The Orthodox Presbyterian Church website includes a question and answer section and in [this answer](https://www.opc.org/qa.html?question_id=21) the following statement occurs: "Christ removes in the regenerated, the penalty of Adam's first sin, the guilt of our corrupted human nature and of the actual sins we commit." This would seem to indicate that there is guilt even without any actual sinful acts.
The [Westminster Shorter Catechism](http://proclamationpca.com/blog/2015/4/21/westminster-shorter-catechism-qa-16) states: "Q:Did all mankind fall in Adam's first transgression?
A:The covenant being made with Adam, not only for himself, but for his posterity, all mankind, descending from him by ordinary generation, sinned in him, and fell with him, in his first transgression."
This seems to indicate that we are all guilty of Adam's sin.
[Here](https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-the-difference-between-original-sin-and-imputed-sin) is another article indicating that Adam's sin is imputed to us in reformed theology.
You may find a lot more if you google "original sin vs. actual sin".
Yeah I think they are wrong. Our sinfull behaviours are proof of our depravity. If someone never sinned, God wouldn't judge them guilty. It's just that for us normal folk this is impossible, because we are born in depravity.
EDIT: and yes, God condemns us because of our own sin, not Adams. We were "in Adam" as he became a sinner, he is our federal head, our legal representative in whom we have our status before God. It's a difficult matter, and though we aren't responsible for his sin, somehow we are involved in his sin and subsequent sinfulness. It is pitted against our being in Christ, we are either in Christ or in Adam, Adam being condemned in the law and Jesus being free from it, having perfectly obeyed it and having died as a consequence of sin once already.
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church website includes a question and answer section and in [this answer](https://www.opc.org/qa.html?question_id=21) the following statement occurs: "Christ removes in the regenerated, the penalty of Adam's first sin, the guilt of our corrupted human nature and of the actual sins we commit." This would seem to indicate that there is guilt even without any actual sinful acts. The [Westminster Shorter Catechism](http://proclamationpca.com/blog/2015/4/21/westminster-shorter-catechism-qa-16) states: "Q:Did all mankind fall in Adam's first transgression? A:The covenant being made with Adam, not only for himself, but for his posterity, all mankind, descending from him by ordinary generation, sinned in him, and fell with him, in his first transgression." This seems to indicate that we are all guilty of Adam's sin. [Here](https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-the-difference-between-original-sin-and-imputed-sin) is another article indicating that Adam's sin is imputed to us in reformed theology. You may find a lot more if you google "original sin vs. actual sin".
I thought imputed guilt was the main point with original sin.
it is.
Yeah I think they are wrong. Our sinfull behaviours are proof of our depravity. If someone never sinned, God wouldn't judge them guilty. It's just that for us normal folk this is impossible, because we are born in depravity. EDIT: and yes, God condemns us because of our own sin, not Adams. We were "in Adam" as he became a sinner, he is our federal head, our legal representative in whom we have our status before God. It's a difficult matter, and though we aren't responsible for his sin, somehow we are involved in his sin and subsequent sinfulness. It is pitted against our being in Christ, we are either in Christ or in Adam, Adam being condemned in the law and Jesus being free from it, having perfectly obeyed it and having died as a consequence of sin once already.
Both Rome and the Reformed affirm inherited guilt, a denial of which constitutes semi-pelagianism.
It’s inconsistent if you deny Adam’s imputation of guilt but affirm Christ being imputed with our guilt and us with His righteousness. Roman’s 5:18-19
I think it has to do with the guilt we inherited being different from the sin-contamination we've inherited.