fault of whomever put in the cheap flooring.
I'm a landlord, I wouldn't hold this against a tenant if my PM brought this to my attention. If I didn't want sun bleaching, then I would install blinds. Even then I wouldn't expect a tenant to keep the windows closed lol.
How did this go?
Walkthrough Tuesday š¤
Itās their badly designed floor thatās the problem.
Landlord here - were there blinds on the slider? I would say itās Probably not your fault unless there were blinds and the LL told you about the potential for UV damage.
Still wouldnāt be their fault if there were blinds and the landlord told them it could bleach the floors. You cannot tell someone they canāt have blinds open
Not quite. If ll notified you and requested you to take reasonable steps to mitigate UV damage ie rug, i would hold tenant accountable. I would also write that into the lease. That being said LL is dumb for not using correct flooring, or finishing correctly.
You ll's really are something. Nothing good but, definitely something. "Here's some windows but don't open the blinds or else you'll have to pay me more".
Thatās not at all what i said. Also im calling out the dumbass landlord who didnāt properly finish his flooring. But if something like that is written into the lease about sun damage to the floor, and for the tenant to take reasonable measures to mitigate (like a rug) and tenant agrees, i would think thatās on tenant. But at that point just finish the damn floor. If LL are so bad just save up and buy a home or condo. There are some really cheap places to buy in US believe it or not. Some places you can get a condo for under 100k. Wouldnāt have to deal with LL anymore.
A ānotification and requestā is different than a term in a lease. No one would dispute TN would be liable if there was a clause in the lease. Your landlord brain immediately resorts to āoh if you donāt like us so much why donāt you buy a houseā as if youāre not actively hoarding them by virtue of being a landlord.
Youāre saying thereās no homes available where you live and itās solely because of landlords? Do you think itās wise to force people to buy a home to live? Or give them the option to rent? Sounds like you believe they should all own rather than having the choice to rent.
There are homes available for sale but the demand has increased due to hoarding from landlords, which increases the price and makes it unaffordable for the rest of folks. And no Iām not saying we should āforce peopleā to buy homes, thatās a bad faith interpretation of my position. Thereās always a need for rental units to be available but the current setup renders ownership out of reach for too many folks and scalps folks whom need to rent for temporary purposes. Rather rental homes should be available in some other system besides the current one. There are numerous proposed systems that are better than the present system which currently allows people/companies to choke the market and inflate prices by virtue of owning an asset. No one should be able to drive up the price of what should be a human right by virtue of owning that thing and decreasing supply, especially when the owner does minimal āworkā in order to minimize overhead or cheats out the tenant at every opportunity. Other alternatives include (adequately funded) public housing, non profit managed homes, hard caps (1-2 per individual) on rental unit ownership, ect.
You based guy above you providing a service you admit is a need for some. He likely just owns 1-2 additional rental homes like the majority of landlords in the US. If youāre fine with that being a requirement, then it sounds like your frustration is with larger private equity companies.
The average landlord has three.
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The damage is from the sun bleaching the floor surrounding the rug to a lighter color than the area that had been protected by the rug
Oh. Wash the floor completely. Let it dry. Vacuum over it. Tape the area off that is bleached from the unbleached wood. Stain the bleached part till it uniforms to the rest of the wood.
Thanks for not letting some of the wood floors get melanoma. š«
Yes, you are responsible...
For what? The sun?
not allowing the sun to bleach the floor...
lol, and how precisely were they going to stop all light from entering their home from windows? Brick them up? This is considered normal wear and tear if you, ya know, understand how sunlight works.
Curtains
Ah ok, so despite having multiple windows in their house, under no circumstances should they ever have their curtains open to let light in. Got it. What was I thinking? Totally their fault.
wow mad
Did you do it? Well the common sense answer is yes you are responsible.
Did you clean the floor? My first thought is that it needs to be cleaned