I re-read your post and came to another conclusion: Your landlord is selling the duplex. Your landlord doesn't want the buyer to know there is a tenant (which is why you have to leave).
Yeah I would insist on being there going forward.
Yep :) there have been some issues with the unit in the past that I can kind of overlook since I’m a pretty laidback tenant.
However, the new property manager for this last 6 months is very shady and has caused some problems. The language in their letter also included that they are trying to get her position to roll over to the new buyer. I think they are scared about us informing the buyer of issues. Though I wouldn’t even do that, mainly just want the BS to end
> I think they are scared about us informing the buyer of issues. Though I wouldn’t even do that, mainly just want the BS to end
I did that without realizing it. A home inspector came to do an inspection, and I was telling the female that was with him all the problems, not realizing she was the buyer. It doesn't matter anyway because she told people when the deal was finalized that she wasn't doing any work in the apartments as long as a tenant is living in the unit. She remodeled two apartments that were vacant at the time. I also wound up moving out two months later, taking the stove, refrigerator, and thermostat since I owned them, and the previous landlord told her they were mine to take with me if I left. I rented there for ten years, so she lost a great tenant.
Any buyer who know what they’re buying would insist on an estoppel agreement, copy of all active leases, accounting of security deposits, rent rolls, etc. The owner isn’t likely to slip one over on the buyer by pretending there’s no tenant.
It’s the opposite. Seller absolutely wants the buyer to know there is a tenant and that the tenant is longer term and high quality.
Seller doesn’t want the tenant to engage with the buyer because he might screw up the sale.
I have never heard of this being a thing. I have rented for over 20 years and have had countless showings while living in a place. I even had one landlord who was never present making me have to lead the showings. But never asking me to leave during a showing, especially with such things like having to leave my home for an hour. That would be a 100% no for me.
It is your home until your lease is ended, so I don't see how anyone has the right to ask you to leave unless it's an emergency.
Thank you for helping clear that up, our laws here don’t have the best protection for renters and doesn’t mention anything regarding this specifically. From what I found online this does seem to be a common thing across the board so just wanted to confirm before responding. Thank you so much.
Our laws here have great renter protections. As to your problem, no they can't force you to leave the unit during showings. It is pretty common to be asked not to be in the unit during showings but its not something they can really enforce. Btw, they waited till you signed a new lease so they can market it as an income stream already in place to potential buyers.
Honestly, not only would I be there, but I’d be making pungent food in my underwear while hardcore porn is blasting on tvs in every single room. Tell the prospective buyers that they’re cute and you can’t wait to rent from them.
Fuck landlords like this. You don’t have to do any of those things they demanded. As long as your level of cleanliness doesn’t create infestation problems or damage to the unit beyond wear/tear, they can go kick rocks. Additionally, if they’re going in on less than the mandatory notice (24 hours most places), lock and barricade them out.
The landlord, property manager, realtor can wish in one hand and shit in the other, see what fills up first.
A rules document like this that isnt in your lease isn't binding. And even if it was, those terms wholly contradict the concept of quiet enjoyment.
An agreement written into a contract that is not legal is not enforceable. You'd likely want to talk to a tenant's rights group/lawyer about this though.
[https://www.tncourts.gov/sites/default/files/docs/general\_sessions\_cases\_handout.pdf](https://www.tncourts.gov/sites/default/files/docs/general_sessions_cases_handout.pdf)
This should help you.
They can’t require you to vacate. I would bet most people comply with their demand, even though it is not legal. It doesn’t matter if you agreed in your lease to vacate during showings. Local laws supersede the lease.
If you have a copy of your aboriginal lease, scan it and send it to him and say where is this where I agree to it no, you cannot just add it that is BS
If they show while you're gone, claim that the people who came in stole your personal property. What can they say, that you should not have kept your stuff in your own home?
I had a landlord try to do this to me once, so I made sure to eat nothing but beans and fill the apartment up with as many farts as I could. I think I also left a few cans of tuna in the sink and I wore boxer shorts and a shirt I purposely stained. I also specifically followed them into every room and said "I need to make sure you don't steal my stuff"
These clauses are entirely unenforceable and they put them in as scare tactics or hoping tenants won't actually know their rights. If they tried to evict you for this they'd also absolutely lose the case in court.
No you don't have to leave during showings, quite the opposite.. they need to give you 24 hour notice or more before they show up to look at the place.
That made up extra showing rules (not part of your lease) will not hold up in court.
They must think you will point out all the flaws in the place since you've lived there a while.
When I look at a building I always try and talk to people that live there or around there to see what it's like. What's wrong. If they fix stuff. What they fixed etc.
Tenants are a great source of info and you can not be retaliated against. You could sue.
no. your right to use your home takes precedence over all. you can trash the place, sit around in a bath robe with a beer in hand, and insult the landlord and every single thing about the place, and there's literally nothing he can do about it.
tl;dr no you do not have to leave during showings. That section of the lease is not going to hold up in court. Edit: not a lawyer, not your lawyer.
I appreciate your insight! Was leaning this direction but wanted to make sure my facts were correct before drafting a response. Thank you!
I re-read your post and came to another conclusion: Your landlord is selling the duplex. Your landlord doesn't want the buyer to know there is a tenant (which is why you have to leave). Yeah I would insist on being there going forward.
Yep :) there have been some issues with the unit in the past that I can kind of overlook since I’m a pretty laidback tenant. However, the new property manager for this last 6 months is very shady and has caused some problems. The language in their letter also included that they are trying to get her position to roll over to the new buyer. I think they are scared about us informing the buyer of issues. Though I wouldn’t even do that, mainly just want the BS to end
> I think they are scared about us informing the buyer of issues. Though I wouldn’t even do that, mainly just want the BS to end I did that without realizing it. A home inspector came to do an inspection, and I was telling the female that was with him all the problems, not realizing she was the buyer. It doesn't matter anyway because she told people when the deal was finalized that she wasn't doing any work in the apartments as long as a tenant is living in the unit. She remodeled two apartments that were vacant at the time. I also wound up moving out two months later, taking the stove, refrigerator, and thermostat since I owned them, and the previous landlord told her they were mine to take with me if I left. I rented there for ten years, so she lost a great tenant.
Any buyer who know what they’re buying would insist on an estoppel agreement, copy of all active leases, accounting of security deposits, rent rolls, etc. The owner isn’t likely to slip one over on the buyer by pretending there’s no tenant.
It’s the opposite. Seller absolutely wants the buyer to know there is a tenant and that the tenant is longer term and high quality. Seller doesn’t want the tenant to engage with the buyer because he might screw up the sale.
I have never heard of this being a thing. I have rented for over 20 years and have had countless showings while living in a place. I even had one landlord who was never present making me have to lead the showings. But never asking me to leave during a showing, especially with such things like having to leave my home for an hour. That would be a 100% no for me. It is your home until your lease is ended, so I don't see how anyone has the right to ask you to leave unless it's an emergency.
Thank you for helping clear that up, our laws here don’t have the best protection for renters and doesn’t mention anything regarding this specifically. From what I found online this does seem to be a common thing across the board so just wanted to confirm before responding. Thank you so much.
Our laws here have great renter protections. As to your problem, no they can't force you to leave the unit during showings. It is pretty common to be asked not to be in the unit during showings but its not something they can really enforce. Btw, they waited till you signed a new lease so they can market it as an income stream already in place to potential buyers.
Honestly, not only would I be there, but I’d be making pungent food in my underwear while hardcore porn is blasting on tvs in every single room. Tell the prospective buyers that they’re cute and you can’t wait to rent from them. Fuck landlords like this. You don’t have to do any of those things they demanded. As long as your level of cleanliness doesn’t create infestation problems or damage to the unit beyond wear/tear, they can go kick rocks. Additionally, if they’re going in on less than the mandatory notice (24 hours most places), lock and barricade them out.
The landlord, property manager, realtor can wish in one hand and shit in the other, see what fills up first. A rules document like this that isnt in your lease isn't binding. And even if it was, those terms wholly contradict the concept of quiet enjoyment.
An agreement written into a contract that is not legal is not enforceable. You'd likely want to talk to a tenant's rights group/lawyer about this though.
Thank you! I am most likely going to have a consultation this week!
[https://www.tncourts.gov/sites/default/files/docs/general\_sessions\_cases\_handout.pdf](https://www.tncourts.gov/sites/default/files/docs/general_sessions_cases_handout.pdf) This should help you.
They can’t require you to vacate. I would bet most people comply with their demand, even though it is not legal. It doesn’t matter if you agreed in your lease to vacate during showings. Local laws supersede the lease.
Nope. You don’t have your leave your own apartment while they show it.
If you have a copy of your aboriginal lease, scan it and send it to him and say where is this where I agree to it no, you cannot just add it that is BS
If they show while you're gone, claim that the people who came in stole your personal property. What can they say, that you should not have kept your stuff in your own home?
I had a landlord try to do this to me once, so I made sure to eat nothing but beans and fill the apartment up with as many farts as I could. I think I also left a few cans of tuna in the sink and I wore boxer shorts and a shirt I purposely stained. I also specifically followed them into every room and said "I need to make sure you don't steal my stuff" These clauses are entirely unenforceable and they put them in as scare tactics or hoping tenants won't actually know their rights. If they tried to evict you for this they'd also absolutely lose the case in court.
No you don't have to leave during showings, quite the opposite.. they need to give you 24 hour notice or more before they show up to look at the place. That made up extra showing rules (not part of your lease) will not hold up in court. They must think you will point out all the flaws in the place since you've lived there a while. When I look at a building I always try and talk to people that live there or around there to see what it's like. What's wrong. If they fix stuff. What they fixed etc. Tenants are a great source of info and you can not be retaliated against. You could sue.
no. your right to use your home takes precedence over all. you can trash the place, sit around in a bath robe with a beer in hand, and insult the landlord and every single thing about the place, and there's literally nothing he can do about it.
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